Koi Carp

[Thaicoon]

Hi guys, anyone know where in Buriram i can buy good size Koi Carp, talking 10 inches plus, need about 50. was talking to a guy in Buriram and he mentioned somewhere by Big C, 200 baht for One fish, brother in law has been to look but cannot find the place.

Anyone got any info.

[ronthompson]

No idea about buying Koi but I have been giving serious consideration to putting in a Koi pond.

I have a good workman but need someone with the designing knowhow of Koi ponds, i will follow your thread with interest and hope to need Koi in the near future.

[Dave the Dude]

No idea about buying Koi but I have been giving serious consideration to putting in a Koi pond.

I have a good workman but need someone with the designing knowhow of Koi ponds, i will follow your thread with interest and hope to need Koi in the near future.

Hi Thaicoon & Ron

Although not in Buriram, I get Koi Carp from our local market in the Army base here in Surin(Wed&Sat). Usually we have to order large fish (8>12 inches) and they turn up the next market day with them. I pay 150b each(bulk price) and usually buy 6>10 at a time. To date I have had no fatalities or ones with skin diseases.

I am no Koi expert BTW and cannot comment on the quality of the fish, if you are after 'show' specimens. PM if you want a contact phone number for the supplier.

Incidently, I bought a UV filter from Ebay,UK and brought it over with me and built a biological filter box from bits of plumbing stuff and a BigC container box. Seems to work

Dave

[Lost in LOS]

Hi guys, anyone know where in Buriram i can buy good size Koi Carp, talking 10 inches plus, need about 50. was talking to a guy in Buriram and he mentioned somewhere by Big C, 200 baht for One fish, brother in law has been to look but cannot find the place.

Anyone got any info.

dont know where you can get them but I hope you know something about koi. for that many fish you will need a large pond, lots of air and a large filter. I have about 50, have a 30,000 liter pond and a 1000 liter and it still stesses the system. If you are just starting get your pond ready, put a few fish in for a month or two to prime the filter then slowley add more fish. if you dont do it this way you will be replacing fish constantly

[ignis]

cannot comment on the quality of the fish

Sadly most are poor quality, very few places sell Grade 'A' Koi, most people just want to fill there Ponds as cheap as possible. + they do not want the work to care for them.

If you have a Pond of Koi you need at least 2 other containers with air pumps and filters, always put new fish into a differt pond/container 1st for 3 days changing the water every day...... DO use a carbon fresh water filter to fill the Pond/Containers, Do check your fish every day, if you see a odd spot or a fish is acting strange take it out and put in the small pond/container.

Grade A fish are in the thousend of baht, not hundereds, also depends on the markings. Fully frown with 1st class markings sell for around 3.5 - 4 million each!!

From a Fish Farm babies cost 7 baht each, the Grade A cost 50 - 80 bach each for the same size, put them together and you will see the difference straight away.

Bought 2 10" yesterday from the Farm, grade A cost 1,400 each, this was discounted as buy at least 40 at a time every month.

[ignis]

I have a good workman but need someone with the designing knowhow of Koi ponds

More the question is what is your budget and size of pond.?

Just the Filter system can cost 165,000 baht !!

A nice size Koi pond is 6m x 3m x 2m deep.

Now in Thailand is a drain system from Germany with back wash [like in a swimming pool] and cost only 5,000 baht.

Do remember when you build the pond to install a light, the swimming pool [set into the wall side] type cost only 1,400 baht, so real cheap

As for building a pond of this size then from 20 - 70,000 baht

A good idea is to fit a skimmer and well as air jets in the wall at least 2/3 thirds down, how is the filtered water going to be returned to the pond? waterfall? or jets along the side? the ideal pond will have nothing but fish in the pond, it just depends on what you want..

Do check out some of the web sites, there are many on 'how to build a Pond'

[ignis]

It is old but a good web site with loads of Info on building a Koi Pond

http://www.koicymru.co.uk/construct.htm

will give you lots of ideas.....

here in Thailand you will need rebar steel on the bottom and a double skin wall with wire mesh or rebar in between

[TBWG]

Hi guys, anyone know where in Buriram i can buy good size Koi Carp, talking 10 inches plus, need about 50. was talking to a guy in Buriram and he mentioned somewhere by Big C, 200 baht for One fish, brother in law has been to look but cannot find the place.

Anyone got any info.

Hi TC

Hope all is well in UK.

