Prem International School

[Throatwobbler]

From my own dealings with Prem I would say that they are overpriced and very over hyped by some people on this forum.

[LJW]

Hi

A friend of my daughters graduated last year. Apparently the highest grade was 37 (out of a possible 45) and 8 students failed the Diploma. Some students get into reasonable unis but a lot go to local Thai unis or alternative study.

I think it depends on the year how the results are. I believe student numbers are down at Prem and falling and 6 staff were "let go" last year due to continuing falling numbers and cost cutting.

In my 20 years of teaching in many schools in Thailand, I have never administered a test that was graded fairly. I never believe that grades equal any relation to student's abilities...

Edited August 29, 2010 by LJW

[Firelily]

LJW - IB tests are not administered by Thais. They are actually high standard, professional tests that were checked for validity and reliability. They are also marked abroad and double checked. Eventual exam results also consider marks awarded for coursework so it is not down to one good day or bad day of taking exams - and even samples of coursework are collected from all over the world to make sure it is possible to adjust marks given by teachers in different schools in different countries. The requirements and the scoring criteria are very clear and there are no surprises. It is impossible to be 100% accurate with any scores anywhere, but the IB are working very hard to make their results valid and reliable.

I was an IB student myself and taught in a school with an IB program (though not in the program itself). Our average score was 37, not the highest!! So, if that is really true, I don't understand the hype about Prem.....

[Loom]

In my 20 years of teaching in many schools in Thailand, I have never administered a test that was graded fairly. I never believe that grades equal any relation to student's abilities...

Did universities drop standardized test results from admission criteria? I don't think so and don't think that most educators think that these tests are unfairly graded. I suspect that universities do pay attention to test scores during the admission process. Even Prem tests incoming students. Do they ignore the scores and instead just have a hunch about a student's ability. Doubt it....

Grades may or may not relate to abilities and in some cases a student's strength may be test taking at the expense of creative thinking. But for basic literacy and math skills, I suspect that relative test results are indicative and that's why some emphasis is placed on test results for school admission.

I'd like to see Prem's IB scores compared to the average global IB scores.

Edited August 29, 2010 by Loom

[LJW]

In my 20 years of teaching in many schools in Thailand, I have never administered a test that was graded fairly. I never believe that grades equal any relation to student's abilities...

Did universities drop standardized test results from admission criteria? I don't think so and don't think that most educators think that these tests are unfairly graded. I suspect that universities do pay attention to test scores during the admission process. Even Prem tests incoming students. Do they ignore the scores and instead just have a hunch about a student's ability. Doubt it....

Grades may or may not relate to abilities and in some cases a student's strength may be test taking at the expense of creative thinking. But for basic literacy and math skills, I suspect that relative test results are indicative and that's why some emphasis is placed on test results for school admission.

I'd like to see Prem's IB scores compared to the average global IB scores.

A lot of 'I think', and I am here to tell you that basically, in regards to testing students, you are wrong.

I am one of those 'educators' that says that the testing is the way it is simply because you (and many others) simply don't know the real truth.

Edited August 29, 2010 by LJW

[Firelily]

Real truth? whoa, master, please share!

[CMX]

There are so many missing questions and missing answers here that the mid boggles.

Certainly, even if one accepts the curriculum as being worthwhile, we have NO information (as pointed out) how PREM's results over those years that are fairly comparable to other schools/ nations/ total averages stack up. Thus, there is from that claim NO useful information (except the 37). Where do Prem's kids' stack up?

One thing we know about Prem's school is that the students, by and large, have parents who have money. This is in many societies an indication of likely success, so Prem has an advantage, perhaps. However, we have no information how pupils or their parents fit WITHIN that general grouping, insofar as it applies to success – that is, how do students from schools as expensive as PREM score with this same test?

A curriculum is one thing. It seems to be the consensus here that if the curriculum is good, the outcomes are going to be good, particularly given the source of Prem's income. But easily as important these days are teaching strategies, those which permit students to learn best. This is a can of worms in an international school, as pupils will enter with different learning experiences, but an International Visitation by any of half a dozen outfits could give some degree of assurance about the worth of what boils down to being the expertise of the teachers (and more importantly, their leaders). Teaching has moved from being an art into a science, some reliable (at last) research about what works (NOT fads). But such an inquiry must not be done by a tame dog, of which there are many; only a parents' group, divorced from school leadership, should select.

