Chamlong Claims Abhisit Govt Not In Actual Control

[animatic]

Who is controlling PAD? Sondhi or Chamlong?

I don't believe EITHER are absolute controlers.

They are just the most in your face spokesmen leaders and highest profile.

It is ruddered by a good sized committee and they are larger cogs, but still cogs.

PAD from most observations is NOT just a monolithic thing like the reds try to portray

but a mixture of several movements that came together around Sondhi

and then Chamlong joined up bringing a c quite different demographic with him.

Each has his constituent groups and there are overlaps and other groups with other goals,

seeing PAD as one way to articulate them to a larger audience.

In the same way the un-reconstructed communists are jumping on Thaklsin's bandwagon,

it gets them seen and heard, which is more than they have had in ages.

Edited May 4, 2009 by animatic

[animatic]

I believe some facts are mixed up in this article - zoning rules implemented/amended a few days after the sale allowed a high rise building on that particular site.

Also, participation of two [biggest] property developers who were very close to Thaksin administration rather raises the suspision of collusion than dispells it. It would be very naive they didn't know the identities of other bidding parties.

Besides, in relation to Thaksin the court didn't have to prove the alleged bid rigging - simple fact of his wife's participation was illegal.

Political office holders answer to different set of rules than simple citizens, largely because of the power they have over investigating and prosecuting agencies.

But the issue is that it is the bid rigging that upsets people, not the participation in itself.

Bid rigging with 2 friendly companies with strong TRT connections.

Arrogantly ignoring the laws about family of Pols doing deals with gov. subordinate entities.

The sudden change in zoning right after purchase, raising the value of the property by billions.

If it slithers like a snake it's likely a snake.

Quack.

[chrislarsson]

Just calling it 'Thaksinomics' shows up the utter hubris he was living with.

Attempting to compare himself to Reagan and creating a whole

'new' monetary method named after himself.

no, he didn't, the term thaksinomics was coined by observers not by the system itself. you got that wrong. take a seat.

He heard it, and adopted it for his own use.

He was promoting his own style of economics,

and some pundit branded it for him and he went with it.

In the end it was just a Kleptocracy.

Sounds like there must be an IP violation. Another crime to add to the list.

[chrislarsson]

I believe some facts are mixed up in this article - zoning rules implemented/amended a few days after the sale allowed a high rise building on that particular site.

Also, participation of two [biggest] property developers who were very close to Thaksin administration rather raises the suspision of collusion than dispells it. It would be very naive they didn't know the identities of other bidding parties.

Besides, in relation to Thaksin the court didn't have to prove the alleged bid rigging - simple fact of his wife's participation was illegal.

Political office holders answer to different set of rules than simple citizens, largely because of the power they have over investigating and prosecuting agencies.

But the issue is that it is the bid rigging that upsets people, not the participation in itself.

Bid rigging with 2 friendly companies with strong TRT connections.

Arrogantly ignoring the laws about family of Pols doing deals with gov. subordinate entities.

The sudden change in zoning right after purchase, raising the value of the property by billions.

If it slithers like a snake it's likely a snake.

Quack.

The article says that zoning rules were eased this year, not right after.

"In 1989 the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration ruled that the area near the Thailand Cultural Centre be limited to buildings of no more than nine storeys. That rule was overturned by a new planning act that came into force this year."

Maybe you should try to read the lines as well. Not just between them, where you only see what you want to see anyway.

[animatic]

I believe some facts are mixed up in this article - zoning rules implemented/amended a few days after the sale allowed a high rise building on that particular site.

Also, participation of two [biggest] property developers who were very close to Thaksin administration rather raises the suspision of collusion than dispells it. It would be very naive they didn't know the identities of other bidding parties.

Besides, in relation to Thaksin the court didn't have to prove the alleged bid rigging - simple fact of his wife's participation was illegal.

Political office holders answer to different set of rules than simple citizens, largely because of the power they have over investigating and prosecuting agencies.

But the issue is that it is the bid rigging that upsets people, not the participation in itself.

