Mom's Retirement Visa Expires Soon

[kdc1899]

My mother is in Thailand on a retirement visa. She got a letter from the American Embassy verifying a monthly income. This is all she did. No large amount in the bank. She goes to Jomtien every 3 months and they stamp her passport.

Please

What will she have to do on August 28th?

[lopburi3]

August 28 being? End of current permitted to stay? She needs to take the Embassy letter of income over 65k per month, copies of her passport/visa pages and departure card, TM.7 with 4x6cm photo attached (probably two sets of everything if done in Jomtien) and pay 1,900 baht. Jomtien could have additional things so it is always recommended to make the extension 2-3 week early. You do not lose anything by doing so and have time to take care of any omissions.

[Lite Beer]

Yes. The same as she did last year.

[Jingthing]

Only ONE copy needed at Jomtien. Save a tree.

[haybilly]

August 28 being? End of current permitted to stay? She needs to take the Embassy letter of income over 65k per month, copies of her passport/visa pages and departure card, TM.7 with 4x6cm photo attached (probably two sets of everything if done in Jomtien) and pay 1,900 baht. Jomtien could have additional things so it is always recommended to make the extension 2-3 week early. You do not lose anything by doing so and have time to take care of any omissions.

Have they 'upped the ante'--so to speak--as I thought they required evidence of 40K per month?? I use the 800K in bank, but had thought of changing to income--I take it it's now 65K??

[dr_Pat_Pong]

40,000 baht a month income for a married visa. 800,000 in a bank in Thailand for retirement visa, or 65,000 baht a month income.

[Lite Beer]

Yes it has been 65k for a long time.

[kdc1899]

August 28 being? End of current permitted to stay? She needs to take the Embassy letter of income over 65k per month, copies of her passport/visa pages and departure card, TM.7 with 4x6cm photo attached (probably two sets of everything if done in Jomtien) and pay 1,900 baht. Jomtien could have additional things so it is always recommended to make the extension 2-3 week early. You do not lose anything by doing so and have time to take care of any omissions.

Yes. August 28th is the last day she is permitted to stay on her current retirement visa.

Does my mum have to go to the embassy again and get a new letter of income or can she use the one she got last year?

Thanks for the quick replys

[kdc1899]

Does my mum have to go to the embassy again and get a new letter of income or can she use the one she got last year?

Thanks in advance

[Lite Beer]

Most reports on here indicate that she has to get a new one every year.

[paddypower]

40,000 baht a month income for a married visa. 800,000 in a bank in Thailand for retirement visa, or 65,000 baht a month income.

May I ask you, for a Canadian, farang married couple, aged 62 and 66,

is there still the option available, of showing 1.6million, cash at bank, certified by bank plus evidence of that amount being in the account for at least 3 months prior to the retirement visa renewal date?

it used to be certificate of cash at bank, OR certificate of monthy/yearly income. what happens if you have the 1.6 million in the bank but you do not have 130,000 baht a month income? thanks, Paddy.

[Lite Beer]

40,000 baht a month income for a married visa. 800,000 in a bank in Thailand for retirement visa, or 65,000 baht a month income.

May I ask you, for a Canadian, farang married couple, aged 62 and 66,

is there still the option available, of showing 1.6million, cash at bank, certified by bank plus evidence of that amount being in the account for at least 3 months prior to the retirement visa renewal date?

it used to be certificate of cash at bank, OR certificate of monthy/yearly income. what happens if you have the 1.6 million in the bank but you do not have 130,000 baht a month income? thanks, Paddy.

The requirement for you 2 would be 800,000 Baht in a Thai bank OR 65,000 Baht a month income.

Only one of you need to meet the requirements. The other one "piggy backs" on the other spouses extension.

Edited July 31, 2008 by Lite Beer

[Jingthing]

Yes, and you can also use a COMBO method, for example if the pension is under 800K annually you can make up the diff with a Thai bank account, and BTW, that does NOT have to be seasoned if using the COMBO method.

[paddypower]

40,000 baht a month income for a married visa. 800,000 in a bank in Thailand for retirement visa, or 65,000 baht a month income.

