What Did The Monk Mean?

[Comehome]

I was at a temple a few months ago and spoke to the eldest monk there about some spritual things I have experienced lately.

I was with my friend and we did the "pouring water on a tree-ceremony".

I was born in Thailand but raised in Europe so I am not so familiar with all the ceremonies yet, but I try to learn.

The monk said that he did see things in me or around me that he could not tell me or talk about. My friend said it was something he can not tell common people or speak about with common people. Nothing bad she said.

I have never heared that a monk can say that and ofc I wonder what he meant.

Do you think it mattered that we are female or have you heared monks say things like this before?

Hope for some help. Thank you for your time!

/comehome

[Brucenkhamen]

I was at a temple a few months ago and spoke to the eldest monk there about some spritual things I have experienced lately.

I was with my friend and we did the "pouring water on a tree-ceremony".

I was born in Thailand but raised in Europe so I am not so familiar with all the ceremonies yet, but I try to learn.

The monk said that he did see things in me or around me that he could not tell me or talk about. My friend said it was something he can not tell common people or speak about with common people. Nothing bad she said.

I have never heared that a monk can say that and ofc I wonder what he meant.

Do you think it mattered that we are female or have you heared monks say things like this before?

Hope for some help. Thank you for your time!

You have to judge for yourself. Did this monk strike you as a monk who has spent years in intense meditation, who follows the dhamma vinaya seriously, is a forest monk. If so there might be something in it.

Does he strike you as a monk who lives in a village wat, does rituals, lives the lazy life. If so then he probably just told you what he thought you wanted to hear, what he thought would make him seem 'spiritual' to you.

[Comehome]

Thank you for sharing your experience, Brucenkhamen.

From what I was told from my friend, the monk came to the temple at 18 years old and he liked it so much so he never left. He is now around 70 years old now i think.

At first he said what almost every monk say "You must come to the temple more".

Then I told him about my issue and he listened. He asked my friend if I was thai or not and she said no, which i didnt like.

I said she could tell him the truth but she didnt. I am born in Thailand but raised in europe.

We made the "pour-water-on-the-tree-ceremony" and put 200 baht in an envelope.

Then I told him some more about what has happened since I came to Thailand. He looked me straight in the eyes and it was like all of his presens said "I know" to me. It was a kind look, a bit piercing but kind.

I know it sounds silly but it is difficult to describe. It was like he could read or "take in" all I was thinking and everything I have ever learned in this life. I felt like an open book to him.

He said I could come back if had more questions.

I realise I sound like a complete nutcase...

I talked to my friend a few weeks ago about going back and she said that the monk would probably only let us do the "pouring-water-ceremony" again and not say anything else.

Something in me says she might be wrong, but I can not speak thai and the monk does not speak english.

Honestly, what is your feeling about this?

My heart says I should go back without my friend but I dont know.

Thank you for reading. Take care!

[camerata]

I talked to my friend a few weeks ago about going back and she said that the monk would probably only let us do the "pouring-water-ceremony" again and not say anything else.

From what you've told us, the monk may possibly have some telepathic powers but he hasn't actually given you any advice for your problems. All he's done is let you do a ceremony of pouring water on a tree. I don't see how that is going to help your problems, and the Buddha himself frowned on rites and ceremonies anyway.

[Comehome]

Thank you, you are right.

The monk hasnt given me any answers or help to my problem.

Ok, I will tell you my problem...

Me and my family rent a house and I see ghosts in this house every night.

They are friendly and I am not scared.

If I ask them to go away they usually do.

Many of them comes to look at my baby and to look after us, they say.

One man told me he used to walk in this area when he was alive. He was poor and homeless. Before I see him I often scent of cigarettsmoke.

I meditated and asked for his family and friends to come and help him go to the other side to find some peace before he is reborn again.

After that I havnt seen him around.

One little lady often stirs around in the kitchen at night. For some reason she doesnt like where I keep the waterbottles but we have moved them now so she is quiet now.

