State Of Emergency Announced In Bangkok

[sriracha john]

Some of these posters are denying the reality of the situation.

Sondhi and his illegal band of thugs were armed to the teeth long before AAD showed up:

LOL... thanks for that one, I had never before seen an oar being described as "armed to the teeth"... usually those description refer to firearms or at least something more like this...

Edited September 9, 2008 by sriracha john

[sriracha john]

i think its interesting to see the mood swing away from pad.

Taksin was a thief of that there is no doubt, but so was robin hood.

I wasn't aware that Robin Hood kept 95% of the takings for himself.

Edited September 9, 2008 by sriracha john

[Artisi]

The PAD armed thugs took over the NBT station with semi-automatic weapons, clubs, golf clubs ect. and many had drugs on them. This happened before the illegal take over of the Government House and before the DAAD ralley. You don't have any idea what you are talking about.

Hi

I still don't believe those were actual PAD members. Why in the world would THAT group be heavily armed, while the whole rest of PAD didn't even have a wooden stick on them??

Ever heard the term "setup"? All they (government/DAAD) have/had to do is send their own, in yellow t-shirts, to create some highly public chaos and destruction and voila, everyone thinks it was actually PAD. Well, i do NOT think so.

Thanh

Some people belive in Santa Claus as well - except he isn't armed when he visits your house.

[sriracha john]

He wants to take away the fundamental right in every single democracy: the right to vote ![/color][/b]

Do you have a quote for that?

[Thanh-BKK]

The Government house is public property , so why shouldn't they be there? You have got to be joking. As a US citizen do I have the right to go sleep in the White House with George Bush? Can I go break down the door of the US Capital and live in it? Can I break down the door to Fort Knox and sit on the money because I am a citizen? There is no excuse for what the PAD has done. They have every right to protest as they were doing before but have now gone way over the line in breaking the law.

Ok so you're zeroing in on my posts, thank you for the attention, i feel flattered. Does the PPP issue you at least a pay slip or do they pay under the table? Do you need a work permit to be the official party representative on foreign-language web forums?? Why do you think that because someone believes people should not break the law they are for the PPP? If PPP has broken laws they should be removed by the courts in accordance with Thai law.

Agree. However PPP can (and WILL) amend the laws so they (PPP) are "untouchable" and hence can't be held responsible and/or pardon themselves.

Ok to address the (very valid) points: Does Samak (or any other government official for that matter) actually LIVE in the government house? Are PAD actually IN the building?? I don't think so on both accounts. The PAD is inside the Government house also. You are the first one who ever mentions that. Got any evidence? That are two of the differences between the White House and the Thai government house. Of course it takes a German to tell an American about that

The Capital. Again, did the PAD break any doors/windows of the actual building, and are they inside the building? As far as i know (without having been at the site) they only camp/sit-in on the land IN FRONT OF the building. As I already stated they are inside. They got in by breaking the locks. Again, you are the only one mentioning that. As far as i know (and as seen on television), they are only in the compound, occupying the land in front of the building.

Fort Knox. Are all of Thailand's gold reserves, or any other central monetary items, located inside the government house? Again i don't think so, for lack of armed guards.

Now if YOU want to protest, and you manage to gather a large enough group to actually form a valid protest mass (one man with a banner is likely ineffective), where would YOU stage your protest? In the driveway of your home? On your balcony? Or somewhere where the public can actually see you? Or, even better, where the party you're protesting against can actually see you and SUFFER from your protest? Because that's the whole point of protesting now, or isn't it? The PAD had been protesting since May without breaking the law in plenty of public places which is fine with me. When they broke into NBT and the Government house is what I disagree with. NBT, in my opinion, that was NOT the PAD but a setup - all you need is DAAD/PPP guys in yellow shirts creating some havoc and the world thinks it's "the evil PAD". How come THAT group was heavily armed while the rest of the PAD was not??

