Police Fire Tear Gas At Protesters In Front Of Parliament

[canuckamuck]

The cops are the only guys who were there that didn't want to be. Despite the fact that every police department has its share of thugs, those guys have to stand up to baseball bats and now firearms.

Blaming them for the problem is complete whack because PAD has the ability to go home. They really need to have a look at the meaning of the terms non violent protests and civil disobedience. Weapons don't fit the concept.

Meet a cop and swing a bat. Should you expect to live?

1) show me baseball bats or firearms in the hands of protesters

2) The protest is civil disobedience as opposed to 'peaceful'

3) History shows that people are often correct in standing up to tyranny, and that Tyrants use lackeys to do their dirty work

1. All right golf clubs and other rod like objects, we have all seen our share of those pics. And who shot the cops, why weren't any protestors shot?

2. Civil disobedience is like sitting on the road and refusing to move. It is not possible for it to be opposed to peaceful.

3. History is full of violence, maybe Ghandi should have used a Tommy gun. Seems to fit your understanding of civil disobedience.

[Insight]

Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police

Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters.

Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well.

- The Nation / 2008-10-08

A qualified doctor has signed the oath of Socrates and promised to help ANYONE who needs medical help.

No matter what his skin color is, no matter what his religion is, no matter ...

These doctors at the Chulalongkorn Hospital are violating their oath and should NOT BE ALLOWED to perform their job anymore.

The doctor cannot judge if the policeman was simply following orders from his superior in which case he was simply doing his job. Not following the orders from his superiors could have far worse implications.

100% inaccurate

In Asia, yes, but (and not wanting to appear pro-PPP in any way) in the west it's viewed as highly unethical for a doctor to refuse treatment to somebody in needs on the grounds of personal indifference.

In Thailand, scrub that one right off. The amount of backhanders that go on in the medical profession, especially in government hospitals, are jaw dropping.

[sylviex]

If doctors have refused to treat police, this is really very dishonourable .

Doctors usually take their duty very seriously.

Perhaps the most enduring - certainly the most quoted - tradition in the history of medicine is the Hippocratic Oath. Named after the famous Greek physician Hippocrates, this oath was written as a guideline for the medical ethics of doctors. Although the exact words have changed over time, the general content is the same - an oath to respect those who have imparted their knowledge upon the science of medicine, and respect to the patients as well as the promise to treat them to the best of the physicians' ability.

[sriracha john]

PPP MP rejected by Thai Airways to board her flight

People Power Party's Member of Parliament *and former Thai Rak Thai Party's Member of Parliament* Farida Sulaiman prepared to write a complaint letter to Thai Airways International Public Company Limited after she has been rejected from boarding.

This morning (October 8, 2009), Farida Sulaiman, PPP member *and former TRT member* and Surin province MP, unveiled that she had planned to go to Surin province to conduct her work on regular basis.

Thus, she purchased a plane ticket to board Thai Airways flight TG 1040 departing from Bangkok at 6AM to Khon Kaen province.

Once she attempted to get onboard, one of the Thai Airways International’s captains asked her at the gate on whether or not she was a PPP’s member. Due to her response confirming her party affiliation, she was then denied her right to go onboard.

As a Thai citizen, she felt quite upset and confused by Thai Airways’ discriminatory acts against passengers on political grounds.

She later found out that the captain who offended her was named Captain Jakri Jongsiri and so she had planned to submit a complaint letter to the Thai Airways International Public Company Limited in order to further investigate on this matter.

Farida also urged flight operators and attendants to withhold their personal beliefs and act rationally at work as passengers’ safety concerns must always be prioritized.

- ThaiNews / 2008-10-08

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HUGE difference with the physician's situation is that there is no safety concern for denying her the flight. Losing face is not a safety issue.

"As a Thai citizen, she felt quite upset" = "If I was farang, it'd be normal to be mistreated on THAI"

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

btw, Parliament's website has crashed out:

http://www.parliament.go.th/

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[Plus]

PAD is a movement for political reform, not a political party looking for power.

