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[sabaijai]

Received at major news outlets this morning:

People's Alliance for Democracy Announcement 26/2008

on

The Ultimatum for the Prime Minister to Resign Immediately and Without Condition

โดย ASTVผู้จัดการออนไลน์ 26 พฤศจิกายน 2551 09:08 น.

The People's Alliance for Democracy has been rallying continuously since May 25, 2008 for 2 main objectives;

1. To prevent the rewriting of the 2007 Constitution by the proxy government of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra who are trying to amend the charter to whitewash the crimes committed by Thaksin and his cronies and to destroy the country’s judiciary system. The PAD also strives to prevent the proxy government from abolishing the Privy Council, a move which the PAD considers to be a direct violation of His Majesty the King’s authority.

The current Thai Parliament is also considered to be under Thaksin’s complete control. It has committed various wrongdoings and violated election laws, yet continues to claim it represents the people of Thailand. But in truth, the proxy Parliament is a sale to any highest bidding politician. The Constitution court’s imminent deliberation of a various party dissolution cases against several of the government coalition partners is proof enough of the fact that Thakin’s proxy government is not a truly ‘constitutional’ government of Thailand.

2. To drive out the killer government that has shamelessly acted as a nominee for fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra. The government is clearly behind the ruthless killings of Thai citizens, manipulated state media, supports the destruction of the Thai judiciary system, exploits the country’s national budget, condones lese majeste actions, lacks any ethical standing and therefore is deemed to be an illegitimate government which is not fit to administer the Kingdom.

For the above reasons the People's Alliance for Democracy has been rallying peacefully and without arms, a right which is sanctioned by the 2007 Constitution Article 63. Article 70 stipulates that a Thai citizen has the responsibilities to protect the 3 pillars of the country; the nation, religion and the King and the nation’s constitutional monarchy.

However, during the course of the rally the lives and safety of supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy have been in constant jeopardy. The government is also clearly involved in masterminding various violent attacks against the PAD. It has also turned a blind eye when the PAD was attacked with weapons of war on more than 10 occasions. The ruthless attacks have resulted in countless injuries and 4 deaths. Several attacks were also targeted at the ASTV headquarters in an attempt to prevent that station from broadcasting live the PAD rally. The government has yet to take any responsibility for the underhanded sabotage attempts.

Three Senate committees, tasked with investigating the violence and bloodshed of the October 7th incident, have found that the PM Somchai Wongsawat and his Cabinet ministers are to be held responsible for the injuries and deaths of the protesters. Their findings coincide with that of the National Human Rights Commission. Premier Somchai must take responsibility for the tragedy by resigning immediately and without any condition.

The People's Alliance for Democracy has called for a final mass rally to stop the traitorous government and proxy Parliament on November 23, 2008 at 2 p.m. The final rally is well into its 50th hour and the supporters of the PAD have been pressuring the traitorous government to step down with peaceful means. Armed with only the plastic hand clappers, the PAD protesters have marched to various key locations including Parliament, Finance ministry, the Metropolitan Police Bureau and the government’s temporary seat at Don Muang Airport. However, to no avail, the proxy government has failed to show any sign of remorse or any intention to step down as demanded by the PAD. In addition, it continues to cling on to power and is determined to amend the charter for the interests of its puppet master and his associates.

The People's Alliance for Democracy is left with no choice but to step up its peaceful rally by blocking off access to the Suvarnabhumi Airport. This is considered to be an ultimatum for Somchai Wongsawat and the Cabinet to resign immediately and without any condition.

The people's alliance apologizes for any inconvenience the closure of the Suvarnabhumi Airport may cause to the public and international visitors to the Kingdom of Thailand. But the PAD believes the measure is crucial to bring an end to the traitorous-killer government.

The PAD is calling for the public from all walks of life to join the PAD movement and call for the current administration to resign immediately to protect Thailand from more harm and to restore morals to the Thai society without any further delay.

With deepest respect, People's Alliance for Democracy Tuesday, November 25, 2008

[jitagon]

Received at major news outlets this morning:

People's Alliance for Democracy Announcement 26/2008

on

The Ultimatum for the Prime Minister to Resign Immediately and Without Condition

โดย ASTVผู้จัดการออนไลน์ 26 พฤศจิกายน 2551 09:08 น.

The People's Alliance for Democracy has been rallying continuously since May 25, 2008 for 2 main objectives;

1. To prevent the rewriting of the 2007 Constitution by the proxy government of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra who are trying to amend the charter to whitewash the crimes committed by Thaksin and his cronies and to destroy the country’s judiciary system. The PAD also strives to prevent the proxy government from abolishing the Privy Council, a move which the PAD considers to be a direct violation of His Majesty the King’s authority.

The current Thai Parliament is also considered to be under Thaksin’s complete control. It has committed various wrongdoings and violated election laws, yet continues to claim it represents the people of Thailand. But in truth, the proxy Parliament is a sale to any highest bidding politician. The Constitution court’s imminent deliberation of a various party dissolution cases against several of the government coalition partners is proof enough of the fact that Thakin’s proxy government is not a truly ‘constitutional’ government of Thailand.

