Army Chief Urged To Stage Coup

[imafaranggetmeoutofhere]

have you seen this on the nation

People's Alliance for Democracy leader Chamlong Srimuang meets City police chief Lt Gen Suchart Muenkaew on Sunday to ask him to provide security following daily attack on protesters. is this a joke

[grandpops]

But Somchai went on TV late Wednesday to announce that his government would not either resign or dissolve the House.

-- The Nation 2008-11-27

this is crazy!! the prime minister is nuts!!

step down and its all over! thailand can return to normal!!

the longer he stays in, the worse it is for thailand.

staying in power is proof he doesnt care about the country,,,, he only cares about himself!

Lukily most people in the world think your reasoning is absurd.

A Junta or Dem government now could not control the country and will have no money to pay salaries etc. They will just add to the losses as outside develpment aid is automatically cut off if a Country installs dictators.

This is the forth time they have been elected and are not weak, the Army and Elite are trying to undermind them. Thats all.

Does any Government in the world evict protesters or arrest criminals personally? Did Maggie Thatcher go to the Faulklands or on the Miners Picket lines? Course not. They have instruments of state that are employed and paid to carry out the wishes of the electorate, namly the Army and Police. In Thailand however, they have only ever taken care of themselves or their Mafia bosses. You will not find anybody outside ASTV that would argue with this as it is FACT.

Please explain how you will oust a corrupt Junta appointed Government if it happens. Please please please, where will the checks and balances be against them?

And please answer the other question. Do you think stuffing Uses Tampons around the place is the work of an intellect or a madman.

Come on, you are good at knock the people you hate, lets here some support for the PAD and its ideas. Do you have any?

[Wolfie]

Would be interesting to reset the poll and allow everyone to vote again - just to see how opinion has changed after almost a week of airport closures, a week of apparent inaction of the government, police and military.

[whatawonderfulday]

Would be interesting to reset the poll and allow everyone to vote again - just to see how opinion has changed after almost a week of airport closures, a week of apparent inaction of the government, police and military.

It would also fit in well with the world of Thai politics. Have an election, then for some obscure reason, quash it all and have another, and another, and another, and another at infinitum

[Wolfie]

Well its an opinion poll, not an election poll. Opinions change, especially recently with the last week of Action, Inaction, Politics and Drama.

[Mobi]

Just received the following sms from B post:

"PM Somchai, who is now in Chiang Mai, said he is ready to take advice on ways to solve the national crisis from HM the King"

[Old Man River]

Just received the following sms from B post:

"PM Somchai, who is now in Chiang Mai, said he is ready to take advice on ways to solve the national crisis from HM the King"

Does this imply that he wasn't ready before?

[Mobi]

Just received the following sms from B post:

"PM Somchai, who is now in Chiang Mai, said he is ready to take advice on ways to solve the national crisis from HM the King"

Does this imply that he wasn't ready before?

Don't forget this is a translation from Thai, by a Thai, and abbreviated on a text mesage.

I would guess it means he is going to consult with HM on the best way forward.

Maybe the beginning of the end?

[Mobi]

Another sms:

"Chamlong told PAD protesters at Govt House to move to Don Meuang and Suvarnabhumi,citing security reasons. Only PAD guards will be stationed at Govt House"

[hammered]

Just received the following sms from B post:

"PM Somchai, who is now in Chiang Mai, said he is ready to take advice on ways to solve the national crisis from HM the King"

Does this imply that he wasn't ready before?

After his last visit he was reported as looking dazed on leaving

[Old Man River]

Just received the following sms from B post:

"PM Somchai, who is now in Chiang Mai, said he is ready to take advice on ways to solve the national crisis from HM the King"

Does this imply that he wasn't ready before?

Don't forget this is a translation from Thai, by a Thai, and abbreviated on a text mesage.

I would guess it means he is going to consult with HM on the best way forward.

Maybe the beginning of the end?

Sorry, I was being facetious. No question that it is a a bad translation. BTW, the actual article has the same error.

