Hotel Management Wages?

[hongkong88]

Considering taking on the role of F&B manger at a resort what sort of wages is the going rate ATM? Thanks

[Rooo]

Considering taking on the role of F&B manger at a resort what sort of wages is the going rate ATM? Thanks

I think that would all depend on your qualifications,hotel size & rating,ownrship & management.I mean it can vary from 50,000 to 200,000,but then how long is a piece of string?

[Ocean11]

Considering taking on the role of F&B manger at a resort what sort of wages is the going rate ATM? Thanks

I think that would all depend on your qualifications,hotel size & rating,ownrship & management.I mean it can vary from 50,000 to 200,000,but then how long is a piece of string?

Agree with Roo, not enough info to give correct advise. 200,000.- I find a bit high for F&B, but somewhere between 30,000-100,000 is probably norm.

[hongkong88]

Considering taking on the role of F&B manger at a resort what sort of wages is the going rate ATM? Thanks

I think that would all depend on your qualifications,hotel size & rating,ownrship & management.I mean it can vary from 50,000 to 200,000,but then how long is a piece of string?

Agree with Roo, not enough info to give correct advise. 200,000.- I find a bit high for F&B, but somewhere between 30,000-100,000 is probably norm.

have excellent qualifiactions as a Chef will be first time as F&B

Thai owned and run. 53 rooms 5star in Chewang, will be the only farang employed. Thanks guys hard one I know just curious as to what wage I should ask without scaring them off!!! I

[Samuian]

Considering taking on the role of F&B manger at a resort what sort of wages is the going rate ATM? Thanks

I think that would all depend on your qualifications,hotel size & rating,ownrship & management.I mean it can vary from 50,000 to 200,000,but then how long is a piece of string?

Agree with Roo, not enough info to give correct advise. 200,000.- I find a bit high for F&B, but somewhere between 30,000-100,000 is probably norm.

have excellent qualifiactions as a Chef will be first time as F&B

Thai owned and run. 53 rooms 5star in Chewang, will be the only farang employed. Thanks guys hard one I know just curious as to what wage I should ask without scaring them off!!! I

Don't really get the point why you are going for F&B if you are a chef with "excellent qualifications".... but yes if so, by law foreigners MUST be paid a minimum wage of 50.000 (taxed at least!) go for the top, if lower than 200.000, accommodation, transport, insurance, health care, social benefits etc. should be included!

Go for less if you simply want to work here for the "fun of it"!

Didn't they make you an offer?

[lazygourmet]

Sorry if I misunderstood ; but apparently you found the job, on the spot, for a family run hotel (stars don't matter - turnover, yes!).

In that case, and I know a bit about the "industry", especially in the gulf islands, you should not expect more than thirty thousands.

As samuian said you'll be declared on a minimum of fifty, on which you'll pay taxes related to that (fictitious) income.

As well, being yourself an experienced professional, you should easily evaluate your skills (if any) without asking anonymous forum members about your future.

Once again, I don't want to be rude or negative but it looks that "amateur hoteliers" season is open...

[hanno]

200,000 for an F&B Manager? Don't think there is many jobs like that around, most GM's in Thailand earn less than that.

[Ocean11]

Considering taking on the role of F&B manger at a resort what sort of wages is the going rate ATM? Thanks

I think that would all depend on your qualifications,hotel size & rating,ownrship & management.I mean it can vary from 50,000 to 200,000,but then how long is a piece of string?

Agree with Roo, not enough info to give correct advise. 200,000.- I find a bit high for F&B, but somewhere between 30,000-100,000 is probably norm.

have excellent qualifiactions as a Chef will be first time as F&B

Thai owned and run. 53 rooms 5star in Chewang, will be the only farang employed. Thanks guys hard one I know just curious as to what wage I should ask without scaring them off!!! I

53 room 5 star ??? There is no resort like that on Chaweng. Only farrang ??? Be careful let me tell you ....

[Ocean11]

200,000 for an F&B Manager? Don't think there is many jobs like that around, most GM's in Thailand earn less than that.

NO F&B manger on Samui gets 200,000.-- ------trust me !!!

Edited November 24, 2008 by Ocean11

[nokmdk]

This thread made me laugh a bit sorry.

I'm the EMD at my resort here in Samui. I can tell you 100%, no F&B makes more than 50,000.

Typical wage for westerner in hotel for Samui, is about 50,000 - 150,000 for upper management.

F&B is NOT upper management.

GL

[koheesti]

This thread made me laugh a bit sorry.