She is nice and she likes to stand in the kitchen with me.

Other than that there are a few coming and going. Just looking what kind of people we are, I guess. They dont say anything.. We have had a few children here too. One sat in the wardrobe once and almost scared me to death...

another ran through the kitchen table once and was never seen again..

My biological grandmother which I never have seen or heared about came one morning and told me about my history.

I just want to know why I see them and what I should do.

I often say welcome to them and ask if I can help but most of them dont say anything..

Another thing has happened since this started.

I wake up and see things in my room. Like symbols on the wall or actions, it is "like a movie is played" before me with a scene or scenario.

I also had people showing me things in my dreams, books with certain text on, etc.

Recently, when I put my hand on my friends shoulders to give her a litte backrub because she said she had pain from work. I suddenly felt she was sad.

The feeling just filled me and I started crying. She asked me why and I said, i dont know, I just feel sad like something is taking my energy, draining me of energy, my feet feel heavy and it is like i am pulled down to the ground because my heart is broken.

I explained more about the feeling i got and what I could feel more from it and after that she looked at me and said that the day before we met she found out her husband had been cheating on her for years, ven during her last pregnancy and she was devastated over this.

So, now you know. You see, I really need help and guidance from a good monk.

Any suggestions where I should go?

I want to know what is the meaning of this. It is not happening all the time but when it does, I cant help it.

Please, I am not crazy. I dont take any drugs, I have never tried any drugs in my whole life. I have never been in a inbedded room or had the shirt with veeeeery long sleeves.

I am just a mom trying to do my best for my family.

Please I need your help and wisdom.

[orchis]

Ghosts are not relevant to buddhism,

though deeply embedded in the thai psyche, apparently.

[camerata]

Me and my family rent a house and I see ghosts in this house every night.

I want to know what is the meaning of this.

I think only you can know the meaning of it. I personally don't believe that ghosts are beings trapped between realms, or anything like that. I believe they are products of our own mind. Most likely the cause of the ghosts can be found by looking at when and where they started. Was it after some kind of traumatic event in your life? Was it when you moved into this rented house?

I have also seen things (not ghosts) which I later concluded were not real. It happened after my meditation had been going badly. It seems that meditation connects the conscious mind with the subconscious in a way that we get a glimpse of only in dreams, and presumably is the cause of visions during meditation. Once the subconscious breaks through to the conscious, anything can happen.

Another thing has happened since this started.

I wake up and see things in my room. Like symbols on the wall or actions, it is "like a movie is played" before me with a scene or scenario.

I also had people showing me things in my dreams, books with certain text on, etc.

This happens a lot to kids, me included. It's called a "waking dream." Your mind is caught between a waking state and a sleeping state and the subconscious projects images onto your mind.

Recently, when I put my hand on my friends shoulders to give her a litte backrub because she said she had pain from work. I suddenly felt she was sad.

The feeling just filled me and I started crying. She asked me why and I said, i dont know, I just feel sad like something is taking my energy, draining me of energy, my feet feel heavy and it is like i am pulled down to the ground because my heart is broken.

I explained more about the feeling i got and what I could feel more from it and after that she looked at me and said that the day before we met she found out her husband had been cheating on her for years, ven during her last pregnancy and she was devastated over this.

I've had a very similar experience. With your friend in such a mental state, I'm sure you picked up on some clues on a subconscious level. Perhaps her expressions, tone of voice, body language, etc. Nothing supernatural.

If your ghosts appeared when you moved into that house, there may be something about the house that disturbs you. You could try moving house or inviting monks to do a blessing ceremony. Otherwise, I think these ghosts are a result of something that is bothering you deep down. Try and figure out what it is.

I'm sure there are monks who will tell you they can "read your past lives" and figure out what is wrong, but it's up to you if you believe them or not. There are other monks who will basically prescribe more Dhamma, such as keeping 8 precepts on holy days, etc. This might work for you.

