Pad Rallies At British Embassy In Bangkok

[animatic]

"The findings showed clearly that there are ways out for the political problems," he said.

The academic said he believed the findings would be encouraging to those seeking to solve the ongoing political conflict.

I suspect these results do indeed the feeling of a majority of Thais.

Whether this majority can prevail is, of course, at issue.

The problem is those who want their share of the pie are loath to give it over easily.

Greed has gotten control with all tallons and it won't let go.

[Jai Dee]

Man injured in shooting with PAD guards

A man was shot and injured early Sunday after he and his friends drove to the Makkhawan Bridge and shouted abusive words at guards of the People's Alliance for Democracy.

The guards claimed that the group started firing at them first but the five men told police that one of them simply raised their middle finger and shouted abusive words against the PAD guards and they chased after them and fired at them.

Police have yet to investigate the shooting incident which happed at 2:30 am.

The injured man was identified as Jaroon Deetour, 22. He was shot once on his right shoulder and rushed to the Vajira Hospital.

Jaroon's car, which was fleeing the PAD guards, was stopped by the military police in front of the Agriculture Ministry. The car's windshield was smashed and the car was shot once on the left front door and another at the left side mirror.

Four other men in the car were taken into custody by police from Nangloeng Police station for questioning. They were identified as Seksan Ayuman, 27, Suriya Nithat, 22, Supatra Supairin, 22, and Phubet Sakuna, 18.

They told police that they went to drink on a pub on Khao San Road and they got lost while returning home in Samut Prakan and Jaroon later drove to the Makkhawan Bridge and Jaroon lowed the window and raised his middle finger to the PAD guards.

No PAD guards were arrested.

Source: The Nation - 02 November 2008

[animatic]

Utter fools one and all.

[JetsetBkk]

....3.I've never been a fan of Thaksin, Samak or even little Somchai.Yet they were or are the legitimate leaders of Thai governments...

Agree totally.

Edited November 2, 2008 by JetsetBkk

[animatic]

....3.I've never been a fan of Thaksin, Samak or even little Somchai.Yet they were or are the legitimate leaders of Thai governments...

Agree totally.

Thaksin may have been legitimately ellected once,

but the last election saw his party banned for corruption.

Samak didn't last long enough for his party to be banned.

Even thought it is one legal hurdle from being so.

Somchai stepped in for Samak until the party gets dissolved

for corruption during the election

So to say these last to are legitimately elected is pushing it.

Hence the lack of respect and trust they are being given.

They haven't earned it they are malicious caretakers at best.

There isn't even a real pretense of working for the people.

Spinning the tires till the graft contracts can be brought in for the next election.

[henryalleman]

Although I am currently elsewhere, this is the street I live on when in Bkk.

The only people this inconveniences are the local residents. None of whom have anything to do with Thaksin's flight.

Then we have the Triumph brassiere demos at the intersection of Witthayu and Petburi - and the road is closed down then too.

One respects folks' right to protest peacefully - but then if all we Witthayu residents came to their soi and prevented their kids going to school, they'd be bugged.

What a pain-in-the-rear, nihilist place Bangkok has become, where anyone can behave just as they feel like. Reminds me a bit of Jakarta in early 1998.

Today the Belgian ministry of foreign Affairs give the safety warning class 2 for Thailand,

This advice tourist to be aware or even don't visit some areas of Thailand and don't travel at night in some provinces.

For Bangkok to avoid the governments area, also a warning is given for Chiang Mai and the Mae Hong Song valley.

avoid the province Sisaket

If not necessary for business avoid the 4 southern provinces Narathiwat, Pattani, Songkla and Yala.

This is not good for the tourist industry.

[sylviex]

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat said on Sunday the government was ready to hold talks with the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) if it will be a creative talk, leading to the peace and order of the country.

See BKK Post, Breaking News

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=131792

[Jai Dee]

Off-topic and argumentative diatribe has been deleted from this thread.

[Jai Dee]

PAD sets no rally plans for this week

The anti-government People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) does not set any rally plans for this week, revealing that it will focus on securing its rally site and members while criticizing recent events conducted by its opposition.

PAD coordinator Suriyasai Katasila (สุริยะใส กตะศิลา) stated on Sunday (November 2) that the PAD chose not to interfere with the "Truth Today" mobile political talk show on Saturday as it viewed the programme as a diversion from true political issues involving the government.