I'm the EMD at my resort here in Samui. I can tell you 100%, no F&B makes more than 50,000.

Typical wage for westerner in hotel for Samui, is about 50,000 - 150,000 for upper management.

F&B is NOT upper management.

GL

No more than 50k? Do they usually get other benefits like a free place to stay and some F&B for themselves? Because 50k is a pretty paltry sum - especially if, as his username implies, he is from Hong Kong.

Edited December 8, 2008 by koheesti

[nokmdk]

First, user name Nokmdk, i was under the impression you have been in Thailand a fair bit, maybe my oversite there, Nok is a Thai word for a bird. (Maybe i didn't fully understand the - especially if, as his username implies, he is from Hong Kong) comment.

Why would a hotel/resort, pay more than 50,000 per month for a western F&B manager? A Thai manager can do it just as well, and 99% of the time, do it much better. Won't get into all the reasons why, just need say he is Thai, can speak Thai, understands Thai staff.

Average F&B manager wage for a Thai person in Samui is around 30-40k per month.

Now, yes that typicaly does include all meals, housing (hotel owned, not very nice most times).

If anyone thinks they can make it in Samui as a F&B manager with dreams of 150,000 , they might be surprised.

Again, F&B is not upper management, it's not even middle management in some hotels/resorts. Answers to MD, EMD, GM, RM, ACC, and others. Also one of the higher turn over positions due to verious reasons.

It's a position suitable to live being a bit money tight, but more than do able i'd say.

[koheesti]

First, user name Nokmdk, i was under the impression you have been in Thailand a fair bit, maybe my oversite there, Nok is a Thai word for a bird. (Maybe i didn't fully understand the - especially if, as his username implies, he is from Hong Kong) comment.

Yes, I'm refering to the OP with username hongkong88. If he's been working in HKG then a salary of under $1500 USD wouldn't seem like much

Why would a hotel/resort, pay more than 50,000 per month for a western F&B manager? A Thai manager can do it just as well, and 99% of the time, do it much better. Won't get into all the reasons why, just need say he is Thai, can speak Thai, understands Thai staff.

I guess it would depend on their duties. Ordering stock and managing Thai employees can be handled better probably by a local. But if the job includes running of a bar/restaurant serving mostly westerners and marketed towards them then a westerner might be better. All of course depending on their experience.

Average F&B manager wage for a Thai person in Samui is around 30-40k per month.

Now, yes that typicaly does include all meals, housing (hotel owned, not very nice most times).

If anyone thinks they can make it in Samui as a F&B manager with dreams of 150,000 , they might be surprised.

Thais can live off less than foreigners. EVERYTHING that doesn't have a price sticker on it costs Thais much less than us foreigners. So you can pay them less, but are you getting what you pay for? Again, depends on qualifications and experience.

Again, F&B is not upper management, it's not even middle management in some hotels/resorts. Answers to MD, EMD, GM, RM, ACC, and others. Also one of the higher turn over positions due to verious reasons.

It's a position suitable to live being a bit money tight, but more than do able i'd say.

One of which might be the low pay.

[nokmdk]

Just noticed now, my bad, you were talking of the poster before with name of Hongkong. Got it

[Eli27]

I have a farang friend who recently started managing a "five star" Villa. He says he gets about 25000bht as a salary. its about 40000bht - 60000bht to stay per night. so maybe people are expecting too much. or maybe it has something to do that the owners are Isreali? i wont say the name of the villa but you might have a fair idea

[Jambo]

40000-60000 baht per night??

[Jingthing]

maybe it has something to do that the owners are Isreali?

What has that got to do with anything?

Edited December 11, 2008 by Jingthing

[huggybear]

Considering taking on the role of F&B manger at a resort what sort of wages is the going rate ATM? Thanks

Don't do it.

Not only will you be paid less than 40,000thb, you will be squeezed by Thai owners that don't understand why you cannot increase revenue while you have to buy your products at the cheapest prices...........

You're better off being a chef here.

[churchill]

maybe it has something to do that the owners are Isreali?

What has that got to do with anything?

I think he inferred that the owners keep a very tight budget and so are very careful about the salaries they pay . In other words good businessmen !

[Jingthing]

maybe it has something to do that the owners are Isreali?

What has that got to do with anything?

I think he inferred that the owners keep a very tight budget and so are very careful about the salaries they pay . In other words good businessmen !

Oh. thanks for that clarification. I had thought he was implying all Jews are cheap bastards.