2. To drive out the killer government that has shamelessly acted as a nominee for fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra. The government is clearly behind the ruthless killings of Thai citizens, manipulated state media, supports the destruction of the Thai judiciary system, exploits the country’s national budget, condones lese majeste actions, lacks any ethical standing and therefore is deemed to be an illegitimate government which is not fit to administer the Kingdom.

For the above reasons the People's Alliance for Democracy has been rallying peacefully and without arms, a right which is sanctioned by the 2007 Constitution Article 63. Article 70 stipulates that a Thai citizen has the responsibilities to protect the 3 pillars of the country; the nation, religion and the King and the nation’s constitutional monarchy.

However, during the course of the rally the lives and safety of supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy have been in constant jeopardy. The government is also clearly involved in masterminding various violent attacks against the PAD. It has also turned a blind eye when the PAD was attacked with weapons of war on more than 10 occasions. The ruthless attacks have resulted in countless injuries and 4 deaths. Several attacks were also targeted at the ASTV headquarters in an attempt to prevent that station from broadcasting live the PAD rally. The government has yet to take any responsibility for the underhanded sabotage attempts.

Three Senate committees, tasked with investigating the violence and bloodshed of the October 7th incident, have found that the PM Somchai Wongsawat and his Cabinet ministers are to be held responsible for the injuries and deaths of the protesters. Their findings coincide with that of the National Human Rights Commission. Premier Somchai must take responsibility for the tragedy by resigning immediately and without any condition.

The People's Alliance for Democracy has called for a final mass rally to stop the traitorous government and proxy Parliament on November 23, 2008 at 2 p.m. The final rally is well into its 50th hour and the supporters of the PAD have been pressuring the traitorous government to step down with peaceful means. Armed with only the plastic hand clappers, the PAD protesters have marched to various key locations including Parliament, Finance ministry, the Metropolitan Police Bureau and the government’s temporary seat at Don Muang Airport. However, to no avail, the proxy government has failed to show any sign of remorse or any intention to step down as demanded by the PAD. In addition, it continues to cling on to power and is determined to amend the charter for the interests of its puppet master and his associates.

The People's Alliance for Democracy is left with no choice but to step up its peaceful rally by blocking off access to the Suvarnabhumi Airport. This is considered to be an ultimatum for Somchai Wongsawat and the Cabinet to resign immediately and without any condition.

The people's alliance apologizes for any inconvenience the closure of the Suvarnabhumi Airport may cause to the public and international visitors to the Kingdom of Thailand. But the PAD believes the measure is crucial to bring an end to the traitorous-killer government.

The PAD is calling for the public from all walks of life to join the PAD movement and call for the current administration to resign immediately to protect Thailand from more harm and to restore morals to the Thai society without any further delay.

With deepest respect, People's Alliance for Democracy Tuesday, November 25, 2008

Very telling that ONCE AGAIN a very important and pertinent to the current situation statement, has not been commented upon by any of the mudslingers on this forum. Not for the first time during this long and difficult transition to something resembling a true democracy here in Thailand , I find the overall reaction to something perhaps outside the'comfort zone' of certain of the expats here to be much more, um, interesting, than the events themselves. Pass The Crucible anyone?

Edited November 26, 2008 by jitagon

[ChiangMaiThai]

Can the Red T-Shirt wearing people post here and tell me how the PAD press release is inaccurate? I don't know who is right and who is wrong, but the above statement seems logical and convincing and I would like to see a well written rebuttal.

[blaze]

Can the Red T-Shirt wearing people post here and tell me how the PAD press release is inaccurate? I don't know who is right and who is wrong, but the above statement seems logical and convincing and I would like to see a well written rebuttal.

It preaches to the converted. Much of it will be seen, by its foreign audience, rightly or wrongly, as incendiary political propoganda and little more- unsubstantiated allegations, opinions, and vitriol. Read it carefully- imagining that you knew absolutely nothing about what has precipitated the takeover of the airport- or Thai politics- how much of it would appeal to your reason?

The part about the findings of the senate committees investigating Oct 7 plays well- but anyone who saw last night's Nation TV footage of the PAD guards firing guns would wonder just how many lies and omissions this statement includes ('armed with nothing but handclappers').

Edited November 26, 2008 by blaze

[ChiangMaiThai]

Can the Red T-Shirt wearing people post here and tell me how the PAD press release is inaccurate? I don't know who is right and who is wrong, but the above statement seems logical and convincing and I would like to see a well written rebuttal.

It preaches to the converted. Much of it will be seen, by its foreign audience, rightly or wrongly, as incendiary political propoganda and little more- unsubstantiated allegations, opinions, and vitriol. Read it carefully- imagining that you knew absolutely nothing about what has precipitated the takeover of the airport- or Thai politics- how much of it would appeal to your reason?

If the allegations in the press release are true, then the PAD are freedom fighters. Fighting to overthrow a corrupt government, even if it was democratically elected.

Are the allegations true? That's where the debate begins...and never ends.

[Plus]

People who follow Thai politics know the deal with Thaksin and puppet governments.