[Mobi]

Sorry, I was being facetious. No question that it is a a bad translation. BTW, the actual article has the same error.

No sweat

In any case there was only one person from whom he was willing to take advice before, and it wasn't HM.

So you're quite right.

[fudoshinanzan]

If a coup is executed then it will be the Thaksin gang that are eliminated.

I just cast my vote for "no coup" - it seems that a couple more days until PPP is dissolved is a lot lot better option.

I can't vote twice, but I might reverse my opinion as situation develops.

If Reds march on PAD later today - they must be stopped, by force if necessary, but it still doesn't warrant a coup.

Not much incentive for the police to use force. They tried that once and it landed them in hot water. If its wrong to use force ( PAD view ) then its wrong to use force.

BangYai --- think that through ......

Oct 7th ... nobody threatening violence and the police open concentrated fire with RDX laden military ordinance in a way not allowing for the crowd to disperse.

Today if the UDD marches on the PAD it is only with violence in mind, remember they were trained by the bomb lobbing Sae Daeng. Oh wait ... admitting that the circumstances are different would not work for you would it?

Doesn't much matter though as it won't be the police that prevent violence --- it will be the 17 units of the army

Clearly both reds and yellows each have violent, thuggish elements within, that are ready to scrap at any time though. Certainly, the UDD cannot be allowed to march down to the airport and confront the PAD. That would be very grave indeed. However, such an action would be a response to the PAD actions (several days back now they began, how time flies!). Let's not confuse who would be the antagonist in such a scenario. The PAD will not sit quietly and be slaughtered, they will go toe to toe. The first action in this situation was taken by the PAD and the UDD need the discipline to not go down there and escalate matters. I'm not so sure they have it.

Let's have the government disbanded as soon as possible and the ring-leaders of the PAD prosecuted and imprisoned, both of which actions are right and proper.

Edit: While we're on that topic, those who support the PAD surely desire justice as they see it in the form of jail terms (not just for Thaksin but others involved in, for example, the vote fraud), but surely nobody is going to suggest that taking over the airport is not a crime worthy of some length prison time? How many years for that would a person typically get? Will that actually happen?

Edited December 1, 2008 by fudoshinanzan

[easybullet3]

But Somchai went on TV late Wednesday to announce that his government would not either resign or dissolve the House.

-- The Nation 2008-11-27

this is crazy!! the prime minister is nuts!!

step down and its all over! thailand can return to normal!!

the longer he stays in, the worse it is for thailand.

staying in power is proof he doesnt care about the country,,,, he only cares about himself!

Lukily most people in the world think your reasoning is absurd.

A Junta or Dem government now could not control the country and will have no money to pay salaries etc. They will just add to the losses as outside develpment aid is automatically cut off if a Country installs dictators.

This is the forth time they have been elected and are not weak, the Army and Elite are trying to undermind them. Thats all.

Does any Government in the world evict protesters or arrest criminals personally? Did Maggie Thatcher go to the Faulklands or on the Miners Picket lines? Course not. They have instruments of state that are employed and paid to carry out the wishes of the electorate, namly the Army and Police. In Thailand however, they have only ever taken care of themselves or their Mafia bosses. You will not find anybody outside ASTV that would argue with this as it is FACT.

Please explain how you will oust a corrupt Junta appointed Government if it happens. Please please please, where will the checks and balances be against them?

And please answer the other question. Do you think stuffing Uses Tampons around the place is the work of an intellect or a madman.

Come on, you are good at knock the people you hate, lets here some support for the PAD and its ideas. Do you have any?

so, are you saying that you LIKE the prime minister?

and you are saying that I am wrong for hoping he leaves? and you are saying that half the world agrees with you?

i personally thought that everyone already recognises that he is corrupt and is working on behalf of taksin as a puppet.

and the very fact that he wont step down amongst all this trouble is 100% proof that he only cares for himself and NOT for thailand.

when a HUGE scandal hits a western government, the leader or persons involved almost always have to step down.

[Tex79]

when a HUGE scandal hits a western government, the leader or persons involved almost always have to step down.

