The Hypocricy Of The Usa

[spacebass]

It is strongly rumoured that it is quite usual for US female college students to 'Dance' their way through college in the Go-Go bars commonplace in U.S. shopping Malls (back rooms and all!!) , the following link would seem to strongly support the general principle:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/....5-million.html

And yet a Thai lady married to a U.S. citizen is categorically denied any chance of a U.S. visa if she has engaged in exactly the same practices driven by identical motives in the last 10 years!

Where is the logic, fairness, justification in such discrimination ?

More: http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/stor...ght-44867.shtml

Edited January 16, 2009 by spacebass

[Jingthing]

Oh, please. Citizens of any country have special rights. They are citizens. It is the right of any country to control immigration and pick and choose who they accept even for tourism as it is known that a large percentage of tourism visitors from Thailand will overstay illegally. The USA has more than enough native born prostitutes, thank you very much!

Edited January 16, 2009 by Jingthing

[spacebass]

You would imagine a U.S. citizen who wanted to take his Bona Fide Thai wife to the U.S. to live might have special rights (or even basic rights!) too!!!

Edited January 16, 2009 by spacebass

[Jingthing]

You would imagine a U.S. citizen who wanted to take his Bona Fide Thai wife to the U.S. to live might have special rights (or even basic rights!) too!!!

I understand you would feel angry. However, I wonder if they know something about the percentage of Thai spouses who used to be prostitutes who do end up doing the same thing in the US, not saying this has anything to do with your wife. I think you have a legit complaint but I don't think it has anything to do with hypocrisy.

Edited January 16, 2009 by Jingthing

[SaigonDaze]

If your wife can qualify for the Visa, then you should have no troubles.

[huggybear]

It is strongly rumoured that it is quite usual for US female college students to 'Dance' their way through college in the Go-Go bars commonplace in U.S. shopping Malls (back rooms and all!!) , the following link would seem to strongly support the general principle:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/....5-million.html

And yet a Thai lady married to a U.S. citizen is categorically denied any chance of a U.S. visa if she has engaged in exactly the same practices driven by identical motives in the last 10 years!

Where is the logic, fairness, justification in such discrimination ?

More: http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/stor...ght-44867.shtml

First of all, your argument is terrible, because a go-go bar in the U.S is not the same as one in Thailand. In the U.S. a girl that dances in a bar is not automatically a hooker. Are the chances better that maybe she is a working girl (?), yes, I'll give you that, but I actually knew some of those girls in college and they weren't hookers.

If you wanted to bring up hypocrisy in the U.S., there sure are a lot more pertinent issues that the one you raised (BTW I am an American).

How about:

Condemning other nations about human rights issues while running Guantanamo Bay.

Presidential speeches where it's said we'll never allow that country to become a Muslim state and signing off with "God Bless America".

No, there are much bigger issues than getting your bar-girl wife a U.S. Visa.....................

Edited January 16, 2009 by huggybear

[Eff1n2ret]

And yet a Thai lady married to a U.S. citizen is categorically denied any chance of a U.S. visa if she has engaged in exactly the same practices driven by identical motives in the last 10 years!

I don't think it's a moral judgement, so hypocrisy doesn't come into it. The presumption is that ladies who have followed such a profession are better able to steel themselves to a liaison with someone they don't particularly fancy in order to gain settlement in the west, and have no intention of continuing the marriage once they get what they want. Thus the bar is set higher for them than ladies from other walks of life.

It's not totally unreasonable.

[ray08]

An american can be jailed for murder in his own country and when he comes out he still American ,Foreigners with even a small conviction have trouble entering the states , you can,t compare american girls being Go Go Dancers ,because they are American citizens and have special rights ,eg like Thais here can own land outrights but not foreigners.

The rules are tougth,but don,t worry Thailand also has very stupid rules with regards to Visa laws, and at least America give 10 year visa ,

[britmaveric]

Known gogo\bg(s) that received yank visas without problem. Each case is decided individually - no blanket ban.

[OlRedEyes]

The USA has more than enough native born prostitutes, thank you very much!

You sure of this? I believe the price is quite high, which indicates a shortage.

[DirectorIntegrityLegal]

Known gogo\bg(s) that received yank visas without problem. Each case is decided individually - no blanket ban.

Prostitution is a grounds of inadmissibility, The US Embassy in Thailand infers that if a girl worked as a bargirl, then she was engaged in prostitution. In order to remedy the inadmissibility, one must file for a waiver of inadmissibility. I have never heard of a prostitution waiver being rejected where the couple disclosed the fact and sought the waiver. The problem comes where the couple tries to cover it up, it gets found out, and the consulate makes the presumption that the couple was attempting to defraud Immigration and the Embassy. Fraud is a grounds of inadmissibility as well and one would need another waiver to overcome this inadmissibility. My main point, prostitution waivers can be obtained, but don't try to lie to the Embassy in order to avoid the need for one.