It's main and practically single drawing point is people's outrage over Thaskin's corruption.

You can argue if that outrage is misdirected or immature, but it is there and it is not fake.

All the rest is secondary.

[h90]

Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police

Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters.

Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well.

- The Nation / 2008-10-08

A qualified doctor has signed the oath of Socrates and promised to help ANYONE who needs medical help.

No matter what his skin color is, no matter what his religion is, no matter ...

These doctors at the Chulalongkorn Hospital are violating their oath and should NOT BE ALLOWED to perform their job anymore.

The doctor cannot judge if the policeman was simply following orders from his superior in which case he was simply doing his job. Not following the orders from his superiors could have far worse implications.

Actually I agree that a doc should help everyone! But go as a poor guy without money in the expensive hospital and no doctor will help you. So we are already far away from that idealistic situation.

Actually I wouldn't help a policeman who bruise his finger while slaughtering people. But I would help one who would die without help.

[bunnaag]

Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police

Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters.

Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well.

- The Nation / 2008-10-08

A qualified doctor has signed the oath of Socrates and promised to help ANYONE who needs medical help.

No matter what his skin color is, no matter what his religion is, no matter ...

These doctors at the Chulalongkorn Hospital are violating their oath and should NOT BE ALLOWED to perform their job anymore.

The doctor cannot judge if the policeman was simply following orders from his superior in which case he was simply doing his job. Not following the orders from his superiors could have far worse implications.

100% inaccurate

I agree it is the oath of Hippocrates. Socrates was a moralist. Edited October 8, 2008 by bunnaag

[jayjayjayjay]

PAD is a movement for political reform, not a political party looking for power.

It's main and practically single drawing point is people's outrage over Thaskin's corruption.

You can argue if that outrage is misdirected or immature, but it is there and it is not fake.

All the rest is secondary.

Thaksin corruption charges will have there day in court. I very much doubt Sonthi L will have his.

[h90]

PPP MP rejected by Thai Airways to board her flight

People Power Party's Member of Parliament *and former Thai Rak Thai Party's Member of Parliament* Farida Sulaiman prepared to write a complaint letter to Thai Airways International Public Company Limited after she has been rejected from boarding.

This morning (October 8, 2009), Farida Sulaiman, PPP member *and former TRT member* and Surin province MP, unveiled that she had planned to go to Surin province to conduct her work on regular basis.

Thus, she purchased a plane ticket to board Thai Airways flight TG 1040 departing from Bangkok at 6AM to Khon Kaen province.

Once she attempted to get onboard, one of the Thai Airways International’s captains asked her at the gate on whether or not she was a PPP’s member. Due to her response confirming her party affiliation, she was then denied her right to go onboard.

As a Thai citizen, she felt quite upset and confused by Thai Airways’ discriminatory acts against passengers on political grounds.

She later found out that the captain who offended her was named Captain Jakri Jongsiri and so she had planned to submit a complaint letter to the Thai Airways International Public Company Limited in order to further investigate on this matter.

Farida also urged flight operators and attendants to withhold their personal beliefs and act rationally at work as passengers’ safety concerns must always be prioritized.

- ThaiNews / 2008-10-08

========================================================================

HUGE difference with the physician's situation is that there is no safety concern for denying her the flight. Losing face is not a safety issue.

"As a Thai citizen, she felt quite upset" = "If I was farang, it'd be normal to be mistreated on THAI"

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

btw, Parliament's website has crashed out:

http://www.parliament.go.th/

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If they would like to buy something from my company I would also refuse to service them (but on my products, that would not cause them much headache)

[jdinasia]

The cops are the only guys who were there that didn't want to be. Despite the fact that every police department has its share of thugs, those guys have to stand up to baseball bats and now firearms.

Blaming them for the problem is complete whack because PAD has the ability to go home. They really need to have a look at the meaning of the terms non violent protests and civil disobedience. Weapons don't fit the concept.

Meet a cop and swing a bat. Should you expect to live?