I agree with the almost always comment

Edited December 1, 2008 by Tex79

[TAWP]

But Somchai went on TV late Wednesday to announce that his government would not either resign or dissolve the House.

-- The Nation 2008-11-27

this is crazy!! the prime minister is nuts!!

step down and its all over! thailand can return to normal!!

the longer he stays in, the worse it is for thailand.

staying in power is proof he doesnt care about the country,,,, he only cares about himself!

Lukily most people in the world think your reasoning is absurd.

A Junta or Dem government now could not control the country and will have no money to pay salaries etc. They will just add to the losses as outside develpment aid is automatically cut off if a Country installs dictators.

'Lukily' (sic) we know you have no idea what most of the world thinks, not that is matters.

And your assumption that an government run by any other party than PPP, be it their coalition-partners or the Dems or a combination, wouldn't have any money to pay salaries is odd...are you saying PPP has wasted it all already?

And don't for a second think Thailand in any way needs outside aid to function. That is just silly rhetoric.

[Chang_paarp]

Just received the following sms from B post:

"PM Somchai, who is now in Chiang Mai, said he is ready to take advice on ways to solve the national crisis from HM the King"

So is Sondhi and co receiving advice too? 1992 comes to mind.

[grandpops]

But Somchai went on TV late Wednesday to announce that his government would not either resign or dissolve the House.

-- The Nation 2008-11-27

this is crazy!! the prime minister is nuts!!

step down and its all over! thailand can return to normal!!

the longer he stays in, the worse it is for thailand.

staying in power is proof he doesnt care about the country,,,, he only cares about himself!

Lukily most people in the world think your reasoning is absurd.

A Junta or Dem government now could not control the country and will have no money to pay salaries etc. They will just add to the losses as outside develpment aid is automatically cut off if a Country installs dictators.

This is the forth time they have been elected and are not weak, the Army and Elite are trying to undermind them. Thats all.

Does any Government in the world evict protesters or arrest criminals personally? Did Maggie Thatcher go to the Faulklands or on the Miners Picket lines? Course not. They have instruments of state that are employed and paid to carry out the wishes of the electorate, namly the Army and Police. In Thailand however, they have only ever taken care of themselves or their Mafia bosses. You will not find anybody outside ASTV that would argue with this as it is FACT.

Please explain how you will oust a corrupt Junta appointed Government if it happens. Please please please, where will the checks and balances be against them?

And please answer the other question. Do you think stuffing Uses Tampons around the place is the work of an intellect or a madman.

Come on, you are good at knock the people you hate, lets here some support for the PAD and its ideas. Do you have any?

so, are you saying that you LIKE the prime minister?

and you are saying that I am wrong for hoping he leaves? and you are saying that half the world agrees with you?

i personally thought that everyone already recognises that he is corrupt and is working on behalf of taksin as a puppet.

and the very fact that he wont step down amongst all this trouble is 100% proof that he only cares for himself and NOT for thailand.

when a HUGE scandal hits a western government, the leader or persons involved almost always have to step down.

Don't have to like the prime minister. Thats democracy and we accept it.

Let me clarify that for you and the PAD sheep. I Grandpops would be delighted if Sondhi was Prime Minsiste or Abhisit... If they were elected. I would rather have the Dems that Thaksin back but no way to the Fascist PAD. Sondhi is Bankrupt again so the people he owes the money to are going to eat his sorry ass like they should have when he lost that 6 billlion baht.

Not everybody shares your insane views and paranoia when Thaksins name is mentioned.

He will step down, when the term ends. Thats how it works and its you out of step.

This is not a scandal hitting the Government here, its a Coup and failed "educated" elite trying to dissenfranchise the poor.

Edited December 1, 2008 by grandpops

[animatic]

You have not understood my post at all. The police have been strongly criticised for using force to keep the PAD away from parliment. If the PAD had not attempted to move forward against the police lines there would have been no confrontation.