I have a pond about 20m by 10m by 4m. Being a cheap charlie it is the hole I was left with after digging out the soil to raise the land the house is built on. Anyway it retains water all year round at varying levels. I suspect your pond is similar i.e not concrete.

In this I keep Koi, Pla nin and various other infiltrators, all seem to live in harmony without the need for filters, lights etc after all they are carp and love grubbing around in the clay. In fact they are bullies and shove all the pla nin etc out of the way at grub time.

These koi were purchase in the local market for 10 or 20 baht each. Couple of inches long and now after 3 years a foot plus in length. A friend recently built a pond and stocked it with 2-3 inch koi after just 3 months the are now 6 inches + long. Personally i think smaller fish have a much better survival ratio.

Hope this helps and look forward to seeing finished product in due course.

TBWG

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[samtam]

"Koi" means carp in Japanese, so "koi carp" is superfluous, although widely used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koi

[Thaicoon]

Thanks for the Info guys, used to keep koi in the UK, had about 40 fish all over 18 inches had these for years, going to work one morning 5am, most of the fish were scattered around the lawn, all dead, this really p........ me off, as talking a lot of bucks, we had these when they were about 8 inches, spoke to the local wildlife trust, i thought maybe a mink, it was an otter.

the pond,we have concreted part of it, but no filter as yet, TWG, have you a filter, as koi also like mud

http://www.koiphen.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=108

I was thinking maybe just put a waterfall and jets in to circulate the water, not really bothered about the pond been crystal clear. but all your info is making me think, i will give all instructions to the wife as she is flying out in the morning.

also we have dug a 2 rai lake out, but that is for another project in the future.

[TBWG]

Thanks for the Info guys, used to keep koi in the UK, had about 40 fish all over 18 inches had these for years, going to work one morning 5am, most of the fish were scattered around the lawn, all dead, this really p........ me off, as talking a lot of bucks, we had these when they were about 8 inches, spoke to the local wildlife trust, i thought maybe a mink, it was an otter.

the pond,we have concreted part of it, but no filter as yet, TWG, have you a filter, as koi also like mud

http://www.koiphen.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=108

I was thinking maybe just put a waterfall and jets in to circulate the water, not really bothered about the pond been crystal clear. but all your info is making me think, i will give all instructions to the wife as she is flying out in the morning.

also we have dug a 2 rai lake out, but that is for another project in the future.

Hi TC

No filter but thinking of installing a fountain of some sort for oxygenating as necessary.

TBWG

[jaiyenyen]

Can anyone tell me of a good place to buy pond, and Koi supplies in Bangkok, apart from JJ Market?

Thanks

[wackysleet]

Koi as everyone knows are ornamental fish and enthusiasts buy them to admire their colours, and as such you NEED clear water, there is a big difference in keeping koi for this purpose than putting a few in a pond which is primarily used for commercial fish which it appears relies on keeping a constant supply of algae, hence the fact that fertiliser in various forms is used to this end, any real koi enthusiast will tell you what is needed to meet a good koi pond requirement, and yes the Japanese do keep koi in mud ponds for 6months but only to enhance their colours and the only time they are seen is feeding time and when they are being removed, if you cannot see your koi, the expensive ones or the cheapies why have them in the first place, my pond here in the kingdom is 8,000gallons with a through put of water every 45 minutes along with a very good filter system that allows me to keep 100 fish ranging in size from 10inch to 24inch. as for price, you usually get what you pay for as far as quality is concerned but one thing is certain,expensive fish die just as easily as the cheapies so get your system right and learn a bit about filtration if you want clarity my pond is 4feet deep and the fish are clearly visible on the bottom.

[ignis]

Can anyone tell me of a good place to buy pond, and Koi supplies in Bangkok, apart from JJ Market?

Thanks

There are many Farms, but all are at least an hours drive outside of BKK....... West - North West and South West, the main big Fish markets is about 100km south west of BKK.[open 7 days a weeks but the best is to get there in the early hours of Tuesday morning, but VERY busy with all the Traders from BKK and area] also in the same area are 3 smaller ones [markets] and 4 Farms.

JJ Market is very expensive..

The oblong fiberglass ponds they sell the fish from cost 7,000 baht !! anyone can buy from the wholesaller they get them from 1,850 baht.

Good Koi are between 6 - 7,000 baht, same size from the Farms 1,500 - 2,000 etc etc.

