Thai Political Parties Dissolved

[henryalleman]

Ho can it be any worse than now ?

I hope you will never find out how much worse its possible to get. You're living in one of the most civilized countries in the world. You have relative freedom of speech and press. You have a functioning educational system and health care system that include mostly everyone and all layers of society. You have a relative uniform and strong sense of nationalism. You have water and electricity. If you want to know how much worse its possible to get, hope for your 10 years of military rule.

Well put, "xminator"! Thailand is MORE civilized than most Western countries, IMHO, especially the 'Homeland Securitized' U.S.A. I applaud the restraint of the police (mostly) and the military of Thailand in dealing with a peaceful protest of unarmed citizens with legitimate grievances against the government. BushCo would have sent in the jack-booted riot police, beaten them, handcuffed them, hauled them off to unannounce confinement areas without any specific charges, access to lawyers or bail, and granted no court appearance for as long as it could be kept quiet from the "free" press or general populace.

I see a lot of the visiting fascists are taking this "kinder, gentler" approach as a personal slap in the face. Hope it stings!

Congratulations, Thailand. This is a victory for all of you! :jerk:

[ratcatcher]

What's Thaksin plotting now, I wonder?

[henryalleman]

Lets be realistic as long Thaksin can control his poppets from abroad and stir up the people nothing will chang

I wonder if Thailand don't have some special forces like SAS or secret service like the Mosad or CIA who could bring him back home and put him in jail where he belong.

I dare not suggest the Poetin way.

[sunreader]

Once the PPP activate the new shell government in waiting how can I find out when the next airport closure will occur courtesy of the PAD?...its just I want to be able to ring my boss from BKK and tell him I'm 'stranded' in Thailand and won't be back for a few weeks....

Oh woe is me.

;-)

Edited December 2, 2008 by soundman
No Royal reference please.

[Onyxia]

hey rainman You are really standing in the rain with your comments

My comments don't hurt anyone. But PAD's actions in the past 7 days have ruined Thailand's economy and image. Who's really standing in the rain? The millions of Thai people who have already or will lose their jobs.

Releasing the airports that were never theirs does not justify PAD's actions.

Millions of Thais will lose their jobs because of the closure of the airports for a week?

Of course, Rainman knows all, just accept it and move on

Millions of Thais would lost their jobs just as Rainman mentioned. Whether he is 20,30 or 50 years of age. Does it really matter? The fact that rainman expresses his opinions in a realistic manner does not make him a kid!

A week's action can last for years. Didn't September 11 last for years and years? How many trillion of dollars were lost because of one hour's worth of airplane flying? Come on wake up!

I take it you haven't read his 190 comment over the last 2 days. Go ahead and browse through them and tell me how realistic his opinion's are I guess labeling a group of people that don't share the same opinion are mindless dumb monkeys that deserve to die is realistic......................................

Anyway im off to bed, look forward to seeing more pearls of wisdom from the all knowing Rainman.

[h90]

I got told, that the story is a bit different than the PPP is dreaming about.

The MP who were voted in an area can switch party

The party list MP who were voted on the list all over Thailand are PPP MPs and can not switch, just PPP wants to ignore that and bend the law. So there will be a ruling by court.

That is why PAD first told to continue and than declared victory and told to stop, because they spoke with some specialists.

I couldn't find something on that...anyone know???

[IAMSOBAD]

Is it true or just a rumor that SOMCHAI will have a cooking show now that he is no longer PM? I heard its called WHAT TO DO WITH LEFTOVERS.

[henryalleman]

This is another sad decison by courts that are politcal pawns:

THAILAND: Watershed moment for democracy and rule of law

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

AHRC-STM-298-2008

November 26, 2008

A Statement by the Asian Human Rights Commission

THAILAND: Watershed moment for democracy and rule of law

Already, the criminal justice system of Thailand has been reduced to an utter joke, its agencies and personnel either unable or unwilling to intervene effectively to protect public property and people's lives, or even prosecute wrongdoers. That the security forces can carry out coups on the whimsy of generals and engage in battles over trifles with those of neighbouring countries but not responsibly protect the Government House or international airport is sheer farce. That government agencies have been forced to negotiate and cut their losses rather than insist that the law be enforced is dangerous folly. And that the senior judiciary, which through a succession of highly politicised judgments has played a major part in contributing to the current mess has nothing useful to contribute when lives are at stake and the country is in greatest need of intelligent guidance is altogether shameful. About AHRC: The Asian Human Rights Commission is a regional non-governmental organisation monitoring and lobbying human rights issues in Asia. The Hong Kong-based group was founded in 1984.

http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile....tatements/1779/

I couldn't agree more. I have lost all respect for this country and it's so called leaders.

Similar circumstance occurred in Germany in 1923 and more recently in Myanmar 1962.

Are we heading for fascism?