Good luck,

Ben Hart

US Immigration Attorney

Integrity Legal

02-686-3447

1-877-231-7533

[patklang]

If a thai cannot abide by the rules then why should a country allow them in.Surely its up to the man to choose the right lady if he wants to take her home to his adopted country.

COMMON SENSE REALY

If she cant get a visa stop whinging and try again with a lady who can get a visa.

[IMA_FARANG]

It is strongly rumoured that it is quite usual for US female college students to 'Dance' their way through college in the Go-Go bars commonplace in U.S. shopping Malls (back rooms and all!!) , the following link would seem to strongly support the general principle:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/....5-million.html

And yet a Thai lady married to a U.S. citizen is categorically denied any chance of a U.S. visa if she has engaged in exactly the same practices driven by identical motives in the last 10 years!

Where is the logic, fairness, justification in such discrimination ?

More: http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/stor...ght-44867.shtml

Oh please, don't be silly.

Prostitution is illegal in the United States...for citizens as well as legal (or illegal for that matter) aliens living in the U.S.

Exotic dancing, as in bars or strip clubs is NOT illegal for either group.

If you are referring to not allowing Thai bargirls to enter the U.S. on a visa who can not pass the Thai police check requirement...that is a different matter.

For your information, the requirement for a Thai police check was not originally established by the U.S consulate/embessy.

It is a response to a request from the Thai government for a method that can control the travel of Thai citizens, usually young women, that enter the U.S. as sponsored by an American guy...who they then leave and start "working" as a prostitute/escort/etc.

If such a person is caught, and deported back to Thailand the THAI government will be responsible for their transportation if their sponsor can't/won't pay for transportation. (and assuming that the Thai person caught can't pay for their own deportation travel, which is often the case).

For those two reasons, the THAI authorites, asked the U.S. to establish the rule that those who are known to have been working in the bar 'entertainment' business in Thailand must obtain a police clearance before they can obtain a visa.

It is a method for the removal of those who both the Thai police, and the U.S. immigration feel may not be desired in the U.S.

And, for your information, although the U.S. embessy might deny this, the chance of a 40 year old woman getting a police clearance even though she may have a history of working in a bar (but no arrest record) is much higher than similar 25 year old woman is. The embessy is not made of fools who don't understand what is going on. That's why they require the police check for applicants.

The U.S. embessy has the final decision on the matter, but they will follow closely what the Thai police suggest.

[patklang]

Sometimes its realy funny listening to stories on here about tirak going to home country.My mate applied and went crazy with them for not allowing his gf(not bar girl) a 6 month visa.The guy is on the dole and claiming even winter fuel money,when he is here,Never worked for over 25 years,sells cheap tobacco and has already been visited by police etc.Not got money in bank cos he ahs to hide it,and wonders why he cant get a visa.

OUSTANDING

[Tod Daniels]

I think several previous posters have hit the proverbial nail on the head;

1) go-go dancers in the US are not by default prostitutes, while ones in the glorious "Land 'O Thais" sadly are..

2) LYING on a visa application; once discovered, is immediate grounds for denial, plain and simple. Lie at your own peril.

3) I have personally witnessed all too many guys trying to get their gold encrusted, tattooed, and pierced (in)significant other's a tourist visa to America. Yet they show up with them at the US embassy looking like they both just walked out of Soi Cowboy. Appearance is everything, cover the tattoo(s), remove the piercing(s), dress like you're actually meeting a representative of the US government (BTW: you are), and act accordingly. Have your ducks in a row, paperwork filled out correctly, and remember NO ONE gets preferential treatment.

The burden rests squarely on the thai applying to show they have adequate 'thais to thailand' to return when the visa is over.

I know more thai whores than I care to count who have received 10 year US tourist visas. They just didn't look like whores when they applied, AND they met the requirements for a visa.

I will agree the 'bar' is exponentially higher allowing thais access into the US, than the nearly non-existent one which allows US citizens access into the glorious "Land 'O Thais", but rightfully so. Unless you failed to notice, with your rose colored glasses and all, there is quite a disparity between the two countries.

Rules are tools, follow them. .. ..

[toptuan]

It is strongly rumoured that it is quite usual for US female college students to 'Dance' their way through college in the Go-Go bars commonplace in U.S. shopping Malls (back rooms and all!!) , the following link would seem to strongly support the general principle:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/....5-million.html

And yet a Thai lady married to a U.S. citizen is categorically denied any chance of a U.S. visa if she has engaged in exactly the same practices driven by identical motives in the last 10 years!

Where is the logic, fairness, justification in such discrimination ?

More: http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/stor...ght-44867.shtml

The logic is that there is usually always a higher standard for foreign entrants to a country than for the citizens themselves (citizens have more rights, as mentioned above). Nearly every country holds to this general standard. No hypocrisy. Just another excuse for the obligatory twice-a-month-bash-the-USA thread. Or, a case of The Fox and the Grapes.

[sbk]

All points have been addressed and I see no point in allowing this thread to continue.