Now i don't need an American (or anyone for that matter) to tell me that i don't know what i'm talking about. I am actually pretty well informed on what i am talking about, which is the reason why i don't contribute all that much to this topic - if i don't know something i keep my mouth shut and my keyboard silent. However i have a Thai person sitting beside me who has a number of work colleagues that actually joined PAD's protests and therefor ther's some insider knowledge available. I am sure getting your info. from PAD supporters they are giving you a non-partisan view of events. My information comes from a number of local and international news sites, including ThaiVisa of course, and including both NBT and ASTV television channels. Oh, and yes, also from people that actually been to the site While YOU probably have all your news from television (NBT, yes?) or from the bar you frequent the most (not that that was a bad thing, but information tends to be a little one-sided there). The news from any source shows PAD breaking the law. Correct. So does any source talking about Thaksin/TRT/Samak/PPP.

Oh, b the way io fully and whole-heartedly agree with you that PAD are breaking the laws, a whole bunch of laws in fact. HOWEVER THEIR breaking those laws does NOT cost the Thai public billions and billions of Baht - while that law-breaking of TRT/Thaksin/PPP/Samak DOES. And i personally DO prefer a "little law breaking with small damage" over a "huge law breaking with huge damage". And - sometimes it takes small criminals to uproot larger criminals, SPECIALLY when the large criminals have the possibility to pardon themselves by amending laws. The SET has lost 1.5 trillion baht since PAD started their protest in May. The tourism sector has lost billions of baht also. Ok you got me there - i don't care about stock markets and hence don't know jack about them. The "tourism sector" i don't believe, plain and simple - as similar statements have been made every single time the visa rules have been tightened or a bomb went off in the south or Sukhumvit road got flooded. Remember when they scrapped the 30-day-stamps ad infinitum? Everyone said "this will KILL tourism". Has it? Neither has (or will) PAD's protest.

Best regards.....

Thanh

By the way, i am not to shy to tell you where I stand politically - i would NEITHER support PPP nor PAD. I don't even support "democracy" as in it's true form it is impossible to form a government with it - in true democracy, everyone has their own opinion and the right to fight for it. So you got approx. 60 Million people each with their own ideas. How to run a country on that?? And as soon as you do a coalition, a certain percentage of voters does NOT get what they voted for - and it's already no longer democracy.

For me, i'm a communist by heart. If only human beings wouldn't be so obsessed with personal gains, it would work. "Buddhism" and "communism" go hand-in-hand nicely. Think about it

Best regards.....

Thanh

[JoeInSurin]

The PAD armed thugs took over the NBT station with semi-automatic weapons, clubs, golf clubs ect. and many had drugs on them. This happened before the illegal take over of the Government House and before the DAAD ralley. You don't have any idea what you are talking about.

Hi

I still don't believe those were actual PAD members. Why in the world would THAT group be heavily armed, while the whole rest of PAD didn't even have a wooden stick on them??

Ever heard the term "setup"? All they (government/DAAD) have/had to do is send their own, in yellow t-shirts, to create some highly public chaos and destruction and voila, everyone thinks it was actually PAD. Well, i do NOT think so.

Thanh

Sondhi has already acknowledged they were PAD supporters. Is he part of your conspiracy theory also?

[JoeInSurin]

The Government house is public property , so why shouldn't they be there? You have got to be joking. As a US citizen do I have the right to go sleep in the White House with George Bush? Can I go break down the door of the US Capital and live in it? Can I break down the door to Fort Knox and sit on the money because I am a citizen? There is no excuse for what the PAD has done. They have every right to protest as they were doing before but have now gone way over the line in breaking the law.

Ok so you're zeroing in on my posts, thank you for the attention, i feel flattered. Does the PPP issue you at least a pay slip or do they pay under the table? Do you need a work permit to be the official party representative on foreign-language web forums?? Why do you think that because someone believes people should not break the law they are for the PPP? If PPP has broken laws they should be removed by the courts in accordance with Thai law.

Agree. However PPP can (and WILL) amend the laws so they (PPP) are "untouchable" and hence can't be held responsible and/or pardon themselves.

Ok to address the (very valid) points: Does Samak (or any other government official for that matter) actually LIVE in the government house? Are PAD actually IN the building?? I don't think so on both accounts. The PAD is inside the Government house also. You are the first one who ever mentions that. Got any evidence? That are two of the differences between the White House and the Thai government house. Of course it takes a German to tell an American about that

The Capital. Again, did the PAD break any doors/windows of the actual building, and are they inside the building? As far as i know (without having been at the site) they only camp/sit-in on the land IN FRONT OF the building. As I already stated they are inside. They got in by breaking the locks. Again, you are the only one mentioning that. As far as i know (and as seen on television), they are only in the compound, occupying the land in front of the building.