Those statements about "placing" students in universities and junior colleges are too vague to be if use, as they in no way make clear which places of higher learning or how difficult they are to enter. If, within two year period, 90 students graduate, it should not be difficult to present (with complete privacy from the point of view of students), an accurate representation, or even the raw data of a list, about acceptances – to which schools. As it is easy to accomplish, one can draw some conclusions if it is not. (Incidentally, those junior colleges in the United States are less costly – and quite easy to enter, these days very easy indeed). In any case, from such a list, parents would have hold of something encouraging – or whatever – for their money.

A sore point for many here has to do with the costs of the school, and where the money goes. It is not a "government" school, and any such institution that does not publish a complete accounting is within its rights, we might suppose (whereas where I come from "government" school budgets are a matter of public record). But why would I, as a parent, wish to be milked as a cash cow without seeing the books? Where are the numbers to justify such costs? Activities will be waved under my nose, and probably the children will like them too, which is wonderful. But, if it is true that staff is not greatly rewarded financially and assuming that general labor costs are not huge ....

Yes, there certainly are many unanswered questions and many questions unasked. Good will will work them out.

Edited August 29, 2010 by CMX

[Loom]

A lot of 'I think', and I am here to tell you that basically, in regards to testing students, you are wrong.

I am one of those 'educators' that says that the testing is the way it is simply because you (and many others) simply don't know the real truth.

What's the "real truth"? All the tests you have administered have been graded unfairly and, extrapolating that, all other tests are graded unfairly. Therefore testing is useless? What criteria would you use to assess a student's abilities then?

[chaoyang]

But why would I, as a parent, wish to be milked as a cash cow without seeing the books? Where are the numbers to justify such costs?

Of the international schools in Chiang Mai:

Lanna (for profit)

Nakornpayap (for profit)

Prem (for profit)

APIS (for profit)

CMIS (Christian foundation)

Grace (fundamentalist Christian foundation)

I am quite sure Lanna and Nakornpayap are making money, while APIS and Prem may or may not be due to their high boarding school and other costs.

CMIS likely makes a big operational profit, but that might be folded into its parent/owner, Church of Christ in Thailand (CCT), which also holds the license on Payap University and Prince's Royal College, as well as McCormack Hospital. CCT is a huge power/profit point for those in control.

Interesting that that Prem is now going by PTIS -- I suspect to de-emphasize its namesake after the Yellow/Red conflicts of recent years. I could not find the name "Prem" anywhere on the several of its webpages I just visited. When it was called Trihos, the place was clearly a real estate scheme, but that failed, and they decided to go up market with off-the-shelf IB curriculum, ambitious goals and hyper-marketing. Always struck me as a place whose attempted reach exceeded its grasp.

[lannarebirth]

But why would I, as a parent, wish to be milked as a cash cow without seeing the books? Where are the numbers to justify such costs?

Of the international schools in Chiang Mai:

Lanna (for profit)

Nakornpayap (for profit)

Prem (for profit)

APIS (for profit)

CMIS (Christian foundation)

Grace (fundamentalist Christian foundation)

I am quite sure Lanna and Nakornpayap are making money, while APIS and Prem may or may not be due to their high boarding school and other costs.

CMIS likely makes a big operational profit, but that might be folded into its parent/owner, Church of Christ in Thailand (CCT), which also holds the license on Payap University and Prince's Royal College, as well as McCormack Hospital. CCT is a huge power/profit point for those in control.

Interesting that that Prem is now going by PTIS -- I suspect to de-emphasize its namesake after the Yellow/Red conflicts of recent years. I could not find the name "Prem" anywhere on the several of its webpages I just visited. When it was called Trihos, the place was clearly a real estate scheme, but that failed, and they decided to go up market with off-the-shelf IB curriculum, ambitious goals and hyper-marketing. Always struck me as a place whose attempted reach exceeded its grasp.

If you drive by the campus, you will see it is "Traidhos" again. It's ironic, because if Thai folks can afford to send their kids to Prem, it is because the grandparents worked hard. Seldom is it because their children worked hard.

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Of course I think they still have a large student body of children whose parents suck off of various government and UN teats.

