Pad Announcement To The International Press

[Wolfie]

PAD Peaceful?

So they turn up with thier Yellow shirts on, and a trolly load of red shirts - wonder what they are for?

PAD group at Viphavadi road recently (and a couple of other 'peaceful' demonstration photos)

Edited November 27, 2008 by Wolfie

[quiksilva]

Its high time the police started enforcing the law. As soon as the PAD armed themselves they stepped over the line. Allowing them to storm government house and sit there was one thing, but taking over the airport is absolutely unforgivable.

This is now an international incident, affecting the international air traffic system, and its made worse by the fact that not only will innocent people miss appointments and loved ones, but some may actually die because of the "inconveniences" they caused.

When people threaten innocent lives and brandish firearms, its time to put an end to it.

[LaoPo]

Pantip.com is owned by Shinawatra family, it has been occupied by pro-Thaksin posters since forever.

Thats simply not true, Thaksin is not well liked over there either

You're right Wolfie.

I checked:

"History -Pantip.com

Pantip.com was founded in 1997 by Wanchat Padungrat, an electrical engineer. He holds directorship and ownership of the site. Along with the popular Thai-language portal Sanook.com, Pantip.com was one of the first websites established in Thailand when the Internet was being introduced in the country. As opposed to Sanook.com's lucrative buyout from MWeb, a now-defunct dot com company, Wanchat has no plans to sell the site."

and:

"Discussions about Thai politics and current events on Pantip.com's topic boards are often cited in the Thai press, particularly in such English-language newspapers as the Bangkok Post and The Nation, as a gauge of the public's mood about various issues."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantip.com

LaoPo

[Thaddeus]

Whatever all the opinionated farang think, it's interesting to not that ALL of my educated friends in Bangkok (Overseas MBA's, Executive level positions in BKK etc.) support the PAD. If it was so black and white like some of you make it out to be, I don't think PAD would capture the hearts and minds of such people.

Of course your educated friends in Bangkok know best. What was I thinking?

No, no by all means, please, what was I thinking? Universities, degrees, international education. All completely overrated things really.

I expect that reply was meant to be sarcastic..... the grim reality is, it isn't.

[Los78]

I am still waiting a explaination of this video. 1. Two armed PAD guards firing. (Peaceful?)

2. Burning motortaxi 3. Holding knife to the throat of motor taxi.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7747886.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7747886.stm

Can we get a clarification from PEACE loving PAD?

[werbs]

Received at major news outlets this morning:

People's Alliance for Democracy Announcement 26/2008

on

The Ultimatum for the Prime Minister to Resign Immediately and Without Condition

โดย ASTVผู้จัดการออนไลน์ 26 พฤศจิกายน 2551 09:08 น.

The People's Alliance for Democracy (killer mob) has been rallying continuously since May 25, 2008 for 2 main objectives;

1. To prevent the rewriting of the 2007 Constitution (that was written by an illegal coup) by the proxy government of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra who are trying to amend the charter (that white washed the crimes committed by the illegal coup) to whitewash the crimes committed by Thaksin and his cronies and to destroy the country's judiciary system. The PAD also strives to prevent the proxy government from abolishing the Privy Council, a move which the PAD considers to be a direct violation of His Majesty the King's authority.

The current Thai Parliament is also considered (by the mobs opinion) to be under Thaksin's complete control. It has committed various wrongdoings and violated election laws (that are being looked into according to legal Thai law and not a vigilante mob) , yet continues to claim it represents the people of Thailand. But in truth, the proxy Parliament is a sale to any highest bidding politician( another propaganda opinion by the mob). The Constitution court's imminent deliberation of a various party dissolution cases against several of the government coalition partners is proof enough of the fact that Thakin's proxy government is not a truly 'constitutional' government of Thailand (If they have come to this conclusion they should be desolved by the court and not by a vigilante mob that has no legal jurisdiction).

2. To drive out the killer government( the killing was caused by faulty tear gas canisters from China used against an unruly mob assaulting police) (and the killings by PAD are OK) that has shamelessly acted as a nominee for fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra. The government is clearly behind the ruthless killings of Thai citizens, manipulated state media (ASTV has not manipulated any propagana?), supports the destruction of the Thai judiciary system, exploits the country's national budget, condones lese majeste actions (Are you kidding?), lacks any ethical standing and therefore is deemed to be an illegitimate government (by a minority mob which the mob of armed gunmen have decided) think which is not fit to administer the Kingdom.