Somchai would have zero support if something happens to him.

Ok, it's not some orange or violet or velvet revolution in aspiring NATO states, those people's revolutions are very much encouraged by the democracy loving West, but still, Thaksin-Somchai axis is very hard to defend regarldess of what you think of PAD.

[britmaveric]

PAD are bunch of thugs - def no different than what they are protesting. The difference - the govt was elected, and this is what pisses them off to no end. Any rate - get water canons out and break this stupidity up. Thailand once again the laffing stock of the world.

[Crushdepth]

I just hope one day Thailand gets a government that actually wants to work for the benefit of the country.

[Plus]

the govt was elected, and this is what pisses them off to no end

Oh, and I thought it was "Thaksin ohk pai" all the way.

How did you manage to miss that little reason to be pissed off, BM?

[britmaveric]

You stick with what u elected for better or worse - once every Thai realizes this then we can move forward. However until then we have to deal with instability and this circus like environment.

[animatic]

I just hope one day Thailand gets a government that actually wants to work for the benefit of the country.

There ya go...

Goes to the core of the whole shebang.

The responses against, above, are just bile and mudslinging.

They address none of the issues,

ignore the message of you hate the messenger.

Edited November 26, 2008 by animatic

[Plus]

You stick with what u elected for better or worse

The government that works for Thaksin instead of the country is guilty of treason, it doesn't matter if it was elected or not - it's not fit to govern. Exactly the same argument I typed a million times in Thaksin days - you can't hold elections to whitewash your personal run-ins with the criminal law.

Conversely - should the govt decide to serve the country instead of Thaksin, PAD will have no reasons to protest any further. In fact that was a general idea when Samak was forced out - new start, negotiations with PAD, the country moves forward.

Didn't happen, pro-Thaksin agenda has been pushed forward while all other government matters are put on backburner.

[JoeInSurin]

Received at major news outlets this morning:

People's Alliance for Democracy Announcement 26/2008

on

The Ultimatum for the Prime Minister to Resign Immediately and Without Condition

โดย ASTVผู้จัดการออนไลน์ 26 พฤศจิกายน 2551 09:08 น.

The People's Alliance for Democracy (killer mob) has been rallying continuously since May 25, 2008 for 2 main objectives;

1. To prevent the rewriting of the 2007 Constitution (that was written by an illegal coup) by the proxy government of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra who are trying to amend the charter (that white washed the crimes committed by the illegal coup) to whitewash the crimes committed by Thaksin and his cronies and to destroy the country's judiciary system. The PAD also strives to prevent the proxy government from abolishing the Privy Council, a move which the PAD considers to be a direct violation of His Majesty the King's authority.

The current Thai Parliament is also considered (by the mobs opinion) to be under Thaksin's complete control. It has committed various wrongdoings and violated election laws (that are being looked into according to legal Thai law and not a vigilante mob) , yet continues to claim it represents the people of Thailand. But in truth, the proxy Parliament is a sale to any highest bidding politician( another propaganda opinion by the mob). The Constitution court's imminent deliberation of a various party dissolution cases against several of the government coalition partners is proof enough of the fact that Thakin's proxy government is not a truly 'constitutional' government of Thailand (If they have come to this conclusion they should be desolved by the court and not by a vigilante mob that has no legal jurisdiction).

2. To drive out the killer government( the killing was caused by faulty tear gas canisters from China used against an unruly mob assaulting police) (and the killings by PAD are OK) that has shamelessly acted as a nominee for fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra. The government is clearly behind the ruthless killings of Thai citizens, manipulated state media (ASTV has not manipulated any propagana?), supports the destruction of the Thai judiciary system, exploits the country's national budget, condones lese majeste actions (Are you kidding?), lacks any ethical standing and therefore is deemed to be an illegitimate government (by a minority mob which the mob of armed gunmen have decided) think which is not fit to administer the Kingdom.

For the above reasons the People's Alliance for Democracy has been rallying peacefully and without arms (except for the gunman shooting off of the PAD truck last night), a right which is sanctioned by the 2007 Constitution Article 63. Article 70 stipulates that a Thai citizen has the responsibilities to protect the 3 pillars of the country; the nation, religion and the King and the nation's constitutional monarchy (and take over government buildings and stop international air traffic).

However, during the course of the rally the lives and safety of supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy have been in constant jeopardy. The government is also clearly involved in masterminding various violent attacks against the PAD. It has also turned a blind eye when the PAD was attacked with weapons of war on more than 10 occasions. The ruthless attacks have resulted in countless injuries and 4 deaths. Several attacks were also targeted at the ASTV headquarters in an attempt to prevent that station from broadcasting live the PAD rally (Have you forgot to mention the attack on PBS meant to do the same??) . The government has yet to take any responsibility for the underhanded sabotage attempts.

(Has the PAD taken responsibility for its attacks?)

Three Senate committees, tasked with investigating the violence and bloodshed of the October 7th incident, have found that the PM Somchai Wongsawat and his Cabinet ministers are to be held responsible for the injuries and deaths of the protesters. Their findings coincide with that of the National Human Rights Commission. Premier Somchai must take responsibility for the tragedy by resigning immediately and without any condition.