1) show me baseball bats or firearms in the hands of protesters

2) The protest is civil disobedience as opposed to 'peaceful'

3) History shows that people are often correct in standing up to tyranny, and that Tyrants use lackeys to do their dirty work

1. All right golf clubs and other rod like objects, we have all seen our share of those pics. And who shot the cops, why weren't any protestors shot?

2. Civil disobedience is like sitting on the road and refusing to move. It is not possible for it to be opposed to peaceful.

3. History is full of violence, maybe Ghandi should have used a Tommy gun. Seems to fit your understanding of civil disobedience.

Not all people seem to agree with you

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/civil-disobedience/

Non-violence: A controversial issue in debates on civil disobedience is non-violence. Like publicity, non-violence is said to diminish the negative effects of breaching the law. Some theorists go further and say that civil disobedience is, by definition, non-violent. According to Rawls, violent acts likely to injure are incompatible with civil disobedience as a mode of address. ‘Indeed’, says Rawls, ‘any interference with the civil liberties of others tends to obscure the civilly disobedient quality of one's act.’(Rawls, 1971, 366).

Even though paradigmatic disobedients like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr embody Rawls's image of non-violent direct action, opponents of Rawls's view have challenged the centrality of non-violence for civil disobedience on several fronts. First, there is the problem of specifying an appropriate notion of violence. It is unclear, for example, whether violence to self, violence to property, or minor violence against others (such as a vicious pinch) should be included in a conception of the relevant kinds of violence. If the significant criterion for a commonsense notion of a violent act is a likelihood of causing injury, however minor, then these kinds of acts count as acts of violence (See Morreall, 1991). Second, non-violent acts or legal acts sometimes cause more harm to others than do violent acts (Raz, 1979, 267). A legal strike by ambulance workers may well have much more severe consequences than minor acts of vandalism. Third, violence, depending upon its form, does not necessarily obscure the communicative quality of a disobedient's action as Rawls and Peter Singer suggests it does (Singer, 1973, 86). Limited violence used to achieve a specific objective might heighten the communicative quality of the act by drawing greater attention to the dissenter's cause and by emphasising her seriousness and frustration.

These observations do not alter the fact that non-violent dissent normally is preferable to violent dissent. As Raz observes, non-violence avoids the direct harm caused by violence, and non-violence does not encourage violence in other situations where violence would be wrong, something which an otherwise warranted use of violence may do. Moreover, as a matter of prudence, non-violence does not carry the same risk of antagonising potential allies or confirming the antipathy of opponents (Raz, 1979, 267). Furthermore, non-violence does not distract the attention of the public, and it probably denies authorities an excuse to use violent countermeasures against disobedients.

Non-violence, publicity and a willingness to accept punishment are often regarded as marks of disobedients' fidelity to the legal system in which they carry out their protest. Those who deny that these features are definitive of civil disobedience endorse a more inclusive conception according to which civil disobedience involves a conscientious and communicative breach of law designed to demonstrate condemnation of a law or policy and to contribute to a change in that law or policy. Such a conception allows that civil disobedience can be violent, partially covert, and revolutionary. This conception also accommodates vagaries in the practice and justifiability of civil disobedience for different political contexts: it grants that the appropriate model of how civil disobedience works in a context such as apartheid South Africa may differ from the model that applies to a well-ordered, liberal, just democracy. An even broader conception of civil disobedience would draw no clear boundaries between civil disobedience and other forms of protest such as conscientious objection, forcible resistance, and revolutionary action. A disadvantage of this last conception is that it blurs the lines between these different types of protest and so might both weaken claims about the defensibility of civil disobedience and invite authorities and opponents of civil disobedience to lump all illegal protest under one umbrella.

[jayjayjayjay]

The cops are the only guys who were there that didn't want to be. Despite the fact that every police department has its share of thugs, those guys have to stand up to baseball bats and now firearms.

Blaming them for the problem is complete whack because PAD has the ability to go home. They really need to have a look at the meaning of the terms non violent protests and civil disobedience. Weapons don't fit the concept.

Meet a cop and swing a bat. Should you expect to live?

