State Of Emergency Announced In Bangkok

[Moonrakers]

Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej has issued two more State of Emergency decrees which effectively transfer executive power solely into the hands of the premier, including the power to mobilize the armed forces.

To

Samak to consider revocation of state of emergency within a few days

Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej said Friday he will consider within a few days whether to revoke the state of emergency.

I wonder when he will see fit to clarify things.

[hammered]

n

Can still get TOC. Im on TT&T. TOC is a bit hit and miss at times probably due to the numbers logging on

[sriracha john]

Samak to consider revocation of state of emergency within a few days

Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej said Friday he will consider within a few days whether to revoke the state of emergency.

and...."A FEW DAYS" ago.... * and a mere 1,586 posts, btw *...

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej said he made the decision with caution to announce the state of emergency and would try to end the problems in a few days.

He said he would try to solve the problems as soon as possible.

He said the problems would be ended in a few days

[Plus]

Hmm, you want 'farmers' to vote on what PAD can or cannot do? I don't think the decision is upto farmers, or any other third group (PAD and the govt are the first two).

What is the percentage required for a win? In some countries it must be two thirds on important issues.

Samak's problem is not his popularity, but the strength and numbers of his enemies, that's what makes the country ungovernable. He shouldn't have created these enemies in the first place, by now it's too late - his government is unacceptable to a large and determined part of the population, it can't go on under such conditions.

I have no idea why they have decided on the referendum, probably only as buying time tactic - they need to secure election funding, another month would see the budget bill passed, and it's the interim government that gets to award all kinds of contracts. Also Thaksin hasn't completed MC sale yet, another month would free some of his money.

Generally speaking, last elections were based on the premise that PPP would bring Thaksin back. That no longer applies, so their main election point, the point that gave them the initial legitimacy to govern, is gone. The situation has changed, and so new elections are in order.

I won't be surprised that new elections option will win in the referendum - calls are coming from all sides already. It's only the MPs who refuse to run - no money.

[hammered]

Referendum plan wins little support as Thai crisis drags

BANGKOK (AFP / 29 minutes ago) — Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej found little support Friday for his proposal to hold a referendum to resolve the stalemate with protesters who have occupied his offices for 11 days.

Samak has refused to step down or call snap elections, insisting that he would stay in office in order to defend democracy.

He has proposed holding a referendum to defuse the crisis, but critics slammed the plan, arguing that the balloting would only drag out the turmoil and risked sparking new violence like the clashes among rival protesters that left one of Samak's supporters dead early Tuesday.

Speaker of the Senate Prasobsook Boondech told reporters that organising a referendum would take at least one month.

"The problem of the country is immediate and needs to be resolved as quickly as possible," he said.

The opposition Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said on the website for the Thai Rath newspaper that the referendum would not resolve the stalemate.

He proposed that Samak dissolve parliament and call snap elections, something the premier has forcefully rejected.

Thailand's people are deeply divided by the protests, with one survey of 16 provinces showing 50 percent of respondents supported the movement.

Some things are worth fighting for. Haven't we gone overboard with this "avoid violence at all costs" idea? Yeah, violence sucks, but sometimes it's necessary. Are they gonna let the whole nation fall apart because they're afraid somebody might get hurt or die? Most free, democratic, stable nations in the world lost many lives in the pursuit of establishing their constitutional democracies.

They let the PAD sit in the months and months "'cause they were afraid of violence!"

They let the PAD take over the PM's office and govt house "cause they were afraid of violence!"

Now they don't want a referendum because it risks "sparking new violence".

Oh cry me a river!

Surround govt house with 50,000 unarmed soldiers, and starting from the outside of the crowd pick them up one by one and ship 'em away. Yeah, some fights might break out and somebody might even die! Is the chance of violence worth it? Yes it is.

oooooh, you MAN you!

Well, no reply for 4 hours. So I guess it's agreed. The police/army is over-sensitive to the possiblity of fighting. And maybe thats understandable given their bad reactions in the past couple 'o decades where they really did step over the line by just open firing on protesters.

Tear gas would certainly be acceptable. Last week when the mob tried to take over government police headquarters it just boggled my mind that people complained about the tear gas. Why did the police deny it? OF COURSE they should have used tear gas, for crying out loud!!!! What rational government in this world would NOT AT LEAST use tear gas if their police headquarters were in danger of being overrun???

That idea with the referendum is indeed a smart move, as it shows clear the weak point in the PAD pattern and force them to show face and their true goals - to change the system to shut up the majority.

A referendum, would clearly show that PAD is the minority and that all the stupid farmers are not as stupid as Sondi and Co think they are, only because they vote who cares at least a little for them.

Of course if they vote like the PADs wish - they would be all very, very smart.

Uhhh ......

maxi

Well, while I think the referendum is a smart move on his part as it puts off his need to do anything now and gives him a people's mandate vis a vis the PAD, I wouldn't go so far as to say it shows who is smart and who is stupid. Let's face it, this government has done little in the way of managing the country and has been focusing purely on political issues and survival. If people in the northeast think this is what a government should do, then yes by all means that is the way they should vote.

