sriracha john Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong... and the license of any physician who participates should be immediately pulled.... Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 Edited October 8, 2008 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong...Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 Very wrong indeed SJ, it does send one hel_l of a message however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong...Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 I agree completely and admire you for pointing it out! Both sides are acting very wrecklessly in this gang warfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdechgan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong... and the license of any physician who participates should be immediately pulled....Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 Well if you are a doctor you are supposed to help the injured no matter what. But would you seek help from a doctor that hates your guts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong...Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 I agree ---- truly bad form in my opinion. That being said, the police hospital IS only 2 blocks away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toybits Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 When phrased as a question, it is not an attempt to establish it as fact. It is not a malicious act as it only tries to discuss whether there was any possibility of it happening that way. Just like saying PAD demonstrators were peaceful and unarmed. Not I find that a rather ridiculous statement as well - or that the PAD demonstrators were peaceful... The attempt (with no evidence) to call the wounded, victims of self-inflicted wounds is a nasty tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong... and the license of any physician who participates should be immediately pulled....Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 Well if you are a doctor you are supposed to help the injured no matter what. But would you seek help from a doctor that hates your guts? He's no doctor if he allows his personal political beliefs to interfere with his rendering of medical care. If he does, he needs his license jerked on the spot and another physician takes the case. And yes, physicians are supposed to treat any and all patients. Any one that doesn't is no physician. Edited October 8, 2008 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong...Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 I agree completely and admire you for pointing it out! Both sides are acting very wrecklessly in this gang warfare. Absolutely despicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 With the fraud at elections and vote buying you'll wait 1000 years to get rid of it on a "democratic" way. I don't think it will take that long, either they are dissolved by the courts, or if the Thai People should desire to do so, at the next elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong...Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 Very wrong indeed SJ, it does send one hel_l of a message however. Respectfully to you, the only message it really sends is "we are un-professional" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdechgan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Any updates? I don't have access to a television set. Like there will be news when I get home. Those soap operas take much more priority than the news. I think there was more news headlines about the Four-Mod vdo clip or the May-Khem fight at the Emporium shopping center awhile back. Will there be another police offensive tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong... and the license of any physician who participates should be immediately pulled....Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 Yep this is beyond belief, revoke their licenses and make sure they are never allowed to pratice medicine again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong...Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 Very wrong indeed SJ, it does send one hel_l of a message however. Respectfully to you, the only message it really sends is "we are un-professional" ...and "Sons of Chinese", perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottleymike Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Interesting that Belgium had a national strike yesterday, shutting down everything. As angry as Belgian workers are at the government proposal to increase the age of retirement from 58 to 60 ( boohoo), no one shut down the Parliament. Well if the Belgium politician would be as bad as in Thailand they would have been in jail since decades. Therefore it is not necessary in Belgium. More likely that the Belgium politician would get "promoted" into the gravy train as a Euro MP, on a wage equivelent to 5 times the national debt of iceland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumantkumar Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong...Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 I agree completely and admire you for pointing it out! Both sides are acting very wrecklessly in this gang warfare. Absolutely despicable. There are two problems here. First of all, these doctors are violating their oath. Secondly, isn't this a Thai Red Cross hospital. As I am sure you know, the Red Cross is supposed to be impartial, neutral, independent etc.. In fact, the Red Cross was founded on the basis of treating the injured of both sides during war. I am sure someone is going to step in and say something. These doctors have to treat both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 When phrased as a question, it is not an attempt to establish it as fact. It is not a malicious act as it only tries to discuss whether there was any possibility of it happening that way.Just like saying PAD demonstrators were peaceful and unarmed. Not I find that a rather ridiculous statement as well - or that the PAD demonstrators were peaceful... The attempt (with no evidence) to call the wounded, victims of self-inflicted wounds is a nasty tactic. The only questions