1) show me baseball bats or firearms in the hands of protesters

2) The protest is civil disobedience as opposed to 'peaceful'

3) History shows that people are often correct in standing up to tyranny, and that Tyrants use lackeys to do their dirty work

And watch out for that deadly green clapper!

[Samuian]

Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police

Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters.

Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well.

- The Nation / 2008-10-08

Well, I would suggest to call this doctor or go and see him/her and ask what REALLY happened BEFORE hanging or nailing him/her on to the cross, ladies & gentleman!

All the Pages long RiffRaf about democracy, human rights, right, wrong, corruption, crony politics...dadadadadaaa.. and then this!

Maybe the emergency ward was overfilled, maybe. maybe... as long as this story isn't really clear, we should take it with a pinch of salt.

Maybe..

ONE single New report, a couple of lines...and an uproar, "Get Him!"

[jumnien]

Anyone know what happened to the PAD driver of the truck that ran over 10 police officers?

[jdinasia]

The cops are the only guys who were there that didn't want to be. Despite the fact that every police department has its share of thugs, those guys have to stand up to baseball bats and now firearms.

Blaming them for the problem is complete whack because PAD has the ability to go home. They really need to have a look at the meaning of the terms non violent protests and civil disobedience. Weapons don't fit the concept.

Meet a cop and swing a bat. Should you expect to live?

1) show me baseball bats or firearms in the hands of protesters

2) The protest is civil disobedience as opposed to 'peaceful'

3) History shows that people are often correct in standing up to tyranny, and that Tyrants use lackeys to do their dirty work

And watch out for that deadly green clapper!

I see a few thin pipes and a few sticks ... and not a single Louisville Slugger

Those certainly look like simple weapons of opportunity as opposed to premeditated weapons brought in with the plan of causing harm to others

[clausewitz]

The cops are the only guys who were there that didn't want to be. Despite the fact that every police department has its share of thugs, those guys have to stand up to baseball bats and now firearms.

Blaming them for the problem is complete whack because PAD has the ability to go home. They really need to have a look at the meaning of the terms non violent protests and civil disobedience. Weapons don't fit the concept.

Meet a cop and swing a bat. Should you expect to live?

1) show me baseball bats or firearms in the hands of protesters

Umm the Bangkok Post today has a picture of armed protestors surrounding a policeman who is trying to run away and grimmacing in pain as one of the protestors hits him with a basebat around the legs.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/081008_News/08Oct2008_news02.php

Among the wounded police officers, two were stabbed. One, Pol Snr Sgt-Maj Thaweep Klanniam, was struck with the sharpened end of a flag pole in the torso. The pole severed his lung.

Four other police officers were shot by PAD supporters, deputy Metropolitan Police chief Pol Maj-Gen Amnuay Nimmano said. One was shot in his chest, one in the collarbone, one in the neck and the other in his right hand. They were rushed to Vajira and Chulalongkorn hospitals.

Another policeman suffered broken legs after being hit by a car driven by a PAD supporter.

The sixth clash since yesterday morning erupted last night at the Metropolitan Police headquarters.

The confrontation started at 10.20pm when PAD demonstrators threw bottles into the police compound, prompting the police to retaliate by firing tear gas into the crowd.

[canuckamuck]

Not all people seem to agree with you

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/civil-disobedience/

Non-violence: A controversial issue in debates on civil disobedience is non-violence...

A disadvantage of this last conception is that it blurs the lines between these different types of protest and so might both weaken claims about the defensibility of civil disobedience and invite authorities and opponents of civil disobedience to lump all illegal protest under one umbrella.

Ok you can play semantics with the term civil disobedience. But non violence is the high road. As a civilian if you bring a weapon to a protest you are fair game. Anything else is anarchy or war, and your fault as well.

[jumnien]

Let's all just take a step back and breathe in and out and collect peaceful thoughts, reciting:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

May all beings be happy!

May the PAD mob quietly return home and become like a bad dream upon awakening.