Fort Knox. Are all of Thailand's gold reserves, or any other central monetary items, located inside the government house? Again i don't think so, for lack of armed guards.

Now if YOU want to protest, and you manage to gather a large enough group to actually form a valid protest mass (one man with a banner is likely ineffective), where would YOU stage your protest? In the driveway of your home? On your balcony? Or somewhere where the public can actually see you? Or, even better, where the party you're protesting against can actually see you and SUFFER from your protest? Because that's the whole point of protesting now, or isn't it? The PAD had been protesting since May without breaking the law in plenty of public places which is fine with me. When they broke into NBT and the Government house is what I disagree with. NBT, in my opinion, that was NOT the PAD but a setup - all you need is DAAD/PPP guys in yellow shirts creating some havoc and the world thinks it's "the evil PAD". How come THAT group was heavily armed while the rest of the PAD was not??

Now i don't need an American (or anyone for that matter) to tell me that i don't know what i'm talking about. I am actually pretty well informed on what i am talking about, which is the reason why i don't contribute all that much to this topic - if i don't know something i keep my mouth shut and my keyboard silent. However i have a Thai person sitting beside me who has a number of work colleagues that actually joined PAD's protests and therefor ther's some insider knowledge available. I am sure getting your info. from PAD supporters they are giving you a non-partisan view of events. My information comes from a number of local and international news sites, including ThaiVisa of course, and including both NBT and ASTV television channels. Oh, and yes, also from people that actually been to the site While YOU probably have all your news from television (NBT, yes?) or from the bar you frequent the most (not that that was a bad thing, but information tends to be a little one-sided there). The news from any source shows PAD breaking the law. Correct. So does any source talking about Thaksin/TRT/Samak/PPP.

Oh, b the way io fully and whole-heartedly agree with you that PAD are breaking the laws, a whole bunch of laws in fact. HOWEVER THEIR breaking those laws does NOT cost the Thai public billions and billions of Baht - while that law-breaking of TRT/Thaksin/PPP/Samak DOES. And i personally DO prefer a "little law breaking with small damage" over a "huge law breaking with huge damage". And - sometimes it takes small criminals to uproot larger criminals, SPECIALLY when the large criminals have the possibility to pardon themselves by amending laws. The SET has lost 1.5 trillion baht since PAD started their protest in May. The tourism sector has lost billions of baht also. Ok you got me there - i don't care about stock markets and hence don't know jack about them. The "tourism sector" i don't believe, plain and simple - as similar statements have been made every single time the visa rules have been tightened or a bomb went off in the south or Sukhumvit road got flooded. Remember when they scrapped the 30-day-stamps ad infinitum? Everyone said "this will KILL tourism". Has it? Neither has (or will) PAD's protest.

Best regards.....

Thanh

By the way, i am not to shy to tell you where I stand politically - i would NEITHER support PPP nor PAD. I don't even support "democracy" as in it's true form it is impossible to form a government with it - in true democracy, everyone has their own opinion and the right to fight for it. So you got approx. 60 Million people each with their own ideas. How to run a country on that?? And as soon as you do a coalition, a certain percentage of voters does NOT get what they voted for - and it's already no longer democracy.

For me, i'm a communist by heart. If only human beings wouldn't be so obsessed with personal gains, it would work. "Buddhism" and "communism" go hand-in-hand nicely. Think about it

Best regards.....

Thanh

I also am not for the PPP or the PAD. If you are "communist at heart" then I see why you like the PAD.

[ozzydom]

If the Court decision due today in the case against Samak for contravening the Constitution laws goes against him,where does that leave the present situation .

Evidentally a guilty decision requires that he and his entire cabinet must step down.

[sriracha john]

If the Court decision due today in the case against Samak for contravening the Constitution laws goes against him,where does that leave the present situation .

Evidentally a guilty decision requires that he and his entire cabinet must step down.

The PPP have already revealed what their plans are...

They said the same 17 days ago as well, except it was a different mouthpiece then...

again, the precedent was set with Chaiya's reincarnation...

One of the problems with electing a criminal rioting gang leader like Jatuporn as an MP...

"There's nothing wrong with breaking rules"...