[Comehome]

It is an interesting view you have and I will of course consider your thaughts.

How do you know your ghosts weren't real?

I dont share your believes but it doesn't make me angry with you or make me think less of you as a person.

I only wish to find out why this is happening. I have had similar experiences in Europe but not as strong as they are when I am in Thailand.

[camerata]

I haven't seen anything like a ghost, say, a person, maybe a relative or a famous person, walking around and talking.

From what I've read in the Pali Canon, there are references to highly attained monks communicating with celestial beings, but nothing about people having souls that get stuck in limbo after death or come back to haunt us.

[sabaijai]

It is an interesting view you have and I will of course consider your thaughts.

How do you know your ghosts weren't real?

I dont share your believes but it doesn't make me angry with you or make me think less of you as a person.

I only wish to find out why this is happening. I have had similar experiences in Europe but not as strong as they are when I am in Thailand.

Camerata is merely suggesting there are a variety of alternative explanations--including psychological--for what you experienced.

Just because we've seen something, or think we've seen something, doesn't mean it has an objective existence. Buddhist psychology distinguishes between rupa, the material energy experienced by the sense doors and nama, literally the 'name' or concepts applied to that experience (not the intellectual concept, rather the automatic concept that arises and creates 'I'). It's easy to mistake nama for rupa, and to identify nama-rupa as self. Ghosts, humans, unicorns, cars, animals, computer chips, they're all conditioned phenomena with varying degrees to which they exist in consensual reality. But our experience of them is the same, and what counts, in Buddhism, is understanding the nature of that experience. The dhammas are the same for all rupa, whether they are apprehended only by the mind (as in hallucinations or fantasy) or by our other sense doors.

[rockyysdt]

It is an interesting view you have and I will of course consider your thaughts.

How do you know your ghosts weren't real?

I dont share your believes but it doesn't make me angry with you or make me think less of you as a person.

I only wish to find out why this is happening. I have had similar experiences in Europe but not as strong as they are when I am in Thailand.

Comehome, you might have clairvoyant power.

If you do go back to the monk, under no circumstance tell him of your powers.

If he, as you say, "knows", let him reveal his knowledge to you without help.

This can be the only way of knowing if he's genuine.

You will need a translater who you trust and who also doesn't know your power.

Personally, I don't think you need a monk to help you.

As long as you are not frightened, and you benefit from these experiences, then think of it as a gift.

If you are clairvoyant, if this is possible, then you have advantages over others.

Alternatively if your condition is a fantasy state which can prevent you from achieving higher states on your meditative journey, then the recommendation is to observe it without attachment and eventually it will go away.

[Comehome]

rockyysdt:

Thank you for your kind answer.

I am not sure what this, what ever it is, is called, or where I should go.

I thought that talking to the monks was the right thing to do, but maybe I should talk to someone else.

I just want to tell you something that happend last week.

Last week I went to look at a rental house with my family.

I dont want to say where it was because I dont want to put anyone in trouble.

The second I stepped out of the car, I felt a presens. It felt like my whole body was vibrating but from the inside somehow. Tried to concentrate and then I felt a young womans spirit.

She was on to me like sticker or something. This time I got scared, she felt so desperate and intense. She was confused.

She said something had happened to her. An accident or something. At least it was something very violent.

I told her to not bother me but she was persistent. I told her she was dead and has to move on to be born again.

She said she was thai, not old, about 20-30 years old when she died.

She gaved me a feeling of not being able to breathe, like a pressure on my chest and the feeling in my throat was like the space for air was shrinking. (sorry I cant explain so good in english)

Also I felt in the middle of my stomach like a huge punch or kick.

I think she was beaten by someone. Kicks to her stomach and punches to her face.

I think a man beat her and I think he was drunk, and he is thai. She knew him, not a husband or boyfriend but she knew him.