For the above reasons the People's Alliance for Democracy has been rallying peacefully and without arms (except for the gunman shooting off of the PAD truck last night), a right which is sanctioned by the 2007 Constitution Article 63. Article 70 stipulates that a Thai citizen has the responsibilities to protect the 3 pillars of the country; the nation, religion and the King and the nation's constitutional monarchy (and take over government buildings and stop international air traffic).

However, during the course of the rally the lives and safety of supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy have been in constant jeopardy. The government is also clearly involved in masterminding various violent attacks against the PAD. It has also turned a blind eye when the PAD was attacked with weapons of war on more than 10 occasions. The ruthless attacks have resulted in countless injuries and 4 deaths. Several attacks were also targeted at the ASTV headquarters in an attempt to prevent that station from broadcasting live the PAD rally (Have you forgot to mention the attack on PBS meant to do the same??) . The government has yet to take any responsibility for the underhanded sabotage attempts.

(Has the PAD taken responsibility for its attacks?)

Three Senate committees, tasked with investigating the violence and bloodshed of the October 7th incident, have found that the PM Somchai Wongsawat and his Cabinet ministers are to be held responsible for the injuries and deaths of the protesters. Their findings coincide with that of the National Human Rights Commission. Premier Somchai must take responsibility for the tragedy by resigning immediately and without any condition.

The People's Alliance for Democracy has called for a final mass rally to stop the (democraticly elected government untill the courts dissolve them) traitorous government and proxy Parliament on November 23, 2008 at 2 p.m. The final rally is well into its 50th hour and the supporters of the PAD have been pressuring the traitorous government to step down with peaceful means (other than the taxi drivers being shot) . Armed with only the plastic hand clappers (and pistols used in the taxi driver shooting) , the PAD protesters have marched to various key locations including Parliament, Finance ministry, the Metropolitan Police Bureau and the government's temporary seat at Don Muang Airport. However, to no avail, the proxy government has failed to show any sign ( of stepping down to an illegal mob) of remorse or any intention to step down as demanded by the PAD. In addition, it continues to cling on to power and is determined to amend the charter for the interests of its puppet master and his associates.

The People's Alliance for Democracy is left with no choice but to ( lose more face and look stupid to the international community) step up its peaceful rally ( other than shooting a few taxi drivers on the way there )by blocking off access to the Suvarnabhumi Airport. This is considered to be an ultimatum for Somchai Wongsawat and the Cabinet to resign immediately and without any condition.

The people's alliance apologizes for any inconvenience (in causing a billion baht of losses to Thailand so far to maintain mob rule)the closure of the Suvarnabhumi Airport may cause to the public and international visitors to the Kingdom of Thailand. But the PAD believes the measure is crucial to bring an end to the (democracy of Thailand) traitorous-killer government.

The PAD is calling for the public from all walks ( lizards and snakes included) of life to join the PAD movement and call for the current administration to resign immediately to ( end democracy in Thailand) protect Thailand from more harm and to restore (mob rule instead of democracy) morals to the Thai society without any further delay.

With deepest respect (to the brainwashed fools that would be stupid enough to belive this BS) , People's Alliance for Democracy Tuesday, November 25, 2008

there are n hand clapping smileys or i would have given you one, good response

[LoveDaBlues]

In America, when McCain had a rally his supporters would show up. Obama supporters would not show up armed with weapons to disrupt the rally.

When PAD had a rally, why was it necessary for thugs dressed in red to show up and start busting heads? Perhaps they didn't want the PAD message to be heard?

Kick a man enough he will fight fire with fire. Not hard to figure out, really.

[LaoPo]

EDITORIAL - The Nation

Airport raid may backfire on the PAD

Published on November 27, 2008

Win or lose, the anti-govt movement will pay a big price for Suvarnabhumi chaos and closure

Sondhi Limthongkul was pleading for public sympathy on Tuesday night. We regret causing a major inconvenience, he said, referring to the seizure of Suvarnabhumi Airport, but we have no choice. His political movement, the People's Alliance for Democracy, has been the target for sporadic bomb attacks, and the rising death and injury tolls are adding to the tragedy of October 7, when police fired tear gas at Parliament-bound protesters, resulting in deaths and injuries.

