Judgement Day

[G54]

It has been a long wait - over a year - and the use of two lawyers (one very suspect) but, today I have word from my new, free lawyer, that the Judge has ruled in my favour.

In a case where I am owed 100,000 Baht by a Thai, the Judge yesterday made out a paper that has been sent to a certain young lady, advising her that he has ruled in my favour and that she must pay back the 100,000.

She has 1 month to respond to the Judge. No response for payment and I get a paper from the Judge himself giving me permission to go to the car, land offices etc. to see what property she owns. If she does own a car or whatever, my lawyer can then take that from her as payment or part payment. This judgement stays in my favour for 10 years, allowing me to make as many checks as I like as to her property status.

I am led to understand the original paperwork made out for this loan was not up to standard but that was, erm, rectified

I would like to say that this lawyer in Nakhonsawan has been working for free. The only payment I have made is 5,000 Baht to the Judge for his work.

When this lawyer heard what had happened with my previous lawyer he was not happy and also not happy I (a Farang) have been treated badly, so he offered his services for free

There is a seperate document set aside that allows a good Thai friend to continue the search for property owned even if I have to go back to the U.K. for any extended period, so she cannot hope for that to happen with any success

A happy day for this Farang though I do realise this is not over yet.

It shows we can get judgements in our favour if we are patient and find an honest lawyer.

[simon43]

The only payment I have made is 5,000 Baht to the Judge for his work.

Sounds like you bribed the judge...

Simon

[Geekfreaklover]

Well done.

Lawyer working for free? That's a new one. But depends on how much work was involved.

You might want to make sure that your lawyer wasn't working on a contigency basis, which would mean he can take a percent of what you claim.

[Soutpeel]

Just thinking the exact same thing.... ......justice served...for a fee...

[Geekfreaklover]

Just thinking the exact same thing.... ......justice served...for a fee...

... but no judge is going to be bought for a measley 5k. I think that he refers to court costs.

[NewLifeNY]

I had no idea that the government or the distric paid the judge...and also the farang.

I might need to call that judge in a case of any emergency, whats his name again?

[bkkjames]

I had no idea that the government or the distric paid the judge...and also the farang.

I might need to call that judge in a case of any emergency, whats his name again?

Technically, he didn't pay the judge for assisting in coming to such a good decision, he actually gave him 5k to donate to the village retirement fund. At least it wasn't under the table.

[sibeymai]

While having a court order in your favour is certainly better than not having one, they aren't worth the paper they're printed on and are no guarantee that you will see one satang. Consider it a moral victory.

[Maizefarmer]

It has been a long wait - over a year - and the use of two lawyers (one very suspect) but, today I have word from my new, free lawyer, that the Judge has ruled in my favour.

In a case where I am owed 100,000 Baht by a Thai, the Judge yesterday made out a paper that has been sent to a certain young lady, advising her that he has ruled in my favour and that she must pay back the 100,000.

She has 1 month to respond to the Judge. No response for payment and I get a paper from the Judge himself giving me permission to go to the car, land offices etc. to see what property she owns. If she does own a car or whatever, my lawyer can then take that from her as payment or part payment. This judgement stays in my favour for 10 years, allowing me to make as many checks as I like as to her property status.

I am led to understand the original paperwork made out for this loan was not up to standard but that was, erm, rectified

I would like to say that this lawyer in Nakhonsawan has been working for free. The only payment I have made is 5,000 Baht to the Judge for his work.

When this lawyer heard what had happened with my previous lawyer he was not happy and also not happy I (a Farang) have been treated badly, so he offered his services for free

There is a seperate document set aside that allows a good Thai friend to continue the search for property owned even if I have to go back to the U.K. for any extended period, so she cannot hope for that to happen with any success

A happy day for this Farang though I do realise this is not over yet.

It shows we can get judgements in our favour if we are patient and find an honest lawyer.

Well, well guys .................... other than for the payment to M'Lordship, we finaly have first hand evidence that the Thai justice system is unbiased (er... cough cough).

er .... I suggest you conduct your due-dilligence NOW - you'll find in a few weeks all her assets will have changed name, and you'll have to demonstrate that if you want to "freeze" them (even if in someone else's name). - because a court order is indeed, as sibeymai has said above, quite useless with out an asset to attach it to.

Edited February 3, 2009 by Maizefarmer

[johnsurin]

A fantastic result for the OP.

Would the OP be willing to divulge what the case he won was, as in relation to the size of his victory. And do you think you will recover the money you have lost? I.E. Do you think the lady in question has the means to pay?

