Sondhi's Son Alleges "gestapo" Behind His Father's Assassination Attempt

[Plus]

That is share given to employee as part of compensation package on top of general income.

Thaksin kids bought the share from his father at 1 Baht. It was was given to his kid as part of a compensation package.

The "kids" are fully grown adults, his son once was listed as the richest Thai.

And don't even start the nonsense like "he bought the share from his father", you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. If you want to educate yourself - look at TV threads for January-February 2006, all the info with references is there. He was a company director and he bought shares from the company, next day he put them up on SET - instant, taxable profit.

Proof it that the spec say so.

I mentioned this case as an example how political meddling can overwrite tech specs. Now you, without any knowldege of the case, demand proof. Are you imlying that it didn't happen and I made it all up? How about you go dig up news articles from 2003-2005 concerning this project. It was extensively covered in Bangkok Post Database. Then you come back and show where I was wrong.

[animatic]

The Gestapo never had 32mg data cards.

They did have the early cypfer encoding machines.

Topic drift mein hein.

[Samuian]

The Truth is that Mr.Thaksin and fellowship is twisting and turning

the truth and with it the minds - the perception of that truth of the

audience!

he made up an entire PR machine which is entirely tuned to whitewash

any of his wrongdoings - it's simple, it's all set to: "politically motivated"!

"they are all against me!"

Whilst he is busy proclaiming his goodwill and well doing?

30 baht scheme?

rubber sapling affair?

OTOP?

The tax free Sale of Shin Corp.?

War against drugs?

Escalating the Southern problem?

Him sleeping in a temple and then sneaking out, hidden in a van?

Stirring up divisions against "the Elite"

Creating fissures in a widely homogeneous society,

which proudly and widely understands itself as

"the free" - Thai as one Nation?

In trying stirring up dissent and mistrust, sowing it at will

across the country, targeting the underprivileged, the nations

rural population?

Is this fair, is this good, or is it simple cheap brinkmanship?

And him insisting on this type of publicity warfare,

he is well on his way to split an entire nation in two camps-

ergo = yellow/red his "opponents vs. followers".

If he can't get it his way, he even goes all the way to call for

"Revolution" claiming he "loves" this country and pleading loyal to....

ah well you know what I mean...

This man only loves "his" money, power, influence, meddling.

So judging this behavior - using just simple common sense...

Is this man honest and is what he has and is doing to this Nation

Good or Bad - Yes or No?

It's very simple, isn't it?

No need for complicated analysis, rules, laws,

some of us did learn all this already in Kindergarten,

didn't we, and got on with these simple rules all of our lives.....

As the honorable Prem said....

So far he couldn't gain anything much from it, only more bad karma!

And the results are written all over the wall....

Edited April 24, 2009 by Samuian

[kurtgruen]

Sondhi to leave hospital Friday

By: BangkokPost.com

Published: 24/04/2009 at 10:20 AM Core leader of People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) Sondhi Limthongkul is scheduled to leave hospital Friday, after gunmen sprayed his car with bullets a week ago.

Mr Sondhi underwent a two-hour operation in Vajira Hospital to repair a skull fracture and remove a blood clot in his brain.

He said he would hold a press conference next week to tell reporters about what happened that morning.

His driver and his aide were still being hospitalised.

[HagenvonTronje]

The Truth is that Mr.Thaksin and fellowship is twisting and turning

the truth and with it the minds - the perception of that truth of the

audience!

he made up an entire PR machine which is entirely tuned to whitewash

any of his wrongdoings - it's simple, it's all set to: "politically motivated"!