The PAD's pain is understandable. Its reaction and responses are hardly so. When thousands of PAD members blockaded Suvarnabhumi Airport on Tuesday and penetrated the passenger terminal and scuffled with officials, causing a total shutdown of the airport, what unfolded before us was the transformation of Luke Skywalker into Darth Vader.

Imagine a son about to board a plane to go back home to see his dying mother. Imagine patients in need of urgent medical help stranded. Business deals delayed or cancelled. Countless appointments missed. The point is, if these circumstances seem trivial in the PAD's eyes, how can the movement ever expect others, never mind the whole world, to appreciate its own situation? Understanding works both ways. If the PAD wants others' sympathy, it has to give it out. It's as simple as that.

The PAD's latest, most provocative and controversial strategy may yet prove effective. With the military caught in the middle and reluctant to use force either to end the airport blockade or remove the current government, Somchai Wongsawat's administration is looking like a bigger lame duck by the hour. But whatever the outcome of the Suvarnabhumi siege, the PAD will not get the only thing that is as important as Somchai's resignation - public understanding and sympathy.

This is not civil disobedience. It's the PAD holding travellers hostage. It's the PAD's leaders telling their loyal followers that if someone inflicts harm on you, it's okay to get even at the expense of innocent others. The airport seizure caused more trouble to people whose sympathy the PAD had sought than the politicians the movement has tried to dislodge. The travellers suffered real human ordeals. Somchai and his government are only dealt political blows. How the PAD measures the plight of these two groups goes a long way to telling us its principles and ideologies. Having fought Thaksin Shinawatra and his alleged nominees by standing firm on the issue of conflicts of interests, the PAD has found itself in serious danger of being unravelled ideologically through conflicting values.

Whereas the government and Thaksin must be smiling, the real price the PAD is paying is not the dwindling sympathy from neutrals or the ammunition the airport affair has given its critics. "I'm so saddened and disappointed," said a man who only weeks ago went in and out of Government House on a daily basis to support the movement. "I'm sorry I joined this rally." He had watched the PAD cross the line before and tried to understand the "necessity". This time it was simply too much.

It is people like him who are the real cost of the Suvarnabhumi strategy. But the biggest price to pay may be from those PAD members joining the airport blockade or cheering the move back to Government House. The leaders have won their unquestioned loyalty, but risk blurring their consciences once and for all.

The PAD used to be a political movement that did the wrong things for the right reasons. It's impossible to consider the airport seizure to be morally right because it affects hundreds of thousands of innocent people - the passengers, their relatives, friends, or business partners. That damage cannot be translated into financial figures. That nobody got hurt in the airport drama doesn't mean there is no pain.

The PAD leaders claim they are abandoning "Ahimsa" (non-violence and non-aggression) because its members have become victims and nobody is helping. That is all right as long as what happened on Tuesday is shrouded with proclaimed noble goals. When the action is explained in the simplest terms - "We want you to resign or a large number of innocent travellers won't be going home" - what is the difference between that and holding innocent passers-by at knife-point to force a police officer to lay down his gun?

-The Nation

LaoPo

[LoveDaBlues]

I am still waiting a explaination of this video. 1. Two armed PAD guards firing. (Peaceful?)

2. Burning motortaxi 3. Holding knife to the throat of motor taxi.

Can we get a clarification from PEACE loving PAD?

So if 1% of all the white people in America are bigots then all of them are bigots?

BRILLIANT LOGIC!!!!!!!

The vast majority of PAD supporters are non-violent.

[ozterix]

quote /Thaksin at worst cost the country a bit of tea money to line his pockets and his cronies and that is accepted practice in Thailand./unquote

T. and his friends have cost billions of baht to the Thai economy and the citizens of this country. Today the cost of this revolt is big but a drop compared to the past stolen money by the government and is probably the price to pay for the future that this Country can have without crooks at the helm

I don't like violence and hard actions as the past day, but it is peaceful and the real violence came from the police and govt, not the PAD. This is probably the only chance we have to get rid of the corrupt government probably busy frantically redrafting the constitution to get it approved by any means to ensure their power and impunity

oz

[LoveDaBlues]

^Perhaps, but the PAD are a bunch of criminals, so what is the difference???

The difference is.....no one else wants to step up to the plate. If not PAD then who?

No one wants to be a garbage man. But someone has to take out the garbage.