She wasnt meant to die, they were argueing and he started hitting her until she didnt move anymore. No children around I think.

It was like I saw her lying on the floor in a house. The house is built from grass or something, not stone floor or concrete walls, more like a barn. There is light from a fire or a candle and it is dark outside.

The man has a little bit longer hair, like curly in the end. He is wearing green trousers, and a black t-shirt but with buttons on the chest...,can see that it is open...strange.. red scarf around his neck and moustache, I think.

It was like everything happened very quickly and that is why she was still around.

I have no idea when this happend or if there has been something else on the land before the houses were built there.

I went to the sprit house and she followed, I asked her not to stay with me anymore.

I asked my buddha for help with what to do and how to do it right to make her understand.

Then I asked for any friends or family from the other side to come and help her. To show her how to move on so she can find some peace.

I told my husband everything and after this I was totally exhausted.

I dont know if this makes any sense to anyone.

Can't help it, it just happens. It was like she wanted to show me for some reason.

IF this is real or some sort of gift, what am I supposed to do with it?

How can I know for sure that this is really really happening, for real?

I want to help people but I need to know I can trust what I see and feel, so I dont hurt people instead of helping them.

Do you understand how I mean?

[roygsd]

I was at a temple a few months ago and spoke to the eldest monk there about some spritual things I have experienced lately.

I was with my friend and we did the "pouring water on a tree-ceremony".

I was born in Thailand but raised in Europe so I am not so familiar with all the ceremonies yet, but I try to learn.

The monk said that he did see things in me or around me that he could not tell me or talk about. My friend said it was something he can not tell common people or speak about with common people. Nothing bad she said.

I have never heared that a monk can say that and ofc I wonder what he meant.

Do you think it mattered that we are female or have you heared monks say things like this before?

Hope for some help. Thank you for your time!

/comehome

I think you know the answer already, keep coming to the temple and keep donating seems to be the norm these days, I have yet to know a monk who doesnt have all the answers.

Buddhists are suposedly taught to search inside themselves for the answers so I would take no the lightest bit of notice of the monk or your friens for that matter.

Whatever it is that troubles you, only you can resolve.

Good luck,

roy gsd

Edited August 27, 2008 by camerata
Gratuitous, derogatory comment about monks deleted.

[rockyysdt]

I don't think the phenomen you are experiencing is a Buddhist issue.

In fact most Buddhists will tell you it's an illusion.

Many people believe that when someone dies violently their spirit can be trapped between realms or reincarnations.

Maybe these spirits all all around us, but only you can see and feel them.

If you are born with this power then there isn't much you can do about blocking out what comes naturally to you.

Perhaps you can talk to a respected psychic about your experiences and worries.

Many believe psychics are fake.

One who appears to have worldwide respect is John Edwards.

Perhaps you should contact him.

His organisation offers jobs to people with your powers.

http://www.psychic.com.au/famous-mediums-john-edwards.htm

http://www.psychic.com.au/psychic-employment.htm

Perhaps you might feel better by meeting others like yourself who also have to deal with these powers.

Good luck.

[ff978472]

The vision you saw was real, but what you saw in the vision wasn’t.

[Comehome]

Interesting....^^

[sabaijai]

rockyysdt:

Thank you for your kind answer.

I am not sure what this, what ever it is, is called, or where I should go.

I thought that talking to the monks was the right thing to do, but maybe I should talk to someone else.

I just want to tell you something that happend last week.

Last week I went to look at a rental house with my family.

I dont want to say where it was because I dont want to put anyone in trouble.

The second I stepped out of the car, I felt a presens. It felt like my whole body was vibrating but from the inside somehow. Tried to concentrate and then I felt a young womans spirit.

She was on to me like sticker or something. This time I got scared, she felt so desperate and intense. She was confused.

She said something had happened to her. An accident or something. At least it was something very violent.

I told her to not bother me but she was persistent. I told her she was dead and has to move on to be born again.