But OMR dont forget the village headmen will tell them that nasty Mr. Abhisit will cut all their manhoods off with a pair of shears if he gets to power and that we must all chant 6 doobries for 6 months a hundred times a day and rememeber it is only since that nasty Mr. Abhisist set the shadow cabinet up that the economy had failed and thirty baht health cards stopped working so well, and if Mr. Thaksin came back the price of rice would quadruple immediately and all those nice rice miller middlemen and money lenders who are all TRT MPs would not be forced by Mr. Abhisist to rip off every farmer and it is only a dreadful lie that Mr. Abhisit wants to let all rural kids compete education to first degree level fro free and we all know that Mr. Thaksin and Mr. Samak's little plan to stop all free rural education at M3 is the real way ahead because degrees dont grow rice and they dont teach you to wai your rural master properly and show respect to the local big name mafia family and after all that is what it is all about.........

So now now OMR dont go suggesting the rural poor dont make well informed decisions at elections. After all we all know they get lots of information.... on which to base their decisions

[ubonjoe]

Senate speaker acts as mediator between Govt, PAD

BangkokPost.com) - A tri-party meeting between lower and upper houses and the opposition party agreed that Senate Speaker Prasopsuk Boondej serve as a mediator between People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) and the government in order to end political turmoil.

The decision came after parliamentary speaker Chai Chidchob, opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva and Mr Prasobsuk held a meeting to find solution to political conflict.

Mr Prasobsuk will carry on the task immediately.

The two deputies of parliamentary speaker are tasked with a duty to create better understandings among MPs.

The group is to meet again on Monday to discuss progress and obstacles that may arise in the future.

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Pnet calls on MPs to resign to force for new election

Somchai Srisutthiyakorn, the secretary-general of the People's Network for Elections, Friday called on MPs to resign to force the prime minister to dissolve the House of Representatives.

Somchai said Pnet saw that a House dissolution would be the best way-out for the political crisis.

He said MPs should sacrifice for the country by resigning, and thus forcing the prime minister to dissolve the House.

The Nation

These guys have a good clean reputation too.

[Old Man River]

Since Samak won't negotiate with the PAD, the senate speaker will do this instead:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=130416

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Since Samak won't negotiate with the PAD, the senate speaker will do this instead:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=130416

Lots of little thigns going on but it all feels like just distractions from the main event. Anyway kudos to the guy for at least trying

[Old Man River]

Pnet calls on MPs to resign to force for new election

Somchai Srisutthiyakorn, the secretary-general of the People's Network for Elections, Friday called on MPs to resign to force the prime minister to dissolve the House of Representatives.

Somchai said Pnet saw that a House dissolution would be the best way-out for the political crisis.

He said MPs should sacrifice for the country by resigning, and thus forcing the prime minister to dissolve the House.

The Nation

These guys have a good clean reputation too.

These are the good guys, but it isn't practical unless it is in Samak's best interest and I can't see where it is. In a new election he could lose out. What would be his upside?

[h90]

Referendum plan wins little support as Thai crisis drags

BANGKOK (AFP / 29 minutes ago) — Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej found little support Friday for his proposal to hold a referendum to resolve the stalemate with protesters who have occupied his offices for 11 days.

Samak has refused to step down or call snap elections, insisting that he would stay in office in order to defend democracy.

He has proposed holding a referendum to defuse the crisis, but critics slammed the plan, arguing that the balloting would only drag out the turmoil and risked sparking new violence like the clashes among rival protesters that left one of Samak's supporters dead early Tuesday.

Speaker of the Senate Prasobsook Boondech told reporters that organising a referendum would take at least one month.

"The problem of the country is immediate and needs to be resolved as quickly as possible," he said.

The opposition Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said on the website for the Thai Rath newspaper that the referendum would not resolve the stalemate.

He proposed that Samak dissolve parliament and call snap elections, something the premier has forcefully rejected.

Thailand's people are deeply divided by the protests, with one survey of 16 provinces showing 50 percent of respondents supported the movement.

Some things are worth fighting for. Haven't we gone overboard with this "avoid violence at all costs" idea? Yeah, violence sucks, but sometimes it's necessary. Are they gonna let the whole nation fall apart because they're afraid somebody might get hurt or die? Most free, democratic, stable nations in the world lost many lives in the pursuit of establishing their constitutional democracies.

They let the PAD sit in the months and months "'cause they were afraid of violence!"

They let the PAD take over the PM's office and govt house "cause they were afraid of violence!"

Now they don't want a referendum because it risks "sparking new violence".

Oh cry me a river!

Surround govt house with 50,000 unarmed soldiers, and starting from the outside of the crowd pick them up one by one and ship 'em away. Yeah, some fights might break out and somebody might even die! Is the chance of violence worth it? Yes it is.

oooooh, you MAN you!

Well, no reply for 4 hours. So I guess it's agreed. The police/army is over-sensitive to the possiblity of fighting. And maybe thats understandable given their bad reactions in the past couple 'o decades where they really did step over the line by just open firing on protesters.

Tear gas would certainly be acceptable. Last week when the mob tried to take over government police headquarters it just boggled my mind that people complained about the tear gas. Why did the police deny it? OF COURSE they should have used tear gas, for crying out loud!!!! What rational government in this world would NOT AT LEAST use tear gas if their police headquarters were in danger of being overrun???

That idea with the referendum is indeed a smart move, as it shows clear the weak point in the PAD pattern and force them to show face and their true goals - to change the system to shut up the majority.