Mr Suriyasai also voiced the PAD's opinion that the pro-government United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) is unjustified in seeking royal pardon for the deposed premier as Mr Thaksin intentionally committed his crimes.

Nonetheless, he said that the PAD this week will remain at the Government House without any set plans for activity as it will focus on security.

Source: National News Bureau of Thailand - 03 November 2008

[AlKing]

PAD sets no rally plans for this week

The anti-government People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) does not set any rally plans for this week, revealing that it will focus on securing its rally site and members while criticizing recent events conducted by its opposition.

PAD coordinator Suriyasai Katasila (สุริยะใส กตะศิลา) stated on Sunday (November 2) that the PAD chose not to interfere with the "Truth Today" mobile political talk show on Saturday as it viewed the programme as a diversion from true political issues involving the government.

Mr Suriyasai also voiced the PAD's opinion that the pro-government United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) is unjustified in seeking royal pardon for the deposed premier as Mr Thaksin intentionally committed his crimes.

Nonetheless, he said that the PAD this week will remain at the Government House without any set plans for activity as it will focus on security.

Source: National News Bureau of Thailand - 03 November 2008

Is this the beginning of the end? So soon after Thaksin appreanace.

[AlKing]

I had an interesting discussion with a Thai businesswoman yesterday, summarised as follows:

* Why are Thai people demonstrating at the British embassy?

– Because Thaksin lives in England. He is a criminal and should be in prison in Thailand.

* Did the Thai government ask for his extradition and the British government refused?

– No. Thaksin controls the Thai government and it won't force him to return to Thailand.

* Should the Thai people then not demonstrate against the Thai government?

– They did, even occupied the whole government building, it is was of no use. That's why the people now demonstrate at the British embassy, to vent their frustrations. Thaksin lives comfortably in London, when he should be in prison in Thailand. I am going to boycott Tesco and Lotus and all British products.

At this point, I changed the subject.

I support what the PAD have been doing. It would have/still could be a 'free for all' for Taksin and his proxies if not for them (see Somchai's desperate call to implement all mega projects immediately), but really, when I hear them up on the stage banging on about Homepro, and getting sidelong looks from Thai spouse I really start to wonder if their thought processes are as reasonable as I had once thought. Accepting some responsibility on the part of their Thai compatriots for letting the bugger flee would be a good start. Chart Naa, na?

I was on the way to London. I felt it might be unsave to travel on British Airways for the BKK-LHR trip (not sure what PAD fanatic might think of doing), or the Captain might refuse to take me due to my political view (similar to the TG incident). So I told my agent to put me in any airlines but BA. My agent took the opportunity and sold me an over-price QF tickets. Although it was clearly a QF numbered flight, I didn't realise until I was at the gate that it was BA metal. I refuse to board and have to change my travel plane. Fortunate my ticket (so dam_n expensive) had allowed me to re-book onto a REAL QF metal the next day.

[JetsetBkk]

....3.I've never been a fan of Thaksin, Samak or even little Somchai.Yet they were or are the legitimate leaders of Thai governments...

Agree totally.

Thaksin may have been legitimately ellected once,

but the last election saw his party banned for corruption.

Samak didn't last long enough for his party to be banned.

Even thought it is one legal hurdle from being so.

Somchai stepped in for Samak until the party gets dissolved

for corruption during the election

So to say these last to are legitimately elected is pushing it.

Hence the lack of respect and trust they are being given.

They haven't earned it they are malicious caretakers at best.

There isn't even a real pretense of working for the people.

Spinning the tires till the graft contracts can be brought in for the next election.

Yes, but it's the "were or are" that's important. At one time Thaksin and his govt. were legitimate until it was proven otherwise.

Somchai and his govt. are legitimate until proven otherwise.

If the PAD mob don't understand this, then they are simply anarchists.

[jdinasia]

Jetset ... PPP has already been sent to the courts for dissolution by the EC

[animatic]

....3.I've never been a fan of Thaksin, Samak or even little Somchai.Yet they were or are the legitimate leaders of Thai governments...

Agree totally.

Thaksin may have been legitimately ellected once,

but the last election saw his party banned for corruption.

Samak didn't last long enough for his party to be banned.

Even thought it is one legal hurdle from being so.

Somchai stepped in for Samak until the party gets dissolved

for corruption during the election

So to say these last to are legitimately elected is pushing it.

Hence the lack of respect and trust they are being given.

