Baby Of Foreign Female + Thai Male

[Sunsylvia]

I would like to discuss things that should be considered, mainly in regards to legalities, when a foreign female has a baby with a Thai male.

Assumptions:

The foreign female and Thai male are both unmarried.

The baby will be born in Thailand.

The foreign female plans to live in Thailand with the baby but also travel overseas freely with the baby, with or without the babies Thai father.

The foreign female already has a visa to stay in Thailand, does not depend on the Thai male or baby for a visa.

The foreign female does not require financial support from the Thai father.

The babies Thai father is not present at the birth / during registering the birth.

The foreign female would like to avoid trouble when travelling alone with the baby.

I would like to discuss Pros and Cons for several specific decisions that need to be made:

- List the Thai father on the babies Thai birth certificate or not? (Probably need to or else no Thai passport for baby and possible visa problems later for child)

- Baby name, to give Thai first name VS Foreign first name VS first and middle names

- Baby name, to give Thai fathers last name VS foreign females last name

- Foreign female to apply for sole custody in Thailand or not

Some legal questions:

- Can the Thai father be listed on the birth certificate at all if he is not present during birth / registration?

- Can the foreign female apply for a Thai passport for the baby without the Thai father being present or signing anything, if the fathers name is already on the birth certificate?

- What are the Thai fathers rights when he is listed on the birth certificate VS not being listed?

- Can the foreign female apply for a passport for the baby of her own nationality without the father or signature present if he is on the birth certificate? I assume if he is not it would be easy to do without fathers presence / signature?

- If the foreign female gets some legalized Thai sole custody document, Thai father being on the birth certificate, would it then be illegal for the Thai father to 'abduct' the baby?

- How would the foreign female be able to get a document that certifies sole custody?

- Is it possible to change the babies birth certificate to add the Thai father later, I assume then the nationality of the baby would need to be changed from foreign to Thai on the birth certificate later?

- I read that babies do not get fined for overstay, but does it have any negative consequences or problems when re-entering Thailand or other countries, if the baby only has a foreign passport, no Thai passport and no Thai father listed on the birth certificate, and the baby regularly overstays because the foreign mother is living in Thailand on long term visas?

- If the baby has the Thai fathers last name, would you expect trouble anywhere when the foreign female travels alone with the baby?

[Goinghomesoon]

I suspect the answers to some questions, such as foreign citizenship & passports, will depend on your nationality.

Issues such as custody are regularly raised in the Family & Children forum, maybe you could have a look there.

As far as I understand, a father can be listed on the Thai BC without being present. I had a friend come from Cambodia to give birth and her hubby didn't make it here in time. He was still listed on the certificate as the father.

[cmsally]

There is the hospital birth certificate and the birth registration (which must be done at the Amphur a certain amount of time after the birth (10days? or maybe longer can't remember))

For the hospital birth certificate I doubt it would be a problem.

But you would need house address book and fathers details to register the child under the system (seeing as you are not a Thai citizen). This would make sure baby can get Thai passport, ID, house regis.

To get a birth certificate from your embassy you will need, birth certificate, registration on the Thai end as we ll as your passport details and translations.

I am almost sure you need to have father either present or signing papers when Thai passport issued. You also need another Thai witness.