...

mhm, the topic is: Sondhi's Son Alleges "gestapo" Behind His Father's Assassination Attempt

he don't blame thaksin but an third power. Jittinart said this "new power group" is putting up military barrier on the outer ring to prevent Thaksin Shinawatr from returning while blocking Premier Abhisit with an inner ring. He said: "The people like us must be united and don't let them hold us hostage."

so now with some psychic abilities, thaksin first shot Sondhi sen. and than make that Sondhi jun. talking something about a GeStaPo and OTOP ? is that what you mean?

all the time thaksin twisting the truth,and everybody in the kindergarden knows this. so what?

did you just play your record in the wrong topic.

it's all off topic and your mantra is faulty. for the south, the death rate grows since thaksin is away. look like the others in charge have also no solution. the rubber sampling culprits are now part of the abhisit government and abhisit brings the army in town to shot at the people, wants that everybody listen to abhisit. and thaksins opponents have been his best buddies before, for a long time. did evil thaksin make them hate him just for the sake to separtae the nation, because he is evil? and strange as it is, for the war on drugs, thaksin was loved by almost the whole population. despite a few NGOs and human rights activist.

widely homogeneous society? but don't mess with the elite in bkkk!

but the tax free shin sale, i never heard that before. know i now more, thanks for that.

[samgrowth]

Who do you think is the reincarnation of Hitler? Thaksin or Sondhi?

[Loaded]

Like many Thailand people, I thought Thaksin (himself) bought the company for 1 Baht. He (Thaksin himself) than sold the company for 76 bn Baht. So he made 75,999,999,999 baht, right.

Since he make so much money, it would note hurt if he pay half of it in tax (37,499,999,999.50 Baht). This will show that he has spirit. This will show that he is sporting. This will show that he love Thailand. There is nothing wrong in paying tax even if you don't have to. It is called "Tam Boon" in Thai.

Tam boon is a personal thing.

regarding his non payment of tax

In Thailand a system of gin muang (eat country) exists. It's existed since Rama 5 appointed provincial governors but didn't pay a salary to them. It allows government employees to compensate themselves for poor salaries from the government by using their position to benefit themselves, family or friends (patronage). It's institutionalized and accepted. the higher you are in the food chain, the more you can take but also the more you must pass down. Banharn in Supanburi is a good example of a politician who understands and uses the gin muang system wisely. In Supan the roads are new without potholes; good hospitals and schools; and flowers everywhere. he's super rich, super corrupt, super slippery and dishonest but the people of Suphan love him. When Thaksin took all the money by changing tax laws to prevent paying tax to the government, this was perceived as breaking the gin muang rules and most Thais became upset at this point (few were bothered about his corruption before this and this is when the yellow shirt movement really took off). Thais don't really care about waste water, airport and firetruck corruption so long as the puu yai passes on some of that money. Thaksin didn't and he's now paying the cost.

[webfact]

Two pickups used in Sondhi assassination bid : police

By The Nation

Published on April 25, 2009

Five to seven men used two pickups in the April 17 assassination attempt on Sondhi Limthongkul, Bangkok police chief LtGeneral Worapong Chewpreecha said yesterday.

This marked the first time a police theory on the number of vehicles used has been put forward. However, the officer did not specify the second vehicle's type. Earlier, police said two gunmen sprayed Sondhi's van with bullets while standing in a black Toyota Vigo pickup.

A dud 40mm grenade shell that hit a bus that was travelling near Sondhi's vehicle at the scene on a Samsen Road section could have been launched by the gunmen from either an M203 rifle or an M79 launcher, he added.

Police are also looking for clues of the gunmen in Kanchanaburi and Lop Buri where they are possibly based and hidng, he said.

A police source, emphasizing on another unsettled theory whether the attempt was meant to kill or merely threaten Sondhi, said the gunmen could have either been untrained shooters, for their salvo shooting even with their intent to kill. They could have been simply skilled assassins who deliberately attempted not to fatally hit Sondhi. The motives behind both cases have not either been analysed or concluded by police.

Meanwhile, Maj General Khattiya Sawasdiphol, an Army weapons expert, said a statement by Army commander General Anupong Paochinda that three spent cartridges found at the scene were from M16 munitions supplied to the 9th Infantry Division in Kanchanaburi was possibly untrue.

He said Armymade munitions supplied exclusively to the Division were usually engraved with serial numbers in the past five years, but there were none found on the three cartridges - his own account which was completely different from news reports.

Police have assigned the Crime Suppression Division to assist the Metropolice Police Bureau in solving the assassiantion case.