Remember, it was ordinary citizens in the US who initiated the fall of Nixon.

I'm actually affected by this. My mom is scheduled to fly into swampy on Dec. 3

for my baby's first birthday. That looks iffy now. I still support PAD.

Read my lips.

The PAD dare not stand for election because they have no popular support.

This isn't about PAD taking over. It's about removing the Thaksin puppets. Thaksin cares

not one bit about this country. Thaksin is for Thaksin. He'll watch people die rather

than just staying out of politics and enjoying his billions.

[LaoPo]

I posted this message earlier in the "Gen Anupong..." thread but was unnoticed:

"Gen. Anupong suggests House dissolution"

I think General Anupong Paochinda is in an extremely difficult position.

Both parties, the PM/Government and the PAD, refuse to accept/listen to his suggestions outlined in the four-point plan after his meeting earlier today (Nov.26) with other important (business) leaders and military.

The question is if he is able to stand by his words:

" "The way out through taking control over the Country by the military is a closed door and no more...This way is barred up by many walls, and no one should try to take this way."[1]

— Gen Anupong replied to the media asking how he will remedy the political crisis in Thailand.

From: "อนุพงษ์พุด หยุด...สงครามเผาเมือง". (2551, 3 กันยายน). โพสต์ทูเดย์. หน้าพิเศษ 2. Sorry, not in English.

It is not an option for either the Government nor the Military/General Anupong to leave the country in this kind of mess and accept/let the PAD continue to block the 18th most important airport in the world: Suvarnabhumi Airport.

The move by General Anupong to try and convince parties to accept a dissolution of the House is world news; maybe some do not realize it yet but this news is published in ALL languages of the world from minor to major ones.

The problem wit this situation is that the vast majority of people outside Thailand do not understand the powers behind the present situation and are condemning the PAD.

The PAD is creating a very bad image for Thailand and it is odd that PAD's supporting middle class and elite accept, thus far, the ongoing situation of the blockade of the airport.

I wonder for how long the elite will accept and support this blockade...

PAD's earlier blocking of tourist- (Phuket) and some minor important other airports was a deed which attracted the international press for just a little while but is long forgotten.

The blockade of Government House was a non-item in the West (apart from some small news articles) and people are not interested in a group of protesters anymore, the same as most people shake their heads when another bomb killed dozens of people in a war country like Iraq or Afghanistan. People are immune for that kind of news and it better is, otherwise we would get mad by every single message of bad news.

This time however they are creating an unacceptable situation for hundreds of million of viewers in the outside world. The damage already done is enormous and did no good to the country whatsoever.

The point is that Thailand is no Iraq or Afghanistan.

Thailand, in the eyes of dozens of millions of viewers, is an attractive HOLIDAY country and Thailand, in the eyes of BUSINESS INVESTORS, was a healthy business-climate-country to invest money in and build factories and make money. Believe me; that's done and finished for the largest part.

On top of the ongoing worldwide crisis, the present situation is a death step in the back for Thailand

This is NOT a battle between the PAD and the Government for a better Thailand; this is -STILL- an ongoing battle between two formers friends; two business tycoons fighting each other till they have destroyed each other over the backs of 65 million people in Thailand.

It's a disgusting ongoing war between these two -former- tycoons and close friends and in the end there are only TWO losers to count PLUS 65 million people.

But, to think that the problem will be solved IF the present government steps down (forced or not) -and open the door to (again) new elections- is a misconception.

General Anupong is not in a position, to be envied, and he knows it.

Interesting photo:

6 months ago: Thailand's ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra -R- gives a traditional greeting to Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda (L) their first meeting since the September 19, 2006 coup, during the funeral of -in WHITE uniform- Army chief Anupong Paochinda's mother at the temple in Bangkok late May 29, 2008. The 58-year-old former Thai premier returned to Bangkok in late February after his allies swept back into power in elections late last year.

We live in interesting times indeed but I'm afraid that VERY few of the 65 million Thai are already realizing what drama will be unfolding in their wallets...in 2009, when the financial/economic crisis will be knocking on Thai doors in full force.

And, the OUTCOME of touching the -already very thin- wallets of the -poor- Thai is something NOBODY wants to foresee in the future....not even General Anupong nor PAD's Sondhi Limthongkul.....