John.....

[jtp]

I too am itching to find out more,as i probably walk past you in big c every day...On my way to MK for that delicious crispy pork and their delightful little dance...

[samuibeachcomber]

I too am itching to find out more,as i probably walk past you in big c every day...On my way to MK for that delicious crispy pork and their delightful little dance...

looking at your avatar tritex i cant work out if your chilling out with your mates,shagged out,or have had too much bundy rum.

[jtp]

I too am itching to find out more,as i probably walk past you in big c every day...On my way to MK for that delicious crispy pork and their delightful little dance...

looking at your avatar tritex i cant work out if your chilling out with your mates,shagged out,or have had too much bundy rum.

I'd like to think all three...

[Gravelrash]

Many years ago, I won a case where a Thai had withheld 1 million baht guarantee on a commercial property after the contract was finished.

Then went on and further won the appeal in the High Court.

Of course all those years had given them time to be completely asset-less. Finally gave up as there was nothing there to get. I think if you have a good lawyer who is actually on your side the courts will rule in your favour if you are in the right. Doesn't necessarily mean you will ever see any money though.

[dotcom]

Do you know how easy it is for a Thai national to get a new name & a new identity?

Congrats. Now if you get paid I will be impressed.

Edited February 3, 2009 by dotcom

[G54]

The 5k payment to the judge was for whatever it was. Costs? Paperwork? I am not certain.

As to the lady in question changing her property into other peoples names, this Judgement stays in force for another 10 years and even if I do not get 1 Satong back, she will know that I am there in the background looking into whatever property she does own and ready to snatch it from her and that alone gives me a certain amount of pleasure. I can drive past her house or park up for short periods of time and linger outside her door looking at the car in her drive on the pretext of checking out her assets and she will know I am there

As long as I do not make a nuisance of myself or cause any disturbance or damage, I can be there looking and have her thinking.

The lawyer does not want a percentage. Free means free.

It is good to know there are people out there who are honest and diligent and also care.

So I am still a happy person

[johnsurin]

The 5k payment to the judge was for whatever it was. Costs? Paperwork? I am not certain.

As to the lady in question changing her property into other peoples names, this Judgement stays in force for another 10 years and even if I do not get 1 Satong back, she will know that I am there in the background looking into whatever property she does own and ready to snatch it from her and that alone gives me a certain amount of pleasure. I can drive past her house or park up for short periods of time and linger outside her door looking at the car in her drive on the pretext of checking out her assets and she will know I am there

As long as I do not make a nuisance of myself or cause any disturbance or damage, I can be there looking and have her thinking.

The lawyer does not want a percentage. Free means free.

It is good to know there are people out there who are honest and diligent and also care.

So I am still a happy person

It seems like you are satisfied with the knowledge that you have won the case, never mind the money.

A good moral victory, well done.

John.....

[bruceboy]

Congrats on this matter.

[kartman]

The 5k payment to the judge was for whatever it was. Costs? Paperwork? I am not certain.

As to the lady in question changing her property into other peoples names, this Judgement stays in force for another 10 years and even if I do not get 1 Satong back, she will know that I am there in the background looking into whatever property she does own and ready to snatch it from her and that alone gives me a certain amount of pleasure. I can drive past her house or park up for short periods of time and linger outside her door looking at the car in her drive on the pretext of checking out her assets and she will know I am there

As long as I do not make a nuisance of myself or cause any disturbance or damage, I can be there looking and have her thinking.

The lawyer does not want a percentage. Free means free.

It is good to know there are people out there who are honest and diligent and also care.

So I am still a happy person

Until the new man/men in her life get pissed off and decide you would look better with another apperture in your scull .

[Briggsy]

As to the lady in question changing her property into other peoples names, this Judgement stays in force for another 10 years and even if I do not get 1 Satong back, she will know that I am there in the background looking into whatever property she does own and ready to snatch it from her and that alone gives me a certain amount of pleasure. I can drive past her house or park up for short periods of time and linger outside her door looking at the car in her drive on the pretext of checking out her assets and she will know I am there

As long as I do not make a nuisance of myself or cause any disturbance or damage, I can be there looking and have her thinking.

No offence, mate. Do you know anything about this country? If you try to snatch anything with or without a court order, there is a good chance you'll end up dead.

