How To Take A Bike Away From Someone Who Is Dangerous With It?

[gragra]

"In one month, he has gotten into three motorcycle accidents. He also got into a car accident this past month by driving too fast and running into the back of a fortuner. I mean he just isn't a real good car driver, and I think he is going to be a lousy motorcycle rider."

Sorry, but this kid should not be driving anything. He's gonna kill / maim himself and probably someone else. I just hope it aint me.

Zzinged had the best idea- a teacher. The guy at Seacon is good- your cousin will watch this guy go around the track and want to do what he's doing, then get told he's got to learn how to do it - basics first.

This thread's almost a year old...I hope the silly little freak is still alive. I agree - get the <deleted> to the track if he (still) thinks he's so shit hot - and regardless of his current riding ability, he will improve and/or crash trying - but at least it'll be under relatively controlled circumstances.

[Lickey]

Do they have "track days" in Thai where there are other bikes on the wrong side of the road, even pick-ups looking for a shop will drive on the wrong side, bikes with no lights, dogs sleeping on the track, bikes and trucks doing a left turn onto main roads without looking, no helmets, 4 on a bike, driver on phone ect, holding umbrella, no road markings or signs here, [up country Namsom] kids have the stuffing taken out of the seat so they reach the ground, no helmets, no licence,no insurance, and Sundays nobody stops at a red light, cars ect put hazard lights on and drive straight through, There is no road saftey instruction at the local schools and even the primary schools bike shed is full of motorsi.

So if somebody could explain where a track day comes into this, thankyou, in my opinion, it would just lead to more "blinkered riding style" as is the norm with most thai riders/drivers.

The sooner the goverment enforce the rules, ie, riding school, tests, helmet enforcement ect, the less crowded the hospitals will be! [perhaps]

[gragra]

And so your suggestion is.....lobby the government and hope they take care of everything? I notice from your previous post that you have had some success in properly motivating your own son, and that's great.

I feel in this case, track riding and attendence at safety classes - which are held at the track in Thailand, could provide a similar outcome.

Getting back to the question – someone either needs to confiscate the bike and or keys or perform some other type of forced restriction to this kid – and that would include forced or compulsory safety training – of which as you rightly point out, there is none in Thailand of any note.

Or, you could try to motivate the kid in some other way.

I don’t think you can take away all the variable factors that you mention.

The kids’ cousin points out that the kid has no riding skills. These will be improved by going to the track, under controlled conditions. (sorry cousin, I disagree with you there )

The only proper training that’s happening in Thailand right now AFAIK, is at tracks.

Furthermore, not everyone at the track is a <deleted>, so the kid is going to be exposed to some people who can really ride, and some people who only get their kicks on the track. There are a lot of guys that only ride the track, for all the random safety factors that you have outlined in detail.

If he’s behaving like a nob at the track, then someone will probably tell him, and (unfortunately) it will carry more weight than it does coming from a member of his own family.

This exposure may rub off on the kid – with some mentoring and guidance, he may be exposed to some riders that he can look up to, and learn from, as Netfan rightly points out.

Finally, as I mentioned above, there are frequent skills training sessions that happen at the track – the skills that you learn at the track – practicing under controlled and guided conditions, can be directly brought back to road riding.

This however, is not isolated from attitude - which seems to be the biggest factor, and hopfully something he will pick up from the right exposure to other riders/mentors.

Again, you can’t remove the random factors, so to deal with that you only have theory, a good attitude and experience.

So the intention of the track work is to:

1. Provide a safe and controlled environment

2. Gain exposure to proper riders with a good attitude about safety

3. Learn how to ride

4. Have some fun – so you don’t always go looking for it on the road.

5. If the kid signs up for some proper safety training, then he will also learn all the safety theories applicable more to road riding and the random elements associated with it.

I hope this helps clarify some of the benefits of the track. And I hope the kid’s still with us.

Edited May 28, 2009 by gragra

[William Osborne]

If he had pay it for the himself he might have a little more respect for it !!!!

As he didn't and he obviously can't drive it, i would just take it away from the spoilt <deleted>...end of !!

[Zzinged]

Do they have "track days" in Thai where there are other bikes on the wrong side of the road, even pick-ups looking for a shop will drive on the wrong side, bikes with no lights, dogs sleeping on the track, bikes and trucks doing a left turn onto main roads without looking, no helmets, 4 on a bike, driver on phone ect, holding umbrella, no road markings or signs here, [up country Namsom] kids have the stuffing taken out of the seat so they reach the ground, no helmets, no licence,no insurance, and Sundays nobody stops at a red light, cars ect put hazard lights on and drive straight through, There is no road saftey instruction at the local schools and even the primary schools bike shed is full of motorsi.

So if somebody could explain where a track day comes into this, thankyou, in my opinion, it would just lead to more "blinkered riding style" as is the norm with most thai riders/drivers.

Eh? I don't quite get the point you're trying to make here.

[Lickey]

My point is, how exactly can track days [other than better control of the bike] prepare anyone for riding in thailand?

[thaicbr]

Ummmm simple you gain experience and " better control of the bike" also you soon realise that your are not the next Valentino Rossi.

[Zzinged]

My point is, how exactly can track days [other than better control of the bike] prepare anyone for riding in thailand?

Because the sooner you know that your bike can't do something... the sooner you won't do it while on a 4 lane highway. In addition, if he had the chance to let loose on a track every so often, it may also take away some of his desire to go nuts on public roads. There's a difference between getting riding experience, and experiencing riding.

[Lickey]

I would think us experinced riders could debate this topic forever and a day, i found a few thai trackday sites, but none really expressed road safety issues, it seems that op Subs cousin cant determine between right and not so right on a bike or in a car,

As allready stated, this topic is near 9months old, and Submaniac, if you and your cousin are still around, and hes still determined to ride a biggish bike, how about you 2 going off on an organized tour with the company below, that could and would make him more aware of self preservation im sure.

http://www.transmotosport.com/category/rid...i-driver-habits

Cheers, Lickey.

[LivinLOS]

Ummmm simple you gain experience and " better control of the bike" also you soon realise that your are not the next Valentino Rossi.

Not sure I agree.. A yound dumb kid who treats the road like a track, will only take track mentality and speed onto the road afterwards.

[Kf6vci]

I was his age when I started. But Germany had extensive bike training. And me paying for my bikes made all the difference. My first bike was a BMW R 450 which was heavy, slow but still great fun.

Your cousin needs to learn several things:

it can be fun to go bimbling along. (Go to a race track for an hour, if you must).

Respect the bike, treat it well. No revving of a cold engine and such nonsense. He sounds like he has the wrong role models. A burn out is bloody stupid IMHO, if he was paying for good tires, he would not be so silly

In most cases, it's not even the biker's fault! At the time, my mother asked me to get an organ donor card. I sold the BMW for a RD 350 with larger Wiseco pistons. The type of bike makes one ride differently.

Speed in a city like BKK as top priority? Who wants to race the cabs, the trucks only to meet up at the next red light?

Can you have him take a lesson and experience a bike tour in some mountain region? This young man has the wrong ideas.

If I had a Ducati 1098, the one thing I would never ever do is red line it, especially in 1st or 2nd gear. often, I observe some idiot who starts up his cold bike, then lets the engine scream. To me, this is abuse and torture of an engine.

If they are serious, they should take away all vehicles and let him e a r n what he drives or rides.

Edited May 31, 2009 by Kf6vci