No, because its excisting already for decades in Thailand.

[henryalleman]

PARTY DISSOLUTION

People Power, Chart Thai and Matchima Thipataya parties disbanded

BANGKOK: -- The Constitution Court on Tuesday ruled to disband three coalition parties, People Power, Chart Thai and Matchima Thipataya, and banned the three's party executives from electoral process for five years.

The high court held the three parties for accountability on electoral fraud involving party executives, Yongyuth Tiyapairat of People Power, Monthien Songpracha of Chart Thai and Sunthorn Wilawan of Matchima Thipataya.

In the fraud case linked to People Power Party, the high court cited the Yongyuth conviction by the Supreme Court as the ground to penalise the ruling party.

For cases linked to Chart Thai and Matchima Thipataya, it invoked the rulings by the Election Commission as the basis to punish the two parties.

The nine presiding judges reached unanimous decisions against People Power and Matchima Thipataya parties. And they formed the eight-to-one decision to punish Chart Thai.

The high court opined that the punishment by disbandment was mandatory as sanctioned by Article 237 of the Constitution and that it had no leeway to selectively punish the party executives on the individual basis.

-- The Nation 2008-12-02

Who are the members of the Constitution Court and how are they appointed? It seems to me that every decision they have made in recent months has been against the interests of the PPP and in support of the interests of the PAD. Could there be some monkey business going on here?

maybe because the PPP is guilty

[Hardie]

Electoral fraud or not, Thaksin and his cronies enjoy wide popular support amongst the uneducated in Thailand, which is the majority. Such is democracy and eight years of GWBush. We didn't like it, but we didn't storm airports. Educate your people! it's pathetic!

[xminator]

A nice writeup from Thanong at the nation blog:

The Chat Thai Party and the Matchima Party have also been dissolved.

As a result of the landmark Constitution Court rulings, the coalition government will have 289 MPs left in Parliament, compared with 165 MPs for the Democrat Party.

People Power will have 221 MPs from 232 MPs. These MPs will have to seek membership in new parties because People Power no longer exists. Take note that party list MPs banned from the ruling will be automatically replaced by candidates in the party list without new election.

Chat Thai now has 19 MPs, losing 15 MPs from the ruling.

Matchima will continue to have 11 MPs because none of them serves as party executives.

I would like to see a list of the provinces the need a re-election? As h90 says there is a some MPs that have their seat from proportional votes (its a normal system used in most democracies to even out diffrences to better reflect the actuall % that voted for a party). For PPP this count for 34 MPs, the two other parties 4 and 7. Its still not enough to alter the balance in the Parliament (house of representatives) short term.

[permanent_disorder]

The Asian Human Rights Commision is a front for Thaksin??

They have always been sympathetic to his cause, front or not.

why you couldn't just stop from telling lies?

AHRC never have been sympathetic to Thaksin, and never supported a camoflage gouvernment and of course never for PAD.

check out AHRC,, take a look at the thai section http://www.ahrc-thailand.net/index.php, Thak Bai, missing persons, war against drug, keep track on Generals etc. the archive is online. the AHRC webseiten is maybe bit confusing and chaotic. needs little bits click around to find everything.

look at this one: Institutionalised torture, extrajudicial killings & uneven application of law in Thailand 2005.

and read their human rights report for 2007. now they declared thaland for lost. thailand now in the hand of fascist.. AHRC know how to spot the culprits.

[rainman]

I take it you haven't read his 190 comment over the last 2 days. Go ahead and browse through them and tell me how realistic his opinion's are I guess labeling a group of people that don't share the same opinion are mindless dumb monkeys that deserve to die is realistic......................................

Facts are, for most of the world's population, it is unacceptable to seize one of the world's largest airports for a week, no matter what you are protesting. The airport occupation didn't change the outcome of the courts. Also a fact, in most civilized countries, seizing an international airport, would have caused the police and possibly army move in within minutes and get rid of the protesters, if needed by force. Tell me how US authorities would have acted if the JFK airport was seized by armed protesters? How the Spanish authorities would have acted if the Madrid Barajas airport was seized by armed protesters? Or how Dutch authorities would have acted if the Schiphol airport in Amsterdam was seized by armed protesters?

If you have a different opinion, fine. But the authorities in these and most other countries would have acted much differently to prevent the economic disaster that Thailand and it's people will be facing in the coming months and years.

To me, the PAD are monkeys (and that's saying it nicely). That's my opinion, I've never asked you to accept or share it.

My opinion doesn't hurt anyone, but PAD's actions do and will.

[jdinasia]

When you call for actual violence .. then your opinion CAN hurt people. (That may be why there is a rule against it on ThaiVisa.com)

[rainman]

When you call for actual violence .. then your opinion CAN hurt people. (That may be why there is a rule against it on ThaiVisa.com)

Did PAD leaders promote peace when they said they are "ready to die"?