[ignis]

If you have Grade A quality Koi, don't buy cheap food, quality food is much better and they will keep their colour.

Temperature is also a factor, so unless you have a deep pond get a heater for the cold weather

[Ifactory]

Unless you are looking at physical growth as the only factor, I doubt if you need a heater for koi at all .

Koi and goldfish are by nature cold water fish and if needed just adjust the feeding if any at all during cold weather.

[wackysleet]

If you have Grade A quality Koi, don't buy cheap food, quality food is much better and they will keep their colour.

Temperature is also a factor, so unless you have a deep pond get a heater for the cold weather

Ignis. Contrary to popular belief you really never want to use cheap food, quality food is the way to go as it is more easily digested and utilised by the koi thus producing less waste which in turn alleviates a lot of work for the filters, bye products of using cheap stuff includes an increase in nitrate and phosphates which are a very good fertiliser for algae, and in case people think that all koi grow to a very large size, they dont, for size you need preferably Japanese or Israeli koi and as a rule of thumb they need feeding apprx 3% of body weight per day to acheive max growth.

[wackysleet]

Unless you are looking at physical growth as the only factor, I doubt if you need a heater for koi at all .

Koi and goldfish are by nature cold water fish and if needed just adjust the feeding if any at all during cold weather.

By the way, in the kingdom a good water depth is about 4ft as it doesn't get cold enough and the fish remain active all year round thus increasing ones pleasure, downside of this is that they need feeding all year round as opposed to the U.K

[Thaicoon]

Unless you are looking at physical growth as the only factor, I doubt if you need a heater for koi at all .

Koi and goldfish are by nature cold water fish and if needed just adjust the feeding if any at all during cold weather.

By the way, in the kingdom a good water depth is about 4ft as it doesn't get cold enough and the fish remain active all year round thus increasing ones pleasure, downside of this is that they need feeding all year round as opposed to the U.K

The Pond we have dug, is about 3 metres deep by 5 metres wide and the length is about 12 metres, we have put a 600 shelf all the way round with a 12 inch depth, laid on this are big sandstone & volcanic boulders, so when we fill with water quarter of the boulder will be in the pool, it will make it all look natural, we have concreted most of it just waiting for a guy from Buriram to come and fit filters etc. i have thought and may leave it for a month or two before putting fish in. let the pond mature.

[Ifactory]

Unless you are looking at physical growth as the only factor, I doubt if you need a heater for koi at all .

Koi and goldfish are by nature cold water fish and if needed just adjust the feeding if any at all during cold weather.

By the way, in the kingdom a good water depth is about 4ft as it doesn't get cold enough and the fish remain active all year round thus increasing ones pleasure, downside of this is that they need feeding all year round as opposed to the U.K

Actually the constant high water temp might be a cause for concern regarding colour development or the possible lack of it.

I cant pinpoint grooming details for Koi yet due to my poor knowledge on the subject but if it doesnt stray too much from goldfish, grooming temperature/season and food not excluding genes of course would preety much determine how the end results be when the fish turns Oya.

[wackysleet]

Unless you are looking at physical growth as the only factor, I doubt if you need a heater for koi at all .

Koi and goldfish are by nature cold water fish and if needed just adjust the feeding if any at all during cold weather.

By the way, in the kingdom a good water depth is about 4ft as it doesn't get cold enough and the fish remain active all year round thus increasing ones pleasure, downside of this is that they need feeding all year round as opposed to the U.K

The Pond we have dug, is about 3 metres deep by 5 metres wide and the length is about 12 metres, we have put a 600 shelf all the way round with a 12 inch depth, laid on this are big sandstone & volcanic boulders, so when we fill with water quarter of the boulder will be in the pool, it will make it all look natural, we have concreted most of it just waiting for a guy from Buriram to come and fit filters etc. i have thought and may leave it for a month or two before putting fish in. let the pond mature.

If you've concreted it and intend to keep koi, might I suggest that you paint the pond, especially any bare areas of cement in any form as this will lead to continual destabilisation of the Ph factor, a figure of 7-5 would be ideal but figures above this are not necessarily harmful {reasonable increase}it's when the figures spike that causes the problems.

[wackysleet]

Unless you are looking at physical growth as the only factor, I doubt if you need a heater for koi at all .

Koi and goldfish are by nature cold water fish and if needed just adjust the feeding if any at all during cold weather.