She said she was thai, not old, about 20-30 years old when she died.

She gaved me a feeling of not being able to breathe, like a pressure on my chest and the feeling in my throat was like the space for air was shrinking. (sorry I cant explain so good in english)

Also I felt in the middle of my stomach like a huge punch or kick.

I think she was beaten by someone. Kicks to her stomach and punches to her face.

I think a man beat her and I think he was drunk, and he is thai. She knew him, not a husband or boyfriend but she knew him.

She wasnt meant to die, they were argueing and he started hitting her until she didnt move anymore. No children around I think.

It was like I saw her lying on the floor in a house. The house is built from grass or something, not stone floor or concrete walls, more like a barn. There is light from a fire or a candle and it is dark outside.

The man has a little bit longer hair, like curly in the end. He is wearing green trousers, and a black t-shirt but with buttons on the chest...,can see that it is open...strange.. red scarf around his neck and moustache, I think.

It was like everything happened very quickly and that is why she was still around.

I have no idea when this happend or if there has been something else on the land before the houses were built there.

I went to the sprit house and she followed, I asked her not to stay with me anymore.

I asked my buddha for help with what to do and how to do it right to make her understand.

Then I asked for any friends or family from the other side to come and help her. To show her how to move on so she can find some peace.

I told my husband everything and after this I was totally exhausted.

I dont know if this makes any sense to anyone.

Can't help it, it just happens. It was like she wanted to show me for some reason.

IF this is real or some sort of gift, what am I supposed to do with it?

How can I know for sure that this is really really happening, for real?

I want to help people but I need to know I can trust what I see and feel, so I dont hurt people instead of helping them.

Do you understand how I mean?

Interesting stories, but it doesn't seem as if you're bothering to read or respond to the Buddhism-related posts here.

Everything you have experienced came through the sense doors, and that includes purely mental phenomena. In Buddhist terms it's all nama-rupa. The Buddhist solution for dealing with all nama-rupa, whether pleasant, unpleasant or indifferent, is the same. One examines the nature of perception and realises that all conditioned phenomena are impermanent, unsatisfactory and without self.

Talking to (supposed) psychics will yield no positive result, from a Buddhist perspective, just the proliferation of speculation on the spirit world and reinforcement of the sense of self. Learning more about ghost lore may be entertaining at first but is ultimately unsatisfying. Such entertainments, like the supposed ghosts themselves--whether they're inside or outside your head, or both--are conditioned phenomena.

On the other hand, understanding the nature of what your senses perceive in the process of perception itself will further your knowledge of the dhammas.

[rockyysdt]

Interesting stories, but it doesn't seem as if you're bothering to read or respond to the Buddhism-related posts here.

Everything you have experienced came through the sense doors, and that includes purely mental phenomena. In Buddhist terms it's all nama-rupa. The Buddhist solution for dealing with all nama-rupa, whether pleasant, unpleasant or indifferent, is the same. One examines the nature of perception and realises that all conditioned phenomena are impermanent, unsatisfactory and without self.

Talking to (supposed) psychics will yield no positive result, from a Buddhist perspective, just the proliferation of speculation on the spirit world and reinforcement of the sense of self. Learning more about ghost lore may be entertaining at first but is ultimately unsatisfying. Such entertainments, like the supposed ghosts themselves--whether they're inside or outside your head, or both--are conditioned phenomena.

On the other hand, understanding the nature of what your senses perceive in the process of perception itself will further your knowledge of the dhammas.

Sabaijai

Until one personally experiences what you say, isn't it a theory or a belief?

I thought the importance of keeping an open mind when embarking on practice was to ensure ones beliefs don't color ones experience.

In an infinite world, is it possible that many phenomena may exist but may not have been revealed in Buddha's teachings?

Had Buddha had similar real experiences as does "comehome", is it possible Buddhas teachings may have had an additional section?

