cmsally Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 ^By quoting Rule 5, and by saying you are not allowed to discuss moderating issues, you are therefore discussing moderation issues. Catch 22. You seem to misunderstand the forum rules as easily as you misunderstand lese majeste. Same, Same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) ^By quoting Rule 5, and by saying you are not allowed to discuss moderating issues, you are therefore discussing moderation issues. Catch 22. You seem to misunderstand the forum rules as easily as you misunderstand lese majeste. What's your take on it John....'things that can't be discussed' ?. Is it not a bit unenlightened in this sophisticated era that strong taboos still exist around discussing Laws and Rules? Edited February 6, 2009 by Journalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedders Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Sophistication and enlightenment are by no means necessarily compatible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Sophistication and enlightenment are by no means necessarily compatible. I think this "sophisticated era" is referring to an outer sophistication rather than development on the inside. A bit like a quickly cooked steak that appears absolutely done on the outside but is totally raw on the inside. However when so much is out of bounds and having a personal opinion isn't exactly valued, the question is how long for the old steak to get cooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmugFarangBore Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 On Rohingya issue Thailand was caught on the wrong site of western media stick, that's all. Any other country facing thousands of boat people would treat them the same. What a lot of apologist nonsense. What other countries would commit such disgusting and appalling crimes against human beings; removing engines from boats and towing thousands of refugees out to sea without food and water to leave them to die? I am so glad the "Western media stick" has exposed these utter brutes for what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Sophistication and enlightenment are by no means necessarily compatible. I think this "sophisticated era" is referring to an outer sophistication rather than development on the inside. A bit like a quickly cooked steak that appears absolutely done on the outside but is totally raw on the inside. However when so much is out of bounds and having a personal opinion isn't exactly valued, the question is how long for the old steak to get cooked. I think the answer is that powerful taboos are still required by even so-called sophisticated societies in order to keep a check on anti-social activities. -"Jai yen" enforces a taboo against going ballistic in Thailand, without which people would be getting angry quite often. -Sexual taboos mitigate our fascination with the sexual act, but our fear of the more extreme and anti-social components of it. (eg kiddy fiddlers, gerontophiliacs, necrophiles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominique355 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 On February 1, 2009 Bangkok Post published an interview with Ranongruk Suwunchwee, the present minister of ICT. She is directly responsible for the new policy of blocking "offensive" websites. In this interview it became clear that this lady has absolutely no clue about communication, computer or Internet. But who is she? I fact she was already in Samak's and Somchsi's cabinet (deputy finance minister) and quickly earned the qualification of "being ignorant and inexperienced". Hardly surprising when you see her education background. She is a nurse So what made her become a politician? No secret there: Her husband is Pairote Suwunchwee. Yes, the one who is a member of the 111 Thai Rak Tahi gang banned from politics. According to the Bangkok Post, her husband chairs board meetings of the ICT Ministry, meetings where the (formal) ICT minister is not even present. How much longer will these people abuse our patience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 If you allege that some sites are banned unfairly and contain no insults, the burned of proof is on you, btw, not on me. The ones that I've seen were offensive, and I've been saying that there is no freedom to insult in Thailand. Now, my little Sherlock, tell me how I can prove this without 1) risking to get ThaiVisa banned or 2) linking to a banned site with/without going through a proxy and having the post deleted... If you knew of any such sites you'd have found the way, there's no need to post links or break any forum rules. On February 1, 2009 Bangkok Post published an interview with Ranongruk Suwunchwee, the present minister of ICT. She is directly responsible for the new policy of blocking "offensive" websites.In this interview it became clear that this lady has absolutely no clue about communication, computer or Internet. But who is she? I fact she was already in Samak's and Somchsi's cabinet (deputy finance minister) and quickly earned the qualification of "being ignorant and inexperienced". Hardly surprising when you see her education background. She is a nurse So what made her become a politician? No secret there: Her husband is Pairote Suwunchwee. Yes, the one who is a member of the 111 Thai Rak Tahi gang banned from politics. According to the Bangkok Post, her husband chairs board meetings of the ICT Ministry, meetings where the (formal) ICT minister is not even present. How much longer will these people abuse our patience? May I mention "new politics" here, 'cos old one really sucks. You will never get rid of these pests under current political set up. >>>>> Giles Ungpakorn skipped the country on the eve of his hearing, a