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In theory if I intersperse my use of the 30 day stamps with a 60 day tourist visa + 30 day TR visa extension, that should every semester on average leave a period of 365.25/2-180=2.625 days that I cannot be in Thailand.

I am confused as to how to count the days, I read, that one could stay with 30 day stamps "with a total peroid of stay not exceeding 90 days within 6 months from the date of first entry", when I try to count the days in my case I get confused and what is the date of 6 months from my first entry?

Let me go as far back as possibly necessary (all in 2008):

entered allowed until left] type of visa

02/23 04/22 04/22 TR

04/22 05/21 05/21 stamp

05/21 06/19 06/19 stamp

06/23 08/21 08/21* TR *did not leave, but extended at immi office

08/21 09/20 09/20 +30d to TR visa

09/20 10/19 10/19 stamp

10/19 11/17 not yet stamp

So if on 11/17 I wanted to reenter Thailand again on a stamp, does period of 6 months then referr to 182,625d or (as we currently are in a leap year) to 183d or to the period between 05/17 and 11/17 =184d (+1 if enddate is included) or something else?

On 11/17 I would have spent cumulatively 24(before the interspersed TR) + 59(after the interspersed TR) = 83 days in Thailand since 05/17, so I should be able to get another 30 days. However, why wasnt I allowed until 11/18 but only until 11/17, am I missing something?

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It's not rocket science but can be hard to figure out when one goes in and out of LOS many times. For me I used to live in China and would come home to LOS every month for 10 days (and sometimes more). I used Excel and created a spreadsheet showing my days in LOS (from using the stamps in my Passport) and would show this to Immigrations every time I came into LOS. Once they realized what my spreadsheet was all about (after they saw the dates on my spreadsheet matching the dates on my passport stamps) they would smile at me and then allow me to enter....... It made their job much easy rather than sitting there for about 30 minutes trying to figure it out for themselves.

Anyway, to answer you question.... First of all your OP look very confusing to anyone who reads it. I will not take the time to look at all the dates you provided and see if it makes sense or not. What you need to do is this:

Let's say you are currently out of LOS and you want to come here. Let's say you want to come here and stay for 30 days (which is the max you can stay without getting an extension of any sort). Let's say that you will arrive Nov 1st and then leave Nov 30th (hence 30 days). What you need to do is to start at Nov 30th and count back on a calendar 180 days. Then at the date you count back to until Nov 30th you should not have any stamps in your passport showing that you have been in LOS for more than 90 days. (Actually 60 because you will add 30 days with the upcoming visit.)

Difficult to place in writing to understand but merely Immigrations will not allow you to be in LOS any longer than 90 days in a 180 day period.

Here is the spreadsheet that I used when I did this last year. The line in YELLOW are the dates for the trip that I was last arriving in BKK.....

BKK_Time.xls

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First stop trying to count the days. Its 6 months not days,

From the info you give I would of counted the 6 months from 4/22 which puts the 6 months at 10/22.

Evidently that wasn't the case because you have already left and returned. The 11/17 date stamp is most likely an error by immigration.

I am not sure but immigration may consider getting a tourist visa and using it as a new beginning of the first entry rule using visa exempt entries. That would mean that the 6 months start on the first visa exempt entry after using a tourist visa (or any other type of visa). It makes sense to me that it should work that way. Immigration would have to be the ones to give a definitive answer to this question. If that is how they do it then your 6 months started again on 9/20.

In dingdongrb's case he has to keep track of the total number of days over 6 months and is using the visa exempt entry permission to stay like it is meant be used.

Bastian why don't you just stick to tourist visas. It seems to me that doing a visa run, extend, border run, extend and then a visa run would be better than starting the border runs every 30 days again.

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First stop trying to count the days. Its 6 months not days,

Very interesting point What exactly does it say ?....3 months in 6 months or 90 days in 180 days, as not quite the same thing.

If its 90 days in 6 months, then we are mixing units and I understand why people are getting confused..

Posted
Just using what the police order says. "Ninety days within six months from the date of the first entry"

Source is 3 in police order 608/2549.

Link: http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/2notice/rtp608EN.pdf

Ubonjoe...thanks for that, for me its badly written, as we are working in days for what is permitted therefore the months should be specified in days as well eg 180 days or possibly 183 days if getting perdantic..

Posted

It is 6 months. All depends what months. Some 6 month periods will be greater or smaller than others.

But it still 6 months irrespective of how many days they contain.

Posted
It is 6 months. All depends what months. Some 6 month periods will be greater or smaller than others.

But it still 6 months irrespective of how many days they contain.

Therefore my logic suggests then the 90 days specified should say 3 months then and not 90 days..??

Posted
It is 6 months. All depends what months. Some 6 month periods will be greater or smaller than others.

But it still 6 months irrespective of how many days they contain.

Therefore my logic suggests then the 90 days specified should say 3 months then and not 90 days..??

No because not everyone uses their full 30 days or month . Some will only use 10 or 15 days or whatever. So the total amount of time spent here can only be measured in days.

To be honest, how anyone even tries to work all this out is beyond me. If they think things are getting a bit tight.

Get a Visa and save the headache.

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No because not everyone uses their full 30 days or month . Some will only use 10 or 15 days or whatever. So the total amount of time spent here can only be measured in days...

Lite beer agree with you, but I seem to be coming back to the same thought again, if its measured in days, then the maximum permissible should be in days, not months, what ever that number is determined to be ie 180 day, 183 days etc

This doesnt effect me directly, but have always wondered why they are mixing the "Units" ie days vs months and could never quite figure out the logic behind it, after all if you are in Thailand more than 180 days, then you are classed a "resident". It says 180 days and not 6 months... :o

Posted

The only thing I can think of is.