[coalminer]

Actually I agree that a doc should help everyone! But go as a poor guy without money in the expensive hospital and no doctor will help you. So we are already far away from that idealistic situation.

Actually I wouldn't help a policeman who bruise his finger while slaughtering people. But I would help one who would die without help.

One should not forget the circumstances.

You are 100% right in your statement that in normal life, if one has no money he/she will mostly be denied to enter the hospital and will be shown the path to heaven or hel_l.

Sad, but this us what this world has become.

On the other hand, this was an emergency situation with more than 400 people injured, and in this case the doctor should perform his job as he has learned at the Uni and refrain from any politics. That is not his job.

The attitude of this doctor was very unprofessional and not worthy for any doctor.

I have seen pictures in this thread where a policeman was helping a PAD protester, despite the fact that he would rather prefer to do his normal job and stay out of this mess that the PAD has created.

But his job is to follow orders from a superior and if somebody is to blame for the police actions, the blame should be put on his superiors who gave the orders.

[Ricardo]

Sharpening ploes to punch in the police's back?

Those would be the peaceful unarmed police, who somehow accidentally keep blowing civilians' feet/arms/legs off, using only tear-gas ? I suspect that time will show, other weapons were also being used here.

Using guns to fire at the police?

In the absence of full-details, of the specific incidents, might any of these have been cases of 'friendly-fire' ?

One should hesitate to jump to conclusions, in these inflamed times, for example :-

Yesterdays' 'car-bomb near Chart-Thai HQ' was later reported, after the remains had been examined, as possibly having been a car on fire, whose gas-tank then exploded, rather than a bomb ?

And a pick-up , driven by PAD-supporters into a group of police & causing a dozen injuries, was later reported as having caused only one injury, who knows - might even just have been a traffic-accident, as some poor motorist attempted to get clear of trouble ?

Any injuries, let alone deaths, on either side, are lamentable. But were they totally unexpected, when the orders were given, to go in with force to clear the PAD ?

[sriracha john]

Two dead, hundreds injured in violent clashes in Thai capital

Ramathibodi Hospital Director Than Supattaraphan said one female protester was killed during Tuesday's clashes, but official announcement of the cause of death was awaiting completion of an autopsy.

The victim later identified as Angkana Radabphanyawut, 20, who reportedly died of a chest wound.

Ramathibodi Hospital has released the result of the autopsy on Angkana. She died of a huge wound to her left chest and arm with bleeding and bruising of her lung and a puncture of her heart and stomach.

As for the wound of the man who lost his left leg, doctors say they found metal shards in the wound.

Doctors insist tear gas bullets and canisters cannot cause these types of injuries.

At Ramathibodi Hospital, a total of 76 PAD protesters sought treatment for injuries. 16 remained hospitalized with ten waiting for surgeries. Two sustained leg wounds, two sustained wounds to the upper body, one has an eye wound, and three suffered broken bones.

The patient with the most serious injury has wounds to his neck and remains in the intensive care unit. He will have to undergo several rounds of surgeries and will need breathing aide throughout his life.

- TOC / 2008-10-08

[jdinasia]

Not all people seem to agree with you

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/civil-disobedience/

Non-violence: A controversial issue in debates on civil disobedience is non-violence...

A disadvantage of this last conception is that it blurs the lines between these different types of protest and so might both weaken claims about the defensibility of civil disobedience and invite authorities and opponents of civil disobedience to lump all illegal protest under one umbrella.

Ok you can play semantics with the term civil disobedience. But non violence is the high road. As a civilian if you bring a weapon to a protest you are fair game. Anything else is anarchy or war, and your fault as well.

Those are not MY semantics. I guess Stanford isn't a reliable enough source for you.

5. Conclusion

...Such disobedience contrasts with much contemporary civil disobedience, which focuses not on individuals' basic rights, but on broader issues or special interests such as the environment, animal rights, nuclear disarmament, globalisation, foreign policy, and so on.