Doctors at Chulalongkorn Hospital which was treatning Sondhi said the ASTVManager Daily founder was now allowed to go home.

[brahmburgers]

The police have got to get their evidence gathering act together.

Granted, not long ago, they had a famous police academy graduate, one PM Thaksin, as a their example. Mr. T would get word of a crime, and immediately announce to all news media - exactly what happened. The ensuing facts would nearly always prove T wrong. Nevertheless, current police activities regarding crimes, continue to take its cue from Thaksin's wrongheaded policy of: "speak first, get the facts later."

The attack on Sondhi's car is shaping up like a classroom full of rowdies, all acting up while the teacher is out of the room for a minute. When the teacher comes back in the room, she asks, "ok, I heard a bunch of shouting, who's being bad?" Right on cue, all the kids yell at once, so the teacher has no idea who's saying what. Even when she gets individual kids to speak, their stories vary, so the teacher (us, the public) have no clear idea of what went on.

[Thai at Heart]

Two pickups used in Sondhi assassination bid : police

By The Nation

Published on April 25, 2009

Five to seven men used two pickups in the April 17 assassination attempt on Sondhi Limthongkul, Bangkok police chief LtGeneral Worapong Chewpreecha said yesterday.

This marked the first time a police theory on the number of vehicles used has been put forward. However, the officer did not specify the second vehicle's type. Earlier, police said two gunmen sprayed Sondhi's van with bullets while standing in a black Toyota Vigo pickup.

A dud 40mm grenade shell that hit a bus that was travelling near Sondhi's vehicle at the scene on a Samsen Road section could have been launched by the gunmen from either an M203 rifle or an M79 launcher, he added.

Police are also looking for clues of the gunmen in Kanchanaburi and Lop Buri where they are possibly based and hidng, he said.

A police source, emphasizing on another unsettled theory whether the attempt was meant to kill or merely threaten Sondhi, said the gunmen could have either been untrained shooters, for their salvo shooting even with their intent to kill. They could have been simply skilled assassins who deliberately attempted not to fatally hit Sondhi. The motives behind both cases have not either been analysed or concluded by police.

Meanwhile, Maj General Khattiya Sawasdiphol, an Army weapons expert, said a statement by Army commander General Anupong Paochinda that three spent cartridges found at the scene were from M16 munitions supplied to the 9th Infantry Division in Kanchanaburi was possibly untrue.

He said Armymade munitions supplied exclusively to the Division were usually engraved with serial numbers in the past five years, but there were none found on the three cartridges - his own account which was completely different from news reports.

Police have assigned the Crime Suppression Division to assist the Metropolice Police Bureau in solving the assassiantion case.

Doctors at Chulalongkorn Hospital which was treatning Sondhi said the ASTVManager Daily founder was now allowed to go home.

So nearly 2 weeks after the event we now have two pickups, and a soldier directly challenging the opinion of the army chief. If there is one crying need it is for a dam_n professional police press office. Is there something akin to the National police in this country? I only ask because it is obvious that in serious crimes, leaving it up to the local BIB they don't appear to have a clue. It is astonishing that normally the BIB can round up wrongdoers in cases like this in days, but in this situation, the supposed criminal masterminds have managed to slip out of the centre of a city with over 15mn population under a SOE and no one is any the wiser.

Everyone has an opinion on everything it appears and in true keystone cops fashion they keep bumbling into each other with contradictory statements.

[Pierrot]

Maybe we should give the police a break, blaming the BiB for everything seems to be a favorite past time in TV.

Because the real question is: do politics want the public to know what really happened? When the officer in charge is removed, you can’t really be sure if he’s not making enough or he’s making too much progress

[samgrowth]

Why all these investigation. Just to show that the police is doing something?

Deep down the government has verdit that Thaksin is guilty.

Do you want a link of Kasit linking Thaksin to the murder attemp?

[Thai at Heart]

Maybe we should give the police a break, blaming the BiB for everything seems to be a favorite past time in TV.