The People's Alliance for Democracy has called for a final mass rally to stop the (democraticly elected government untill the courts dissolve them) traitorous government and proxy Parliament on November 23, 2008 at 2 p.m. The final rally is well into its 50th hour and the supporters of the PAD have been pressuring the traitorous government to step down with peaceful means (other than the taxi drivers being shot) . Armed with only the plastic hand clappers (and pistols used in the taxi driver shooting) , the PAD protesters have marched to various key locations including Parliament, Finance ministry, the Metropolitan Police Bureau and the government's temporary seat at Don Muang Airport. However, to no avail, the proxy government has failed to show any sign ( of stepping down to an illegal mob) of remorse or any intention to step down as demanded by the PAD. In addition, it continues to cling on to power and is determined to amend the charter for the interests of its puppet master and his associates.

The People's Alliance for Democracy is left with no choice but to ( lose more face and look stupid to the international community) step up its peaceful rally ( other than shooting a few taxi drivers on the way there )by blocking off access to the Suvarnabhumi Airport. This is considered to be an ultimatum for Somchai Wongsawat and the Cabinet to resign immediately and without any condition.

The people's alliance apologizes for any inconvenience (in causing a billion baht of losses to Thailand so far to maintain mob rule)the closure of the Suvarnabhumi Airport may cause to the public and international visitors to the Kingdom of Thailand. But the PAD believes the measure is crucial to bring an end to the (democracy of Thailand) traitorous-killer government.

The PAD is calling for the public from all walks ( lizards and snakes included) of life to join the PAD movement and call for the current administration to resign immediately to ( end democracy in Thailand) protect Thailand from more harm and to restore (mob rule instead of democracy) morals to the Thai society without any further delay.

With deepest respect (to the brainwashed fools that would be stupid enough to belive this BS) , People's Alliance for Democracy Tuesday, November 25, 2008

[Wolfie]

With deepest respect, People's Alliance for Democracy Tuesday, November 25, 2008

These f*cking idiots dont even know the word respect, never mind signing off with the words...

If the Government/Police wont do something about them, its time the Military did... they are no better than "Domestic Terrorists" in my (humble) opinion

[annamaria4711]

Received at major news outlets this morning:

People's Alliance for Democracy Announcement 26/2008

on

The Ultimatum for the Prime Minister to Resign Immediately and Without Condition

โดย ASTVผู้จัดการออนไลน์ 26 พฤศจิกายน 2551 09:08 น.

The People's Alliance for Democracy has been rallying continuously since May 25, 2008 for 2 main objectives;

1. To prevent the rewriting of the 2007 Constitution by the proxy government of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra who are trying to amend the charter to whitewash the crimes committed by Thaksin and his cronies and to destroy the country’s judiciary system. The PAD also strives to prevent the proxy government from abolishing the Privy Council, a move which the PAD considers to be a direct violation of His Majesty the King’s authority.

The 2007 constitution was a re-write by the military coup leaders, basically re-writing a legitimately written and democratically agreed consented by the people of Thailand in 1997. The military coup leaders basically pushed thru the 'new' constitution when most of Thailand was under curfew and was not allowed to convene in any great numbers to discus said new amendments which basically protect the coup leaders if at a later date they are found to have contravened a law, basically removing any post humous actions upon them.

The current Thai Parliament is also considered to be under Thaksin’s complete control. It has committed various wrongdoings and violated election laws, yet continues to claim it represents the people of Thailand. But in truth, the proxy Parliament is a sale to any highest bidding politician. The Constitution court’s imminent deliberation of a various party dissolution cases against several of the government coalition partners is proof enough of the fact that Thakin’s proxy government is not a truly ‘constitutional’ government of Thailand.

Considered..is not a fact and considered by whom? Please state facts to wrong doings? ie like the ex BKK governor who is a Democrat and was found to be corrupt with public money? that is a fact. The current government continues to represent the people of Thailand because even with all the attempts by the military to remove any persons whose manifesto would help the rural poor....the poor of Thailand still managed to get their chosen elected party members in. And they will do so time and time again....Your last statement is purely subjective and you have no hard based facts to prove it.

2. To drive out the killer government that has shamelessly acted as a nominee for fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra. The government is clearly behind the ruthless killings of Thai citizens, manipulated state media, supports the destruction of the Thai judiciary system, exploits the country’s national budget, condones lese majeste actions, lacks any ethical standing and therefore is deemed to be an illegitimate government which is not fit to administer the Kingdom.

Killers...now let me see, who was the chap wearing a yellow top shooting a gun out into the public yesterday///ohh that was a Pathetic Adult Demonstrator. Fact the police have not used battons or knives or indeed guns..all of which the zombie brainwashed have. Lese Majeste...now lets see who is waving the HRH pictures and shooting the public under his name ??

For the above reasons the People's Alliance for Democracy has been rallying peacefully and without arms, a right which is sanctioned by the 2007 Constitution Article 63. Article 70 stipulates that a Thai citizen has the responsibilities to protect the 3 pillars of the country; the nation, religion and the King and the nation’s constitutional monarchy. [/color]Peace fully and without arms....do you have eyes or are you simply without shame..please read my above comment...peacefully and without arms..LIARS, re the constitution read the above facts too that the military coup makers don't want you to know.