They haven't earned it they are malicious caretakers at best.

There isn't even a real pretense of working for the people.

Spinning the tires till the graft contracts can be brought in for the next election.

Yes, but it's the "were or are" that's important. At one time Thaksin and his govt. were legitimate until it was proven otherwise.

Somchai and his govt. are legitimate until proven otherwise.

If the PAD mob don't understand this, then they are simply anarchists.

While the were and are are important and in effect for the moment,

the fact these guys WILL be banned, means they MUST have EXTRA observation

as they mis-mind the store pending court finalization.

As JD stated the PPP dissolution case has gone to the courts, and so far

NONE that have proceeded this far, have NOT been dissolved.

Thus a forgone conclusion they will be banned and broken up, awaiting time to finalize it.

PPP has one shot to jigger the playing field and change the game; maybe.

If they don't do it timely like, they are toast, and they know that.

PAD would like them to resign, but until then,

they will just shine a VERY bright light on their actions,

and aim a very LOUD speaker at them.

And hold their ground till Thaksin's paid minions are not at the levers of power.

PAD is not anarchists.

Stop throwing the word around if you don't understand it's meaning.

These people clearly know organization, which is the antithesis of anarchy.

You may not like the form of some of their political government ideas;

which I see more as conceptual trial balloons rather than hard platforms.

But JUST HAVING ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT IDEA

means they are NOT Anarchists. By definition.

Edited November 3, 2008 by animatic

[jdinasia]

And you can't claim that TRT and their proxy think all that much of Democracy since Thaksin said it didn't matter

[animatic]

And you can't claim that TRT and their proxy think all that much of Democracy since Thaksin said it didn't matter

And you can't imagine the TRT controled 'pseudo-shadow cabinet' in the "War Room" in the Shin building,

made up of banned TRT executives and a few PPP visitors / messengers, chaired by the current PPP PM's banned WIFE,

is actually working for democracy as an end goal either.

These people want POWER and nothing less.. well cash flowing to them too of course.

Edited November 3, 2008 by animatic

[JetsetBkk]

Jetset ... PPP has already been sent to the courts for dissolution by the EC

So do we know what the Election Commission is waiting for? (This isn't a test - I'm genuinely curious as to why these procedures are taking so long. )

[JetsetBkk]

...PAD is not anarchists.

Stop throwing the word around if you don't understand it's meaning.

These people clearly know organization, which is the antithesis of anarchy...

I did check the meaning of "anarchist" before I used it and the one meaning (there are several) that I thought fitted the PAD was this one:

an·ar·chism (nr-kzm)

n.

...2. Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists.

I do agree with this part of your post:

PAD would like them to resign, but until then,

they will just shine a VERY bright light on their actions,

and aim a very LOUD speaker at them.

...but I just don't like the way they are doing it.

[jdinasia]

...PAD is not anarchists.

Stop throwing the word around if you don't understand it's meaning.

These people clearly know organization, which is the antithesis of anarchy...

I did check the meaning of "anarchist" before I used it and the one meaning (there are several) that I thought fitted the PAD was this one:

an·ar·chism (nr-kzm)

n.

...2. Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists.

I do agree with this part of your post:

PAD would like them to resign, but until then,

they will just shine a VERY bright light on their actions,

and aim a very LOUD speaker at them.

...but I just don't like the way they are doing it.

ummmm sorry but you can't pick a definition that relies on a definition you didn't accept .........

[JetsetBkk]

ummmm sorry but you can't pick a definition that relies on a definition you didn't accept .........

Totally lost me there. Sorry!

[LaoPo]

PAD is not anarchists.

Stop throwing the word around if you don't understand it's meaning.

These people clearly know organization, which is the antithesis of anarchy.

You may not like the form of some of their political government ideas;

which I see more as conceptual trial balloons rather than hard platforms.

But JUST HAVING ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT IDEA

means they are NOT Anarchists. By definition.

I'm afraid it is YOU Sir, who does not fully understand the meaning and content of Anarchism as such and where it stands for. I don't know whether that is because you are a born American rather than European because the latter DO know what Anarchism stands for, I assure you, because our European parents and grand-parents witnessed and experienced the same ! And that was not a nice experience...

It's odd to think that anarchistic movements in Europe were NOT able to organize (themselves) as you put it. Far from it.

Anarchism is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which support the elimination of all compulsory government,[1] i.e. the state. - Wikipedia.