desperate attempt to keep himself in the spotlight without actually having to prove or argue anything. Before leaving he wrote a "Red Siam" manifesto in which he directly attacks HM the King, without any attempts at a "discussion". Exactly my original point - you don't discuss anything with this kind of attitude, you only insult and stir emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Giles left the country to avoid going the jail. The basic reason he left is because there is no freedom of speech. I am sure he would love to have a discussion, but unfortunately in this backward society it is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee123 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) Now the chips are down people on this forum are begining to show their "True Colors" by defending Goverment censorship. If this forum and the press/media in Thailand were given real press freedom then those of us asking for it would have won this argument hands down.. Furthermore all those critising Giles ji Ungpakorn are just performing a "damage limitation" exercise. Something stinks around here and its obvious where its coming from. Edited February 10, 2009 by dee123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee123 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 ^By quoting Rule 5, and by saying you are not allowed to discuss moderating issues, you are therefore discussing moderation issues. Catch 22. You seem to misunderstand the forum rules as easily as you misunderstand lese majeste. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Now the chips are down people on this forum are begining to show their "True Colors" by defending Goverment censorship. If this forum and the press/media in Thailand were given real press freedom then those of us asking for it would have won this argument hands down.And you know it!. Now for all those critising Giles ji Ungpakorn are just performing a "damage limitation" exercise. Hear, hear. And I see a whole Giles topic vanished into thin air. Abhisit having been educated at institutions which enshrine freedom of speech, should be ashamed at himself to be at the top of this mess. Surely he is intelligent enough to see that this house of glass cannot last. Sparkling facades are no competition for solid foundations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Giles left the country to avoid going the jail. The basic reason he left is because there is no freedom of speech. I am sure he would love to have a discussion, but unfortunately in this backward society it is impossible. Giles left the country to avoid defending his case in the court. That's his way of avoiding a discussion that would have exposed his own academic bankrupcy. Judging by the tone of his partying "manifesto" he can't contain himself within accepted boundaries of civility, maybe it's a good thing he left instead of making a fool out of himself in public. Insults and shouting never win any arguments in Thailand. If he ever had any message worth discussing, it's clouded by his unacceptable presentation. His blog is banned now, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Giles left the country to avoid going the jail. The basic reason he left is because there is no freedom of speech. I am sure he would love to have a discussion, but unfortunately in this backward society it is impossible. Giles left the country to avoid defending his case in the court. That's his way of avoiding a discussion that would have exposed his own academic bankrupcy. Judging by the tone of his partying "manifesto" he can't contain himself within accepted boundaries of civility, maybe it's a good thing he left instead of making a fool out of himself in public. Insults and shouting never win any arguments in Thailand. If he ever had any message worth discussing, it's clouded by his unacceptable presentation. His blog is banned now, btw. In fact when things become unacceptable, arguments and shouting can very often win arguments. The mode of consensus and smiles is left for the day to day niceties and gloss on the top. Things often happen in parallel on another level. The nice negotiations are often meant to be seen as the method of compromise but often the story is very different. Giles most probably left the country because he knew in advance what the verdict would be. Most verdicts are decided before the court sits, most of the judges probably aren't luck enough to hold dual nationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 In fact when things become unacceptable, arguments and shouting can very often win arguments. You can't complaing about lack of discussion when the only thing you do is shout. There will be no shouting about monarchy here. Period. Giles most probably left the country because he knew in advance what the verdict would be. Perhaps. Perhaps Giles was afraid he'd be acquitted and so all his house of cards about LM stiffling discussion would fall flat on its face. We can speculate on Giles reasons to run, but he should have publicly defended what he said in the book, which wasn't much to begin with. Fleeing is a very cowardly behavior for self professed freedom fighter. Nelson Mandela he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clicker123 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Giles left the country to avoid going the jail. He hasn't even been tried yet. The basic reason he left is because there is no freedom of speech. There's no shortage of freedom of speech discussing him in a variety of media. I am sure he would love to have a discussion, but unfortunately in this backward society it is impossible. He may want to discuss, but he obviously also wants to insult through his writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumonster Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I imagine the Asia Sentinel will be blocked shortly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 "Ungpakorn wrote a series of flame-throwing articles which appeared in Asia Sentinel," http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?opti...