Shock In Bkk Immigration Office...(out Of The Law?)

[stepenwolf1958]

Sorry if you've already mentioned this, but where are you from stepenwolf1958?

Serbia, ex Yugoslavia, if relevant at all...

Be so kind and tell me why you ask, please. Will you?

Regards...

[digitalchromakey]

Soutpeel...I saw that OP twice here. I don't know what is OP, at all, as i am not often here on forums,poting. Can you say to me what is OP, please?

Yes miss.... ....OP dont worry, I am a native English speaker and I haven't got a clue <deleted> she is talking about either...

OP=Original Poster.

[stepenwolf1958]

About all you can do is make a border run. You are correct that 7 days is not a lot of time. It's just one of the risks you have working here. Unless you are fired for a serious offence I would think most companies would give you a termination notice that would give you time to get things sorted out. Thats where the employment contract comes into the picture.

Nothing even close to that, thank God...I was under th contract from 1st September but she charged me on from 10th September, even i was IN PROCEDURE to get the new WP and Non B Visa...This is Greek for me all....

[stepenwolf1958]

Soutpeel...I saw that OP twice here. I don't know what is OP, at all, as i am not often here on forums,poting. Can you say to me what is OP, please?

Yes miss.... ....OP dont worry, I am a native English speaker and I haven't got a clue <deleted> she is talking about either...

OP=Original Poster.

Thanks, mate...

[stepenwolf1958]

Thanks to all of you for time to make me understand all of this. First of all i can see, based on your comments, i can understand that i can not understand all of this at all. That's about Thai style, i guess.

Next, i would like to ask about NON O VISA. My friend is mrried to Thai and got that visa based on marriage to Thai citizen but he said to me it's forbiden to work so he is working at home, private clsses only. He is an Englishman and he is a good teacher, i was working with him so i know. Some reason he decided to go for Visa Non ), instead of Non B.

What is benefit,if there's any?

Why it is forbiden to work. if you have Non O visa???

[jdinasia]

That's the best way, as i can see now it would be better i did it. Once i did it but now i asked my new school attorney should i go to Laos for to get a TV and after that to turn on NON B. She says i have no need to do so i believed because, as we know very well, they are changing regulations all the time. So i assumed she knows her work and i believed her. WRONG! Again famous story about Thai's competence in work and, as friend of mine Brad like to say:"Ask 5 officers and you will get 6 (SIX) answers and more thenthat-all of them will say THAT what they are telling you is the right thing.Others don't know the Law". Now i see what was his point.

By the way, anyone have experience with Immigration officers in Korat? One Thai widowed lady(RIP Englishmen) told me her died husband gave up about BKK and made all his needs about the papers with people in Korat. Any shad of ligh?

Maybe you just couldn't speak English well enough to understand her, there is no way she could understand you.

What you have shown us is that wherever you got your TEFL was willing to pass absolutely everyone that paid the fee.

[Soutpeel]

...Why it is forbiden to work. if you have Non O visa???

It's not forbidden, per se....doesnt matter what visa you have whether a Type O or Non-imm B, you still cant work without a work permit, Visa's and work permits are two different goverment departments. If he is working on a type "O" without a work permit, this is illegal, and will not make any difference if he changes over to a Non-imm B, he still needs a WP, irrespective of the visa he has...

[stepenwolf1958]

It's not forbidden, per se....doesnt matter what visa you have whether a Type O or Non-imm B, you still cant work without a work permit, Visa's and work permits are two different goverment departments...

I've got your point but he said under Visa non O it is forbiden to work but not only his words. Thai woman was married for farang 12 years and she confirmed to me that if we have non O,about marriage with Thai woman, it is forbiden to work here but i don't know is it forbiden to teach, to teach in public school, or forbiden to get any work and is it about get visa non O by marriage with Thais(as there are few ways to get non O visa)???

Thaks.

[Crossy]

I've got your point but he said under Visa non O it is forbiden to work but not only his words. Thai woman was married for farang 12 years and she confirmed to me that if we have non O,about marriage with Thai woman, it is forbiden to work here but i don't know is it forbiden to teach, to teach in public school, or forbiden to get any work and is it about get visa non O by marriage with Thais(as there are few ways to get non O visa)???

There are a LOT of Thavisa members (myself included at times) with work permits attached to non-o (married to a Thai) visas

I'm not aware of any differences in the type of employment permitted between 'O' and 'B' visas.

[Soutpeel]

I've got your point but he said under Visa non O it is forbiden to work but not only his words. Thai woman was married for farang 12 years and she confirmed to me that if we have non O,about marriage with Thai woman, it is forbiden to work here but i don't know is it forbiden to teach, to teach in public school, or forbiden to get any work and is it about get visa non O by marriage with Thais(as there are few ways to get non O visa)???

Thaks.

Its forbidden (to use your terminology) to work in Thailand, irrespective of the visa, if you dont have a work permit, its pretty simple.

Some O visa's ie on the O-A visa (retirement visa), its on the visa, you are not permitted to work, Having an "O" by marriage does not prevent you from working, but you still need a work permit, so you still need to qualify for the WP based on that visa.

[Soutpeel]

So you need the receipt for the work permit to be issued with a Non-imm B now? <deleted>...

Believe this is case now with certain embassies/consulates, if being issued with a Non-imm B for the purpose of working then a receipt from the labour department which shows the work permit has been applied for is required. Its been a long time since I went though the process, over 4 years ago and just needed the company paper work to be issued the Non-imm B

[Lite Beer]

I do agree that it is everyone's responsibility to learn the rules and comply with the requirements. However odd they seem to us.

[cathyy]

Stepenwolf, the first thing to remember about Immigration is that you don't need to comply with the law, you need to comply with whatever the Immigration Officer thinks the law is.

[PeaceBlondie]

I got lost on the first page.

I really cannot believe that someone of his limited English ability would be given a job in a school teaching English. Is it really that easy?

I do agree that it is everyone's responsibility to learn the rules and comply with the requirements. However odd they seem to us.

Lite Beer, it may not be easy for you or I to get a fully legal position in Khon Kaen or Chiang Mai, even for jobs for which we are overqualified as teachers of English. But out in the provinces and even in big cities, many Thai schools do not need a native speaker, a uni graduate, or an English or Education expert. Stepenwolf may be far more effective than his Thai co-teachers. I was fully fluent at age ten, and had trouble understanding the English of most Thai teachers of English at good matayom schools. He can do the job. He has done it, and will keep getting better at it.

This is not my primary forum, but I see no sense in berating the Original Poster's English language skills when he is inquiring about a work permit or an overstay fine in this forum. Do y'all grill the managing directors of import/export companies as to their qualifications if they ask similar questions?

[Lite Beer]

LiteBeer, I doubt the OP is winding us up, or lying about this. He has been posting in the Teaching forum for maybe a year.

He is at least nearly fluent in English. Many native speakers with terrible accents teach here, and some are bad characters, although they are in the minority, and not respected. Thai schools continue to hire him, perhaps because they do not exercise the judgment to discern a good farang teacher. In your words, it is "no wonder that this country is backwards." But from what I have seen without speaking the language, I suspect there are more than a few incompetent Thai teachers out there who are not fluent in their teaching subject.

Please, back to the work permit and overstay rules...

OK. I am just amazed at the low standards required.

Yes , maybe the schools should supply more information about the Visa / Work Permit requirements.

But it is really up to every person to sort himself out.

He has asked some question here and has received the correct answers.

[Maestro]

This thread has been going too far off topic. I am deleting some posts and close the topic.