BTW .. if you look up Civil disobedience in Wiki ... you will get PAD as an example (perhaps a bit dated now)

At some point the concept of self-defense is allowed in civil disobedience ... in this case however it is civil disobedience with an aim to NOT to be ousted from their position

Edited October 8, 2008 by jdinasia

[sjaak327]

Chulalongkorn doctors boycott police

Doctors of the Chulalongkorn Hospital Wednesday refused to treat police injured during Tuesday's clashes with protesters.

Suthep said Chulalongkorn doctors would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well.

- The Nation / 2008-10-08

Well, I would suggest to call this doctor or go and see him/her and ask what REALLY happened BEFORE hanging or nailing him/her on to the cross, ladies & gentleman!

All the Pages long RiffRaf about democracy, human rights, right, wrong, corruption, crony politics...dadadadadaaa.. and then this!

Maybe the emergency ward was overfilled, maybe. maybe... as long as this story isn't really clear, we should take it with a pinch of salt.

Maybe..

ONE single New report, a couple of lines...and an uproar, "Get Him!"

Well, the fact that he stated that he would seek cooperation from doctors of other hospitals to boycott police as well, speak volumes. Unless of course that is an inaccurate quote.

[animatic]

</a>Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Riot Police battle anti Govt protesters in Bangkok

Quote: The source also said Gen Worawat got the job because he had the backing of Mr Thaksin.

Ed Note:

Looks as though Gen Worawat (and the telephone lines to London) will be busy...

-Some may be wondering why this is all blowing up again now, just when all was calm again while Thaksin's brother in law PM was 'appearing' to invite the PAD and all sectors of the public to participate in a re-defined constitution.

Well, it turns out House Speaker Chai Chidchob had also accepted a petition by pro-govt DAAD supporters to revert back to the 1997 constitution and this was/is suddenly set for a priority reading this week (thus, a majority vote cake-walk and no need for inclusion).

The primary concern by some is, the Govt isn't interested in anything other than serving their own and Thaksin's interests. Many now see the Govt's overtures for outside participation in constitution change as a time-buying smokescreen whilst their real plan is to revert to the old '97 charter. Their faint and desperate hope being this may null and void vote-fraud charges pending, PPP dissolution, plus charges to the Thaksins.

-This, along with the arrest of Chamlong, coinciding with the confirmation the Thaksin's have officially applied for asylum in the UK all culminate in today's escalated events.

One hopes their won't be more blood shed in this. But since it appears highly suspicious a protester lost a leg to mere tear gas, one also suspects this won't wrap-up without further injuries (hopefully not fatalities).

-Some may also have a re-newed concern regarding the possibility of another coup - if the police cross a line (fatalities) and the military is called in/comes in. Given that many Thaksin-loyal team-players are in place now, the concern becomes (a possibility at least) for a bloody coup this time around, with pro/anti military factions set against each other...

-Solution lost? All the Govt had to do was pull DAAD leader Weng's petition to revert to the '97 constitution and continue on with including outside parties, common people, professionals, business leaders etc to contribute to a new constitution. BUT this moment is gone now and besides, since the PPP/TRT/Thaksin would not likely have benefitted, they wouldn't have been sincerely interested at any rate.

The Govt wants absolute exoneration for PPP/TRT and the Thaksins and will stop at NOTHING to get it. Self-serving Constitution change, along with inflitration of every independent Govt agency and watchdog, producing a hoped-for DYNASTY to feed unfetteret at the public trough awaits. Nothing else is more important to them, not even the Nation's or the people's interest, period.

Even a parasite knows better than to consume it's host, but one wonders if Thaksin knows this rule of nature, or could care less...'winning' becomes all-consuming, especially if one has a simmering vendetta...

This sums up the current crisis for those who need clarification in the English language.

This sums up the whole crap shoot rather well.

It is a war for control of Thailand, but PAD didn't fire the first shot,

no matter HOW many here try and say that. They are playing catch up

versus a hugely funded, amoral and avaricious foe of Machiavelian proportions.

Edited October 8, 2008 by animatic

[sriracha john]

HM the Queen Bestows Additional 200,000 Baht for Injured PAD Protestors

Reports have come in that Her Majesty the Queen has increased her financial help for victims of yesterday's police crackdown by an additional 200,000 baht.