May I ask you, for a Canadian, farang married couple, aged 62 and 66,

is there still the option available, of showing 1.6million, cash at bank, certified by bank plus evidence of that amount being in the account for at least 3 months prior to the retirement visa renewal date?

it used to be certificate of cash at bank, OR certificate of monthy/yearly income. what happens if you have the 1.6 million in the bank but you do not have 130,000 baht a month income? thanks, Paddy.

The requirement for you 2 would be 800,000 Baht in a Thai bank OR 65,000 Baht a month income.

Only one of you need to meet the requirements. The other one "piggy backs" on the other spouses extension.

Thanks very much. That was a lot faster than Phuket Immigration, where I have been waiting for an answer since May.

Coincidentally, there is a similar answer to yours, in today's issue of Phuket gazette - Issues and Answers.

You might think it strange, but after 10 years of being told by Immigration that we need 1.6 million, we will probably do our best to have a certioficate for that amount in our back pocket. Thanks, guys, Paddy.

PS and off topic; can you really trust any department headed by this official? who is quoted at:

[immigration Chief cracks down on unwanted foreigners

Full story:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Immigration-...ed-t202966.html

[abdulrahman]

PS and off topic; can you really trust any department headed by this official? who is quoted at:

[immigration Chief cracks down on unwanted foreigners

Full story:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Immigration-...ed-t202966.html

NO!

[ianh68h]

Yes, and you can also use a COMBO method, for example if the pension is under 800K annually you can make up the diff with a Thai bank account, and BTW, that does NOT have to be seasoned if using the COMBO method.

Can you elaborate a bit on this? I am on a retirement visa with a monthly pension of 60K paid into my Thai bank account. How much capital would I need to back this up? Would I need the capital residing in my (Thai) bank account for 3 months prior to applying for extension of stay?

Thanks

[Jingthing]

Yes, and you can also use a COMBO method, for example if the pension is under 800K annually you can make up the diff with a Thai bank account, and BTW, that does NOT have to be seasoned if using the COMBO method.

Can you elaborate a bit on this? I am on a retirement visa with a monthly pension of 60K paid into my Thai bank account. How much capital would I need to back this up? Would I need the capital residing in my (Thai) bank account for 3 months prior to applying for extension of stay?

Thanks

Sure, as far as I can.

-- that 60K pension does not need to be transferred to Thailand for immigration purposes at all; all you need(ed) is a letter from your embassy about it

-- 60K x 12 = 720K baht (BTW, I thought you needed to show a letter of 65K per month to get a visa based on pension alone) anyway that is 80K baht short, so also show a Thai bank account with 80K baht plus (which I suspect you have already been doing)

-- for people using the COMBO method, many reports here that seasoning of the bank account portion is not needed for first time or extensions

-- if you are changing your qualifying method, best to visit your office prior to make sure

-- if you in Nong Khai reports are you DO need to transfer in all the money to Thailand, even on a pension, unless that has changed there.

[Maestro]

...-- for people using the COMBO method, many reports here that seasoning of the bank account portion is not needed for first time or extensions...

For this combination method, the rules do not require any seasoning of the money in the account for any application, whether first or subsequent application.

I have seen no post saying that in such case any seasoning has been asked for by an immigration official.

--

Maestro

[Jingthing]

Just as I thought, thank you for the more authoritative confirmation.

[Gonsalviz]

40,000 baht a month income for a married visa. 800,000 in a bank in Thailand for retirement visa, or 65,000 baht a month income.

May I ask you, for a Canadian, farang married couple, aged 62 and 66,

is there still the option available, of showing 1.6million, cash at bank, certified by bank plus evidence of that amount being in the account for at least 3 months prior to the retirement visa renewal date?

it used to be certificate of cash at bank, OR certificate of monthy/yearly income. what happens if you have the 1.6 million in the bank but you do not have 130,000 baht a month income? thanks, Paddy.

The requirement for you 2 would be 800,000 Baht in a Thai bank OR 65,000 Baht a month income.

Only one of you need to meet the requirements. The other one "piggy backs" on the other spouses extension.

Thai_Retirement_Requirements.pdf

[Gonsalviz]

Thai_Retirement_Requirements.pdf According to the attachment I have provided the spouse of one on a retirement visa may indeed piggyback, but still is subject to O visa requirements and has to do 90 day visa runs.