I agree that treating "comehome's" experiences as entertainment would be inappropriate, but with appropriate investigation the validity of her experiences could be tested.

Isn't it true that there are many realms, some real and some illusions, between us and nirvana?

Edited August 28, 2008 by rockyysdt

[sabaijai]

Isn't it true that there are many realms, some real and some illusions, between us and nirvana?

Probably, but does it matter, from a Buddhist perspective? More to the point, is the existence or non-existence of conditioned phenomena relevant to a forum on Buddhism? There are plenty of forums out there that discuss the nature and testing of so-called paranormal phenoms. Just as there are forums that discuss the nature and testing of customised racing cars.

The Buddhist path applies to all phenomena, it makes not the slightest difference whether it's goats or ghosts or gout.

Obviously comehome has experienced something, if she's not making it up. And as someone else pointed out, illusions are real. comehome implied concern about the negative physical and mental effects of her visions. This is something Buddhist psychology can work with.

[rockyysdt]

Isn't it true that there are many realms, some real and some illusions, between us and nirvana?

Probably, but does it matter, from a Buddhist perspective? More to the point, is the existence or non-existence of conditioned phenomena relevant to a forum on Buddhism? There are plenty of forums out there that discuss the nature and testing of so-called paranormal phenoms. Just as there are forums that discuss the nature and testing of customised racing cars.

The Buddhist path applies to all phenomena, it makes not the slightest difference whether it's goats or ghosts or gout.

Obviously comehome has experienced something, if she's not making it up. And as someone else pointed out, illusions are real. comehome implied concern about the negative physical and mental effects of her visions. This is something Buddhist psychology can work with.

Agreed.

Comehome just posted here in case someone could help her.

I thought networking with paranormal experts would be a suitable path for her.

[sabaijai]

Isn't it true that there are many realms, some real and some illusions, between us and nirvana?

Probably, but does it matter, from a Buddhist perspective? More to the point, is the existence or non-existence of conditioned phenomena relevant to a forum on Buddhism? There are plenty of forums out there that discuss the nature and testing of so-called paranormal phenoms. Just as there are forums that discuss the nature and testing of customised racing cars.

The Buddhist path applies to all phenomena, it makes not the slightest difference whether it's goats or ghosts or gout.

Obviously comehome has experienced something, if she's not making it up. And as someone else pointed out, illusions are real. comehome implied concern about the negative physical and mental effects of her visions. This is something Buddhist psychology can work with.

Agreed.

Comehome just posted here in case someone could help her.

I thought networking with paranormal experts would be a suitable path for her.

Yes, if a Buddhist approach to the problem/mystery doesn't appeal to her, then that might be a good idea.

[jamesc2000]

Dear Comehome

One of my ex staff is clairvoyant as she can see ghosts. She is also clairaudient as she can also hear them. We worked the midnight shift and she used to nap in the conference room. Then one day she would only nap at her desk. I asked her why and she said that one night a ghost , I would rather use the term disembodied spirit got lost in the building and took a rest on a chair in the conference room. He got lost using the lifts and just needed a rest.

This lady has seen spirits all her life and is quite used to it but she is still a little uncomfortable about it and quite understandably I guess.

My friend’s mum is also clairvoyant as she can see spirits but not clairaudient as she cannot hear them. She met me one day and told me an old man is pointing to a door mat. I told me mother about this and she said it was my grandfather. He would secretly replace the worn out mat at the church.

One of Ajahn Brahm’s story is about a women who had a dream that a badly bruised women came to her in a dream and asked her to help go to a temple some distance away. The women told her husband and they drove to the temple and found an unidentified body of a young English lady killed in the tsunami.

The lady in the dream told the women to call a number in England to tell her mother that she was killed in the tsunami and to give her a Buddhist funeral with the prayers. The lady’s mother got the call and immediately came over and gave her daughter the Buddhist funeral she wanted.