by the two people insinuating the wounds were self-inflicted were on the order of have you never heard of cargo pants? I see very few people claiming all the PAD protesters are unarmed and they are folks with no inkling of reality. What I do see in the photos and the international press are a distinct lack of real weapons in the hands of the protesters. One (AP?) reporter said he saw 3 guns (no other info provided) in the protester group, That reporter did not say whether those 3 guns were holstered in the hands of private security protecting the bosses. The people with the flagpoles etc just do not seem to be much of a threat to the heavily (unarmed!) armed police. But thank you for trolling some more toybits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 With the fraud at elections and vote buying you'll wait 1000 years to get rid of it on a "democratic" way. I don't think it will take that long, either they are dissolved by the courts, or if the Thai People should desire to do so, at the next elections. I guess you missed the last 3 elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtpeppers Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong... and the license of any physician who participates should be immediately pulled....Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 As long as the doctors didn't refuse any critically injured police then i think it is ok. I think it is within their rights. police absolutely went overboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdechgan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong...Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 I agree completely and admire you for pointing it out! Both sides are acting very wrecklessly in this gang warfare. Absolutely despicable. There are two problems here. First of all, these doctors are violating their oath. Secondly, isn't this a Thai Red Cross hospital. As I am sure you know, the Red Cross is supposed to be impartial, neutral, independent etc.. In fact, the Red Cross was founded on the basis of treating the injured of both sides during war. I am sure someone is going to step in and say something. These doctors have to treat both sides. The doctor could always have made up an excuse. Like the injured protesters have priority because the've been tear gased and had limbs blown off where the policeman was too lazy to go 2 blocks down the road to the police hospital. Or the police guy thought he woud get better care at the Chula hospital than at the police hospital because the police hospital's service was under average or their VIP rooms just didn't have cable tv like Chula's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toybits Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 This doctor just violated the most sacred oath of a Physician (Hippocratic Oath). That person is no doctor. Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong... and the license of any physician who participates should be immediately pulled....Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 Well if you are a doctor you are supposed to help the injured no matter what. But would you seek help from a doctor that hates your guts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdechgan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 This doctor just violated the most sacred oath of a Physician (Hippocratic Oath). That person is no doctor. I can't confirm nor deny if there is a hippocratic oath for Thai physicians. But if so: To teach medicine to the sons of my teacher. To practice and prescribe to the best of my ability for the good of my patients, and to try to avoid harming them. Never to do deliberate harm to anyone for anyone else's interest. To avoid violating the morals of my community. To avoid attempting to do things that other specialists can do better. To keep the good of the patient as the highest priority. I don't see where he is wrong. He might be right in telling the policeman to go to another hospital for his own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalminer Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Chulalongkorn doctors boycott policeDoctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 A qualified doctor has signed the oath of Socrates and promised to help ANYONE who needs medical help. No matter what his skin color is, no matter what his religion is, no matter ... These doctors at the Chulalongkorn Hospital are violating their oath and should NOT BE ALLOWED to perform their job anymore. The doctor cannot judge if the policeman was simply following orders from his superior in which case he was simply doing his job. Not following the orders from his superiors could have far worse implications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA_FARANG Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Any updates? I don't have access to a television set. Like there will be news when I get home. Those soap operas take much more priority than the news. I think there was more news headlines about the Four-Mod vdo clip or the May-Khem fight at the Emporium shopping center awhile back.Will there be another police offensive tonight? Let us hope so. I don't give a rat's A## about who "wins". Politics in Thailand is only for the fools and the rich anyhow. The poor prople always lose. That's why to the average Thai those "soap operas" are more important than the political news. The political news is of less true meaning to them. I just tranfered $4000 to my Bank account. Should be about 4000 baht more than I expected due to the rate change. That's nice. The only thing I'm concerned about is the Baht/Dollar rate. It's above 34 baht to a dollar now. A few riots ought to put it up to ....maybe 36 to one? By the way, I see the baht/pound rate is down below 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) Government condemned over crackdown The government Wednesday came under strong condemnations by at least five organizations for deploying police to suppress protesters Tuesday. The five organizations are the National Institute of Development Administration, the Network of the Disabled People in Thailand, the October 14 Foundation, the Network of Children Organizations, the People's Sector group. They issued separate statements to condemn the government over the crackdown. The NIDA statement demanded that the government immediately stop using violence against the protesters. The statement said some NIDA students and lecturers have joined the protest at the Government House and more of them would also join the rally. The Network of the Disabled People said the government has no excuse to use the violence against the people. The October 14 Foundation said the government must show responsibility by apologizing the people and resigning. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 --------------- No report of what the Network of Children Organizations or People's Sector Group said. Edited October 8, 2008 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 The cops are the only guys who were there that didn't want to be. Despite the fact that every police department has its share of thugs, those guys have to stand up to baseball bats and now firearms. Blaming them for the problem is complete whack because PAD has the ability to go home. They really need to have a look at the meaning of the terms non violent protests and civil disobedience. Weapons don't fit the concept. Meet a cop and swing a bat. Should you expect to live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 1) I am unaware of a Hippocratic oath being required in Thailand 2) The Hippocratic Oath is not "THE Hippocratic Oath" It is different for different schools 3) The Hippocratic Oath is not required at many schools in the West 4) The Dr in question has not turned away people in need that we know of. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_today.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodo Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 There are some reports of police stopping ambulances at parliament and one of them shooting out the tyres. I dont know how reliable this is but it doesnt sound good. TOC reported tear gas shooting tear gas in the PADs medical station Just turned on ASTV they have pictures of demonstrators going to help the injured. It seems quite confused but reports seem to indicate the police fired tear gas and possibly other rounds line of sight into demonstrators and vehicles including at least one ambulance. It sounds similar to how the rescue worker described the fiing of tear gas line of sight into people's bodies this morning. Army Medics under HM the Queen's Royal Patronage Hit by Tear Gas GrenadesWitnesses have reported that the Army medics under Her Majesty the Queen's royal patronage have been hit by tear gas grenades. The medics were dispatched to help treat the injured at Government House and Parliament earlier today. The injured medics have been sent to a nearby hospital. - TOC / 2 minutes ago Bumping PPP MP's off of THAI flights is one thing... (a rather funny one, at that), but this is completely, inexcusably and unequivocally wrong... and the license of any physician who participates should be immediately pulled....Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Doctor Suthep Kolcharnwit of the hospital's medical school said the boycott of police was a measure to denounce police's use of excessive violence against the protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 As long as the doctors didn't refuse any critically injured police then i think it is ok. I think it is within their rights. police absolutely went overboard. Certainly, the police were of no help to the injured, and from the looks of it, they interfered with those in need of medical help. For those hired to serve and protect, they really can't be complaining looking at their disgusting acts yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 The cops are the only guys who were there that didn't want to be. Despite the fact that every police department has its share of thugs, those guys have to stand up to baseball bats and now firearms. Blaming them for the problem is complete whack because PAD has the ability to go home. They really need to have a look at the meaning of the terms non violent protests and civil disobedience. Weapons don't fit the concept. Meet a cop and swing a bat. Should you expect to live? 1) show me baseball bats or firearms in the hands of protesters 2) The protest is civil disobedience as opposed to 'peaceful' 3) History shows that people are often correct in standing up to tyranny, and that Tyrants use lackeys to do their dirty work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Chulalongkorn doctors boycott policeDoctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters. Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well. - The Nation / 2008-10-08 A qualified doctor has signed the oath of Socrates and promised to help ANYONE who needs medical help. No matter what his skin color is, no matter what his religion is, no matter ... These doctors at the Chulalongkorn Hospital are violating their oath and should NOT BE ALLOWED to perform their job anymore. The doctor cannot judge if the policeman was simply following orders from his superior in which case he was simply doing his job. Not following the orders from his superiors could have far worse implications. 100% inaccurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyertribe Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Sooner or later something was bound to give as the current situation cannot continue infinitum.While i have sympathy for the PAD and their supporters I don't believe they have the moral right on their side. WHat they should be doing is organising themselves to win the next election. If it requires buying votes in rural areas so be it. Thailand has its own unique version of democracy and the PAD need to work with the system they have and fgure how best to gain control of the powers of government. You may not have noticed ... but PAD is not a political party Don't hide behind this split hair ... PAD and their leaders certainly have a political agenda. Just hope everything gets resolved more or less peacfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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