...and that is exactly where the PAD stands for: Eliminating the Government and that Sir, is Anarchy, simply because it's not based on Democracy but on the -personal hatred- thoughts and ideas of a few individuals.

There are very little to none democratic ideas in the "People's Alliance for Democracy".

I am surprised (read: shocked) that so many Farang members on TV are embracing and defending the PAD, it's actions and anarchistic ideas.

I can't tell if that behavior is based upon part- or complete ignorance about the origin of PAD and it's most important founder Sondhi Limthongkul or on real believe where the PAD stands for.

I simply can't believe the latter since most Farang (from Europe at least) know what has happened in the past 100 years alone when anarchy took over from common sense.

Your personal view is blurred when you write "which (government ideas, LP) I see more as conceptual trial balloons rather than hard platforms" because I'm convinced that Sondhi cs have drawn up hard platform plans waiting in their drawers to be put in place ACCORDING to the wishes of a few....IF THEY HAVE THE CHANCE TO GRAB POWER and govern the country...

It's naive to think the PAD stands for removal of the past and present governments alone...very naive. Sondhi wants power.

Only naive and ignorant PAD followers are not seeing this and the personal hatred thoughts of Sondhi Limthongkul cs.

But I can tell you here and now that HATE is a very bad and nasty thing in a man's brain...in the end it will destroy the carrier, ALWAYS

LaoPo

[jdinasia]

LaoPo ---

"all compulsory government" and this government or even this form of government are completely different... So sorry ... your definitions make no sense at all!

[TAWP]

LaoPo>> Make up your mind, either they are 'empowering the people' and eliminating the government or they are 'removing the power of the people' (by restructuring voting process) - the latter in your mind being the opposite of eliminating government. You seem to be highly confused as to what anarchism means. And no, we have never had a large anarchistic movement in Europe, most often any anarchistic elements are part of other ideologies, most often skinhead culture of the 80ies or neo-anarchists that are very closely related to the hardcore left.

In anyway, PAD isn't trying to eliminate the government. Claiming that is just silly.

[jdinasia]

TAWP ... you did around the 1920's but they were all tied up with the socialists and the communists and labor unions.... go figure ...

and PAD if trying to get rid of THIS government, but not all government

[TAWP]

Exactly, as parts of other groups, never as a standalone united movement. More...anarchistic elements in other extreme groups.

[animatic]

Anarchy is the intentional lack of ANY organized governing bodies.

PAD does not stand for that.

They are not doing terrorist acts to install NO GOVERNMENT BODY.

They want a change of style in the governing body.

The terrorist acts you mention MUST be in aim of annulling ALL governing structures,

or it isn't anarchist or anarchism.

The only time they are NOT an organized body is when they are confronted.

They are quite controlled otherwise. No they are not angels and getting a touch paranoid lately,

but just because your are getting paranoid, doesn't mean they are NOT OUT TO GET YOU.

But those they are protesting, and sometimes assaulted by, are less tolerable and tolerant.

They are doing acts to install a different governing structure, not NONE.

Regardless whether they are very clear on what it is they want, it is NOT Anarchy.

Never has anything matching this definition been said that I have heard of.

Calling on the army to step in is calling for DIFFERENT organizational structure to take control.

Again NOT narachy

I stand by my definition. It is correct.

and Websters Unabridge is a heck of a lot more

of a REAL reference than Wikipedia ever will be.

I lived in Europe for 10 years,

I actual know some REAL anachists. But not violent ones.

More like scots, hippie goat breaders, living in the french hills,

in yurts, and playing Romanian folk music.

(and I didn't make that up, music is the ONLY thing they like structured)

I know they exist in USA too

Chaos happened in europe ,fascisim happening in europe, socialism

and strains of communism happening in europe. Anarchy was very tiny blips

on the screen during their very rare occurances and on a strictly local basis.

Chaos that happened a lot.

Most instances were by products of governments losing control,

or not having gained enough control yet.

PAD wants a better controled government,

not one controled by proxy from abroad.

That is the INVERSE of anarchy.

Edited November 4, 2008 by animatic

[AlKing]

PAD is not anarchists.

Stop throwing the word around if you don't understand it's meaning.

These people clearly know organization, which is the antithesis of anarchy.

You may not like the form of some of their political government ideas;

which I see more as conceptual trial balloons rather than hard platforms.

