Stockport In Administration

[ThaiPauly]

Stocport County went into administration yesterday.

Their 10 point deduction comes into force immediatley and sends them down the table from 13th to 17th, but because of their vastly superior goal difference the chances of them being relegated on the final day must be a million to one.

Considering this, there will be no further financial hardships for the Hatters, surely if the Southampton situation is set as a standard then that 10 point deduction should have an impact on them. As it stands, it won't

There should be a rider on that saying that if the do not go down then the 10 points should apply to next season. They will still be a three points better off than Carlisle United with a superior GD on the final day of the season Carlisle would need to win 19-0 (against Millwall) whilst Stockport will probably lose to Brighton who are fighting for survival, so Carlisle win 2-0 , Brighton win 2-0 and the GD is -15 for Carlisle sending them down.

I am not a supporter of Southampton or Stockport...or any team starting with the letter S...but it ceratinly seems unfair that Stockport will not be penalaised as Southampton have

What do you think?

[StevieH]

does sound like double standards TP. the league kind of makes this stuff up as it goes along. 30 points for luton, 10 for saints, not nearly enough for dirty leeds. . . .i wonder if it could get legal now. southampton would have a case for appealing against the league ruling in a court of law based on this stockport thing.

[highchol]

does sound like double standards TP. the league kind of makes this stuff up as it goes along.

westham!!!

[MSingh]

does sound like double standards TP. the league kind of makes this stuff up as it goes along.

westham!!!

For the record, we paid the biggest Fine EVER imposed on a Football Club after we got found Guilty, & that's a fact..

What about the Front Wheel's with the Sugar debaucle then ???

[highchol]

does sound like double standards TP. the league kind of makes this stuff up as it goes along.

westham!!!

For the record, we paid the biggest Fine EVER imposed on a Football Club after we got found Guilty, & that's a fact..

What about the Front Wheel's with the Sugar debaucle then ???

a points deduction would have been cost more!!

[Chaimai]

I am not a supporter of Southampton or Stockport...or any team starting with the letter S...but it ceratinly seems unfair that Stockport will not be penalaised as Southampton have

What do you think?

Stockport were penalised under the same rule as Southampton - that IS fair.

The fact that Southampton were more sh!te than Stockport and would have been relegated anyway is purely a matter of performance over the course of the season. Just because a 'good' team doesn't get relegated because of the 10 point penalty is irrelevant - it is a penalty applied specifically in the instances of Administration. I really cannot remember but Stockport must be the first time that has NOT been really affected by the penalty.

[MSingh]

does sound like double standards TP. the league kind of makes this stuff up as it goes along.

westham!!!

For the record, we paid the biggest Fine EVER imposed on a Football Club after we got found Guilty, & that's a fact..

What about the Front Wheel's with the Sugar debaucle then ???

a points deduction would have been cost more!!

Depending on how many it would maybe but that' not the Rules of our particular case is it ??

So what about the Sugar debaucle then or are staying tight lipped on that ??

[ThaiPauly]

I am not a supporter of Southampton or Stockport...or any team starting with the letter S...but it ceratinly seems unfair that Stockport will not be penalaised as Southampton have

What do you think?

Stockport were penalised under the same rule as Southampton - that IS fair.

The fact that Southampton were more sh!te than Stockport and would have been relegated anyway is purely a matter of performance over the course of the season. Just because a 'good' team doesn't get relegated because of the 10 point penalty is irrelevant - it is a penalty applied specifically in the instances of Administration. I really cannot remember but Stockport must be the first time that has NOT been really affected by the penalty.

Have to disagree with you here mate..

I don't think its fair, fair would be for Southampton to have lost the ten points this season irrespective of if it sent them down or not.

Thats the rule thats been applied to Stockport.

[toasted]

I think point deductions are unfair. If a club goes into administration, punish the owners, not the fans.

However, deductions for using unregistered players is different, as the team may have gained an advantage. But the relevant people at the club should also be punished.

[sumrit]

I can't remember the exact details but I seem to remember that Leeds (like Stockport have) went into administration towards the end of the season when the ten point reduction wouldn't affect them, although in their case it was because they were already down. When the league realised this they were punished again with the points reduction starting the following season. There might well have been more to it than that, and I'm sure somebody here will enlighten us, but I think that was basicly what happened. Maybe the same will happen to Stockport.