A referendum, would clearly show that PAD is the minority and that all the stupid farmers are not as stupid as Sondi and Co think they are, only because they vote who cares at least a little for them.

Of course if they vote like the PADs wish - they would be all very, very smart.

Uhhh ......

maxi

Well, while I think the referendum is a smart move on his part as it puts off his need to do anything now and gives him a people's mandate vis a vis the PAD, I wouldn't go so far as to say it shows who is smart and who is stupid. Let's face it, this government has done little in the way of managing the country and has been focusing purely on political issues and survival. If people in the northeast think this is what a government should do, then yes by all means that is the way they should vote.

But OMR dont forget the village headmen will tell them that nasty Mr. Abhisit will cut all their manhoods off with a pair of shears if he gets to power and that we must all chant 6 doobries for 6 months a hundred times a day and rememeber it is only since that nasty Mr. Abhisist set the shadow cabinet up that the economy had failed and thirty baht health cards stopped working so well, and if Mr. Thaksin came back the price of rice would quadruple immediately and all those nice rice miller middlemen and money lenders who are all TRT MPs would not be forced by Mr. Abhisist to rip off every farmer and it is only a dreadful lie that Mr. Abhisit wants to let all rural kids compete education to first degree level fro free and we all know that Mr. Thaksin and Mr. Samak's little plan to stop all free rural education at M3 is the real way ahead because degrees dont grow rice and they dont teach you to wai your rural master properly and show respect to the local big name mafia family and after all that is what it is all about.........

So now now OMR dont go suggesting the rural poor dont make well informed decisions at elections. After all we all know they get lots of information.... on which to base their decisions

yes it will be approx. like that.

[Old Man River]

Referendum plan wins little support as Thai crisis drags

BANGKOK (AFP / 29 minutes ago) — Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej found little support Friday for his proposal to hold a referendum to resolve the stalemate with protesters who have occupied his offices for 11 days.

Samak has refused to step down or call snap elections, insisting that he would stay in office in order to defend democracy.

He has proposed holding a referendum to defuse the crisis, but critics slammed the plan, arguing that the balloting would only drag out the turmoil and risked sparking new violence like the clashes among rival protesters that left one of Samak's supporters dead early Tuesday.

Speaker of the Senate Prasobsook Boondech told reporters that organising a referendum would take at least one month.

"The problem of the country is immediate and needs to be resolved as quickly as possible," he said.

The opposition Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said on the website for the Thai Rath newspaper that the referendum would not resolve the stalemate.

He proposed that Samak dissolve parliament and call snap elections, something the premier has forcefully rejected.

Thailand's people are deeply divided by the protests, with one survey of 16 provinces showing 50 percent of respondents supported the movement.

Some things are worth fighting for. Haven't we gone overboard with this "avoid violence at all costs" idea? Yeah, violence sucks, but sometimes it's necessary. Are they gonna let the whole nation fall apart because they're afraid somebody might get hurt or die? Most free, democratic, stable nations in the world lost many lives in the pursuit of establishing their constitutional democracies.

They let the PAD sit in the months and months "'cause they were afraid of violence!"

They let the PAD take over the PM's office and govt house "cause they were afraid of violence!"

Now they don't want a referendum because it risks "sparking new violence".

Oh cry me a river!

Surround govt house with 50,000 unarmed soldiers, and starting from the outside of the crowd pick them up one by one and ship 'em away. Yeah, some fights might break out and somebody might even die! Is the chance of violence worth it? Yes it is.

oooooh, you MAN you!

Well, no reply for 4 hours. So I guess it's agreed. The police/army is over-sensitive to the possiblity of fighting. And maybe thats understandable given their bad reactions in the past couple 'o decades where they really did step over the line by just open firing on protesters.

Tear gas would certainly be acceptable. Last week when the mob tried to take over government police headquarters it just boggled my mind that people complained about the tear gas. Why did the police deny it? OF COURSE they should have used tear gas, for crying out loud!!!! What rational government in this world would NOT AT LEAST use tear gas if their police headquarters were in danger of being overrun???

That idea with the referendum is indeed a smart move, as it shows clear the weak point in the PAD pattern and force them to show face and their true goals - to change the system to shut up the majority.

A referendum, would clearly show that PAD is the minority and that all the stupid farmers are not as stupid as Sondi and Co think they are, only because they vote who cares at least a little for them.

Of course if they vote like the PADs wish - they would be all very, very smart.

Uhhh ......

maxi

Well, while I think the referendum is a smart move on his part as it puts off his need to do anything now and gives him a people's mandate vis a vis the PAD, I wouldn't go so far as to say it shows who is smart and who is stupid. Let's face it, this government has done little in the way of managing the country and has been focusing purely on political issues and survival. If people in the northeast think this is what a government should do, then yes by all means that is the way they should vote.

But OMR dont forget the village headmen will tell them that nasty Mr. Abhisit will cut all their manhoods off with a pair of shears if he gets to power and that we must all chant 6 doobries for 6 months a hundred times a day and rememeber it is only since that nasty Mr. Abhisist set the shadow cabinet up that the economy had failed and thirty baht health cards stopped working so well, and if Mr. Thaksin came back the price of rice would quadruple immediately and all those nice rice miller middlemen and money lenders who are all TRT MPs would not be forced by Mr. Abhisist to rip off every farmer and it is only a dreadful lie that Mr. Abhisit wants to let all rural kids compete education to first degree level fro free and we all know that Mr. Thaksin and Mr. Samak's little plan to stop all free rural education at M3 is the real way ahead because degrees dont grow rice and they dont teach you to wai your rural master properly and show respect to the local big name mafia family and after all that is what it is all about.........