[sbk]

Off topic comments have been deleted. Please keep your prejudices to yourself. thanks.

[mattias33]

Why would a hotel/resort, pay more than 50,000 per month for a western F&B manager? A Thai manager can do it just as well, and 99% of the time, do it much better. Won't get into all the reasons why, just need say he is Thai, can speak Thai, understands Thai staff.

When it comes to hotel managing i dont at all agree that a thai would do it anywhere near as good as a westerner. Honestly. Many hotels dont rent to thais at all, and all hotels on this island for sure have 98% western customers, or more. The thing in the managers job that needs a thai, a good manager have thais among the staff that helps him out with. Understanding the Thai things is one thing, but the thing a thai can´t is understanding his customers, and thats the more important thing. Also westerners have a complete different understanding in areas like keeping the fridge full so everything on the menu can be served, serving food at the same time for everybody on the table etc. I was recently living 3 days in a hotel in surath. Thai managed. For 3 days i tried to order ham and cheese sandwich and got the answer "solly, no cheese". The hotel was door to door to 7/11. Thai just have no understanding for certain things that are important in westerners eyes. Thai manager in a hotel in surath, were the customers are 80 % thai, fine. In samui, no way.

Ohh, and when it comes to staff. My old gardener just got a new job. He asked me when i offered him the job "is it falang or thai owners/managers?". He told me that he dont work with thai managers. Have to be farang. Thais is only problem he said. Happy one day and fired the next. Speak very "strong words" to the staff.

[tb86]

Why would a hotel/resort, pay more than 50,000 per month for a western F&B manager? A Thai manager can do it just as well, and 99% of the time, do it much better. Won't get into all the reasons why, just need say he is Thai, can speak Thai, understands Thai staff.

When it comes to hotel managing i dont at all agree that a thai would do it anywhere near as good as a westerner. Honestly. Many hotels dont rent to thais at all, and all hotels on this island for sure have 98% western customers, or more. The thing in the managers job that needs a thai, a good manager have thais among the staff that helps him out with. Understanding the Thai things is one thing, but the thing a thai can´t is understanding his customers, and thats the more important thing. Also westerners have a complete different understanding in areas like keeping the fridge full so everything on the menu can be served, serving food at the same time for everybody on the table etc. I was recently living 3 days in a hotel in surath. Thai managed. For 3 days i tried to order ham and cheese sandwich and got the answer "solly, no cheese". The hotel was door to door to 7/11. Thai just have no understanding for certain things that are important in westerners eyes. Thai manager in a hotel in surath, were the customers are 80 % thai, fine. In samui, no way.

Ohh, and when it comes to staff. My old gardener just got a new job. He asked me when i offered him the job "is it falang or thai owners/managers?". He told me that he dont work with thai managers. Have to be farang. Thais is only problem he said. Happy one day and fired the next. Speak very "strong words" to the staff.

30 to 50K as a f&b manager,??????? dude i have some great head hunter contacts, i used them when first looking into re locating here, as a pastry chef my offers were almost always 180,000 to 200,000 a month as a f&b manager you should be much higher, ifr your responsible for all of the operations outlets, pirvate events, catering, room service, ect.... 30k is what a thai sous chef gets per month.... if its a guest house ok but a proper resort no way let me know if you want and i can send the head hunter info to you......30k cmon, thais do a better f&b job???? if you like ice in your beer and chilled red wine maybe.

[lenwow]

Why would a hotel/resort, pay more than 50,000 per month for a western F&B manager? A Thai manager can do it just as well, and 99% of the time, do it much better. Won't get into all the reasons why, just need say he is Thai, can speak Thai, understands Thai staff.

When it comes to hotel managing i dont at all agree that a thai would do it anywhere near as good as a westerner. Honestly. Many hotels dont rent to thais at all, and all hotels on this island for sure have 98% western customers, or more. The thing in the managers job that needs a thai, a good manager have thais among the staff that helps him out with. Understanding the Thai things is one thing, but the thing a thai can´t is understanding his customers, and thats the more important thing. Also westerners have a complete different understanding in areas like keeping the fridge full so everything on the menu can be served, serving food at the same time for everybody on the table etc. I was recently living 3 days in a hotel in surath. Thai managed. For 3 days i tried to order ham and cheese sandwich and got the answer "solly, no cheese". The hotel was door to door to 7/11. Thai just have no understanding for certain things that are important in westerners eyes. Thai manager in a hotel in surath, were the customers are 80 % thai, fine. In samui, no way.