Now if the UDD move forward against the police lines you are prepared to condone force in stopping them. Hypocritical JD, and you know it. The adverage policeman must be thinking :

" <deleted> to this, let them get on with it. "

However, the PAD could just leave, then there will be no confrontation. If the PAD have the right to demonstrate against the govournment then you have to agree that the UDD have the right to protest for the govournment. As for violence, I personaly deplore it but both sides have been guity of it and it is likely to increase if both parties refuse to compromise.

No BangYai --- no hypocrisy at all. Preventing one group from attacking another would be their job ... and the PAD did not move up against police lines. They already had barriers set up and you know it BangYai. The police were told by politicians to push them back.

The police were criticized for using EXCESIVE and MALICIOUS force against the protesters.

If they had done it with 'as light a hand as possible', BUT got the job done, few would have freaked out.

But they didn't and so things upped the anti.

The in-appropriateness of the Oct 7th response is a BIG reason why this mess continues.

[Ulysses G.]

But Somchai went on TV late Wednesday to announce that his government would not either resign or dissolve the House.

-- The Nation 2008-11-27

this is crazy!! the prime minister is nuts!!

step down and its all over! thailand can return to normal!!

the longer he stays in, the worse it is for thailand.

staying in power is proof he doesnt care about the country,,,, he only cares about himself!

His party was legally elected. Why should he step down for an illegal mob?

Someone has a loose screw!

[Wolfie]

His party was legally elected. Why should he step down for an illegal mob?

Someone has a loose screw!

Explain that to the courts, i believe they are meeting tomorrow...

[grandpops]

His party was legally elected. Why should he step down for an illegal mob?

Someone has a loose screw!

Explain that to the courts, i believe they are meeting tomorrow...

The verdict came not without criticisms. Although conducted independently, the trial was made in a time when the military junta, understandably hostile to the Thai Rak Thai, was staying in power. Furthermore, the constitutional judges, although consisting of high-profile judges renowned for their autonomy, were arbitrarily hand-picked by the military soon after they came to power.

The introduction of Announcement No. 27 (Section 3) by the Council for Democratic Reform dated 30 September B.E. 2549 (2006), was also a spot of criticism. Whether or not the Announcement can be applied retroactively to charges committed before the Announcement was enacted and enforced is controversial.^[4] On the one hand, it can be argued that the CDR's Announcement earned a law status at the time it was announced. On the other hand, however, making an act punishable as a crime when such an act was not an offense when committed--so-called ex post facto law--is, some argued, unjustifiable. This was reflected by the non-unanimous 6-3 vote in favour of the application of the Announcement. Chief Judge Panya Thanomrod, voting against the use of Announcement No. 27 (Section 3), held that barring individuals from politics is a serious charge and that individuals have the right to know in advance any possible punishment they will receive as a result of conducting a particular action.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_dissolu..._politics,_2006

And, sheep, even though they were hand picked by the Junta to do their bidding they still couldn't agree.

Baaaaa humbug if you don't understand a link beween a Biased Court and a shady verdit. baaaaaa

[barryjohnson]

A coup is quite likely. However, if it happen now, it will be bloody.

I hope that people remains peaceful. I would rather the PAD taking the airport, than seeing the UDD fighting with the army. LaPaz.

[geriatrickid]

I think the military has hesitated staging a coup because they don't know how the EU and USA would react. Loss of favoured nation trading status would put a dent in any junta's pocket book and they do love their EU and USA manufactured weapons so. With Obama set to take over as US President, gone will be the days where any despot can claim to be anti terrorist or anti commie and be able to count on Uncle Sam to turn a blind eye. The people in power in France, the UK, Germany and now the USA have no use for military dictatorships and would speak up. As the economic pain increases the longer the airport fiasco continues, the less likely Thailand could handle an embargo on its agricultural and manufactured goods exports to North America and the EU. Thailand could once count on China and India to fill any void, but China is in no financial position to play white night and India has some economic and political problems of its own brewing. As it is, there is alot of ill will created by the Thai military for failing to support the Thai government thereby causing problems for Indian and Chinese nationals.

Edited December 2, 2008 by geriatrickid

[geriatrickid]

As was kindly pointed out, I should have written white knight, not night.