[Maestro]

Gonsalviz, I believe you got a couple a things confused.

There is no piggy-backing when applying for a visa. At any rate, paddypower is not talking about a visa but about extension of stay.

Paddypower, as has been said only one of you needs to apply for an extension for retirement and meet the financial requirements for this extension (Paragraph 7.21 of Royal Thai Police order No. 606/2549). The spouse can get an extension as a dependant without separate financial requirements (Paragraph 7.19 of the same Police Order). Neither of you will have to do 90-day visa runs.

--

Maestro

[Lite Beer]

Thai_Retirement_Requirements.pdf According to the attachment I have provided the spouse of one on a retirement visa may indeed piggyback, but still is subject to O visa requirements and has to do 90 day visa runs.

The information in that link is wrong.

Maestro has posted the correct information.

[Patriciachas]

40,000 baht a month income for a married visa. 800,000 in a bank in Thailand for retirement visa, or 65,000 baht a month income.

May I ask you, for a Canadian, farang married couple, aged 62 and 66,

is there still the option available, of showing 1.6million, cash at bank, certified by bank plus evidence of that amount being in the account for at least 3 months prior to the retirement visa renewal date?

it used to be certificate of cash at bank, OR certificate of monthy/yearly income. what happens if you have the 1.6 million in the bank but you do not have 130,000 baht a month income? thanks, Paddy.

The requirement for you 2 would be 800,000 Baht in a Thai bank OR 65,000 Baht a month income.

Only one of you need to meet the requirements. The other one "piggy backs" on the other spouses extension.

We also both have o/a visas and the required money in the bank ,are you saying my wife does not need to renew her visa and she will be ok to be a dependant on my visa.Is their any likelyhood of my wife having a problem in the future if we did it this way?.

[Lite Beer]

40,000 baht a month income for a married visa. 800,000 in a bank in Thailand for retirement visa, or 65,000 baht a month income.

May I ask you, for a Canadian, farang married couple, aged 62 and 66,

is there still the option available, of showing 1.6million, cash at bank, certified by bank plus evidence of that amount being in the account for at least 3 months prior to the retirement visa renewal date?

it used to be certificate of cash at bank, OR certificate of monthy/yearly income. what happens if you have the 1.6 million in the bank but you do not have 130,000 baht a month income? thanks, Paddy.

The requirement for you 2 would be 800,000 Baht in a Thai bank OR 65,000 Baht a month income.

Only one of you need to meet the requirements. The other one "piggy backs" on the other spouses extension.

We also both have o/a visas and the required money in the bank ,are you saying my wife does not need to renew her visa and she will be ok to be a dependant on my visa.Is their any likelyhood of my wife having a problem in the future if we did it this way?.

Yes she can apply as your dependant.

As for the future? Who knows.

They did stop this a while back but did a U Turn and re instated it.

7.19 In the case of a family

member of an alien

who has been

permitted temporary

stay under clauses

7.1, 7.2, 7.4, 7.5, 7.6,

7.9, 7.11, 7.12, 7.13,

7.14, 7.15, 7.16, 7.20,

7.21, 7.25 or 7.28 of

this Order (applicable

only to parents,

spouse, child, adopted

child or child of

his/her spouse):

Permission will be

granted for a period of

not more than 1 year

at a time.

(1) The alien has obtained a

temporary visa (NON-IM); and

(2) Proof of family relationship;

and

(3) In the case of a spouse, the

marital relationship shall be de

jure (legitimate) and de facto;

or

(4) In the case of a child, adopted

child or child of his/her spouse,

the said person must not be

married, must be living with the

family, and must be less than

20 years of age; or (5) In the

case of a parent, the said person

shall be 50 years of age or over.

1. Application form

2. Copy of the applicant's passport

3. Copy of the passport of alien

who has been granted temporary

stay

4. Proof of family relationship,

e.g., marriage certificate, birth

certificate, registration of

legitimate child, household

registration certificate, proof of

child adoption, or any other

evidence issued by the authority

or agency concerned

Edited August 4, 2008 by Lite Beer