After graciously bestowing 100,000 baht in financial assistance for the medical bills of PAD protesters injured in yesterday's crackdown by the police, Her Majesty the Queen has granted an additional 200,000 baht to Ramathibodi Hospital today to take care of the injured. The hospital says it will report on the injured to Her Majesty the Queen periodically.

- TOC / 2008-10-08

=================================

Long Live The King

Long Live The Queen

Edited October 8, 2008 by sriracha john

[coalminer]

Any injuries, let alone deaths, on either side, are lamentable. But were they totally unexpected, when the orders were given, to go in with force to clear the PAD ?

Ricardo, let me tell you some little stories which did really happen.

In 1995, a member of my family who was doing his job as policeman and was guarding entrance to the National Bank in Madrid got blowed up by the ETA. He didn't want to fight with the ETA. He didn't want to be pulled in the mess the EAT was creating. He only want to do his job and earn some money to feed his family.

A decade later, a member of my family who was waiting for a commuter to bring him to work got blowed-up with thousand of other citizens. He didn't want to fight with the ETA. He didn't want to be pulled in the mess the EAT was creating. He only want to do his job and earn some money to feed his family.

Those "peaceful protesters" from the PAD have done actions which are against the Thai law and order and policeman who did not want to get involved in the mess the PAD created where dropped into an action by their superior.

IF you want to blame somebody for this mess. start to blame the PAD for having called everybody to create civil unrest and started to hostage a complete parliament.

[basjke]

The cops are the only guys who were there that didn't want to be. Despite the fact that every police department has its share of thugs, those guys have to stand up to baseball bats and now firearms.

Blaming them for the problem is complete whack because PAD has the ability to go home. They really need to have a look at the meaning of the terms non violent protests and civil disobedience. Weapons don't fit the concept.

Meet a cop and swing a bat. Should you expect to live?

1) show me baseball bats or firearms in the hands of protesters

2) The protest is civil disobedience as opposed to 'peaceful'

3) History shows that people are often correct in standing up to tyranny, and that Tyrants use lackeys to do their dirty work

And watch out for that deadly green clapper!

I see a few thin pipes and a few sticks ... and not a single Louisville Slugger

Those certainly look like simple weapons of opportunity as opposed to premeditated weapons brought in with the plan of causing harm to others

Yes JD you are right again.The clapper is not the brand you were talking about so it is no weapon.GET A LIFE.

[ukjackthai]

The worlds' gone crazy.

[jdinasia]

Yes JD you are right again.The clapper is not the brand you were talking about so it is no weapon.GET A LIFE.

How daft do you need to be to not understand the difference between picking up a stick or a rock or a pipe to defend yourself versus bring in a baseball bat knife or gun?

BTW I have a very nice life TYVM

[Bangyai]

1) I am unaware of a Hippocratic oath being required in Thailand

2) The Hippocratic Oath is not "THE Hippocratic Oath" It is different for different schools

3) The Hippocratic Oath is not required at many schools in the West

4) The Dr in question has not turned away people in need that we know of.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_today.html

I think you're getting confused here. These doctors have obviously taken the ' hypocritical ' oath :

1) Do treat PAD patients who have been aggresively provoking a confrontation for weeks.

2) Do not treat policemen injured in the line of duty even if they have shown much restraint over the last few weeks

3) Do not treat anyone who harbours different political opinions to your own

[animatic]

Quisling Doctors were killed or had hands broken

for helping Nazi soldiers after killing their countrymen.

One has to decide your country as you see it,

or an oath as you said it.

MOST Dr.s will fix the worst of patients with the

hope that the government will nail them for their bad deeds.

In this case who will do the getting.

Maybe the Dr. thought it was not gonna happen

and would get worse in his life for helping.

Or maybe this is a Greek AKA Western idea,

and is being rejected as NOT THAI...

No clue where this got an MD degree.

Or as Samuian noted, the place just might have been filled to capacity.