By the way, in the kingdom a good water depth is about 4ft as it doesn't get cold enough and the fish remain active all year round thus increasing ones pleasure, downside of this is that they need feeding all year round as opposed to the U.K

Actually the constant high water temp might be a cause for concern regarding colour development or the possible lack of it.

I cant pinpoint grooming details for Koi yet due to my poor knowledge on the subject but if it doesnt stray too much from goldfish, grooming temperature/season and food not excluding genes of course would preety much determine how the end results be when the fish turns Oya.

Under certain conditions it could have a detrimental effect on the things you've stated but a pond of 4ft deep with 200litres of air per minute and plenty of other movement is in fact a very good environment, as for colour that is down to a certain degree on the quality of the fish but also to decent nutritious food, amount and of course proper water perametres.

[Thaicoon]

Unless you are looking at physical growth as the only factor, I doubt if you need a heater for koi at all .

Koi and goldfish are by nature cold water fish and if needed just adjust the feeding if any at all during cold weather.

By the way, in the kingdom a good water depth is about 4ft as it doesn't get cold enough and the fish remain active all year round thus increasing ones pleasure, downside of this is that they need feeding all year round as opposed to the U.K

The Pond we have dug, is about 3 metres deep by 5 metres wide and the length is about 12 metres, we have put a 600 shelf all the way round with a 12 inch depth, laid on this are big sandstone & volcanic boulders, so when we fill with water quarter of the boulder will be in the pool, it will make it all look natural, we have concreted most of it just waiting for a guy from Buriram to come and fit filters etc. i have thought and may leave it for a month or two before putting fish in. let the pond mature.

If you've concreted it and intend to keep koi, might I suggest that you paint the pond, especially any bare areas of cement in any form as this will lead to continual destabilisation of the Ph factor, a figure of 7-5 would be ideal but figures above this are not necessarily harmful {reasonable increase}it's when the figures spike that causes the problems.

What sort of paint you sugest, ie same sort of paint that you paint concrete floors?, one thing i have been thinking about, concrete has a certain amount of lime, in the UK there is a product which you put in a new pool to get rid of this, is there any lime in cement in Thailand, as seen lots of concrete pools and the fish seem ok.

[wackysleet]

Thaicoon if your really serious about keeping koi and from a previous post when in the U.K. you are, I paint my pond with Jotun 82 Coal tar paint {black}and it's a two pack paint very easy to use and goes a long way, it also enhances the colour of your koi, as for seeing other ponds in the Kingdom, were they actually dedicated koi ponds or general purpose ones, it's a case of "you pay your money and take your choice"

[Ifactory]

Are there any farms known for producing show grade fish in thailand? I'm pretty sure there would be a fair bit of breeding stock of Japanese lineage , might be a possible chance of getting some decent quality fish from these farms if they maintain a standard of selective breeding.

[wackysleet]

Are there any farms known for producing show grade fish in thailand? I'm pretty sure there would be a fair bit of breeding stock of Japanese lineage , might be a possible chance of getting some decent quality fish from these farms if they maintain a standard of selective breeding.

Ifactory I have a few decent Japanese imports but the best ones are invariably kept in Japan for their own people and unless you go to their annual sales you will not get the best of the best,Ihave asked a friend who is going this year to buy two for me from a breeder who specialises in big fish 75/80cm which I would like for a breeding program, the breeder uses two different lines to breed from, if I can find his name I will PM you ok.

[Ifactory]

Very much appreciated ! You intending to get the jumbo tosai or nisai ?

The all japan koi show 2010 would be held at Tokyo Nigata city on the 5th to 7th Feb !

[ignis]

might I suggest that you paint the pond,

Be sure to use Pond/Swimming Pool paint...

Start with good water, cheap to buy, inline carbon fresh water filter [250 - 300 baht from wholesalers]

Failing that fill your pond and leave for 7 - 12 days before putting any fish in

[ignis]

Are there any farms known for producing show grade fish in thailand? I'm pretty sure there would be a fair bit of breeding stock of Japanese lineage , might be a possible chance of getting some decent quality fish from these farms if they maintain a standard of selective breeding.

Yes there are a few.... nearest to me is one at Bang Yai

[ignis]

japan koi show

Also held just outside BKK every year, towards the end of the show they Auction off 100 Koi every day, there very expensive but there are plenty of buyers, from what I could tell the cheapest sold for 4,000 up to 2.8 million when I was there, the most expensive one sold a few days before I went for 4 million baht !