If on the slim chance you do succeed in getting your 100,000 Baht, you had better not hang around Thailand too long and if you do, don't follow a predictable routine. Do you know any high level army or police that can offer you protection? Do you plan to spend a good chunk of your future here? Is 100,000 Baht or antagonising somebody worth it?

[john b good]

The only payment I have made is 5,000 Baht to the Judge for his work.

Sounds like you bribed the judge...

Simon

No necessarily. You have to pay a fee to the court when you lodge a claim of any sort.

[G54]

As to the lady in question changing her property into other peoples names, this Judgement stays in force for another 10 years and even if I do not get 1 Satong back, she will know that I am there in the background looking into whatever property she does own and ready to snatch it from her and that alone gives me a certain amount of pleasure. I can drive past her house or park up for short periods of time and linger outside her door looking at the car in her drive on the pretext of checking out her assets and she will know I am there

As long as I do not make a nuisance of myself or cause any disturbance or damage, I can be there looking and have her thinking.

No offence, mate. Do you know anything about this country? If you try to snatch anything with or without a court order, there is a good chance you'll end up dead.

If on the slim chance you do succeed in getting your 100,000 Baht, you had better not hang around Thailand too long and if you do, don't follow a predictable routine. Do you know any high level army or police that can offer you protection? Do you plan to spend a good chunk of your future here? Is 100,000 Baht or antagonising somebody worth it?

Fears? None serious.

Protection? No real problem in that respect either, if I need to have some help.

As for the 100k, yes it is worth them getting some grief. Not so much for the money but the way the whole thing was handled. And I won't go into details over that.

I have learnt a lot about the situation and have a very shrewd idea of what I am getting into.

I am still happy and now off to the pub for some &

[pnustedt]

I won a court case a couple of years ago for a similar amount. The lawyers fees were not very much and there was also a small fee for going to court. It was to recover a debt from the local village headman who told us that there was nothing we could do about it, he paid within a few weeks of the hearing.

[bkkjames]

As to the lady in question changing her property into other peoples names, this Judgement stays in force for another 10 years and even if I do not get 1 Satong back, she will know that I am there in the background looking into whatever property she does own and ready to snatch it from her and that alone gives me a certain amount of pleasure. I can drive past her house or park up for short periods of time and linger outside her door looking at the car in her drive on the pretext of checking out her assets and she will know I am there

As long as I do not make a nuisance of myself or cause any disturbance or damage, I can be there looking and have her thinking.

No offence, mate. Do you know anything about this country? If you try to snatch anything with or without a court order, there is a good chance you'll end up dead.

If on the slim chance you do succeed in getting your 100,000 Baht, you had better not hang around Thailand too long and if you do, don't follow a predictable routine. Do you know any high level army or police that can offer you protection? Do you plan to spend a good chunk of your future here? Is 100,000 Baht or antagonising somebody worth it?

Fears? None serious.

Protection? No real problem in that respect either, if I need to have some help.

As for the 100k, yes it is worth them getting some grief. Not so much for the money but the way the whole thing was handled. And I won't go into details over that.

I have learnt a lot about the situation and have a very shrewd idea of what I am getting into.

I am still happy and now off to the pub for some &

regarding your point that I bolded above, the key to this is getting it before you need it.

[t.s]

The 5k payment to the judge was for whatever it was. Costs? Paperwork? I am not certain.

As to the lady in question changing her property into other peoples names, this Judgement stays in force for another 10 years and even if I do not get 1 Satong back, she will know that I am there in the background looking into whatever property she does own and ready to snatch it from her and that alone gives me a certain amount of pleasure. I can drive past her house or park up for short periods of time and linger outside her door looking at the car in her drive on the pretext of checking out her assets and she will know I am there

As long as I do not make a nuisance of myself or cause any disturbance or damage, I can be there looking and have her thinking.

The lawyer does not want a percentage. Free means free.

It is good to know there are people out there who are honest and diligent and also care.

So I am still a happy person

so you won the right to be a stalking <deleted> for 100k? congrats, its not easy to be that petty.

[t.s]

As to the lady in question changing her property into other peoples names, this Judgement stays in force for another 10 years and even if I do not get 1 Satong back, she will know that I am there in the background looking into whatever property she does own and ready to snatch it from her and that alone gives me a certain amount of pleasure. I can drive past her house or park up for short periods of time and linger outside her door looking at the car in her drive on the pretext of checking out her assets and she will know I am there

As long as I do not make a nuisance of myself or cause any disturbance or damage, I can be there looking and have her thinking.