However, during the course of the rally the lives and safety of supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy have been in constant jeopardy. The government is also clearly involved in masterminding various violent attacks against the PAD. It has also turned a blind eye when the PAD was attacked with weapons of war on more than 10 occasions. The ruthless attacks have resulted in countless injuries and 4 deaths. Several attacks were also targeted at the ASTV headquarters in an attempt to prevent that station from broadcasting live the PAD rally. The government has yet to take any responsibility for the underhanded sabotage attempts.

[/color] Who is waging violent attacks?

Three Senate committees, tasked with investigating the violence and bloodshed of the October 7th incident, have found that the PM Somchai Wongsawat and his Cabinet ministers are to be held responsible for the injuries and deaths of the protesters. Their findings coincide with that of the National Human Rights Commission. Premier Somchai must take responsibility for the tragedy by resigning immediately and without any condition.

Read it again..if you ever read it the first time or are you simply mouthing your dictators Sonthi's words ?

The People's Alliance for Democracy has called for a final mass rally to stop the traitorous government and proxy Parliament on November 23, 2008 at 2 p.m. The final rally is well into its 50th hour and the supporters of the PAD have been pressuring the traitorous government to step down with peaceful means. Armed with only the plastic hand clappers, the PAD protesters have marched to various key locations including Parliament, Finance ministry, the Metropolitan Police Bureau and the government’s temporary seat at Don Muang Airport. However, to no avail, the proxy government has failed to show any sign of remorse or any intention to step down as demanded by the PAD. In addition, it continues to cling on to power and is determined to amend the charter for the interests of its puppet master and his associates.

The People's Alliance for Democracy is left with no choice but to step up its peaceful rally by blocking off access to the Suvarnabhumi Airport. This is considered to be an ultimatum for Somchai Wongsawat and the Cabinet to resign immediately and without any condition.

The people's alliance apologizes for any inconvenience the closure of the Suvarnabhumi Airport may cause to the public and international visitors to the Kingdom of Thailand. But the PAD believes the measure is crucial to bring an end to the traitorous-killer government.

The PAD is calling for the public from all walks of life to join the PAD movement and call for the current administration to resign immediately to protect Thailand from more harm and to restore morals to the Thai society without any further delay.

With deepest respect, People's Alliance for Democracy Tuesday, November 25, 2008

People of Thailand fight for your right to self govern. Fight for your right of ONE MAN ONE VOTE and tell these dictators the People Against Democracy, to go and F*** up their families and leave your well alone.

[chutai]

What amazes me is how people that might stretch themselves to claiming to be in favour or democracy can utter such statements as :

The government that works for Thaksin instead of the country is guilty of treason, it doesn't matter if it was elected or not - it's not fit to govern.

Some people need to grab hold of what the term and concept of democracy actually means.

[Lizard]

Received at major news outlets this morning:

People's Alliance for Democracy Announcement 26/2008

on

The Ultimatum for the Prime Minister to Resign Immediately and Without Condition

โดย ASTVผู้จัดการออนไลน์ 26 พฤศจิกายน 2551 09:08 น.

The People's Alliance for Democracy has been rallying continuously since May 25, 2008 for 2 main objectives;

1. To prevent the rewriting of the 2007 Constitution by the proxy government of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra who are trying to amend the charter to whitewash the crimes committed by Thaksin and his cronies and to destroy the country's judiciary system. The PAD also strives to prevent the proxy government from abolishing the Privy Council, a move which the PAD considers to be a direct violation of His Majesty the King's authority.

The current Thai Parliament is also considered to be under Thaksin's complete control. It has committed various wrongdoings and violated election laws, yet continues to claim it represents the people of Thailand. But in truth, the proxy Parliament is a sale to any highest bidding politician. The Constitution court's imminent deliberation of a various party dissolution cases against several of the government coalition partners is proof enough of the fact that Thakin's proxy government is not a truly 'constitutional' government of Thailand.

2. To drive out the killer government that has shamelessly acted as a nominee for fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra. The government is clearly behind the ruthless killings of Thai citizens, manipulated state media, supports the destruction of the Thai judiciary system, exploits the country's national budget, condones lese majeste actions, lacks any ethical standing and therefore is deemed to be an illegitimate government which is not fit to administer the Kingdom.

For the above reasons the People's Alliance for Democracy has been rallying peacefully and without arms, a right which is sanctioned by the 2007 Constitution Article 63. Article 70 stipulates that a Thai citizen has the responsibilities to protect the 3 pillars of the country; the nation, religion and the King and the nation's constitutional monarchy.

However, during the course of the rally the lives and safety of supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy have been in constant jeopardy. The government is also clearly involved in masterminding various violent attacks against the PAD. It has also turned a blind eye when the PAD was attacked with weapons of war on more than 10 occasions. The ruthless attacks have resulted in countless injuries and 4 deaths. Several attacks were also targeted at the ASTV headquarters in an attempt to prevent that station from broadcasting live the PAD rally. The government has yet to take any responsibility for the underhanded sabotage attempts.