The only one, of the three, who's probably foreseeing that coming financial drama -in the wallets of the poor- is the other man in the battle between Sondhi and....yes, indeed that's him, on the right of the photo.

Thailand is facing very difficult times, much more difficult than many here on TV, and the outside world, realize.

May Buddha help the people of Thailand for their own best and benefit, not just for the middle class, military and elite powers.

LaoPo

[jitagon]

^Legally elected and PAD are thugs plain/simple. THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO BLOCKADE GOVT BUILDINGS OR AIRPORTS. If you are that thick then I think you need to read up on what peaceful protests are. Any rate - this will end badly and PAD will have no one to blame but themselves. Hmmm hopefully the DAAD will sort them out.

You sum yourself up nicely, what a pathetic ,yet dangerous statement to make

Words of a description not allowed on Thai Visa would be forthcoming that are a lot stronger than Thick

I hope your forecast is not true and the Illegal government do the right and honourable thing by following the sound and reasonable advise they where offered yesterday.

For the record i live in the North East among the local mafiosa who constantly terrorise the locals and order them to vote for their chosen candidates....

Peaceful and democratic.......................you haven,t got a clue.

I humbly suggest instead of spending your time in the bars when you are in Thailand, you get out and about, travel to this area, spend some real quality time here and perhaps you will then think twice before coming out with the quotes of someone who is truly out of touch.

Save your comments for those who would listen and appreciate them.

Me, i have other important priorities that concern our families and their futures..........................Ect.Ect.

The term OLSS comes to mind when i look back on your posts...............if you cannot work it out .................Tough

N. F. Comment

marshbags

Still doesn't seem to have learned to keep his trap shut after the 'go crack some heads' statement he made during the Phuket Airport closure.

[animatic]

the govt was elected, and this is what pisses them off to no end

Oh, and I thought it was "Thaksin ohk pai" all the way.

How did you manage to miss that little reason to be pissed off, BM?

Whatever he did, it wasn't enough to put voters off voting for him! Along with the army and Installed temporary government legislating against him winning.

Thaksin at worst cost the country a bit of tea money to line his pockets and his cronies and that is accepted practice in Thailand.

The PAD have lost billions of baht and a lot of this will be long term losses not realised for months to come.

PAD have no support in comparison. A few misguided soles with time on their hands emboldened by the worlds most cowardly army.

Looks like you skipped maths classes.

The've nailed him for the small easy stuff first,

like winging a fast animal to slow them down, then moving in for the kill shot.

That's one reason he split, so he can't be forced into a court and another trial started.

He must appear for round one, except in civil cases.

A 'bit of tea money' that could put a school uniform on EVERY child in the country.

This is no minor scam here Pops.

Some estimates think the graft was bigger DAILY than the airports operations fees alone.

Edited November 27, 2008 by animatic

[animatic]

PAD are demonstrating in a relatively peaceful manner - I say 'relatively' in regards to the large scale of the demonstrations, and in regard to real threats to their demonstrations. Those threats are both actualized (bombs) and potential (police and/or army action).

It's interesting to note the virulent hate by some T.Visa posters to PAD's demonstrations.

Obviously, PAD supporters feel strongly about getting a semblance of somewhat-decent leaders in Thai gov't. There haven't been any remotely decent political leaders at the helm for nine years. Yes, the ballot box is the best way to effect change - but elections are sorely tainted in Thailand - so they can't really be termed elections. Not a whole lot different than Zimbabwe in that regard.

Spot on.

[animatic]

I am still waiting a explaination of this video. 1. Two armed PAD guards firing. (Peaceful?)

2. Burning motortaxi 3. Holding knife to the throat of motor taxi.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7747886.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7747886.stm

Can we get a clarification from PEACE loving PAD?

I agree these scenes are disgusting and this sub-group of PAD people

are not serving the greater good at all. But at the same time,

most of the protest is NOT using guns and attacking people.

This doesn't mean they are in the right to take the airport either.

This is not apologist. But looking at a reality as viewed.

I don't buy this

a blood bath is OK, because I don't like part or much of their position

attitude expounded here by so many.

That more than PADs actions is the pathway to civil war,

not simply these now over the top protests.

Dehumanizing those you disagree with

is the way to extreme and extended violence.

If you little finger has a thorn you remove the thorn,

or badly infected finger, as painful as that might be.

You don't euthanize the whole person because of that bad limb.