So now now OMR dont go suggesting the rural poor dont make well informed decisions at elections. After all we all know they get lots of information.... on which to base their decisions

What is a doobrie?

[h90]

Pnet calls on MPs to resign to force for new election

Somchai Srisutthiyakorn, the secretary-general of the People's Network for Elections, Friday called on MPs to resign to force the prime minister to dissolve the House of Representatives.

Somchai said Pnet saw that a House dissolution would be the best way-out for the political crisis.

He said MPs should sacrifice for the country by resigning, and thus forcing the prime minister to dissolve the House.

The Nation

These guys have a good clean reputation too.

How many MP must resign to get the house dissolved?

Would it be enough if all Democrats MPs resign?

[hammered]

Referendum plan wins little support as Thai crisis drags

BANGKOK (AFP / 29 minutes ago) — Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej found little support Friday for his proposal to hold a referendum to resolve the stalemate with protesters who have occupied his offices for 11 days.

Samak has refused to step down or call snap elections, insisting that he would stay in office in order to defend democracy.

He has proposed holding a referendum to defuse the crisis, but critics slammed the plan, arguing that the balloting would only drag out the turmoil and risked sparking new violence like the clashes among rival protesters that left one of Samak's supporters dead early Tuesday.

Speaker of the Senate Prasobsook Boondech told reporters that organising a referendum would take at least one month.

"The problem of the country is immediate and needs to be resolved as quickly as possible," he said.

The opposition Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said on the website for the Thai Rath newspaper that the referendum would not resolve the stalemate.

He proposed that Samak dissolve parliament and call snap elections, something the premier has forcefully rejected.

Thailand's people are deeply divided by the protests, with one survey of 16 provinces showing 50 percent of respondents supported the movement.

Some things are worth fighting for. Haven't we gone overboard with this "avoid violence at all costs" idea? Yeah, violence sucks, but sometimes it's necessary. Are they gonna let the whole nation fall apart because they're afraid somebody might get hurt or die? Most free, democratic, stable nations in the world lost many lives in the pursuit of establishing their constitutional democracies.

They let the PAD sit in the months and months "'cause they were afraid of violence!"

They let the PAD take over the PM's office and govt house "cause they were afraid of violence!"

Now they don't want a referendum because it risks "sparking new violence".

Oh cry me a river!

Surround govt house with 50,000 unarmed soldiers, and starting from the outside of the crowd pick them up one by one and ship 'em away. Yeah, some fights might break out and somebody might even die! Is the chance of violence worth it? Yes it is.

oooooh, you MAN you!

Well, no reply for 4 hours. So I guess it's agreed. The police/army is over-sensitive to the possiblity of fighting. And maybe thats understandable given their bad reactions in the past couple 'o decades where they really did step over the line by just open firing on protesters.

Tear gas would certainly be acceptable. Last week when the mob tried to take over government police headquarters it just boggled my mind that people complained about the tear gas. Why did the police deny it? OF COURSE they should have used tear gas, for crying out loud!!!! What rational government in this world would NOT AT LEAST use tear gas if their police headquarters were in danger of being overrun???

That idea with the referendum is indeed a smart move, as it shows clear the weak point in the PAD pattern and force them to show face and their true goals - to change the system to shut up the majority.

A referendum, would clearly show that PAD is the minority and that all the stupid farmers are not as stupid as Sondi and Co think they are, only because they vote who cares at least a little for them.

Of course if they vote like the PADs wish - they would be all very, very smart.

Uhhh ......

maxi

Well, while I think the referendum is a smart move on his part as it puts off his need to do anything now and gives him a people's mandate vis a vis the PAD, I wouldn't go so far as to say it shows who is smart and who is stupid. Let's face it, this government has done little in the way of managing the country and has been focusing purely on political issues and survival. If people in the northeast think this is what a government should do, then yes by all means that is the way they should vote.

But OMR dont forget the village headmen will tell them that nasty Mr. Abhisit will cut all their manhoods off with a pair of shears if he gets to power and that we must all chant 6 doobries for 6 months a hundred times a day and rememeber it is only since that nasty Mr. Abhisist set the shadow cabinet up that the economy had failed and thirty baht health cards stopped working so well, and if Mr. Thaksin came back the price of rice would quadruple immediately and all those nice rice miller middlemen and money lenders who are all TRT MPs would not be forced by Mr. Abhisist to rip off every farmer and it is only a dreadful lie that Mr. Abhisit wants to let all rural kids compete education to first degree level fro free and we all know that Mr. Thaksin and Mr. Samak's little plan to stop all free rural education at M3 is the real way ahead because degrees dont grow rice and they dont teach you to wai your rural master properly and show respect to the local big name mafia family and after all that is what it is all about.........

So now now OMR dont go suggesting the rural poor dont make well informed decisions at elections. After all we all know they get lots of information.... on which to base their decisions

What is a doobrie?