Edited August 30, 2010 by lannarebirth

[ricardofel]

Is school related to Prem T., the privy councilor?

If so, what will happen if he passes away given that he is into his 80's and has no children or well known relatives?

In Thailand, when the head goes the organization whether it be a restaurant or big business, often faults..and can deteriorate rapidly. Corruption becomes rampant when at all possible in this country.

Check the backers and shareholders...nothing remains good all of the time, as the buddhist say.

The school formally known as PREM is no longer named Prem....... for purely political reasons. It is now known as PTIS and that will probably change if not already. Notice the new signs PTIS. They have been working on the name change for many months.

[Bill97]

Is school related to Prem T., the privy councilor?

If so, what will happen if he passes away given that he is into his 80's and has no children or well known relatives?

In Thailand, when the head goes the organization whether it be a restaurant or big business, often faults..and can deteriorate rapidly. Corruption becomes rampant when at all possible in this country.

Check the backers and shareholders...nothing remains good all of the time, as the buddhist say.

The school formally known as PREM is no longer named Prem....... for purely political reasons. It is now known as PTIS and that will probably change if not already. Notice the new signs PTIS. They have been working on the name change for many months.

Yes many months on the name change and the colors change and next the uniform change if they can manage it. When they get over the window dressing they may, just may, get down to improving the academics which is the only thing that will turn the place around. Don't hold your breath.

[Throatwobbler]

Getting back to Prem as an education facility. What I have found with them is that they only care about the best students. I have taught privately some students from Prem who tell me that they get no attention from the teachers. Early into the IB course the teacher identify their beat students and all the teachers attention goes to them. The rest are left to fend for themselves. If I was a parent and paying as much as Prem asks I would be expecting all the help my child needs, and would not expect to have to send my child out for extra tuition because they are not getting it at my school. Any teacher who only concentrates on the best kids and ignores the others is not in my eyes any teacher worth their salt. Anybody can teach smart kids. It's how you deal with the others which makes a good teacher.

Also there is also a massive gap in what Prem teaches you before the IB course starts and the IB itself.

Prem is very over rated and very expensive for what it offers your kids.

Edited August 31, 2010 by Throatwobbler

[CMX]

Would it not be fair to posit that Prem, PTIS, is without doubt the most expensive school in the area and probably the least mediocre, when schools are evaluated on an international scale?

[chaoyang]

Would it not be fair to posit that Prem, PTIS, is without doubt the most expensive school in the area and probably the least mediocre, when schools are evaluated on an international scale?

No that would not be fair. I truly doubt it is actually better than CMIS and Nakornpayap (and, yes Grace), but it has wrapped itself in high-sounding educational mumbo-jumbo that is nothing more than the jargon one finds in industry -- specific to the field and often obscure to the average layman. But just because they spout a bunch of British jargon doesn't mean the day-to-day education is any better. Form the outset Tridhis/Prem/PTIS has been a grandiose effort to gain profit and prestige. Good education for normal kids is not the primary objective.

[Ricardo]

Getting back to Prem as an education facility. What I have found with them is that they only care about the best students. I have taught privately some students from Prem who tell me that they get no attention from the teachers. Early into the IB course the teacher identify their beat students and all the teachers attention goes to them. The rest are left to fend for themselves.

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I can only say that, in the cases of both my own kids, this has not been the case. One needed reading-support, and got two terms of one-on-one hourly-support by a specialist remedial-teacher and at no extra charge. The other needed some maths-support and got extra lessons after-school, in a small group, for two terms.

Prem has so far fully lived-up-to what I would expect, from a good school anywhere, just my own experience.

No that would not be fair. I truly doubt it is actually better than CMIS and Nakornpayap (and, yes Grace), but it has wrapped itself in high-sounding educational mumbo-jumbo that is nothing more than the jargon one finds in industry -- specific to the field and often obscure to the average layman. But just because they spout a bunch of British jargon doesn't mean the day-to-day education is any better. Form the outset Tridhis/Prem/PTIS has been a grandiose effort to gain profit and prestige. Good education for normal kids is not the primary objective.

"a bunch of British jargon".

The IB-system is of course based in Switzerland, not the UK, gods-forbid that I would pay more, in order to get merely a British-education for my kids !