Because the real question is: do politics want the public to know what really happened? When the officer in charge is removed, you can’t really be sure if he’s not making enough or he’s making too much progress

I would simply prefer that they got all their ducks in a row before every Tom, Dick and Harry opens his mouth and blathers half truths. I know they habit in Thailand is for them to want to prove that they know what they are doing. I don't know if there is a Thai translation of "No comment", but it is important not only in these types of cases to release known facts rather than half truths.

On a slightly different issue, I noticed that a court last week said that they couldn't prevent the name of a witness being made public. Now there is a law that should be changed tomorrow.

[hammered]

Kanchanaburi and Lopburi? That is going to have certain people squirming.

It is pretty difficult to argue the attempt was just to scare when one of the bullets hit him in the temple. It is also besides the point as it is clearly attempted murder.

[Tony Clifton]

Maybe we should give the police a break, blaming the BiB for everything seems to be a favorite past time in TV.

Because the real question is: do politics want the public to know what really happened? When the officer in charge is removed, you can’t really be sure if he’s not making enough or he’s making too much progress

You apologists never cease to amaze. Below is but a veery short list from memory of what you can discover about the men in brown on Thaivisa only.

They've been blamed for setting up UFUKU, stolen cars they rented from a police station.

One policeman was found guilty to have chopped an arm off a woman on a motorcycle chase after refusing his drunken advances.

Another policeman was found with women in his trunk at the border.

Some were busted for buying a sperm sample from a katoey after the murder (still unsolved) of a female tourist, manipulating evidence to save one of theirs.

One shot a tourist, ran over his wife and added gunfire to the back of her head.

Another shot and killed Leo Del Pinto and injured a woman.

We've mostly all been pulled over by one of them and were asked for tea money.

How many politically inclined armed attacks have happened in Bangkok and remain conveniently unresolved in the last 5 years especially becauses of the BiB's in-your-face manipulation of investigations that go nowhere (Thaksin's fake car bomb, fake assassination attempts, attack at Prem's house, Khunying Pornthip fighting police manipulation of evidence and useless attacks and non-cooperation from their part.

People can copy and paste dozens of other in-your-face shameful examples here.

Still not convinced? here's a nice video for the world with one of them counting money in open air.

Maybe we shouldn't give the police a break but instead, a looong awaited reform.

Edited April 25, 2009 by Tony Clifton

[Thai at Heart]

Maybe we should give the police a break, blaming the BiB for everything seems to be a favorite past time in TV.

Because the real question is: do politics want the public to know what really happened? When the officer in charge is removed, you can’t really be sure if he’s not making enough or he’s making too much progress

You apologists never cease to amaze. Below is but a veery short list from memory of what you can discover about the men in brown on Thaivisa only.

They've been blamed for setting up UFUKU, stolen cars they rented from a police station.

One policeman was found guilty to have chopped an arm off a woman on a motorcycle chase after refusing his drunken advances.

Another policeman was found with women in his trunk at the border.

Some were busted for buying a sperm sample from a katoey after the murder (still unsolved) of a female tourist, manipulating evidence to save one of theirs.

One shot a tourist, ran over his wife and added gunfire to the back of her head.

Another shot and killed Leo Del Pinto and injured a woman.

We've mostly all been pulled over by one of them and were asked for tea money.

How many politically inclined armed attacks have happened in Bangkok and remain conveniently unresolved in the last 5 years especially becauses of the BiB's in-your-face manipulation of investigations that go nowhere (Thaksin's fake car bomb, fake assassination attempts, attack at Prem's house, Khunying Pornthip fighting police manipulation of evidence and useless attacks and non-cooperation from their part.

People can copy and paste dozens of other in-your-face shameful examples here.

Still not convinced? here's a nice video for the world with one of them counting money in open air.

Maybe we shouldn't give the police a break but instead, a looong awaited reform.

Indeed, it does beg the question, would Thailand be more or less lawless without them at all?

[Koo82]

Sondhi is involved in a big game. Someone commented on tv that they shot but did not want to kill him.