In Brit Eng "a thing". Sometimes a thing you cant rememeber the name of. It could also refer to a male sex organ

[hammered]

Pnet calls on MPs to resign to force for new election

Somchai Srisutthiyakorn, the secretary-general of the People's Network for Elections, Friday called on MPs to resign to force the prime minister to dissolve the House of Representatives.

Somchai said Pnet saw that a House dissolution would be the best way-out for the political crisis.

He said MPs should sacrifice for the country by resigning, and thus forcing the prime minister to dissolve the House.

The Nation

These guys have a good clean reputation too.

How many MP must resign to get the house dissolved?

Would it be enough if all Democrats MPs resign?

Well if all the oppostion MPs resigned it would create a constitutional headache but after the boycott not so long ago I amnot sure the Dems would be up for this now.

[paulfromphuket]

Well guys its POETS day again so i am going to contemplate a gin and tonic and see what the morrow brings

By The (pixx off early tomorrows Saterday) in case i confuse anyone.

[hammered]

Top lawmakers agree to launch mediation between Govt, PAD

House Speaker Chai Chidchob, Senate Speaker Prasopsuk Boondet and opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva reached an agreement Friday afternoon that a mediation is a best option to overcome the political deadlock between the government and its opposition movement led by the People's Alliance for Democracy.

The three held a crucial meeting to explore ideas to resolve the situation before spiralling out of control.

Abhisit said the three agree to name Prasopsuk as mediator to convince the government and the PAD to work out a conflict resolution.

Every party with House seats have agreed to instruct MPs to stop inflaming the situation in order to pave way for conducive atmosphere for a negotiated settlement, he said.

The Nation

Kudos here for trying too. Probably wont come to anything but good to see some peopel from across aisles working together

[sgtpeppers]

Referendum plan wins little support as Thai crisis drags

BANGKOK (AFP / 29 minutes ago) — Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej found little support Friday for his proposal to hold a referendum to resolve the stalemate with protesters who have occupied his offices for 11 days.

Samak has refused to step down or call snap elections, insisting that he would stay in office in order to defend democracy.

He has proposed holding a referendum to defuse the crisis, but critics slammed the plan, arguing that the balloting would only drag out the turmoil and risked sparking new violence like the clashes among rival protesters that left one of Samak's supporters dead early Tuesday.

Speaker of the Senate Prasobsook Boondech told reporters that organising a referendum would take at least one month.

"The problem of the country is immediate and needs to be resolved as quickly as possible," he said.

The opposition Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said on the website for the Thai Rath newspaper that the referendum would not resolve the stalemate.

He proposed that Samak dissolve parliament and call snap elections, something the premier has forcefully rejected.

Thailand's people are deeply divided by the protests, with one survey of 16 provinces showing 50 percent of respondents supported the movement.

Some things are worth fighting for. Haven't we gone overboard with this "avoid violence at all costs" idea? Yeah, violence sucks, but sometimes it's necessary. Are they gonna let the whole nation fall apart because they're afraid somebody might get hurt or die? Most free, democratic, stable nations in the world lost many lives in the pursuit of establishing their constitutional democracies.

They let the PAD sit in the months and months "'cause they were afraid of violence!"

They let the PAD take over the PM's office and govt house "cause they were afraid of violence!"

Now they don't want a referendum because it risks "sparking new violence".

Oh cry me a river!

Surround govt house with 50,000 unarmed soldiers, and starting from the outside of the crowd pick them up one by one and ship 'em away. Yeah, some fights might break out and somebody might even die! Is the chance of violence worth it? Yes it is.

oooooh, you MAN you!

Well, no reply for 4 hours. So I guess it's agreed. The police/army is over-sensitive to the possiblity of fighting. And maybe thats understandable given their bad reactions in the past couple 'o decades where they really did step over the line by just open firing on protesters.

Tear gas would certainly be acceptable. Last week when the mob tried to take over government police headquarters it just boggled my mind that people complained about the tear gas. Why did the police deny it? OF COURSE they should have used tear gas, for crying out loud!!!! What rational government in this world would NOT AT LEAST use tear gas if their police headquarters were in danger of being overrun???

That idea with the referendum is indeed a smart move, as it shows clear the weak point in the PAD pattern and force them to show face and their true goals - to change the system to shut up the majority.

A referendum, would clearly show that PAD is the minority and that all the stupid farmers are not as stupid as Sondi and Co think they are, only because they vote who cares at least a little for them.

Of course if they vote like the PADs wish - they would be all very, very smart.

Uhhh ......

maxi

Well, while I think the referendum is a smart move on his part as it puts off his need to do anything now and gives him a people's mandate vis a vis the PAD, I wouldn't go so far as to say it shows who is smart and who is stupid. Let's face it, this government has done little in the way of managing the country and has been focusing purely on political issues and survival. If people in the northeast think this is what a government should do, then yes by all means that is the way they should vote.

But OMR dont forget the village headmen will tell them that nasty Mr. Abhisit will cut all their manhoods off with a pair of shears if he gets to power and that we must all chant 6 doobries for 6 months a hundred times a day and rememeber it is only since that nasty Mr. Abhisist set the shadow cabinet up that the economy had failed and thirty baht health cards stopped working so well, and if Mr. Thaksin came back the price of rice would quadruple immediately and all those nice rice miller middlemen and money lenders who are all TRT MPs would not be forced by Mr. Abhisist to rip off every farmer and it is only a dreadful lie that Mr. Abhisit wants to let all rural kids compete education to first degree level fro free and we all know that Mr. Thaksin and Mr. Samak's little plan to stop all free rural education at M3 is the real way ahead because degrees dont grow rice and they dont teach you to wai your rural master properly and show respect to the local big name mafia family and after all that is what it is all about.........