Bid rigging with 2 friendly companies with strong TRT connections.

Arrogantly ignoring the laws about family of Pols doing deals with gov. subordinate entities.

The sudden change in zoning right after purchase, raising the value of the property by billions.

If it slithers like a snake it's likely a snake.

Quack.

The article says that zoning rules were eased this year, not right after.

"In 1989 the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration ruled that the area near the Thailand Cultural Centre be limited to buildings of no more than nine storeys. That rule was overturned by a new planning act that came into force this year."

Maybe you should try to read the lines as well. Not just between them, where you only see what you want to see anyway.

In terms of building skyscrapers, changing a law then to go into affect now,

is not much of a delay. Your quote says: came into force this year

not when they started to get the law changed, nor got the law actually changed.

Over an above it is typical that numerous articles are not 100% accurate

as many rail on about. Or is Bangkok Post now a 'Newspaper Of Reference'?

Edited May 4, 2009 by animatic

[chrislarsson]

But the issue is that it is the bid rigging that upsets people, not the participation in itself.

Bid rigging with 2 friendly companies with strong TRT connections.

Arrogantly ignoring the laws about family of Pols doing deals with gov. subordinate entities.

The sudden change in zoning right after purchase, raising the value of the property by billions.

If it slithers like a snake it's likely a snake.

Quack.

The article says that zoning rules were eased this year, not right after.

"In 1989 the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration ruled that the area near the Thailand Cultural Centre be limited to buildings of no more than nine storeys. That rule was overturned by a new planning act that came into force this year."

Maybe you should try to read the lines as well. Not just between them, where you only see what you want to see anyway.

In terms of building skyscrapers, changing a law then to go into affect now,

is not much of a delay. Your quote says: came into force this year

not when they started to get the law changed, nor got the law actually changed.

Over an above it is typical that numerous articles are not 100% accurate

as many rail on about. Or is Bangkok Post now a 'Newspaper Of Reference'?

I see...I didn't know that. How do you know that this is the case? 5 years is quite a delay.

[clausewitz]

http://slimdogsworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/...or-defence.html

here is the courtcase in detail. Very enlightening.

[animatic]

I imagine that Thaksin was rather distracted from the land zoning issue

during the last 3 years or so of the last 5 years...

[hammered]

Interesting how so many people want to defend the ethically questionable operations of incredibly rich members of the elite especially when they get found guitly of something.

Maybe spending more time and effort looking at cases involving the oppresion of the ordinary people wouldbe more worthwhile. Few ever get to look at their court cases or in some cases extra-judicial punishments.

Let the obsession with pandering to the rich and powerful classes continue......

[Plus]

Let the obsession with pandering to the rich and powerful classes continue.

Is it become a tellsign of a new generation of Thai lefties?

[hammered]

Let the obsession with pandering to the rich and powerful classes continue.

Is it become a tellsign of a new generation of Thai lefties?

The Thai lefties pretty much all come from the monied classes and nice families. Lots of Thai lefties dont even support Thaksins red gang;). Some can even be found in PAD and close to Newin. Then again this isnt a class struggle as is clear to anyone who spends 5 seconds studying what is happening and notices that the farming and working classes of the south and lower center and east dont support the red team. In fact anyone who spends any time with working class peole per se will realise they are very divided on support for and red and yellow. I dont mean the farmers who do the seasonal stuff but the class that live in urban areas and work 12 months a year in factories etc

Red in this case doesnt equate to left too. LCM51 and most of the feudal warlord mafia organised pro-Thaksin red gangs are as reactionary, bigotted and in favour of the status quo where they remain at top of the exploiter class or get to set up a new exploiter system with them as top dogs as anyone. Still most western liberals or local analysts dont look deep enough for that analysis, which unfortunately is a sign of modern day (lack of) intelectualism.

Anyway rant about the simplistic one shoe fits all/fit the facts to a convenient story analysis that so many apply to Thailand over. Analysis of what is happening in this country has been woeful from both local and outside analysts.