It's the same, same as Chaiya's return to the Samak Cabinet after he was thrown off of it by the courts...

PPP plan to vote Samak back in as PM

PPP MPs say they will re-elect Samak Sundaravej as PM if the Constitution Court disqualifies him from the position over his hosting of cooking shows on commercial television. The constitution prohibits a prime minister from holding any position in a partnership, company or an organisation involved in business with a view to sharing profits or income, or being an employee of any other person. If he is found guilty by the court, he will be stripped of the prime ministership. But PPP MP Jatuporn Promphan said yesterday the party will simply use its numbers in the House to vote him back into the position. Samak is accused of violating the constitution by hosting the cooking programs. Samak is scheduled to defend himself before the court on Sept 8. Jatuporn said party MPs would vote to reinstate Samak as head of the government if he is disqualified.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.net/220808_News/22Aug2008_news10.php

[sriracha john]

apparently Reuters is unaware of the PPP Plan...

Thai PM vows to fight on despite court threat

Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej has vowed not to resign or dissolve parliament ahead of a court ruling that could force him from power in less than 24 hours.

"I declare that I will not dissolve parliament. I will not quit. I will fight on," the 73-year-old told thousands of cheering supporters in the north-eastern town of Udon Thani, stronghold of his ruling People Power Party (PPP).

"This government has done nothing wrong," he said.

Despite his defiance, it could be one of his last speeches as leader. *or maybe not as per above*

Thailand's Constitutional Court will rule at 2:00pm on Tuesday (local time) whether Samak broke the law by hosting television cooking shows while in office.

If found guilty of conflict of interest, he will have to step down along with his cabinet, *ditto* satisfying the demands of protesters from the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) barricaded inside his official compound for the past two weeks demanding he quit.

Senior figures inside the seven-month-old administration are braced for the worst.

The speed with which the court processed the cooking show case surprised insiders and analysts, although speculation has been mounting about the courts finding a short-term solution to the stalemate over the PAD's occupation of Government House.

The tension spilt over into bloodshed last week when a man was killed in a street battle between pro- and anti-government groups, triggering the declaration of a state of emergency that the highly politicised army chose to ignore.

A ruling against Samak could lift Thai shares, traders said. The main index rose 3.08 per cent on Monday, but still lagged behind other Asian markets.

The constitution bans the Prime Minister and cabinet ministers from working for profit-oriented private entities.

The embattled prime minister appeared in court on Monday, denying he was paid a salary by a private media company to do the shows Tasting, Grumbling and Touring at 6am.

"I was hired, but not their employee," Samak told the court in a televised hearing. *double-speak from the double-helpings eater*

He gave up hosting the shows in April, more than two months after he was sworn in as prime minister.

The case stems from a complaint made by senators on May 25, the day the PAD launched its street campaign against Mr Samak.

Whatever its outcome, the ruling is unlikely to resolve the deep political divisions that have riven Thailand for the past three years.

Some analysts say he may even be able to return as prime minister. *we can only hope he can't at this point*

- Reuters / 2008-09-09

Edited September 9, 2008 by sriracha john

[Nampeung]

Lao Po u are completly out of touch regarding the situation with the rural 'poor' and their relationship with the government. I can't believe you can be so naieve. You are defending the people in the poorer areas who have no education and are being PAID by the ruling party to vote... how silly are you ?

Edited September 9, 2008 by Nampeung

[jayjayjayjay]

It seems to me a lot of people here are missing the point about the current conflict. This is not a battle against Thaksin, Samak, the PPP or the TRT.

It is a battle where by a minority want to overturn a democratic system in favour of a grossly socially inequitable feudalistic form of government.

Thailand is a corrupt country relative to western democracies. It is a developing democracy moving from a feudal system through an absolute Monarchy to a democratic Monarchy. There will be winners and losers in such a change. However, the power-brokers of today wish to turn back the clock to a more archaic form of government which is generally not accepted in western countries which have already undergone this political evolutionary process in past centuries.

The sins of Samak or Thaksin are not an issue here. They can be dealt with by the courts. What really is at stake here is Thailands future as a developing democracy and its future in developing from a basically third world country into a modern economic world partner.

Its far too easy (and emotive I would add) to focus on the politically "hot" topics of the day and to not see the bigger picture.

It is a battle against Samak and Thaksin and nothing else.