So now now OMR dont go suggesting the rural poor dont make well informed decisions at elections. After all we all know they get lots of information.... on which to base their decisions

What is a doobrie?

In Brit Eng "a thing". Sometimes a thing you cant rememeber the name of. It could also refer to a male sex organ

I think thats called a "doobernackie"

[hammered]

Thai army disobeys PM's orders -- so what's new?

From Reuters: http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/id...-35315520080904

interesting little article

[blaze]

Thai army disobeys PM's orders -- so what's new?

From Reuters: http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/id...-35315520080904

interesting little article

and depressing

[h90]

Thai army disobeys PM's orders -- so what's new?

From Reuters: http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/id...-35315520080904

interesting little article

specially with the fact Samak tries to get power over the army now.

[permanent_disorder]

And again just in case people like Permanent Disorder are under any ullusions about what goes down here

Strikes me as the sort of man who thinks women don't have brains

i am not under illusions what's going on here. where are the flaws with TRTPPP, whats wrong with them and what they are guilty for.

but please explain me what makes you think that the PAD is the better team?

in many of my post i express my worries with the political agenda that comes with the PAD.

do you really know what the PAD are up to, what other messages they send out next to " ouk bai" ?

just look at this

To PAD watchers like Professor Prabhas Pintoptang of Chulalongkorn's faculty of political science, the coalition has been seen as planting structural hatred and division in society on a scale far worse than that ever achieved by the previous government under ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

In his interview with Thai Post last month, Prof Prabhas said the PAD had become ''an ultra-nationalist movement''.

He said the PAD was using the same demonisation tactics employed by the right-wing militia to crush the pro-democracy student movement in the mid-1970s, which ended in the lynching of student activists near Thammasat University on Oct 6, 1976.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/280808_News/28Aug2008_news13.php

you call my illusional? yeah, i know little, thats way i ask many questions to the PAD-pro team. to explain me their PAD. but i don't get so many answers, more or less zero. i don't need any furtur agitation how bad samak is. i know it. but that dosn't mean i have to team up with everybody who also dislike samak. carefully check them out, why they are and what are their motives. then ask myself how much we have in common and where i would strongly disagree. do you have done that?

what the PAD is up to. please explain.

sondhi is a ultra nationalist, right wing and occultist. on top of this a complete nutcase.

remember the rethoric at the time of the anti thaksin protest? thaksin main crime was not the corruption, but he dare to sell his company to singapore. he betrayed the proud nation, was doing business with foreigners. how he could do that? and the singaporean have been greedy foreigners looting the kingdom. so was the sondhi retoric. as a foreigner myself i would be better very sceptic what comes from this direction and i am be it since this time.

war against cambodia?

sondhi, beeing a nutcase also accused thaksin to use something like khmer black magic power, again only to betray the thai people with the help of this bad khmer people ( foreigners).

and just last month, the Preah Vihear Temple problem. but now it is samak who betray the thai people and steal from them (of course only as a thaksin proxy).

but for sondhi is no way that those khmer( foreigners) get alone the temple as a world heritage listing. much more worse those khmer ( foreigners) will also celebrate black magic to harm thailand in this temple - so action is necessary to get samak out to get the land around the tempel.

read here about sondhis vision of foreign politics:

http://www.prachatai.com/english/news.php?id=732

And then we would order the Defense Ministry to build a naval base at Koh Kut, deploy two battleships there, together with patrol ships, build a runway for F-16 aircraft, abolish the committee which oversees demarcation of overlapping sea areas, and officially declare our own marine map.

Cambodia would be hopping mad, but we would not bother because Cambodia would not have the nerve to fight us. They can make noises and threats because our own people are traitors. But if they see that Thai soldiers have a firm stand, the (new) Thai government has a firm stand, and the Thai people are ready to sacrifice their lives for sovereignty, they will back off.

sounds like sondhi thinks he win that war already but he speaks also about to close all borders and flight connection until the UNESCO follow sondhis order.

and in no way the PAD is a democratic or peaceful movement, nor they will care about those poor people you talking about.

what makes you think that? the opposite with their constitution idea of only 30% of the parliament elected your beloved average and less fortune citizen have also lesser influence.

sometimes PAD got compared with other social and peoples movement in the past. for example how people gain freedom in the communist states (but look also how lenin and stalin came to power)

and havn't been the fashist movements also peoples movement? how hitler rise to power, how goebbles was talking we must take over the street to win.

is the PAD a freedom movement? do they get suppressed, slain, throw in jail just because they demand humanity?

or do they delivery only hate speech and create szenarios for violence?

i distrust people with nationalist and xenophobic propaganda, with hate speech full of anger and calling the opponent subhumans, animals and their daughters prostitutes or play the envy card because they have money. after this they are surprise that they other are not open for talks.

just look at the sondhi speech to Preah Vihear. how diplomatic he set the basic and demands on his behalf and how much space he give the other side.

he just dictate, follow his orders, otherwise ....

[hammered]

Thai army disobeys PM's orders -- so what's new?