Or did PAD guards promote peace when they shot with handguns on Viphavadee Road?

The horse is dead, keep beating it. Or better, open up a separate "bash rainman" thread. I realize that ignoring other people's (especially the majority's) opinions is one of PAD's core values, so I'll leave you with that.

[h90]

Electoral fraud or not, Thaksin and his cronies enjoy wide popular support amongst the uneducated in Thailand, which is the majority. Such is democracy and eight years of GWBush. We didn't like it, but we didn't storm airports. Educate your people! it's pathetic!

The statistic is was telling 2 years ago 1.000.000 people died because of Bush, so blocking the airports would have been the better idea.

[jdinasia]

Electoral fraud or not, Thaksin and his cronies enjoy wide popular support amongst the uneducated in Thailand, which is the majority. Such is democracy and eight years of GWBush. We didn't like it, but we didn't storm airports. Educate your people! it's pathetic!

No. Electoral fraud is NOT democracy. To make a case for electoral fraud being acceptable is just crazy! This isn't the USA if you have not noticed.

You are correct on one point though. Education is the key if there is ever going to be a fully functional democracy here, sadly it appears that we have to educate even Americans about democracy.

I hope the Demos step up now and do some of that education. Staring with "If you sell your vote it is worth nothing" and that the EC says even more clearly "If you are a political party and try and buy votes then you will be disbanded almost immediately.

The Demos also need to step up and come up with a real platform that is unifying. They need to start with debt-relief for the ill conceived Thaksinista loans. Then actually do what was supposed to have been done ages ago ... let the provinces have more self-rule instead of letting the central government appoint provincial governors. With good oversight from the central government of course!

[h90]

A nice writeup from Thanong at the nation blog:

The Chat Thai Party and the Matchima Party have also been dissolved.

As a result of the landmark Constitution Court rulings, the coalition government will have 289 MPs left in Parliament, compared with 165 MPs for the Democrat Party.

People Power will have 221 MPs from 232 MPs. These MPs will have to seek membership in new parties because People Power no longer exists. Take note that party list MPs banned from the ruling will be automatically replaced by candidates in the party list without new election.

Chat Thai now has 19 MPs, losing 15 MPs from the ruling.

Matchima will continue to have 11 MPs because none of them serves as party executives.

I would like to see a list of the provinces the need a re-election? As h90 says there is a some MPs that have their seat from proportional votes (its a normal system used in most democracies to even out diffrences to better reflect the actuall % that voted for a party). For PPP this count for 34 MPs, the two other parties 4 and 7. Its still not enough to alter the balance in the Parliament (house of representatives) short term.

yes what is with the proportional votes and how many are that? you can't transfer a proportional vote to another party.

[erobando]

Millions of Thais would lost their jobs just as Rainman mentioned. Whether he is 20,30 or 50 years of age. Does it really matter? The fact that rainman expresses his opinions in a realistic manner does not make him a kid!

A week's action can last for years. Didn't September 11 last for years and years? How many trillion of dollars were lost because of one hour's worth of airplane flying? Come on wake up!

Dumb comparison to the current situation. Thailand won't need to rebuild the airports.

But no, even Sept 11 didn't last for "years and years".

[xminator]

yes what is with the proportional votes and how many are that? you can't transfer a proportional vote to another party.

Yes, that might be so, but it still dont change anything. The Coalition parties are still in majority, PTP will still have a majority of the seats alone.

I guess that triggering by-elections in some provinces will also mean the democrat MPs from these provinces will be part of the new vote. And that the proportional votes will have to be adjusted afterward. They likely outcome of this is even more PTP seats.

Edited December 2, 2008 by xminator

[henryalleman]

Electoral fraud or not, Thaksin and his cronies enjoy wide popular support amongst the uneducated in Thailand, which is the majority. Such is democracy and eight years of GWBush. We didn't like it, but we didn't storm airports. Educate your people! it's pathetic!

The statistic is was telling 2 years ago 1.000.000 people died because of Bush, so blocking the airports would have been the better idea.

:jerk:

[JacknDanny]

When you call for actual violence .. then your opinion CAN hurt people. (That may be why there is a rule against it on ThaiVisa.com)

Did PAD leaders promote peace when they said they are "ready to die"?

Or did PAD guards promote peace when they shot with handguns on Viphavadee Road?

The horse is dead, keep beating it. Or better, open up a separate "bash rainman" thread. I realize that ignoring other people's (especially the majority's) opinions is one of PAD's core values, so I'll leave you with that.

RELAX HOLLY

[marc11864]

So how many years of vote buying to we have until they run out of names?

...or money?

[Onyxia]

When you call for actual violence .. then your opinion CAN hurt people. (That may be why there is a rule against it on ThaiVisa.com)

Did PAD leaders promote peace when they said they are "ready to die"?

