dave_boo Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 AND THEN ride mine hehehhehehehehe.It's fun to have the bugger back again. topped out at 170 down highway 303 to nakhom pathom. I might gear it down a bit on the back sprocket its got 14/48 520 conversion on at the moment but might take it down to 46 rear. Don't forget no fairing on this baby its streetfightered. Dave you getting that cbr250 you saw, if not can you PM the details to me. i was looking at a non running mc19 in a big bike shop. the thing was sat between 2 other bikes, been sat there about 2years with out moving. So i say how much, he says not sell, i say why, he says engine no good so i say i buy for spares so he says ok 35,000 baht............... the <deleted>**er could still hear me laughing when i was 3 soi's away. the idiot. I'll need to get the phone number from the wife in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 If you're interested in the formulas, here's what I used (I used the quoted wet weight of the American Ninja since I'm a lazy bastard who didn't want to google the wet weight of the international version which I would suspect to be slightly greater: Hi Dave! Just curious, but why would the fuel injected international Ninja 250R weigh more than the carburated US version? Aren't carburators heavier than fuel injectors? Just wonderin'... All the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 LOL- so I'm off by a month, eh? Ok - November it is! And any well behaved riders that need a place to stay in BKK is welcome to crash at my place Happy trails! So you'd be up to my 9 month old daughter sleeping at your pad while me and the missus spend some quality time? I'll take care of yours if you'll take care of mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodiebkk Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 why would the fuel injected international Ninja 250R weigh more than the carburated US version? Aren't carburators heavier than fuel injectors? Just wonderin'... Itcould be like the new Fuel Injected "Classic Range" Triumphs [bonnevilles/Thrux/Scram etc] have the same issue - they had to enlarge the fuel tank and hide a socking great fuel pump underneath... They have hidden the fuel injectors in similar looking carb shaped bodies too... Unnecessary imo, but for some its the looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 As RhodieBKK pointed out, it's the ancillary items that make the difference. Yes, if you just compare the injector's weight to the carb's weight, the carb loses out. But you add on a fuel rail, metal supply/return lines (the carb can get away with a single rubber supply line), fuel pressure regulator (only have to use gravity on a carb'd bike), and fuel pump (once again only using gravity on a carb'd bike). And then you have the O2 sensor (lambda), extra wiring, etc. I can't guarantee, but perhaps the catalytic convertor is different, although for economy of scale I doubt it and even if it was it wouldn't have to be as complex as the carb'd version's since the ECU on the fuel injector can make corrections that a carb can not. And I think I'll withdrawl my offer. At least mine isn't ambulatory yet; fewer problems she can get into. @RhodieBKK, If I'm understanding your post about those Triumphs, we would call that setup TBI (Throttle Body Injection) in the states. My friend had a Pontiac Firebird with that setup..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bard Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 The tank is exactly the same size on both. The weight can be found at www.kawasaki.co.uk and www.kawasakibigbike.com if there is any weight difference it would be pretty insignificant, same air filter box as well, carbs heavier, but fuel pump adds up so total it should be withing a few of ounces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 The tank is exactly the same size on both.The weight can be found at www.kawasaki.co.uk and www.kawasakibigbike.com if there is any weight difference it would be pretty insignificant, same air filter box as well, carbs heavier, but fuel pump adds up so total it should be withing a few of ounces. Actually, if you compare the US website's weight of 374 lbs (169.6 kilos) to the UK's claim of 169 kilos, the US version is heavier! Seems odd. Also of interest is that on the UK site, there's a line that mentions "Complies to EU emission limit" and it has a dash through it. Does that mean that it is not compliant or that Kawasaki UK doesn't have the information? Oh, and it appears that the price has crept up to just under 4 000 USD, guess the exchange rate hasn't been favourable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bard Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I also wondered about the EU limit statement. UK has lot of taxes which is not applicable in US, so the bikes are more expensive than in US always, not fair for the common man in the street but taxes are heavy in Europe, hence income is high as well. Checked the price in US and right now it is 3,499,- and 4,099,- for limited edition, is the limited edition with fuel injection? Can't be due to the colour difference... Cheers Bard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bard Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Hey there, Found another brand new Dyno station (Not opened yet) for bikes using Dynojet in Bangkok, they will be setup by the main Dynojet mechanic from Malaysia in a couple of weeks and during the setup I managed to get freebie dyno testing with and without the Powercommander 3 USB, the test will be when the mechanic comes to Bangkok in approximately 2 weeks. Anyone else want to test out the bike and I will try to get more freebies in, for Ninja owners they can try out PC3USB to see if it does anything for there bikes on the Dyno... Pretty good deal to check by a certified Dynojet tech before one decide to buy New station will be in Sukhumvit Soi 77, Called D.S. Performance Product Co.,Ltd. Telephone 02 321 2502 / 2508 Cheers Bard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted November 12, 2008 Author Share Posted November 12, 2008 COOL i think this is so much better than the other one i found that seem more about scooters. I take it they will do big bike tuning and stuff. i gotta get my CBR250 sorted the flat spot is driving me crazy. can you maybe find out normal pricing. and my cbr would be good for them to try so they know how to sort out old heaps lol keep us informed Bard Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bard Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 OK Allan, I put in a request for you since they just boot up they're very keen on helping out. Think they can jet your bike from my limited conversation with Malaysia today, but they were keen on helping your sort out your bike from what I gathered. So as soon as I get confirmed date from them I will let you know. Regarding pricing they are busy setting that up, however when he trains the tech in Thailand we can get by free when he shows how it's properly done. So I will PM both, obviously the freebie is the best option Cheers Bard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bard Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 BTW Allan, Here is the shop in Bangkok's homepage, still not listed Dynojet until they are certified. Will be the main dealer for Dynojet in Thailand. http://www.dsperformanceproduct.com/ Cheers Bard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinLOS Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Did you get a ballpark on pricing ?? I have been informed that a dynojet stage 1 and K&N make a big difference... I wouldnt mind trying to have it worked over if costs were in line with small bike values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bard Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 When I spoke with him on Thursday he was still not sure about the price he would charge for dyno test only. However since they are the new authorized dynojet dealer in Thailand you might get it free if you buy and install the dynojet stage 1 with K&N. Call them up and check it out, speak good English and come back quickly on the emails as well. Cheers Bard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akrisztian Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 When I spoke with him on Thursday he was still not sure about the price he would charge for dyno test only. However since they are the new authorized dynojet dealer in Thailand you might get it free if you buy and install the dynojet stage 1 with K&N. Call them up and check it out, speak good English and come back quickly on the emails as well.Cheers Bard Hi there, I found this thread with google while looking for a place that does bike dyno testing and tuning, my vfr400 needs it. Have you found out if they offer this or can you recommend another shop? Thanks, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 (edited) people or companies with Dynojet dyno's in Thailand AP Honda Co. Ltd Model 250i 149 Rodrangkhao Rd, Samrong - Tai, Phrapradaeng, Bangkok 10250 Tel. +662-757-6111 Email: <snip> DS Performance Product Co. Ltd Model 250iPX Baan Sabai Apt 6/1 Room 101, Soi On-Nut 55/2 Yak 2, Sukhumvit 77th Rd, Praves, Bangkok 10250 Tel. +662-321-2502 Email: <snip> Jammer Motorcycle Shop Model 250i 132/180 Soichkechai 4 Lardoriwd Road Bangkok 10310 Tel. 662-538-5408 Veeravit Kittimahachai 96/16 Soi Siamtoranne Tarrank Ramintra km 8 Bangkok 10220 Tel. 662-9450112 Edited September 29, 2009 by soundman Removed Email Addresses as per forum rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 (edited) ^ Don't forget DIRTSHOP! DIRTSHOP 128/1 ONNUT ROAD PRAWET BANGKOK 10250 Tel : 0-2322-1441, 0-2322-1446 Fax : 0-2321-4689 Email: <snip> www.dirtshopthailand.com Edited September 29, 2009 by soundman Removed Email Addresses as per forum rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Ah- and don't forget RED BARON! RED BARON BANGKOK 78 Ramkahmhaeng Rd., Saphansoong BKK 10240 Tel : 02-729-4131-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) Tony. These are DYNOJET dyno's. Dirt shop is DS performance. Who i might add would be a waste of time for older bikes as they do not stock even basic main jets........... what the f=k is that about!!! And unless you brought ya bike from RB you may as well forget it (also i dunno what dyno RB have)... BUT they dont have main jets either. How can you do performance tuning without main jets.JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE Edited September 29, 2009 by thaicbr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Tony. These are DYNOJET dyno's. Dirt shop is DS performance. Who i might add would be a waste of time for older bikes as they do not stock even basic main jets........... what the f=k is that about!!!And unless you brought ya bike from RB you may as well forget it (also i dunno what dyno RB have)... BUT they dont have main jets either. How can you do performance tuning without main jets.JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE Hi Allan, I'm not familiar with DS Performance, but the dyno at Dirtshop certainly appears to be a DYNOJET (see the picture above). As for tuning older bikes, well, seems the days of carbureted bikes are just about over seeing as how only fuel injected bikes can pass the strict new Euro III and Euro IV emissions tests. I'm guessing Jammer would be your best bet in Bangkok as they tune a lot of older harley's and whatnot. Ride On! Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 Tony DS performance IS Dirt Shop. And Jammer dont have jets small enough In reality how many bikes in Thailand are Fuel injected especially cruisers and the like. I know that is the way its going BUT you would have thought that a company doing Dyno's and the fact DYNOJET do a huge range of jets and kits that Dirt Bike would have them. But TIT man, this is Thailand where the air filters made down the road in Samut songkran can't be sold to me i have to order from the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Aha! DS Performance = Dirtshop! Gotcha! But strange that they have different addresses, no? Anyway- sure there are plenty of old carburated cruisers around, but who ever tunes those on a dyno? I'd guess the demand must be very low and dirtshop does not serve that market anyway. In fact, despite their name, seems to me they are much more focused on sport bikes than dirt bikes... TiT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 The address is the DS Owners condo as a guess. And i for one would not mind getting mine sorted on a proper rolling road. Dyno's are not just for max power but also to ensure that the bikes tuned/setup correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelmate Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 The address is the DS Owners condo as a guess. And i for one would not mind getting mine sorted on a proper rolling road. Dyno's are not just for max power but also to ensure that the bikes tuned/setup correctly. Dyno is just simply a tool for tuning purposes. Like all other tools it is only as good as the tuner using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husskydog Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Just fitted the dynotune PCV + Autotune on my ninja 2010 650r, having great fun playing with the maps out there, within sensible limits.. I enjoy looking at the afr trim tables after i ride, you can really see where the autotune earns its bucks...and watching it work in realtime when on the padock stand is sweet (my own little rolling road) to a point.. As for the performance, well when i got the bike new and standard, i got the feeling of it leaning out too much at steady throttle closed looping, but after the scorpion and pcv+autotune it really does smooth the bike out through the range... Didn`t have a O2 elimninator plug in the kit, so dug around on the other forums and did the same as others, fitted my own resistor to the redundant Stock O2 plug/harness... Oh, and sorry tony for beating you to it...it was a cracking price, have you got your sb`s yet ? i see a couple of guys having fitting issues with their new bars on the other forum...maybe they were unlucky and got the miss drilled ones that slipped the net...HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husskydog Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) Just fitted the dynotune PCV + Autotune on my ninja 2010 650r, having great fun playing with the maps out there, within sensible limits..I enjoy looking at the afr trim tables after i ride, you can really see where the autotune earns its bucks...and watching it work in realtime when on the padock stand is sweet (my own little rolling road) to a point.. As for the performance, well when i got the bike new and standard, i got the feeling of it leaning out too much at steady throttle closed looping, but after the scorpion and pcv+autotune it really does smooth the bike out through the range... Didn`t have a O2 elimninator plug in the kit, so dug around on the other forums and did the same as others, fitted my own resistor to the redundant Stock O2 plug/harness... Oh, and sorry tony for beating you to it...it was a cracking price, have you got your sb`s yet ? i see a couple of guys having fitting issues with their new bars on the other forum...maybe they were unlucky and got the miss drilled ones that slipped the net...HD Oh, one more thought i forgot to mention, i`m hoping once my current map settles down, and i accept the trims from autotune into the map, thereafter the autotune should cope with the varying quality of 91 benzene from the various pumps, one thing it should show is if any pumps are watering down their benzene, as many i believe do and there after i can avoid them....just a thought..HD Edited September 29, 2009 by husskydog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixed Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Aha! DS Performance = Dirtshop! Gotcha! But strange that they have different addresses, no?I Not sure if this helps, but they changed addresses recently, I know because it's mentioned on their website. I also know the Red Baron had a dyno, but this has probably already been mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidersCorner Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 why would the fuel injected international Ninja 250R weigh more than the carburated US version? Aren't carburators heavier than fuel injectors? Just wonderin'... Itcould be like the new Fuel Injected "Classic Range" Triumphs [bonnevilles/Thrux/Scram etc] have the same issue - they had to enlarge the fuel tank and hide a socking great fuel pump underneath... They have hidden the fuel injectors in similar looking carb shaped bodies too... Unnecessary imo, but for some its the looks. What is the list price on a Triumph Scrambler in Bangkok now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saorsa Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 why would the fuel injected international Ninja 250R weigh more than the carburated US version? Aren't carburators heavier than fuel injectors? Just wonderin'... Itcould be like the new Fuel Injected "Classic Range" Triumphs [bonnevilles/Thrux/Scram etc] have the same issue - they had to enlarge the fuel tank and hide a socking great fuel pump underneath... They have hidden the fuel injectors in similar looking carb shaped bodies too... Unnecessary imo, but for some its the looks. What is the list price on a Triumph Scrambler in Bangkok now? 580,000b http://www.motorcycle.in.th/staticpages/index.php/Motorcycle-prices-in-Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saorsa Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Or according to this site 590,000b http://www.britbike.co.th/product-th-656744-%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%B2+Triumph+2011.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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