From Reuters: http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/id...-35315520080904

interesting little article

and depressing

Its all about what Thailand is; horses, jockeys and owners. Its just in a few years time will the relative value or psoition of each have changed? Being as vague as I can.

[scyriacus]

...you have dumb people everywhere, just look at this forum, even the dumber PAD BS gets supported.

whats wrong with vote selling anyway? ... why not sell my vote? it's my vote so i want rather sell it instead give away my vote for ...for free? selling is the only way to make profit, select a team by myself will don't change anything. and i am also sure in certain areas voter will sell to their favorite team only. you can not buy everything for money, selling BS on a saucer is much easier.

are you 'permanent_disorder'? aren't you?? so you take pleasure in calling people on this forum dumb 15h ago and your 'flaming' post is still here. and you postulate vote buying? and your promotion & appeal for crimes against democracy is still here, on this noble forum? maybe you feel supported by the powers to be? i am just disgusted! i don't buy your 'BS on a saucer'........

[Thai at Heart]

And again just in case people like Permanent Disorder are under any ullusions about what goes down here

Strikes me as the sort of man who thinks women don't have brains

i am not under illusions what's going on here. where are the flaws with TRTPPP, whats wrong with them and what they are guilty for.

but please explain me what makes you think that the PAD is the better team?

in many of my post i express my worries with the political agenda that comes with the PAD.

do you really know what the PAD are up to, what other messages they send out next to " ouk bai" ?

just look at this

To PAD watchers like Professor Prabhas Pintoptang of Chulalongkorn's faculty of political science, the coalition has been seen as planting structural hatred and division in society on a scale far worse than that ever achieved by the previous government under ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

In his interview with Thai Post last month, Prof Prabhas said the PAD had become ''an ultra-nationalist movement''.

He said the PAD was using the same demonisation tactics employed by the right-wing militia to crush the pro-democracy student movement in the mid-1970s, which ended in the lynching of student activists near Thammasat University on Oct 6, 1976.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/280808_News/28Aug2008_news13.php

you call my illusional? yeah, i know little, thats way i ask many questions to the PAD-pro team. to explain me their PAD. but i don't get so many answers, more or less zero. i don't need any furtur agitation how bad samak is. i know it. but that dosn't mean i have to team up with everybody who also dislike samak. carefully check them out, why they are and what are their motives. then ask myself how much we have in common and where i would strongly disagree. do you have done that?

what the PAD is up to. please explain.

sondhi is a ultra nationalist, right wing and occultist. on top of this a complete nutcase.

remember the rethoric at the time of the anti thaksin protest? thaksin main crime was not the corruption, but he dare to sell his company to singapore. he betrayed the proud nation, was doing business with foreigners. how he could do that? and the singaporean have been greedy foreigners looting the kingdom. so was the sondhi retoric. as a foreigner myself i would be better very sceptic what comes from this direction and i am be it since this time.

war against cambodia?

sondhi, beeing a nutcase also accused thaksin to use something like khmer black magic power, again only to betray the thai people with the help of this bad khmer people ( foreigners).

and just last month, the Preah Vihear Temple problem. but now it is samak who betray the thai people and steal from them (of course only as a thaksin proxy).

but for sondhi is no way that those khmer( foreigners) get alone the temple as a world heritage listing. much more worse those khmer ( foreigners) will also celebrate black magic to harm thailand in this temple - so action is necessary to get samak out to get the land around the tempel.

read here about sondhis vision of foreign politics:

http://www.prachatai.com/english/news.php?id=732

And then we would order the Defense Ministry to build a naval base at Koh Kut, deploy two battleships there, together with patrol ships, build a runway for F-16 aircraft, abolish the committee which oversees demarcation of overlapping sea areas, and officially declare our own marine map.

Cambodia would be hopping mad, but we would not bother because Cambodia would not have the nerve to fight us. They can make noises and threats because our own people are traitors. But if they see that Thai soldiers have a firm stand, the (new) Thai government has a firm stand, and the Thai people are ready to sacrifice their lives for sovereignty, they will back off.

sounds like sondhi thinks he win that war already but he speaks also about to close all borders and flight connection until the UNESCO follow sondhis order.

and in no way the PAD is a democratic or peaceful movement, nor they will care about those poor people you talking about.

what makes you think that? the opposite with their constitution idea of only 30% of the parliament elected your beloved average and less fortune citizen have also lesser influence.

sometimes PAD got compared with other social and peoples movement in the past. for example how people gain freedom in the communist states (but look also how lenin and stalin came to power)

and havn't been the fashist movements also peoples movement? how hitler rise to power, how goebbles was talking we must take over the street to win.

is the PAD a freedom movement? do they get suppressed, slain, throw in jail just because they demand humanity?

or do they delivery only hate speech and create szenarios for violence?

i distrust people with nationalist and xenophobic propaganda, with hate speech full of anger and calling the opponent subhumans, animals and their daughters prostitutes or play the envy card because they have money. after this they are surprise that they other are not open for talks.

just look at the sondhi speech to Preah Vihear. how diplomatic he set the basic and demands on his behalf and how much space he give the other side.

he just dictate, follow his orders, otherwise ....

Scary isn't it. Even more scary that people are actually thinking to debate his ideas. He holds the country to ransom, and forces the people of the day to debate as though he has some amazing solution.