Or did PAD guards promote peace when they shot with handguns on Viphavadee Road?

The horse is dead, keep beating it. Or better, open up a separate "bash rainman" thread. I realize that ignoring other people's (especially the majority's) opinions is one of PAD's core values, so I'll leave you with that.

Do you actually read what you write? What next you going to call me a monkey for not agreeing with you? Going to tell me to have Sondhi translate some documents for me? I didnt support the pad in there acts of violence, nor did i deny what happened. I do admit though im not a fan of Thaksin and his proxie government. Guess that's cause i was actually here before he was pm, when he was elected pm, during his complete reign as pm.

I guess as a UDD card carrying member you are entitled to insult and advocate violence on anyone that doesnt succumb to your train of thought.

Let me leave you with a photo of how the reds advocate peace.

To me it kinda looks like both sides arent that peaceful..........................

Regardless of my disdain for thaksin i hope this gets solved without more people losing there life. Both sides are using there people and praying on there beliefs to make sure they have a chance to line there pocket with more money. That's all this is about, to bad the ones pulling the strings arent the ones dying, cause if it was i doubt you would see either side so eager to kill one another.

[KireB]

Electoral fraud or not, Thaksin and his cronies enjoy wide popular support amongst the uneducated in Thailand, which is the majority. Such is democracy and eight years of GWBush. We didn't like it, but we didn't storm airports. Educate your people! it's pathetic!

Maybe you should have, especially after Bush's blatant lies on the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. A lie that cost thousands, maybe millions of people their lives. The US government is (I hope was) even more corrupt than their Thai counterparts. Halliburton, na ka?

The Thais have more cojones than most Americans do. Governments are elected by the people, should work for the people and not lie or steal from the people.

That's democracy and if democracy is in danger, the people need to stand up, no matter what the price is!

[KireB]

The horse is dead, keep beating it. Or better, open up a separate "bash rainman" thread. I realize that ignoring other people's (especially the majority's) opinions is one of PAD's core values, so I'll leave you with that.

Thats your first intelligent post in days!

Self reflection is indeed a form of intelligence!

[xminator]

After the latest days I think more people then not are glad Thailand is a sun resort to most of the world and not a global power.

Edited December 2, 2008 by xminator

[erobando]

I see.. but would I be right in assuming that it leads to the same thing. i.e same people / group / puppets back in power ?

Sadly, I think so. One just has to look at how many banned TRT party members are still involved in the PPP party affairs. They don't even try to hide it.

About the only thing that this will do, is add to SriRacha John's long list of banned politicians !

Yes, the main good thing is that more and mroe old guard politicians are getting banned. People that were around pre-TRT. Hopefully, the same will eventually be done with some Dems, too.

The hope is that the younger generations will eventually form true political parties with actual cohesive platforms and that aren't tied solely to individuals. It'll take a while, but we'll see...

So, sow many people tonight are going to have Fried Eel?

[MikeWill]

Facts are, for most of the world's population, it is unacceptable to seize one of the world's largest airports for a week, no matter what you are protesting.

Does it matter?

The airport occupation didn't change the outcome of the courts.

Are you sure? And furthermore, maybe it prevented the rehabilitation of Mr. T.

Also a fact, in most civilized countries, seizing an international airport, would have caused the police and possibly army move in within minutes and get rid of the protesters, if needed by force. Tell me how US authorities would have acted if the JFK airport was seized by armed protesters? How the Spanish authorities would have acted if the Madrid Barajas airport was seized by armed protesters? Or how Dutch authorities would have acted if the Schiphol airport in Amsterdam was seized by armed protesters?

Again and again, this doesn't relevant to the situation in Thailand...

If you have a different opinion, fine. But the authorities in these and most other countries would have acted much differently to prevent the economic disaster that Thailand and it's people will be facing in the coming months and years.

To me, the PAD are monkeys (and that's saying it nicely). That's my opinion, I've never asked you to accept or share it.

My opinion doesn't hurt anyone, but PAD's actions do and will.

My opinion is different!

There are legitimate and resposible governments in most countries.

[Wiresok]

As a seeker of truth and justice I think it is now apparent that this onslought by the thai establishment on the institution of democracy has failed.

Democracy will continue, the business of legitimate, democratic government will continue.

It will now get more support from the international community than it ever had.

Everybody knows that the thai courts have been bought off and are totaly corrupt, who does the EC report to?

The international community will have no objection to the continuance of the Thai democratic process.

The international community is now also very much aware of the faschist, undemocrat elements of the thai society, and their means, and are very disturbed regards the PAD views on dictatorship and ethnic cleansing.

The international community is now very much educated about some of the thai way and is not impressed.

As the PAD fanatics now go home , to face the international grilling on their views, the democratically elected government goes on , with international respect and approval .