In this case you are inferring that should the PPP be still running the country as an elected government, without these 2 people in a position of power, then the PAD would disband and go home. Don't you think there is just a slight possibility that the PAD would decry the next leader to be a puppet of the 2 former leaders?

You are predicting that without these 2 on the scene the protests would end in total tomorrow. Can you honestly say that you believe that?

Of course the PPP is no party it is a vehicle for Thaksin. And the PPP is anyhow on the way to get dissolved due to their election fraud. So you can hardly argue that they are democratic elected, it is just a bunch of criminals. Or do you know the ideology of this "party", are the socialists, communists, liberal, fascists or what?

So in other words if the PPP regroup under a different name and without Samak as the leader there will still be protests from the PAD. Right or wrong?

there will be the same criminals so I am sure they will protest again as soon as they do something that harms Thailand.

If they regroup with different, good people....than not.....but that is not probable.

CMSally, there is no argument with H90. He/She is a democrate and would not support anybody else in government. I would support them as well if I believed they could move the country forward better than they did last time. Chuan Leapai was a puppet for nobody, but he was also as useless as an oily rag in a dust storm. Democrates have not reinvented themselves enough to gain my support, but with 20% of there top tier gone ie Suthep etc then I believe them to be a superior option. In the mean time, I feel Thaksin's years need some defending as Sonthi L. is self serving for his manager business group, Major Gen Chamlong is so far off the beating track he should have stayed in the forest and the rest of PAD are idealistic artists and NGO's that really don't care about grass root health and welfare being provided by a government, but think governemts should just be nice honest people (give me a break!).

[AlKing]

It seems that the PAD did see the danger.

From a speech

Thaksin Shinawatra, leader of Thai Rak Thai Party,

speech at Sanam Luang, 4 February 20051

(translated by Chris Baker and Pasuk Phongpaichit)

http://pioneer.netserv.chula.ac.th/~ppasuk...lection2005.pdf

Since we have had a couple of weeks of Sondhi and Samak, lets get to the root of the problem.

"We will negotiate with the expressways and introduce computer

systems to help, so paying the toll will be quick, just easily deducted from a bank account,

not collecting 40 baht each time which is annoying and expensive. We'll make the

expressway tolls very cheap.

I will build more sport stadiums and more parks. There will be places to exercise in

the morning everywhere. Wherever there's a public space, let me know. I've done it

everywhere under the expressway already. Bangkok municipality didn't do it, I did it

myself. No matter, I can find the money myself. And schools will be turned into good

schools, and all close to home, so there's no need to travel a long way."

Sounds very funny coming from a man whose son was caught with a cheat sheet at his mid-term university exam.

Lety's not forget his daughter's grade, too low for the admission exam in another universitythat brought embarassment onto itself by lowering the passing grades after receiving orders to do so

Narcissism at it's best.

That's exactly why Thaksin wants to reform the schooling system. His children have gone through the current system and it proves that it doesn't work. If the current education is good enough, why reform. You see where I a getting at?

[cmsally]

An interesting eye witness account of 29 Aug at PAD site

New Mandala

[LaoPo]

Lao Po u are completly out of touch regarding the situation with the rural 'poor' and their relationship with the government. I can't believe you can be so naieve. You are defending the people in the poorer areas who have no education and are being PAID by the ruling party to vote... how silly are you ?

Am I really silly Mrs Nampeung. ? you dare to call me silly of all people ?

"They -the key PAD leaders, in particular Sondhi Limthongkul and Chamlong Srimuang- have now refined their argument to propose rural voters in Thailand are too poorly educated to be allowed to elect a parliament, and that it should be a largely appointed body instead." *

Now, I will repeat my question:

What's better for the rural poor ?

1. to get paid and be able to vote (or not, because nobody checks)

OR

2. not to get paid AND not being able anymore to vote as this nice Mr. PAD proposes because he thinks the rural poor are too poorly educated.

Is there anything at all Mrs. Nampeung which could possibly insult the poor a little more; what do YOU think ?

* http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7584369.stm

LaoPo

[Plus]

The vaguaries of "New Politics" simply do not matter anyway. It is the underlying concept that is so hard to swallow - rural voters have too much power with respect to who gets into the House ...

Rural voters have no power to decide who gets into the House. Decisions are made by Bangkok party hierarchy and enforced by their local pooyais.