Do you see PAD as the thorn or the finger...

see the guards as a finger or the whole body.

If your son killed someone powerful, it USED to be here,

that several layers of family were all killed in response,

not JUST the son. I think they have moved beyond that idiocy.

Edited November 27, 2008 by animatic

[animatic]

In America, when McCain had a rally his supporters would show up.

Obama supporters would not show up armed with weapons to disrupt the rally.

When PAD had a rally, why was it necessary for thugs dressed in red to show up and start busting heads?

Perhaps they didn't want the PAD message to be heard?

Kick a man enough he will fight fire with fire. Not hard to figure out, really.

This was Sae Daeng's intention ; make them go over the edge by continuous guerilla attacks.

It worked quite well. They HAD to make a BIG move or live in utter fear of being the next grenade victim.

PAD was played by this use of violence.

And even now PAD, spends more time sitting and talking than any aggresive acts towards individuals.

Yes there were some small skirmishes and yes they were violent and inexcusable,

but that was also only a few dozen people in comparison to the THOUSANDS just sitting and waiting.

While we see Red Shirts attacking and killing PAD supporters family members and running amuk.

I am not a PAD person, as many seem to claim,

I am an observer, and I seem to see things differently,

and maybe more dispassionately. But flame away if it makes you feel better.

[jitagon]

^Perhaps, but the PAD are a bunch of criminals, so what is the difference???

The difference is.....no one else wants to step up to the plate. If not PAD then who?

No one wants to be a garbage man. But someone has to take out the garbage.

Remember, it was ordinary citizens in the US who initiated the fall of Nixon.

I'm actually affected by this. My mom is scheduled to fly into swampy on Dec. 3

for my baby's first birthday. That looks iffy now. I still support PAD.

Read my lips.

The PAD dare not stand for election because they have no popular support.

Read my lips - THE PAD ARE NOT A POLITICAL PARTY - How.Many.Timezzzzz

[Tolley]

Some posters here just don't seem to get it.

Even if PAD manages to get the current administration to resign it will not change the root causes of Thailands problems.

Until a political party emerges in Thailand with policies to radically reform many of the institutions and business customs in Thailand nothing substantial is going to change.

I am sure there are many well meaning people demonstrating for PAD but they are being manipulated to carry out the desires of Thaksins political opponents who want to get their hands on the rice bowl.

The military is getting pushed further and further into a corner on this one and sooner or later they are going to have to intervene to break the impasse.

The big losers of course are your average Thais who are already struggling to make ends meet.

[sykdevil]

I don't think many people know the real reasons behind the protests. What you read on the news is just part of the story, just the tip of the iceberg. Why do you think PAD can go where ever and when ever they want? Think about who has the power to back them up and why nobody has stopped them? Answer is the military and ..... I'll leave the other for you to think about. Thaksin wants ULTIMATE power, and he has such great support from the majority of people in thailand, which is the rural to the urban poor. That is why its so hard to get rid of him and his fellow corrupted buddies, and that is why they win all the elections. The PAD supporters consists of the middle class and up which are mostly educated people, they know the real reasons behind Thaksins greedy little antics (I guess some actually don't know). Its none of the things that you read about it in the news, his corruption charges and business fallout with the other dude are just minor details, its more than that, its bigger.

If you want to know more, maybe ask your fellow thai friends, they should be able to tell you more of whats not being published on the news.

read the last paragraph of this article (thats what most people don't know about, and a hush hush topic to talk about)

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ap/20081126/tap-a...ld-7934085.html

I think I brought something new to the table, love to hear what you guys think about what I mentioned.

Edited November 27, 2008 by sykdevil

[grandpops]

I read a report today on TV (can't find it) about The Bangkok Bank Bankrolling the PAD and people taking money out of accounts in protest.

What should happen now fellow PAD haters is that the bankrollers are outed. This is missing in their "Announcement".

They should be outed here so people can vote with their feet (wallets) and boycot or dispute this policy with their shareholders. Shareholders who must now be sh1tting bricks.

Outed to the millions of people worldwide that may want to avoid doing business with them in the future.

Outet to all the people caught up at the Airport who may want to avoid giving any money ever again to businesses or hotel chains that are pumping money into PAD.

This is going to cause long term ruin to them and thats for sure. I coup, a PAD government, a Thaksin Government, an appointed government is not going to stop them taking this hit. They have made their bed and we must ensure they lay in it.