Three Senate committees, tasked with investigating the violence and bloodshed of the October 7th incident, have found that the PM Somchai Wongsawat and his Cabinet ministers are to be held responsible for the injuries and deaths of the protesters. Their findings coincide with that of the National Human Rights Commission. Premier Somchai must take responsibility for the tragedy by resigning immediately and without any condition.

The People's Alliance for Democracy has called for a final mass rally to stop the traitorous government and proxy Parliament on November 23, 2008 at 2 p.m. The final rally is well into its 50th hour and the supporters of the PAD have been pressuring the traitorous government to step down with peaceful means. Armed with only the plastic hand clappers, the PAD protesters have marched to various key locations including Parliament, Finance ministry, the Metropolitan Police Bureau and the government's temporary seat at Don Muang Airport. However, to no avail, the proxy government has failed to show any sign of remorse or any intention to step down as demanded by the PAD. In addition, it continues to cling on to power and is determined to amend the charter for the interests of its puppet master and his associates.

The People's Alliance for Democracy is left with no choice but to step up its peaceful rally by blocking off access to the Suvarnabhumi Airport. This is considered to be an ultimatum for Somchai Wongsawat and the Cabinet to resign immediately and without any condition.

The people's alliance apologizes for any inconvenience the closure of the Suvarnabhumi Airport may cause to the public and international visitors to the Kingdom of Thailand. But the PAD believes the measure is crucial to bring an end to the traitorous-killer government.

The PAD is calling for the public from all walks of life to join the PAD movement and call for the current administration to resign immediately to protect Thailand from more harm and to restore morals to the Thai society without any further delay.

With deepest respect, People's Alliance for Democracy Tuesday, November 25, 2008

Lets see, seems like there are only two choices for a working Government in Thailand

1. Have a corrupt PM & Government, who does nothing for Thailand or it's people.

2. Or have a corrupt PM & Government who does something for Thailand and it's people.

I was led to believe that Thaksin was the later ?? am I wrong to assume this ?

[tropo]

You stick with what u elected for better or worse

The government that works for Thaksin instead of the country is guilty of treason, it doesn't matter if it was elected or not - it's not fit to govern. Exactly the same argument I typed a million times in Thaksin days - you can't hold elections to whitewash your personal run-ins with the criminal law.

Conversely - should the govt decide to serve the country instead of Thaksin, PAD will have no reasons to protest any further. In fact that was a general idea when Samak was forced out - new start, negotiations with PAD, the country moves forward.

Didn't happen, pro-Thaksin agenda has been pushed forward while all other government matters are put on backburner.

What all you pro-PAD people fail to understand is that PAD are not protesting. They haven't been from the start. Protesting does not interfere with a government's ability to govern or a country's right to function normally.

This is rioting and anarchy, not protesting. I'd like to see the police start dragging out protestors one by one and arresting them. If they start doing that it shouldn't take long for the majority of them to scurry off in fear. The only reason they're brave is because the government has been playing mr niceguy too long.

[fruity]

[These f*cking idiots dont even know the word respect, never mind signing off with the words...

If the Government/Police wont do something about them, its time the Military did... they are no better than "Domestic Terrorists" in my (humble) opinion

HERE HERE!!............Time to clear up this load of vermin once & for all. DOMESTIC TERRORISTS - 100% accurate!

[blaze]

With deepest respect, People's Alliance for Democracy Tuesday, November 25, 2008

These f*cking idiots dont even know the word respect, never mind signing off with the words...

If the Government/Police wont do something about them, its time the Military did... they are no better than "Domestic Terrorists" in my (humble) opinion

<personal attack deleted by moderator>

The opinion Wolfie expressed reflects a question being asked around the world right now- why was this allowed to get to the very dangerous state it has reached. perhaps you would like to offer an intelligent analysis rather than simply launch a childish personal attack on the poster.

Edited November 27, 2008 by Jai Dee
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[KireB]

Sad how some posters feel so much hatred against the PAD.

The PAD is the only form of CHECK AND BALANCES this country has left.

Democracy, as refered to by brainless posters like Joelsurin. Tropo, and other trolls, is more than just the right to elect.

Democracy is a poltical philosophy that guarantees equity within societies. Check and balances, with equal treatment for all.

The thugs, criminals, terrorist, who stormed the Bastille in 1789 are still honoured as heroes of true democracy!

[Sarge]

Received at major news outlets this morning:

People's Alliance for Democracy Announcement 26/2008

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The Ultimatum for the Prime Minister to Resign Immediately and Without Condition

โดย ASTVผู้จัดการออนไลน์ 26 พฤศจิกายน 2551 09:08 น.

The People's Alliance for Democracy (killer mob) has been rallying continuously since May 25, 2008 for 2 main objectives;

1. To prevent the rewriting of the 2007 Constitution (that was written by an illegal coup) by the proxy government of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra who are trying to amend the charter (that white washed the crimes committed by the illegal coup) to whitewash the crimes committed by Thaksin and his cronies and to destroy the country's judiciary system. The PAD also strives to prevent the proxy government from abolishing the Privy Council, a move which the PAD considers to be a direct violation of His Majesty the King's authority.