No offence, mate. Do you know anything about this country? If you try to snatch anything with or without a court order, there is a good chance you'll end up dead.

If on the slim chance you do succeed in getting your 100,000 Baht, you had better not hang around Thailand too long and if you do, don't follow a predictable routine. Do you know any high level army or police that can offer you protection? Do you plan to spend a good chunk of your future here? Is 100,000 Baht or antagonising somebody worth it?

I love these threads where the "you will end up dead" crew come out of the wood work. These advocates of cowardice and rolling over dead and taking it up the ... well you know.

We are talking about 100k baht.

I have had personal involvement in a lawsuit involving much more than that and am still on amicable terms with the family of the defendant.

My lawyers managed to negotiate a full settlement without even going to court, and i never personally discussed it with the defendant, even when approached. I gave a deadline and once it elapsed i told him it was up to the lawyers now, talk to them.

In essence i removed myself from the proceedings. by avoiding direct confrontation and employing the right collector, i got my money back and no one lost face.

while i think the OP comes off as a vindictive, petty waste of skin little better than a stalker, i am more disgusted by the keep your head down and no one will kill you crew.

I do not have to hide when i am in the loclality, i do not know a police general, and everyone knows that i am not a soft touch, i will, and i did fight back -- for money, not revenge.

Ialso learned not to beleive Bangkok Bank when they tell you, yes sir, no problem, the cheque has been cancelled, payment has been stopped.

Edited February 4, 2009 by t.s

[bonobo]

I too am itching to find out more,as i probably walk past you in big c every day...On my way to MK for that delicious crispy pork and their delightful little dance...

looking at your avatar tritex i cant work out if your chilling out with your mates,shagged out,or have had too much bundy rum.

I'd like to think all three...

I have your avatar on my mousepad!

[bkkjames]

As to the lady in question changing her property into other peoples names, this Judgement stays in force for another 10 years and even if I do not get 1 Satong back, she will know that I am there in the background looking into whatever property she does own and ready to snatch it from her and that alone gives me a certain amount of pleasure. I can drive past her house or park up for short periods of time and linger outside her door looking at the car in her drive on the pretext of checking out her assets and she will know I am there

As long as I do not make a nuisance of myself or cause any disturbance or damage, I can be there looking and have her thinking.

No offence, mate. Do you know anything about this country? If you try to snatch anything with or without a court order, there is a good chance you'll end up dead.

If on the slim chance you do succeed in getting your 100,000 Baht, you had better not hang around Thailand too long and if you do, don't follow a predictable routine. Do you know any high level army or police that can offer you protection? Do you plan to spend a good chunk of your future here? Is 100,000 Baht or antagonising somebody worth it?

I love these threads where the "you will end up dead" crew come out of the wood work. These advocates of cowardice and rolling over dead and taking it up the ... well you know.

We are talking about 100k baht.

I have had personal involvement in a lawsuit involving much more than that and am still on amicable terms with the family of the defendant.

My lawyers managed to negotiate a full settlement without even going to court, and i never personally discussed it with the defendant, even when approached. I gave a deadline and once it elapsed i told him it was up to the lawyers now, talk to them.

In essence i removed myself from the proceedings. by avoiding direct confrontation and employing the right collector, i got my money back and no one lost face.

while i think the OP comes off as a vindictive, petty waste of skin little better than a stalker, i am more disgusted by the keep your head down and no one will kill you crew.

I do not have to hide when i am in the loclality, i do not know a police general, and everyone knows that i am not a soft touch, i will, and i did fight back -- for money, not revenge.

Ialso learned not to beleive Bangkok Bank when they tell you, yes sir, no problem, the cheque has been cancelled, payment has been stopped.

My hero, you are.

[ourmaninbangers]

Do you know how easy it is for a Thai national to get a new name & a new identity?

Congrats. Now if you get paid I will be impressed.

any national in truth

[GarryP]

Never read so much rubbish. Get someone to locate her assets, obtain an execution order from the Legal Execution Department and they will then seize her assets. (Legal Execution is the official title and has nothing to do with death sentences) Her property will then be put up for auction, you will receive repayment of the debt from the proceeds of the auction and she will get whatver is left. They will only seize and auction what they feel would be sufficient to bring in enough funds to pay the debt. Assuming she has any assets.

As to whether enforcing the judgement may shorten shorten your life, these kinds of cases are so so common that if that were the case there would be thousands and thousands of people being murdered each year for these types of cases. Rubbish, unless she is an extremely vindictive woman.