For all its rhetoric and daily 24 hours of propaganda, they have not yet thanked the Banks and Businesses for giving them money.

Please note I said businesses and banks as this is who General BlancmangeApong met with yesterday. Only in Thailand would the Army in the face of serious strife run and ask his bank manager what he should do. Banks, I may remind you, being the cause of the last two massive financial meltdowns in this country.

So, Do I close the Bangkok Bank a/c, default on the mortgage and go to court saying that the knock on effect of their hand in losing my sourse of income caused me not to be able to pay them their interest?

[wayfarer108]

Whatever he did, it wasn't enough to put voters off voting for him!

In a parliamentary system one doesn't vote directly for the prime minister. Am guessing you're American?

[animatic]

Some posters here just don't seem to get it.

Even if PAD manages to get the current administration to resign it will not change the root causes of Thailands problems.

Until a political party emerges in Thailand with policies to radically reform many of the institutions and business customs in Thailand nothing substantial is going to change.

I am sure there are many well meaning people demonstrating f

or PAD but they are being manipulated to carry out the desires of Thaksins political opponents who want to get their hands on the rice bowl.

The military is getting pushed further and further into a corner on this one and sooner or later they are going to have to intervene to break the impasse.

The big losers of course are your average Thais who are already struggling to make ends meet.

This level of puyai already has it's hands on the rice bowl, they never lost their grip,

they are just removing a loose cannon rolling around on the ship of state.

They are trying to remove the claws of twits like Chaiya and his rice pledging shenanigans,

which were Samak's rice pledging thing redux, nothing for the little people regardless.

[hammered]

I read a report today on TV (can't find it) about The Bangkok Bank Bankrolling the PAD and people taking money out of accounts in protest.

What should happen now fellow PAD haters is that the bankrollers are outed. This is missing in their "Announcement".

They should be outed here so people can vote with their feet (wallets) and boycot or dispute this policy with their shareholders. Shareholders who must now be sh1tting bricks.

Outed to the millions of people worldwide that may want to avoid doing business with them in the future.

Outet to all the people caught up at the Airport who may want to avoid giving any money ever again to businesses or hotel chains that are pumping money into PAD.

This is going to cause long term ruin to them and thats for sure. I coup, a PAD government, a Thaksin Government, an appointed government is not going to stop them taking this hit. They have made their bed and we must ensure they lay in it.

For all its rhetoric and daily 24 hours of propaganda, they have not yet thanked the Banks and Businesses for giving them money.

Please note I said businesses and banks as this is who General BlancmangeApong met with yesterday. Only in Thailand would the Army in the face of serious strife run and ask his bank manager what he should do. Banks, I may remind you, being the cause of the last two massive financial meltdowns in this country.

So, Do I close the Bangkok Bank a/c, default on the mortgage and go to court saying that the knock on effect of their hand in losing my sourse of income caused me not to be able to pay them their interest?

If you are a non-Thai citizen it would be silly to take any form of politcal action in a country where you are a guest other than enjoying yourself in posting political thoughts on an expat messageboard that at the end of the day have no impact at all on the Thai politcal world.

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I read a report today on TV (can't find it) about The Bangkok Bank Bankrolling the PAD and people taking money out of accounts in protest.

What should happen now fellow PAD haters is that the bankrollers are outed. This is missing in their "Announcement".

They should be outed here so people can vote with their feet (wallets) and boycot or dispute this policy with their shareholders. Shareholders who must now be sh1tting bricks.

Outed to the millions of people worldwide that may want to avoid doing business with them in the future.

Outet to all the people caught up at the Airport who may want to avoid giving any money ever again to businesses or hotel chains that are pumping money into PAD.

This is going to cause long term ruin to them and thats for sure. I coup, a PAD government, a Thaksin Government, an appointed government is not going to stop them taking this hit. They have made their bed and we must ensure they lay in it.

For all its rhetoric and daily 24 hours of propaganda, they have not yet thanked the Banks and Businesses for giving them money.

Please note I said businesses and banks as this is who General BlancmangeApong met with yesterday. Only in Thailand would the Army in the face of serious strife run and ask his bank manager what he should do. Banks, I may remind you, being the cause of the last two massive financial meltdowns in this country.