The current Thai Parliament is also considered (by the mobs opinion) to be under Thaksin's complete control. It has committed various wrongdoings and violated election laws (that are being looked into according to legal Thai law and not a vigilante mob) , yet continues to claim it represents the people of Thailand. But in truth, the proxy Parliament is a sale to any highest bidding politician( another propaganda opinion by the mob). The Constitution court's imminent deliberation of a various party dissolution cases against several of the government coalition partners is proof enough of the fact that Thakin's proxy government is not a truly 'constitutional' government of Thailand (If they have come to this conclusion they should be desolved by the court and not by a vigilante mob that has no legal jurisdiction).

2. To drive out the killer government( the killing was caused by faulty tear gas canisters from China used against an unruly mob assaulting police) (and the killings by PAD are OK) that has shamelessly acted as a nominee for fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra. The government is clearly behind the ruthless killings of Thai citizens, manipulated state media (ASTV has not manipulated any propagana?), supports the destruction of the Thai judiciary system, exploits the country's national budget, condones lese majeste actions (Are you kidding?), lacks any ethical standing and therefore is deemed to be an illegitimate government (by a minority mob which the mob of armed gunmen have decided) think which is not fit to administer the Kingdom.

For the above reasons the People's Alliance for Democracy has been rallying peacefully and without arms (except for the gunman shooting off of the PAD truck last night), a right which is sanctioned by the 2007 Constitution Article 63. Article 70 stipulates that a Thai citizen has the responsibilities to protect the 3 pillars of the country; the nation, religion and the King and the nation's constitutional monarchy (and take over government buildings and stop international air traffic).

However, during the course of the rally the lives and safety of supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy have been in constant jeopardy. The government is also clearly involved in masterminding various violent attacks against the PAD. It has also turned a blind eye when the PAD was attacked with weapons of war on more than 10 occasions. The ruthless attacks have resulted in countless injuries and 4 deaths. Several attacks were also targeted at the ASTV headquarters in an attempt to prevent that station from broadcasting live the PAD rally (Have you forgot to mention the attack on PBS meant to do the same??) . The government has yet to take any responsibility for the underhanded sabotage attempts.

(Has the PAD taken responsibility for its attacks?)

Three Senate committees, tasked with investigating the violence and bloodshed of the October 7th incident, have found that the PM Somchai Wongsawat and his Cabinet ministers are to be held responsible for the injuries and deaths of the protesters. Their findings coincide with that of the National Human Rights Commission. Premier Somchai must take responsibility for the tragedy by resigning immediately and without any condition.

The People's Alliance for Democracy has called for a final mass rally to stop the (democraticly elected government untill the courts dissolve them) traitorous government and proxy Parliament on November 23, 2008 at 2 p.m. The final rally is well into its 50th hour and the supporters of the PAD have been pressuring the traitorous government to step down with peaceful means (other than the taxi drivers being shot) . Armed with only the plastic hand clappers (and pistols used in the taxi driver shooting) , the PAD protesters have marched to various key locations including Parliament, Finance ministry, the Metropolitan Police Bureau and the government's temporary seat at Don Muang Airport. However, to no avail, the proxy government has failed to show any sign ( of stepping down to an illegal mob) of remorse or any intention to step down as demanded by the PAD. In addition, it continues to cling on to power and is determined to amend the charter for the interests of its puppet master and his associates.

The People's Alliance for Democracy is left with no choice but to ( lose more face and look stupid to the international community) step up its peaceful rally ( other than shooting a few taxi drivers on the way there )by blocking off access to the Suvarnabhumi Airport. This is considered to be an ultimatum for Somchai Wongsawat and the Cabinet to resign immediately and without any condition.

The people's alliance apologizes for any inconvenience (in causing a billion baht of losses to Thailand so far to maintain mob rule)the closure of the Suvarnabhumi Airport may cause to the public and international visitors to the Kingdom of Thailand. But the PAD believes the measure is crucial to bring an end to the (democracy of Thailand) traitorous-killer government.

The PAD is calling for the public from all walks ( lizards and snakes included) of life to join the PAD movement and call for the current administration to resign immediately to ( end democracy in Thailand) protect Thailand from more harm and to restore (mob rule instead of democracy) morals to the Thai society without any further delay.

With deepest respect (to the brainwashed fools that would be stupid enough to belive this BS) , People's Alliance for Democracy Tuesday, November 25, 2008

excellent summary, well written, concise and straight to the point. What pisses people off more than anything else is seeing deluded expats supporting these criminals taking the country at ransom. Attacking the previous PM for corruption and yet glossing over the fact the PAD leader has served time in prison (convicted criminal) , a morally bankrupt individual that could give Thaksin a run for his money in corruption stakes. These very deluded expats also supported a military coup that has illegally rewritten the constitution. I wonder if these very much deluded expats would support such state of affairs back in their own country. It seems that they left common sense and intellectual honesty behind them when they absconded to Thailand. Pad foolish thugs & their foreigner expat supporters? They've made for each other!