Ohh, and when it comes to staff. My old gardener just got a new job. He asked me when i offered him the job "is it falang or thai owners/managers?". He told me that he dont work with thai managers. Have to be farang. Thais is only problem he said. Happy one day and fired the next. Speak very "strong words" to the staff.

30 to 50K as a f&b manager,??????? dude i have some great head hunter contacts, i used them when first looking into re locating here, as a pastry chef my offers were almost always 180,000 to 200,000 a month as a f&b manager you should be much higher, ifr your responsible for all of the operations outlets, pirvate events, catering, room service, ect.... 30k is what a thai sous chef gets per month.... if its a guest house ok but a proper resort no way let me know if you want and i can send the head hunter info to you......30k cmon, thais do a better f&b job???? if you like ice in your beer and chilled red wine maybe.

sure...200,000 for a pastry chef...this is new years not april fools

[maccaroni man]

Why would a hotel/resort, pay more than 50,000 per month for a western F&B manager? A Thai manager can do it just as well, and 99% of the time, do it much better. Won't get into all the reasons why, just need say he is Thai, can speak Thai, understands Thai staff.

When it comes to hotel managing i dont at all agree that a thai would do it anywhere near as good as a westerner. Honestly. Many hotels dont rent to thais at all, and all hotels on this island for sure have 98% western customers, or more. The thing in the managers job that needs a thai, a good manager have thais among the staff that helps him out with. Understanding the Thai things is one thing, but the thing a thai can´t is understanding his customers, and thats the more important thing. Also westerners have a complete different understanding in areas like keeping the fridge full so everything on the menu can be served, serving food at the same time for everybody on the table etc. I was recently living 3 days in a hotel in surath. Thai managed. For 3 days i tried to order ham and cheese sandwich and got the answer "solly, no cheese". The hotel was door to door to 7/11. Thai just have no understanding for certain things that are important in westerners eyes. Thai manager in a hotel in surath, were the customers are 80 % thai, fine. In samui, no way.

Ohh, and when it comes to staff. My old gardener just got a new job. He asked me when i offered him the job "is it falang or thai owners/managers?". He told me that he dont work with thai managers. Have to be farang. Thais is only problem he said. Happy one day and fired the next. Speak very "strong words" to the staff.

30 to 50K as a f&b manager,??????? dude i have some great head hunter contacts, i used them when first looking into re locating here, as a pastry chef my offers were almost always 180,000 to 200,000 a month as a f&b manager you should be much higher, ifr your responsible for all of the operations outlets, pirvate events, catering, room service, ect.... 30k is what a thai sous chef gets per month.... if its a guest house ok but a proper resort no way let me know if you want and i can send the head hunter info to you......30k cmon, thais do a better f&b job???? if you like ice in your beer and chilled red wine maybe.

sure...200,000 for a pastry chef...this is new years not april fools

agreed dude share what you are smoking the board has already had many people in the know giving the facts so why bless us with your misinformation

[hanno]

as a pastry chef my offers were almost always 180,000 to 200,000 a month

Could you please let me have the names of the hotels that offered you salaries like that? I want to quit my job as a General Manager of a hotel and start working there as a pastry chef, it sure pays more

[BigC]

i get paid about 25 baht a month. 27 baht with over time. i am rich but i don't like to brag about it

[tb86]

hmm ok guys, pastry chef at lenotre in bkk was taking 350,000 in salary and bennies a month before he opened his own place, oriental pays 180,000- 200,000k for pastry chef the list goes on and on its not my fault you guys got suckered into lower paying jobs, believe it or not plenty of money out there if you know where to look and have some negotiating help

[tb86]

as a pastry chef my offers were almost always 180,000 to 200,000 a month

Could you please let me have the names of the hotels that offered you salaries like that? I want to quit my job as a General Manager of a hotel and start working there as a pastry chef, it sure pays more

yeah but what kind of hotel do you work at? How did you get the job did they bring you in from europe or else where? how big is the hotel you work at? how expensive are the room rates 160-200, 300-600, 600+, how much volume do you do , how many restaurants do you have, do you do private events regulary? ect ect. If your working in a 50 room place that charges 175 usd a night then of course your not going to make that kind of money,

Edited December 29, 2008 by tb86

[tb86]

would you like me to list the names of hotels and salary rates that i have seen over the last year?

dosent bother me one bit, but i can asure you that as of 6 months ago there were plenty of six figure salaries out there,

and im sure there are still plenty of them out there