So, Do I close the Bangkok Bank a/c, default on the mortgage and go to court saying that the knock on effect of their hand in losing my sourse of income caused me not to be able to pay them their interest?

No one remembers that Bangkok Bank is one of the bigger holders of Thaksin's frozen assets along with Siam Commercial Bank.

Not surprising there are rumors and such to put pressure on these banks... A run on the banks... ohh my...

Thaksin wants them under pressure.

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Some posters here just don't seem to get it.

Even if PAD manages to get the current administration to resign it will not change the root causes of Thailands problems.

Until a political party emerges in Thailand with policies to radically reform many of the institutions and business customs in Thailand nothing substantial is going to change.

I am sure there are many well meaning people demonstrating for PAD but they are being manipulated to carry out the desires of Thaksins political opponents who want to get their hands on the rice bowl.

The military is getting pushed further and further into a corner on this one and sooner or later they are going to have to intervene to break the impasse.

The big losers of course are your average Thais who are already struggling to make ends meet.

A good analysis. I would add that it will probably be a long time until such a politcal party emerges.

[Tolley]

I don't think many people know the real reasons behind the protests. What you read on the news is just part of the story, just the tip of the iceberg. Why do you think PAD can go where ever and when ever they want? Think about who has the power to back them up and why nobody has stopped them? Answer is the military and ..... I'll leave the other for you to think about. Thaksin wants ULTIMATE power, and he has such great support from the majority of people in thailand, which is the rural to the urban poor. That is why its so hard to get rid of him and his fellow corrupted buddies, and that is why they win all the elections. The PAD supporters consists of the middle class and up which are mostly educated people, they know the real reasons behind Thaksins greedy little antics (I guess some actually don't know). Its none of the things that you read about it in the news, his corruption charges and business fallout with the other dude are just minor details, its more than that, its bigger.

If you want to know more, maybe ask your fellow thai friends, they should be able to tell you more of whats not being published on the news.

read the last paragraph of this article (thats what most people don't know about, and a hush hush topic to talk about)

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ap/20081126/tap-a...ld-7934085.html

I think I brought something new to the table, love to hear what you guys think about what I mentioned.

I don't think there is anything really startling in that article.

For sure there are going to be military people who take sides and others who sit on the fence scared that they might back the wrong horse.

Anything about the royal family is purely heresay and as such not really worth commenting on.

PAD the "champions of democracy" are by their reckless actions creating the conditions that will inevitably require the military to intervene and thus further delay any sort or real democracy ever eventuating in Thailand.

Thus the tactics of PAD are counterproductive to their purported aims of restoring democracy in Thailand.

If you subscribe to conspiracy theories you might think the whole PAD movement is designed to restore a military dictatorship in Thailand!

[magisterludi]

I must say that I read all of your posts with interest and many of them help me to understand the situation a little bit better. However, it seems somewhat futile to talk about any political situation in Thailand while so many of the underlying forces at play are not up on the table for discussion. I hope a peaceful solution to this conflict can be found. I love Thailand dearly and consider it my second home.

Cheers,

Magister Ludi

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PAD the "champions of democracy" are by their reckless actions creating the conditions that will inevitably require the military to intervene and thus further delay any sort or real democracy ever eventuating in Thailand.

If not for PAD bold and decisive actions this country would have been called Thaksinland already and run a-la North Korea after Thaksin had his way with millions of his opponents.

Pad stopping that man is the best hope for democracy Thailand can have at the moment.

[Tolley]

PAD the "champions of democracy" are by their reckless actions creating the conditions that will inevitably require the military to intervene and thus further delay any sort or real democracy ever eventuating in Thailand.

If not for PAD bold and decisive actions this country would have been called Thaksinland already and run a-la North Korea after Thaksin had his way with millions of his opponents.

Pad stopping that man is the best hope for democracy Thailand can have at the moment.

Too many people are obsessed with Thaksin and see Thaksin as the devil incarnate.

As if getting rid of Thaksin will solve or change a lot of Thailands problems.

It will not.

It is the system that needs overhauling. Thaksin has been able to flourish as a result of the shortcomings in the system and the fact that he has been able to exploit it better than most of his predecessors or contemporaries makes many people extremely envious.

As i have stated before a more mature and effective response would be to organise politically and come forward with a program of reforms and a political agenda that appeals not only to the middle class in bangkok and their supporters but to the rural sector as well.