After this the lady came to women in the dream and looking peaceful thanked the women for her kindness. The lady is at peace and so is her mother. For them I guess there is closure. I guess you can say the lady is now free to Go home.

If you met a man in the street and he was lost and wanted directions to go home I guess its up to us if we wanted to help them.

But the guy on the street can ask any and everybody he meets. The disembodied spirit can only ask someone that can see or hear them. Few and far between.

Some people say some days the sun shine and some days the sun don’t shine. They are extremely wrong! The sun shines everyday but we cannot see the sun cos it is blocked by the clouds. Rise about the clouds and you see the sun is always shinning even at night.

The spirits are all around us but most of us just cannot see them and so some say its an illusion or its just your imagination.

I have a high pitch whistle that my dog can hear but I cannot and any other normal human cannot. Its fun to blow and watch my dog react to it. People cannot hear as it is a frequency above the hearing of humans. Because people cannot hear it they think my dog is freaking out over nothing! But its not nothing - it’s a sound as real as you and me!

Spirits live in the same space as us but just at a higher or finer frequency. There is music all around us but we need a radio to receive the signal and convert it down to a lower frequency to a sound that we can hear.

The Buddhist belief if I understand correctly is that nothing exists and so you and I don’t exist.

But I know if I poke someone in the eye, they will wince with pain! I also know if I contradicted some posters here they would react to it!

But I really have to say that the spirits you meet are as real as the posters who say its just your imagination or its just an illusion.

And as to what to do with your ability well that is entirely up to you!

Edited September 1, 2008 by jamesc2000

[Comehome]

Hi all,

Thank you for your replies.

First of all, I understand that my experiences might sometimes be difficult to take in, but I assure you, I am not making any of this up.

I did conact a psycic and asked him for a session.

He said that I see things that are unexplainable to others, and what I see is real.

He also said that I should develope more of my healing because it is very strong with me. I should see myself as a link between the spiritual world and the world we are in.

He told me about personal things that he could not possibly know about me.

He also said that I should develop my skills more to understand what is happening with me. He said I must learn to "shut down", "close my chakras he said".

If I dont close my chakras I will walk around like a wondering light and the spirits will be drawn to me like moths to the light. A person that is always open will surely feel exhausted and confused most of the time, wondering what is taking all the energy.

He said that I should only open up when I meditate or when I am to help someone, by linking messages from the spiritual world.

I have no idea what all of this means but I am a bit curious.

I think I should talk with another psycic to get a second oppinion, just to see if they have the same conclusion.

I will also go back to talk with the monk I visited before, one more time and ask him about this.

It will be interesting to hear what he has to say about it.

I will respect his oppinion and after my talk with him, I will decide what to think and what to do.

It is more calm in the house now, by the way.

A few more things has happened but for some reason I feel like I should keep that to myself until after I have spoken to the monk.

Please dont think bad of me. I am not some "attention-seeker", trying to be mysterious in any way.

I am glad that you took the time to read and reflect over my experiences and thoughts.

Thank you so mucn and take care now!

/Comehome

[sabaijai]

The Buddhist belief if I understand correctly is that nothing exists and so you and I don’t exist.

That's not correct. I suggest you go back and read earlier posts in this thread that are directly relevant to Buddhism.

All conditioned phenomena, whether ghosts, people, furniture, etc, interact with our lives in the same way, as nama (mentality) and rupa (form). The Buddhist method for dealing with all conditioned phenomena is the same, develop sati (mindfulness) so that you don't mistake any of it as substantial, permanent or belonging to self, and thereby cause more suffering for yourself or others.

comehome, substitute 'psychics' for 'rockclimbers', and you may find the upcoming dhamma discussion at Wat Yannawa of interest.

[ff978472]

The Buddhist belief if I understand correctly is that nothing exists and so you and I don't exist.

If you meant Anatta, it doesn't mean you don't exist, but it meants whatever it is, it's not you.

[ff978472]

And ComeHome, I belive that you didn't make it up.