&Itemid=164 The man's a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) Sheesh... can "Thaksin" now be used as a verb for running to the UK away from bail and criminal litigation? eg. Giles did a Thaksin. or even expanded to other countries? Vatana did a Thaksin to Cambodia. Somchai Khunpleume did a Thaksin to God knows where. Edited February 10, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Somchai Khunpleume did a Thaksin to God knows where Why not ask his son the Mayor of Pattaya..he might know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samgrowth Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) In fact when things become unacceptable, arguments and shouting can very often win arguments. You can't complaing about lack of discussion when the only thing you do is shout. There will be no shouting about monarchy here. Period. Giles most probably left the country because he knew in advance what the verdict would be. Perhaps. Perhaps Giles was afraid he'd be acquitted and so all his house of cards about LM stiffling discussion would fall flat on its face. We can speculate on Giles reasons to run, but he should have publicly defended what he said in the book, which wasn't much to begin with. Fleeing is a very cowardly behavior for self professed freedom fighter. Nelson Mandela he is not. He may not be a Nelson Mandela. But Thaksin, Giles and Giles' father is like is like a Dalai Lama; to have to flee their country. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/specials/60thking/dec5.php Remember the famous quote: In his speech His Majesty refuted the long-accepted tradition of constitutional monarchy that the King can do no wrong. He said: "If the King can do no wrong, it is akin to looking down upon him because the King is not being treated as a human being. But the King can do wrong." Edited February 10, 2009 by samgrowth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 But Thaksin, Giles... is like is like a Dalai Lama; to have to flee their country. Thaivisa Most Absurd Analogy of 2009. Congratulations...and the year was still so young, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) Sheesh... can "Thaksin" now be used as a verb for running to the UK away from bail and criminal litigation? eg. Giles did a Thaksin. or even expanded to other countries? Vatana did a Thaksin to Cambodia. Somchai Khunpleume did a Thaksin to God knows where. Seems that way. Ill join 'Coinage of the week club". Guess he "Thaksined to another time zone, to avoid prosecution." I don't Thaksin therefore I am, here! And if he sends mindless thoughtless robitic humanoids to wipe out Obamark, he must be the Thaksinator! Waitsy, isn't he trying that now? I'll be Bach, as president for life! Edited February 10, 2009 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainman Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) How exactly is this magic software going to stop anyone from accessing the website they want? Unless it can decrypt encrypted requests, which it can't, there will always be people getting through quite easily without even being bothered ...like me. Edited February 10, 2009 by rainman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Most people would click on their old bookmark with Giles blog, see the MICT eye and leave. Very few are really obsessed with whatever he wanted to say there. Most people are "surfing", going whenever Internet takes them, and if it's made to flow around blocked sites, that's where most people will go. The policy is set of the majority, the average. Those who make the effort to unlock the banned material are statistically insignificant. Actually avoiding government set blocks is illegal now, according to the new Internet law. And so is downloading movies and watching porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabaijai Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Looks like the Australian government blocks even more Internet sites than Thailand does. Article contains comment on Thailand's situation. Leaked Australian blacklist reveals banned sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 It was good press for gaining nationalistic points while it lasted, and then was ignored. Being seen to intend to do SOMETHING, is better than going to the trouble of actually figuring out HOW to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 But Thaksin, Giles... is like is like a Dalai Lama; to have to flee their country. Thaivisa Most Absurd Analogy of 2009. Congratulations...and the year was still so young, too. And the year is young yet. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed this comment back in Feb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Looks like the Australian government blocks even more Internet sites than Thailand does. Article contains comment on Thailand's situation.Leaked Australian blacklist reveals banned sites Kevin Rudd bigger threat to democracy than........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 But Thaksin, Giles... is like is like a Dalai Lama; to have to flee their country. Thaivisa Most Absurd Analogy of 2009. Congratulations...and the year was still so young, too. And the year is young yet. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed this comment back in Feb! I don't it's been surpassed in the intervening 4 months... it was quite astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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