Can you imagine the Immigration Officer at the checkpoint counting up 180 days since your first entry date.

Easier to count 6 months.

They have enough trouble getting things right as it is. :o

Posted
The only thing I can think of is.

Can you imagine the Immigration Officer at the checkpoint counting up 180 days since your first entry date.

Easier to count 6 months.

They have enough trouble getting things right as it is. :o

Oh well...TIT, you would have thought in this day and age, the computer system they use would be able to calculate this for them, not exactly high end mathamatics is it... :D

Posted

The two are different.

90 days is a cumilative number. IE: 10+10+30+30+5+5=90

6 months is a period of time.

The 180 days to be considered as resident is also cumilative.

Posted
The only thing I can think of is.

Can you imagine the Immigration Officer at the checkpoint counting up 180 days since your first entry date.

Easier to count 6 months.

They have enough trouble getting things right as it is. :o

It is 180 days, not 6 months..... And yes, I didn't imagine the Immigration officer counting the days on their calendar, I personally witnessed it. There were many times that I was in the Immigrations line at the airport for more than 15 minutes and I'm sure it was pissing the folks off behind me. This was the reason I created my spreadsheet as well as keeping track myself on the amount of days I could be in LOS.

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It is 180 days, not 6 months..... And yes, I didn't imagine the Immigration officer counting the days on their calendar, I personally witnessed it. There were many times that I was in the Immigrations line at the airport for more than 15 minutes and I'm sure it was pissing the folks off behind me. This was the reason I created my spreadsheet as well as keeping track myself on the amount of days I could be in LOS.

I think you missed my earlier post.

Just using what the police order says. "Ninety days within six months from the date of the first entry"

Source is 3 in police order 608/2549.

Link: http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/2notice/rtp608EN.pdf

Posted
The two are different.

90 days is a cumilative number. IE: 10+10+30+30+5+5=90

6 months is a period of time.

The 180 days to be considered as resident is also cumilative.

Yes.... but you are not comparing apples with apples then if using a unit in days and a unit in months, for the arithmetic to work correctly it has to be in one unit or the other...ie both values in months (which is not practical, as you illustrate above) or all in days.

A day is a specific unit, but the "value" of a month changes dependent on which month we are taking about ie 28 days, 30 days, 31 days, and therefore is not a specific unit as it becomes a variable.

Threfore to me the correct statement in Thai law should be you are permitted to stay in the Kingdom 90 days in a 180 day period from the date of the first entry and not "Ninety days within six months from the date of the first entry" as we are mixing units.....

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180 days vs 6 months.... Who really gives a chit unless you are one that is on the edge of these 90 alloted days? I was one who was as I traveled in and out of LOS every month for almost 2 years. I had to tightly control my schedule so that my stay would not exceed the 90 day rule or perhaps chancing that Thai Immigrations would not allow me to enter (or perhaps fine me when I went to leave). Needless to say I was handed a pamphlet more times than I care to remember when entering LOS for a while stating the rules. If I recall that pamphlet stated 180 days, not 6 months.

Likewise, when it's Immigration stamping your passport and allowing you to enter LOS who's rules are you going to follow, theirs or the Thai Royal police?

Posted

Immigration is part of the Royal Thai Plolice and have no rules of there own other than some offices that seem to make up their own.

If you look at the link you will note that it is for the immigration website.

Posted
180 days vs 6 months.... Who really gives a chit unless you are one that is on the edge of these 90 alloted days? I was one who was as I traveled in and out of LOS every month for almost 2 years. I had to tightly control my schedule so that my stay would not exceed the 90 day rule or perhaps chancing that Thai Immigrations would not allow me to enter (or perhaps fine me when I went to leave). Needless to say I was handed a pamphlet more times than I care to remember when entering LOS for a while stating the rules. If I recall that pamphlet stated 180 days, not 6 months.
Tourist Visa Exempt Entry is for a maximum of 90 days in six months from your first entry.

Please read the regulations in this link: National Police Order 608/2549

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180 days vs 6 months.... Who really gives a chit unless you are one that is on the edge of these 90 alloted days? I was one who was as I traveled in and out of LOS every month for almost 2 years. I had to tightly control my schedule so that my stay would not exceed the 90 day rule or perhaps chancing that Thai Immigrations would not allow me to enter (or perhaps fine me when I went to leave). Needless to say I was handed a pamphlet more times than I care to remember when entering LOS for a while stating the rules. If I recall that pamphlet stated 180 days, not 6 months.
Tourist Visa Exempt Entry is for a maximum of 90 days in six months from your first entry.

Please read the regulations in this link: National Police Order 608/2549

It's funny that you all cite a Police rule (law) that was written in August of 2002... I am referring to the last immigration changes that occurred in October of 2006... That is when everyone ran scared because of the changes made which effected everyone from doing border runs and living in LOS all year long.... I have searched my place her in CM for the pamphlet I was referring to but it must be at my place in Surin... I guess I'll have to go to Immigrations and get a copy so I can scan it for you... Meanwhile just search Google for 'Thailand 180' and you will see how many websites are saying the same thing I have said... So I guess we all are wrong.....hehe (I would bet you a brewski on it but TV prohibits wagering :o )

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dingdongrb, it does not matter what many websites say. The only thing that matters is the text of the Royal Thai Police order No. 608/2549

The Thai calendar year 2549 is the Gregorian calendar year 2006, not 2002. The order was issued on 8 September 2006, to take effect on 1 October 2006.

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Maestro

The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place. — George Bernard Shaw

 

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