But just forget about it and continue your life.

[sutnyod]

Your experience sounds strange to me. All my teachers emphasised that in Buddhism a person with knowledge shares it only to someone if that person is ready. So to me it makes no sense to hint something and then not give you an explanation.

Edited September 4, 2008 by sutnyod

[Comehome]

Your experience sounds strange to me. All my teachers emphasised that in Buddhism a person with knowledge shares it only to someone if that person is ready. So to me it makes no sense to hint something and then not give you an explanation.

That was my thought too. Maybe I am not ready then?

[ff978472]

Your experience sounds strange to me. All my teachers emphasised that in Buddhism a person with knowledge shares it only to someone if that person is ready. So to me it makes no sense to hint something and then not give you an explanation.

That was my thought too. Maybe I am not ready then?

ComeHome, don't want to be rude but there is nothing for you to be ready for.

First thing you have to do is to think that you are normal human and don't have any special power that other people don't.

And if necessary, stop your meditation practice.

Live your normal life, concentrate on your work both at home and at office.

That may solve your problem.

[Comehome]

ff978472:

Well...easy for you to say, who hasn't had the experiences I have.

If that is all the advice you have to give me, I get it already from your previous post.

I understand that you dont believe in these things but I don't mind, really I don't.

You are entitled to believe in what you want, I can force you to see me as something you are not willing to see or believe in.

I know you didn't mean to be rude and neither do I, but from what you have written in your last two posts you don't seem have any constructive advice to give me.

This is how I see you and there is nothing wrong with that. None what so ever.

This is just the feeling I get from you.

I dont mean any harm to you, but perhaps you should try to open your mind just a little bit and don't be afraid of things you don't control or master yet.

You are a man between 30-37 years old.

Brown hair, glases or contact lenses. Probably a little bit nearsighted. Quite pale skin but not vampyric-white or something like that.

You like order and are almost pedantic in your work and your home.

You also dream about acomplishing something else in life or more like master it. For example buddhism.

You want to understand it and control it with all the correct terms and expressions. Like an intellectual project.

You want to know it all, and master it intellectually.

Where does this urge to "be somebody" come from? Who told you, you were a nobody?

It is like your brain understands it all, but what does your soul say??

I think you have a university degree that you seem to have struggled a lot with.

You are a smart man, no doubt about that but you also suck up to people with titles, highter degrees. Actually anything , as long as they are above you.

The ones below you or with less education can be interesting but you will always see yourself above them in every way.

You are not open for anything that doesn't come from a book or from someone you can respect. With respect I mean someone more enlightend than you are, from YOUR point of view.

Otherwise you can't accept the facts that normal people...acutally can get glimps of true enlightment in between ironing a shirt or cleaning the bathroom.

But it is a little hard for you to accept for some reason. You can't take it seriously, can you?

How can someone with no experience and no documented knowledge be gifted with things that you dont even BEGIN to understand?? Nor have any proof of.

Where is your true humbleness towards the people around you?

Why is it so important for you to be amongst the "right people" the ones with "documented goodness"?

Can't you feel in your heart and soul when another person is good, loving and caring , without looking at their CV?

But you already know all of this, and it is like you struggle with this within yourself from time to time.

But it is easier to stick your head in the sand and deny it all.

All you want is things to be normal, handable, and able to control.

I think you really want to do good but you are too afraid for some reason, to truely open up and stand for what you are, another unic person!

Some things are not meant to be provable in the ways of modern western science.

Some things are beyond what the human brain can understand with its often very logical thinking.

I believe that the soul has so much more wisdom, experience, love, empathy and creativity than the human brain can ever deal with.

I believe that the soul has lived many lives and for each life a littel bit of the puzzle towards completion falls into the right place. Every life adds something to the souls experiences and memory so that it will finally one day be one with the light again, from where our souls come from.

I appologize if I hurt you, it was not my attention. Please forgive me if I was ungentle.

Take care!