[sabaijai]

Scarier than Samak, a leader on record as having advocated and condoned violence?

In 1976 as interior minister, Samak used his radio programme to stir up hatred against student demonstrators at Thammasat University, intentionally disobeying the Prime Minister's orders to "stop creating divisiveness." In defending the return of dictator Field Marshal Thanom over the radio, Samak told listeners that students demonstrating against the dictator's return were 'committing suicide'.

Flash forward to the aftermath of the 1991 coup. As Deputy Prime Minister in General Suchinda's junta, Samak justified the military's brutal suppression of pro-democracy demonstrators by declaring that the government had the right to do so as long as the United States could send troops to kill people in other countries.

[kurtgruen]

Scarier than Samak, a leader on record as having advocated and condoned violence?

In 1976 as interior minister, Samak used his radio programme to stir up hatred against student demonstrators at Thammasat University, intentionally disobeying the Prime Minister's orders to "stop creating divisiveness." In defending the return of dictator Field Marshal Thanom over the radio, Samak told listeners that students demonstrating against the dictator's return were 'committing suicide'.

Flash forward to the aftermath of the 1991 coup. As Deputy Prime Minister in General Suchinda's junta, Samak justified the military's brutal suppression of pro-democracy demonstrators by declaring that the government had the right to do so as long as the United States could send troops to kill people in other countries.

Thank you for adding some facts to all this.

[scyriacus]

Your suggestions are VERY dangerous ! how can discussion ever be dangerous? more dangerous is no discusion at all!

1. banning people who sold votes means you have to ban people who accepted them too and that would be a large majority of the Thai people. That does not mean I agree with vote selling/buying. But you have to reform from within the system, not ban people.

banning the many poor uneducated vote sellers is useless. ban the about 500 wicked rich vote buyers and you are much better off.

2. Setting MINIMUM education standards for voting rights is plain right DISCRIMINATION Sir ! It's the same as discriminating more than 3 Billion people in Asia and seal their mouths because they didn't have proper eduction, for whatever reason...

"for whatever reason"....i can tell you the reason: big business, arms & weapons dealers and corrupt politicians.

3. And..WHO the heck is Sondhi .....agree 100%

[Thai at Heart]

Scarier than Samak, a leader on record as having advocated and condoned violence?

In 1976 as interior minister, Samak used his radio programme to stir up hatred against student demonstrators at Thammasat University, intentionally disobeying the Prime Minister's orders to "stop creating divisiveness." In defending the return of dictator Field Marshal Thanom over the radio, Samak told listeners that students demonstrating against the dictator's return were 'committing suicide'.

Flash forward to the aftermath of the 1991 coup. As Deputy Prime Minister in General Suchinda's junta, Samak justified the military's brutal suppression of pro-democracy demonstrators by declaring that the government had the right to do so as long as the United States could send troops to kill people in other countries.

As for blatant divisive propaganda, this must take the biscuit

http://www.prachatai.com/english/news.php?id=789

During the first 25 days of the rally, the PAD received 26 million baht and paid 24 million, according to the PAD’s coordinator Suriyasai Katasila. During the three months, the PAD has sold 90,000 ‘Patriotic Chinese Descendants’ t-shirts for 25 million baht, according to political scientist and Sondhi Limthongkul’s close associate Chai-Anan Samudavanija. And after the Government House siege, the PAD has 6.6 million baht remaining in its bank accounts, plus gold worth 1,056,000 baht, according to one of the PAD’s leaders, Chamlong Srimuang.

[permanent_disorder]

But OMR dont forget the village headmen will tell them that nasty Mr. Abhisit will cut all their manhoods off with a pair of shears if he gets to power and that we must all chant 6 doobries for 6 months a hundred times a day and rememeber it is only since that nasty Mr. Abhisist set the shadow cabinet up that the economy had failed and thirty baht health cards stopped working so well, and if Mr. Thaksin came back the price of rice would quadruple immediately and all those nice rice miller middlemen and money lenders who are all TRT MPs would not be forced by Mr. Abhisist to rip off every farmer and it is only a dreadful lie that Mr. Abhisit wants to let all rural kids compete education to first degree level fro free and we all know that Mr. Thaksin and Mr. Samak's little plan to stop all free rural education at M3 is the real way ahead because degrees dont grow rice and they dont teach you to wai your rural master properly and show respect to the local big name mafia family and after all that is what it is all about.........

So now now OMR dont go suggesting the rural poor dont make well informed decisions at elections. After all we all know they get lots of information.... on which to base their decisions

thats why free press and media is so important, so PAD sondhi can tell everybody the real truth. that this disgusting thaksin use black magic khmer power to betray and hurt thailand and steal the peoples money(=don't give sondhi money).

and the much more true truth about samak, that just because he goes along with a UNESCO decission he is the subhuman animal from all. isn't all clear and true that samak just helps thaksin so thaksin can damage, hurt and betray thailand with nasty black magic khmer rituals.

smash those betrayer on thai blood, smash those dirty greedy capitalist and all their devil helpers from foreign countries and smash those pig foreigners anyway, the enemy of the thai blood.

and of course, because the enemies keep telling lies we need the army in the democratic process. it's also evident that thaksin voters are uneducated, so tthey should not be allowed to vote. we will point ou the leaders for them.

hail sonhi, hail PAD, hail to the new war.

who are they to tear down the goverment?