[sanmiguel]

I think point deductions are unfair. If a club goes into administration, punish the owners, not the fans.

Agreed if a team goes into administration i cant see why the current oweners/directors cant have the club sold from under them, or banned by the FA from running/owning a football club for so many years

Look at Leeds when Ken Bates done this, he potentially put companies that they owed out of business, then rids the club of all its debt and still owns the club but now its a far more attractive business to own as its debt free.

Im sure Leeds fans would have been delighted to get rid of him.

RE Stockport i believe this 10 points will be rolled over to next year if it doesnt relegate them this, this is what would have happened to Soton.

[ThaiPauly]

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RE Stockport i believe this 10 points will be rolled over to next year if it doesnt relegate them this, this is what would have happened to Soton.

Where did you get this from Sanmiguel?

Thats not what it says on Sky Sports, just says THIS SEASON, nothing about it being carried over if they avoid relegation.

If you know something I don't I then I appologise in advance

[sanmiguel]

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RE Stockport i believe this 10 points will be rolled over to next year if it doesnt relegate them this, this is what would have happened to Soton.

Where did you get this from Sanmiguel?

Thats not what it says on Sky Sports, just says THIS SEASON, nothing about it being carried over if they avoid relegation.

If you know something I don't I then I appologise in advance

Im just basing it on Soton last week, they said if it didnt affect them this season it would be taken off next season, that for sure.

But i'm wrong because on the Stockport site it says it wont affect the 09/10 season.

http://www.stockportcounty.com/page/Latest...1644479,00.html

Surely its got to be one rule for all clubs, this is just a complete joke, all the FA should be sacked for such incompetence and making a mockery of the league, basically whoever gets relegated has been playing against a Stockport team which they couldnt afford.

Heres a good article i found on newsnow.co.uk

http://bullsnews.blogspot.com/2009/04/fls-...ng-is-joke.html

Far play to Stockport fans though, i bet theyre chuffed to bits this punishment is meaningless unless they lose 15 - 0.

[technocracy]

Well as far as I understand the rules for the punishment shouldn't take effect until next season - however as that message on the Stockport website says the punishment is dependant on if they come out of admin correctly - if they don't then they start next season on -10. The rules about when the punishments are enforced were changed after the cheating 'spit' scum Leeds purposely went into administration when they were safe so it didn't effect them the following season, the FA then bought in the rule that there is cut off point when if club goes into admin the punishment is enforced the following season.

As for Southampton as far as I am aware due to the timing of the 'company' owning in the club going into admin they were given the punishment that if they survived this season they'd get -10 this season and relegated or if they didn't survive they start next season on -10. Basically they tried to twist the laws to avoid the punishment so unfortunately in my opinion the punishment fits the crime.

[sanmiguel]

Well as far as I understand the rules for the punishment shouldn't take effect until next season - however as that message on the Stockport website says the punishment is dependant on if they come out of admin correctly - if they don't then they start next season on -10. The rules about when the punishments are enforced were changed after the cheating 'spit' scum Leeds purposely went into administration when they were safe so it didn't effect them the following season, the FA then bought in the rule that there is cut off point when if club goes into admin the punishment is enforced the following season.

As for Southampton as far as I am aware due to the timing of the 'company' owning in the club going into admin they were given the punishment that if they survived this season they'd get -10 this season and relegated or if they didn't survive they start next season on -10. Basically they tried to twist the laws to avoid the punishment so unfortunately in my opinion the punishment fits the crime.

From what i can make out of that link they get a 10 point deducation this season, but if they dont come out of administration they get another 10 points next season. (but why were Bmouth and Luton deducted 20 and 30 points.)

But its a pointless exercise deducting a club 10 points when they are safe, a bit too much of a coincidence these clubs go into administration when they do.

Just automatically relegate the club at the end of the season in place of whatever team finished top of the bottom teams and ban board members who caused the administration, otherwise they arent being punished and it encourages clubs to put local companies out of business.

Edited May 1, 2009 by sanmiguel