Lesson of the day: politics is not a nice game. Some politicians in my areas are almost broke after spending money for elections. They now make money by other means. They join politics wanting their family names to be famous. They and their competitors all bought votes but competitors had proof and they don't. Competitors were in power last time. Now they found proof and competitors will be judged 2 days after this week's election. Competitors said new face is puppet of the old ones.

In the past, a politician was shot at home. Another one shot 6 people but managed to get away with that. Money speaks louder than facts.

[webfact]

@Koo82,

In comparing the writing style/level from some older posts you wrote in this forum with your previous one, I realize you use a more professional writing level rather then 10 days ago.

I have no explanation how your skills could improve to this level in such short time...

Edited April 25, 2009 by webfact

[TAWP]

Sondhi is involved in a big game. Someone commented on tv that they shot but did not want to kill him.

That wouldn't happen to be from 'Propaganda TV''s latest 'News' broadcast would it? (Using the term 'News' loosely here.)

Only an imbecile would believe the attack as meant as anything other than a killing.

We can only count of the lack of professionalism in the country as a reason he isn't.

[Thai at Heart]

Sondhi is involved in a big game. Someone commented on tv that they shot but did not want to kill him.

That wouldn't happen to be from 'Propaganda TV''s latest 'News' broadcast would it? (Using the term 'News' loosely here.)

Only an imbecile would believe the attack as meant as anything other than a killing.

We can only count of the lack of professionalism in the country as a reason he isn't.

A police source, emphasizing on another unsettled theory whether the attempt was meant to kill or merely threaten Sondhi, said the gunmen could have either been untrained shooters, for their salvo shooting even with their intent to kill. They could have been simply skilled assassins who deliberately attempted not to fatally hit Sondhi. The motives behind both cases have not either been analysed or concluded by police.

http://nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/25/nat...al_30101290.php

The moment I saw the story about the shooting with both front and back windows smashed and no damage to the side of the car, I thought it a distinct possibility. He was hit with one bullet that could have been a ricochet. 100 bullets and not one made a clean hit on him. They could have shot him point blank in the head if they had wanted. Or maybe it was just his extremely lucky day.

Edited April 25, 2009 by Thai at Heart

[Samuian]

Sondhi is involved in a big game. Someone commented on tv that they shot but did not want to kill him.

That wouldn't happen to be from 'Propaganda TV''s latest 'News' broadcast would it? (Using the term 'News' loosely here.)

Only an imbecile would believe the attack as meant as anything other than a killing.

We can only count of the lack of professionalism in the country as a reason he isn't.

The VDO of a BiB counting money tells a different story -

think they are very sure about what they doing is pefect -

cause they are so perfect...

realize it with the Junior at my Job...

it's a brain cracker!

How much people can be up their's in this country-

unbef_ck'nlievable!

Know some local BiB's .... very few exceptions....

well, they aren't in the force to prevent crime or take care

of traffic offenses as we all know - so it's an open secret!

[brahmburgers]

Sondhi is involved in a big game. Someone commented on tv that they shot but did not want to kill him.

That wouldn't happen to be from 'Propaganda TV''s latest 'News' broadcast would it? (Using the term 'News' loosely here.)

Only an imbecile would believe the attack as meant as anything other than a killing.

We can only count of the lack of professionalism in the country as a reason he isn't.

A police source, emphasizing on another unsettled theory whether the attempt was meant to kill or merely threaten Sondhi, said the gunmen could have either been untrained shooters, for their salvo shooting even with their intent to kill. They could have been simply skilled assassins who deliberately attempted not to fatally hit Sondhi. The motives behind both cases have not either been analysed or concluded by police.

http://nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/25/nat...al_30101290.php

The moment I saw the story about the shooting with both front and back windows smashed and no damage to the side of the car, I thought it a distinct possibility. He was hit with one bullet that could have been a ricochet. 100 bullets and not one made a clean hit on him. They could have shot him point blank in the head if they had wanted. Or maybe it was just his extremely lucky day.

I tend to agree; that the shooting was meant to intimidate rather than kill. If I intend to kill someone who's sitting in the back of a car, I'm going to shoot consistently at the back window, or wherever that person is sitting. I'm not going to spray bullets all over the side of the car - like an Al Capone movie.