[tropo]

Sad how some posters feel so much hatred against the PAD.

The PAD is the only form of CHECK AND BALANCES this country has left.

Democracy, as refered to by brainless posters like Joelsurin. Tropo, and other trolls, is more than just the right to elect.

Democracy is a poltical philosophy that guarantees equity within societies. Check and balances, with equal treatment for all.

The thugs, criminals, terrorist, who stormed the Bastille in 1789 are still honoured as heroes of true democracy!

I'm trying to be nice here which is more than you deserve.

Have your say dude, but quit the flaming will you. I don't believe I've attacked you in anyway, so read the forum rules and play the game. Don't insult people who don't agree with your point of view.

[Plus]

What all you pro-PAD people fail to understand is that PAD are not protesting.

Nope, they themselves called it "people revolution" several times.

It's citizen's right to throw out corrupt "governments" that do not serve the country, in fact it's their duty.

You can argue that there's a ballot box for that - but, as I said earlier, this government shouldn't be allowed to stay regardless of election outcome - they do not serve the country.

Four seconds at the ballot box every four years is not all that there's to governing and democracy. Apart from being elected the govt is also sworn to perform its duties, if it commits treason - no electoral results could justify that.

[ChiangMaiThai]

Whatever all the opinionated farang think, it's interesting to not that ALL of my educated friends in Bangkok (Overseas MBA's, Executive level positions in BKK etc.) support the PAD. If it was so black and white like some of you make it out to be, I don't think PAD would capture the hearts and minds of such people.

[siam4ever]

Whatever all the opinionated farang think, it's interesting to not that ALL of my educated friends in Bangkok (Overseas MBA's, Executive level positions in BKK etc.) support the PAD. If it was so black and white like some of you make it out to be, I don't think PAD would capture the hearts and minds of such people.

I think this reveals more about you and the people you hang out with. Most of my educated friends do NOT back the PAD whatsoever!

[Tolley]

I wonder how long before the military is forced to intervene in the deteriorating situation in Thailand.

It should be clear to most people now that PAD are totally out of control and need to be reined in.

The rule of the mob will not do Thailand any favours in the long run and ironically enough PAD the great champions of democracy are just making the chance of any worthwhile democracy coming to Thailand ever more remote.

The elected government of Thailand should be allowed to serve out its term.

It is up to the people of Thailand to organise themselves and provide a viable alternative to the current administration. That would mean lobbying and canvassing the people and presenting a clear set of policy statements and a programme of reform aimed at cleaning up the endemic corruption that pervades most Thai institutions. Thus at the next elections the representatives could be duly elected and put in place their reform agenda.

I don’t see much evidence of that occurring.

What I do see is PAD by its inherent lawlessness pushing the country every closer back to a military style dictatorship and thereby retarding any reform process or indeed any chance of a more democratic style of government.

Thailand seems doomed to be trapped into the mistakes of the past with brief periods of democratic government interspersed with periods of military dictatorship.

[tartempion]

Received at major news outlets this morning:

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Very telling that ONCE AGAIN a very important and pertinent to the current situation statement, has not been commented upon by any of the mudslingers on this forum. Not for the first time during this long and difficult transition to something resembling a true democracy here in Thailand , I find the overall reaction to something perhaps outside the'comfort zone' of certain of the expats here to be much more, um, interesting, than the events themselves. Pass The Crucible anyone?

For Christ sake jitagon, WHY do need to quote a LONG text just published above your crap?

Do you think we can't READ???

To answer your little rant: these Anti-democrats should have waited their turn (let Toxin finish his second term) in stead of bringing the country to the abyss of destruction in the same time frame.

Please also note that Thai Air Asia canceled all of its 106 flights out of Swampy on the 25th, that's 106*2*130 or around 25000 pissed off passengers: consider the financial and emotional loss for both passengers and airline, holiday and business travel fuc_ked-up etc etc.

[Wolfie]

Whatever all the opinionated farang think, it's interesting to not that ALL of my educated friends in Bangkok (Overseas MBA's, Executive level positions in BKK etc.) support the PAD. If it was so black and white like some of you make it out to be, I don't think PAD would capture the hearts and minds of such people.

Have you read Pantip.com website recently? I presume you can read Thai as you refer to Thaivisa posters as "opinionated farang". One of the highest traffic Thai based web boards and there is very little love for PAD there. You can sit there and believe that PAD has mass support over Bangkok, but very few Thai's i have spoken to support PAD anymore, a lot of people have lost faith in them, and this recent 'Terrorist' style move will diminish their support even further. Lets see if your executive level friends in Bangkok still support them when PAD cripple the countries economy and bring civil war to the streets of Bangkok.

[tropo]

Whatever all the opinionated farang think, it's interesting to not that ALL of my educated friends in Bangkok (Overseas MBA's, Executive level positions in BKK etc.) support the PAD. If it was so black and white like some of you make it out to be, I don't think PAD would capture the hearts and minds of such people.

Of course your educated friends in Bangkok know best. What was I thinking?