That's the reality either in the North or the South.

[AlKing]

No need to pay tax when buying and selling in stock market. Isn't it the rule?

You are right K0082. No need to pay tax. Stock brokers also do what they call "big lot put-through" after the market closes at 1 baht / share (even if the share cost 200 baht each) . That is the standard practice, to save on commission.

Unluckly for Thaksin, he must be the only one that needs to pay tax. I have no sympathy though, since he is so rich.

Also, moving asset amoung rich chinese (and Indian) family member to avaoid tax is a common thing in Thailand. Just look at the share holding is SET website (just pick any large family run business). Most of the shares are held by wife, chirdren, cousin, in-law, etc. However, in Thaksin case, using the servants and drivers, gardeners as proxy is a little on the extreme. Good on him.

[AlKing]

Lao Po u are completly out of touch regarding the situation with the rural 'poor' and their relationship with the government. I can't believe you can be so naieve. You are defending the people in the poorer areas who have no education and are being PAID by the ruling party to vote... how silly are you ?

Am I really silly Mrs Nampeung. ? you dare to call me silly of all people ?

"They -the key PAD leaders, in particular Sondhi Limthongkul and Chamlong Srimuang- have now refined their argument to propose rural voters in Thailand are too poorly educated to be allowed to elect a parliament, and that it should be a largely appointed body instead." *

Now, I will repeat my question:

What's better for the rural poor ?

1. to get paid and be able to vote (or not, because nobody checks)

OR

2. not to get paid AND not being able anymore to vote as this nice Mr. PAD proposes because he thinks the rural poor are too poorly educated.

Is there anything at all Mrs. Nampeung which could possibly insult the poor a little more; what do YOU think ?

* http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7584369.stm

LaoPo

I hope the above link is not intentionally put up with hidden addenda in the background. This kind of thing is best avoided in Thailand especially in this forum. Simply not allowed.

[LaoPo]

Lao Po u are completly out of touch regarding the situation with the rural 'poor' and their relationship with the government. I can't believe you can be so naieve. You are defending the people in the poorer areas who have no education and are being PAID by the ruling party to vote... how silly are you ?

Am I really silly Mrs Nampeung. ? you dare to call me silly of all people ?

"They -the key PAD leaders, in particular Sondhi Limthongkul and Chamlong Srimuang- have now refined their argument to propose rural voters in Thailand are too poorly educated to be allowed to elect a parliament, and that it should be a largely appointed body instead." *

Now, I will repeat my question:

What's better for the rural poor ?

1. to get paid and be able to vote (or not, because nobody checks)

OR

2. not to get paid AND not being able anymore to vote as this nice Mr. PAD proposes because he thinks the rural poor are too poorly educated.

Is there anything at all Mrs. Nampeung which could possibly insult the poor a little more; what do YOU think ?

* http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7584369.stm

LaoPo

I hope the above link is not intentionally put up with hidden addenda in the background. This kind of thing is best avoided in Thailand especially in this forum. Simply not allowed.

LaoPo

[WISteve]

Some of these posters are denying the reality of the situation.

Sondhi and his illegal band of thugs were armed to the teeth long before AAD showed up:

LOL... thanks for that one, I had never before seen an oar being described as "armed to the teeth"... usually those description refer to firearms or at least something more like this...

I'm sure you would be equally amused if the PAD thugs smacked you on the head with it SJ?

Big knives make good photos but the story line someone was trying to give us is that the band of thugs who took over Government House were unarmed, peaceful protesters.

There are hundreds of media pictures out there that show they were anything but unarmed or peaceful.

There are firsthand reports from Bloomberg and other reporters the night of the confrontation of bullets flying by them coming from the Government House toward the AAD mob.

PAD is for the most part armed and paid by the royalist/military/Bangkok elite who wish to overthrow an elected government and install their own henchmen to continue looting the government. Anything else is just fluff to disguise their motives.

~WISteve

[sriracha john]

Some of these posters are denying the reality of the situation.

Sondhi and his illegal band of thugs were armed to the teeth long before AAD showed up:

LOL... thanks for that one, I had never before seen an oar being described as "armed to the teeth"... usually those description refer to firearms or at least something more like this...