But JUST HAVING ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT IDEA

means they are NOT Anarchists. By definition.

I'm afraid it is YOU Sir, who does not fully understand the meaning and content of Anarchism as such and where it stands for. I don't know whether that is because you are a born American rather than European because the latter DO know what Anarchism stands for, I assure you, because our European parents and grand-parents witnessed and experienced the same ! And that was not a nice experience...

It's odd to think that anarchistic movements in Europe were NOT able to organize (themselves) as you put it. Far from it.

Anarchism is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which support the elimination of all compulsory government,[1] i.e. the state. - Wikipedia.

...and that is exactly where the PAD stands for: Eliminating the Government and that Sir, is Anarchy, simply because it's not based on Democracy but on the -personal hatred- thoughts and ideas of a few individuals.

There are very little to none democratic ideas in the "People's Alliance for Democracy".

I am surprised (read: shocked) that so many Farang members on TV are embracing and defending the PAD, it's actions and anarchistic ideas.

I can't tell if that behavior is based upon part- or complete ignorance about the origin of PAD and it's most important founder Sondhi Limthongkul or on real believe where the PAD stands for.

I simply can't believe the latter since most Farang (from Europe at least) know what has happened in the past 100 years alone when anarchy took over from common sense.

Your personal view is blurred when you write "which (government ideas, LP) I see more as conceptual trial balloons rather than hard platforms" because I'm convinced that Sondhi cs have drawn up hard platform plans waiting in their drawers to be put in place ACCORDING to the wishes of a few....IF THEY HAVE THE CHANCE TO GRAB POWER and govern the country...

It's naive to think the PAD stands for removal of the past and present governments alone...very naive. Sondhi wants power.

Only naive and ignorant PAD followers are not seeing this and the personal hatred thoughts of Sondhi Limthongkul cs.

But I can tell you here and now that HATE is a very bad and nasty thing in a man's brain...in the end it will destroy the carrier, ALWAYS

LaoPo

Sonthi wants power? He already have power, mandated by doe.

[animatic]

...PAD is not anarchists.

Stop throwing the word around if you don't understand it's meaning.

These people clearly know organization, which is the antithesis of anarchy...

I did check the meaning of "anarchist" before I used it and the one meaning (there are several) that I thought fitted the PAD was this one:

an·ar·chism (nr-kzm)

n.

...2. Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists.

I do agree with this part of your post:

PAD would like them to resign, but until then,

they will just shine a VERY bright light on their actions,

and aim a very LOUD speaker at them.

...but I just don't like the way they are doing it.

Wrong again.

Try Websters and the actually read it and look up the other words too.

Edited November 4, 2008 by animatic

[jdinasia]

ummmm I'd do my best NY/NJ wiseguy impression and say "Youse talkin to me?" ... but I think you just got your quotes wrong again

[LaoPo]

I stand by my definition. It is correct.

and Websters Unabridge is a heck of a lot more

of a REAL reference than Wikipedia ever will be.

As far as I have read your messages my fellow Thaivisa member, YOU ARE ALWAYS CORRECT...by your own definition that is... Your problem is that you will never ever listen to anyone else's view or opinion, except your own.

Your view is always correct...you are never wrong and you will never accept another persons' vision. It's sad to see you are blinded about PAD and it's leaders' thoughts and visions.

Scary !

But...OK...I have looked it up in your beloved Webster Unabridges:

an·ar·chist

1: a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power

2: a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy ; especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order

So, the PAD is still not an anarchistic movement ?

I think Sondhi is more of an anarchist than you will ever realize...until it's too late. But, I admit, he's an anarchist who knows HOW to organize a movement into a group of followers, fed and paid, who hardly know anymore what the heck the whole demonstration is all about, apart from removing the previous and present governments and dissolution of the PPP.

But, don't be fooled..Sondhi knows...always, and he will not forget about his hate against, you know who, because THAT is the whole point and nothing else, or do YOU think the PAD's motives are about compassion for the poor rural Thai population and the installment of REAL DEMOCRACY in Thailand ?

Do YOU really believe the PAD will pack up and go home in peace and silence, once the government is toppled, the PPP gone and the rest of the miserable left-over political parties can start their political fights about WHO's going to govern Thailand ?...and Sondhi sits at home on the couch next to his wife and watch television....?

....really ? if so: how naive.

LaoPo

Edited November 5, 2008 by LaoPo