CMIS was my second-choice, six years ago, but did not have space to take my children, and I'd also question the sports-facilities, until they move to their rumoured new-location at Payap.

Lastly I have never heard, from any of the Prem-teachers, that they consider themselves to be underpaid, either by local or by international-standards. Certainly the school claims to recruit international-standard qualified-teachers via overseas job-fairs, and to reward them properly, one can only hope that all the other international-schools here also live-up to this standard.

[chrissylcp]

Hello,

Sorry about the late reply but have only just seen your post.

We moved here from the UK two years ago and after several visits opted for Lanna International School for our two boys, now aged 10 and 13. It has proved an extremely good choice.

Lanna is the only school that I know of here which operates according to the British system. You don't say where you're from but for us this meant continuity. More importantly though, the standard of teaching is extremely high.

In terms of facilities, Lanna doesn't compete that well with some of the larger, more expensive schools........but in my opinion and that of my husband who is an experienced teacher himself.....the teaching staff are skilled, committed, and also, unlike a lot of other schools, pretty consistant......many have been there several years.

Both of my kids are quite able and did well in school in the UK. However, we have noticed a marked improvement in both of them.....both in subjects they already did pretty well in......and also in other subjects in which they were not so strong. My eldest who is very capable academically but was extremely shy, always last to be picked for sports teams etc......has gained hugely in confidence and self esteem.....has been picked for the football and swimming team.....and the school play.....as well as acchieving higher grades in core subjects than in the UK. My younger son, less naturally academic.....has developed a real passion for reading, history and learning Thai.....due to the quality of teaching here. Small class sizes and well as outstanding teachers and a school ethos to be proud of......have made a real difference to our childrens education and future prospects.

We can't speak highly enough of this school and I'm happy to be contacted privately if you want more detailed information. The school website is at http://www.lannaist.ac.th/

Do get in touch with me at [email protected] if you want to chat further about te school or any other aspect of relocating here. Lots of people were very helpful to us so I'm keen to offer something to newcomers.

[chaoyang]

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Widely discussed by those who are interested: The facts about how many students actually take and complete the IB program at Prem. Those who do not are offered a British IGCSE certificate.

According to the IB website the program began at the International School of Geneva, which itself was founded in the1920s for children of diplomats at the "League of Nations and the International Labour Office". Please note the British spelling.

Whatever it came from, the IB is full of no doubt lofty, but snobbish, mumbo-jumbo. Perfect to appeal to bigface rich kids. The whole thing is incredibly pompous and perhaps only tangentially relevant to whether a kid gets a good education.

[Bill97]

Certainly the school claims to recruit international-standard qualified-teachers via overseas job-fairs.....

The key word above is "claims". I suppose one might accept that sentence as true but it is misleading. The implication is that it applies to all their teachers which is factually not correct.

The dialogue from and about Prem is tricky because so much is slanted to make the school sound like it is something better than it is.

Another example is that 50% of their graduates got accepted at top foreign universities last year but in truth it was 50% of the students going to foreign universities which does not include those not going to "universities" and those going to Thai universities in the statistic. So it is not 50% of the students but something less, and how much less requires more digging for facts.

[Loom]

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Widely discussed by those who are interested: The facts about how many students actually take and complete the IB program at Prem. Those who do not are offered a British IGCSE certificate.

According to the IB website the program began at the International School of Geneva, which itself was founded in the1920s for children of diplomats at the "League of Nations and the International Labour Office". Please note the British spelling.

Whatever it came from, the IB is full of no doubt lofty, but snobbish, mumbo-jumbo. Perfect to appeal to bigface rich kids. The whole thing is incredibly pompous and perhaps only tangentially relevant to whether a kid gets a good education.

[Loom]

I was pretty impressed looking at results on lanna's web site. It really makes the prem website look a bit pale by comparison.

In Singapore three intl schools kept coming up when talking to expats who had already done some shopping. The IB school admissions people were very arrogant and offered no explanation why their school seemed to stack up well by comparison.

I ended up sending my kid to the school where I got the best sense for the quality of people, among other factors/

[Ricardo]

Certainly the school claims to recruit international-standard qualified-teachers via overseas job-fairs.....

The key word above is "claims". I suppose one might accept that sentence as true but it is misleading. The implication is that it applies to all their teachers which is factually not correct.