There are firsthand reports from Bloomberg and other reporters the night of the confrontation of bullets flying by them coming from the Government House toward the AAD mob.

Could you please provide some of those?

[Thanh-BKK]

PAD is for the most part armed and paid by the royalist/military/Bangkok elite who wish to overthrow an elected government

~WISteve

Nope.

They are trying to overthrow a government that was APPOINTED by a party that BOUGHT IT'S WAY IN, having been paid by the crook who was kicked out previously and using money that was STOLEN from the THAI PEOPLE.

Best regards....

Thanh

[cmsally]

A follow up to the New Mandala link I posted:

Nation - Generals Rambo and Ridiculous

[sriracha john]

Yet another one of the criminal litigant PM's cases comes to fruition...

Court case threatens PM's UN trip

PM Samak yesterday asked the Appeals Court to postpone the reading of the verdict on his appeal in a defamation case, only to find he would have to appear before the court to find out for himself if his request was granted. The PM sought the postponement because he would be attending the United Nations General Assembly and would not be able to turn up to hear the verdict, scheduled for Sept 25. In his petition, the PM said he would be leaving Thailand on Sept 21 and returning on Sept 27. The court agreed that it will announce on Sept 25 if his petition, lodged by his lawyer Prachum Thongmee, will be granted. The court's order means if Samak fails to show up in court it will have to put off the reading of the verdict for 30 days, and an arrest warrant will be issued to force him to appear in court to hear the verdict. Samak has been accused, along with Dusit Siriwan, of defaming former deputy Bangkok governor Samart Ratchapolsitte on television between Jan 12 and Jan 19, 2006. On the shows the two made comments implying Mr Samart bought a 7 Series BMW with a kickback he received from a construction firm. The court gave each of them a 24-month jail term, with no suspension. Both filed

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=130510

[WISteve]

Some of these posters are denying the reality of the situation.

Sondhi and his illegal band of thugs were armed to the teeth long before AAD showed up:

LOL... thanks for that one, I had never before seen an oar being described as "armed to the teeth"... usually those description refer to firearms or at least something more like this...

There are firsthand reports from Bloomberg and other reporters the night of the confrontation of bullets flying by them coming from the Government House toward the AAD mob.

Could you please provide some of those?

There was a link to it in this or the other string the night of the confrontation. I was online and reading TV at the time and back in the States. I'm in LOS now and have better things to do, but if you follow the time line of the mob on mob confrontation ( I don't remember the date to be honest) I saw it on TV.

~WISteve

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It was a Straits Times journalist that reported on bullets coming from PAD side.

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It was a Straits Times journalist that reported on bullets coming from PAD side.

Thank you. I just found it on TV here: on the scene report

He was with a Bloomberg reporter that night.

Re-posted by Davee58 about 2/3 of the way down the page.

~WISteve

Edited September 9, 2008 by WISteve

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Some of these posters are denying the reality of the situation.

Sondhi and his illegal band of thugs were armed to the teeth long before AAD showed up:

LOL... thanks for that one, I had never before seen an oar being described as "armed to the teeth"... usually those description refer to firearms or at least something more like this...

There are firsthand reports from Bloomberg and other reporters the night of the confrontation of bullets flying by them coming from the Government House toward the AAD mob.

Could you please provide some of those?

All that middle age housewife have a AKA-47 in their handbag and trained from Chamlong in a top secret terrorist housewife camp.....

[JoeInSurin]

PPP rallying behind Samak in defiant of the looming verdict on his qualifications

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The People Power Party is ready to reinstall Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej in office if he was disqualified by the judicial review on his involvement in two cooking shows, Finance Minister Surapong Suebwonglee said on Tuesday just hours before the afternoon's verdict.

Many PPP MPs have already been in contacts with coalition parties lobbying for their supports of Samak.

PPP spokesman Kudep Saikrajang said Samak remains a most qualified leader at this juncture to steer the country.

The Nation

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PAD is for the most part armed and paid by the royalist/military/Bangkok elite who wish to overthrow an elected government

~WISteve

Nope.

They are trying to overthrow a government that was APPOINTED by a party that BOUGHT IT'S WAY IN, having been paid by the crook who was kicked out previously and using money that was STOLEN from the THAI PEOPLE.

Best regards....

Thanh

Exactly! But some people seem the be very resistant to facts.....