[TAWP]

Sondhi is involved in a big game. Someone commented on tv that they shot but did not want to kill him.

That wouldn't happen to be from 'Propaganda TV''s latest 'News' broadcast would it? (Using the term 'News' loosely here.)

Only an imbecile would believe the attack as meant as anything other than a killing.

We can only count of the lack of professionalism in the country as a reason he isn't.

A police source, emphasizing on another unsettled theory whether the attempt was meant to kill or merely threaten Sondhi, said the gunmen could have either been untrained shooters, for their salvo shooting even with their intent to kill. They could have been simply skilled assassins who deliberately attempted not to fatally hit Sondhi. The motives behind both cases have not either been analysed or concluded by police.

http://nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/25/nat...al_30101290.php

The moment I saw the story about the shooting with both front and back windows smashed and no damage to the side of the car, I thought it a distinct possibility. He was hit with one bullet that could have been a ricochet. 100 bullets and not one made a clean hit on him. They could have shot him point blank in the head if they had wanted. Or maybe it was just his extremely lucky day.

Please provide any source that says the car was hit with 100 bullets.

You are reading too much into the number of shells found.

And it's making you draw incorrect assumptions on the events that took place.

[Thai at Heart]

Please provide any source that says the car was hit with 100 bullets.

You are reading too much into the number of shells found.

And it's making you draw incorrect assumptions on the events that took place.

Well then who were they firing the so called 86 or 100 bullets at for 5 minutes? Are we to believe that they were so incompetent that out of the 80 shots, only a small percentage hit the car from a few yards away. That only enhances the idea that they were scaring him. Just about every man in the country has done national service, so they know more than rudimentally how to fire an army weapon. I have never fired a machine gun but I reckon I could the side of a barn door at 10 yards.

But then for a hit, why would you hire people who can only rudamentally hit something?

The only substantial fact is that they shot his driver in supposedly 5 minutes of firing. It only takes a few seconds to fire in the side window and shoot the back passengers in the head. The vast majority were fired through the windscreen it appeared from pictures, which with engines, car parts, seats and most unfortunately his body guards would deflect and stop a lot of the bullets. Believe me, I saw the hit that went on in Khon Kaen against a foreign accountant up here about 10 years ago. 10 shots into the body of the van from the side and he was gone. But 50 shots into an engine block, and none of them would go through.

With his driver incapacitated I would imagine, someone could have shot cleanly through the side windows and shot him clean. Or did his body guards in the mysterious back up car that no one wants to discuss, fire 80 shots in defence?

[steffi]

Does anybody think he's refering to Chalerm at at all?

[Old Man River]

@Koo82,

In comparing the writing style/level from some older posts you wrote in this forum with your previous one, I realize you use a more professional writing level rather then 10 days ago.

I have no explanation how your skills could improve to this level in such short time...

Good catch.

[Thai at Heart]

Does anybody think he's refering to Chalerm at at all?

As bad guys go, Chalerm is bad, but has he ever been incriminated in a hit? His kids are plonkers, but I can't remember ever hearing of Chalerm directly being involved. Anyone know?

[Koo82]

@Koo82,

In comparing the writing style/level from some older posts you wrote in this forum with your previous one, I realize you use a more professional writing level rather then 10 days ago.

I have no explanation how your skills could improve to this level in such short time...

I remember reading this kind of comment before about another member.

[Koo82]

The guy who brought up the case Khun Samak cooked was safe. Later on he brought up the case Newin hugged Abhisit, he was questioned and was in a little trouble.

Same as in this forum. People have different view with someone are questioned.

[sriracha john]

Does anybody think he's refering to Chalerm at at all?

As bad guys go, Chalerm is bad, but has he ever been incriminated in a hit? His kids are plonkers, but I can't remember ever hearing of Chalerm directly being involved. Anyone know?

He's more like the Harvey Keitel character in the Pulp Fiction movie.

A professional "clean-up man" who comes in after someone else misdeeds and does things like disposing of bodies and ensuring a clean getaway for the perps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulp_Fiction_(film)