The dialogue from and about Prem is tricky because so much is slanted to make the school sound like it is something better than it is.

I'm sorry you find my post is misleading, it is not my intention to slant things or mislead people, just to get more information into the thread, so that people reading it can get a balanced range of opinion, before making up their own minds about Prem. I trust you accept that I'm not on the Prem payroll, or part of their management-team, or trying to 'con' people into thinking it's better than it is.

I would also assume that you're not counting 1-year-interns, working at Prem to gain hands-on experience as part of their degree-courses, or locally-recruited classroom-assistants (especially in the Junior-School), amongst the fully-qualified international teaching-staff, who might be recruited via job-fairs.

The school web-site gives fairly-full details of the teaching-staff, their qualifications & experience, and clearly differentiates them from the interns and classroom-assistants, as one would expect. It might be worth further study, by any prospective parents, who are considering Prem and want to see the quality of the staff there.

Perhaps you yourself might help further, by saying what you feel the true facts are, or what your own experience of the school might be ? Rather than just saying something is "factually not correct" ?

I would agree with many others (posters & parents of students) that Prem is relatively-expensive, compared to other local international-schools, and would expect (and make allowance for) the natural bias towards accentuating the positive, which I would expect from any properly-marketed business in any industry, not just amongst most local schools. I don't regard this as duplicity, just normal business-practice.

Edited September 2, 2010 by Ricardo

[Loom]

Very few schools claim to be a prestigious place where students enjoy the clean air. Without factual backup for both of these claims I would question the credibility of management, if not wonder how many issues are taught in class without factual basis.

I really would not want my kid to think it's right to make such statements.

Companies I would assess the same way. If they tell too many lies they will destroy their own credibility.

[Ricardo]

Another example is that 50% of their graduates got accepted at top foreign universities last year but in truth it was 50% of the students going to foreign universities which does not include those not going to "universities" and those going to Thai universities in the statistic. So it is not 50% of the students but something less, and how much less requires more digging for facts.

The latest edition of 'Prem Quarterly', volume 2 issue 4 available on-line at the PTIS web-site, appears to agree with you, and says "Of those students not staying in Thailand, 50% were offered places in universities ranked in the world's top fifty universities". So perhaps you would now accept that they're not making an exaggerated-claim after all ?

Very few schools claim to be a prestigious place where students enjoy the clean air. Without factual backup for both of these claims I would question the credibility of management, if not wonder how many issues are taught in class without factual basis.

I really would not want my kid to think it's right to make such statements.

Companies I would assess the same way. If they tell too many lies they will destroy their own credibility.

"where students enjoy the clean air"

I would agree that, while we all enjoy Chiang Mai and its surrounds for their natural-beauty & attractions, for March or April every year, it would be wrong to describe the air in Chiang Mai as "clean". Please could you show me where Prem currently make this claim, on their web-site for example ?

In fact we parents know that Prem are very concerned about the annual pollution-problem up here. They brief us exhaustively by email every year, concerning the air-quality readings, and try to use the smog to teach the importance of environmental-awareness to their students. Quite right too !

Also I would suggest that it is rather a big jump, from a couple of (possible) exaggerations by management in some marketing 'blurb', to drawing the conclusion that any/many "issues are taught in class without factual basis". That is IMO a very serious allegation to make, against both the school in general, and the professional integrity of a lot of qualified experienced teachers.

Edited September 2, 2010 by Ricardo

[Loom]

Another example is that 50% of their graduates got accepted at top foreign universities last year but in truth it was 50% of the students going to foreign universities which does not include those not going to "universities" and those going to Thai universities in the statistic. So it is not 50% of the students but something less, and how much less requires more digging for facts.

The latest edition of 'Prem Quarterly', volume 2 issue 4 available on-line at the PTIS web-site, appears to agree with you, and says "Of those students not staying in Thailand, 50% were offered places in universities ranked in the world's top fifty universities". So perhaps you would now accept that they're not making an exaggerated-claim after all ?

Very few schools claim to be a prestigious place where students enjoy the clean air. Without factual backup for both of these claims I would question the credibility of management, if not wonder how many issues are taught in class without factual basis.

I really would not want my kid to think it's right to make such statements.

Companies I would assess the same way. If they tell too many lies they will destroy their own credibility.

"where students enjoy the clean air"

I would agree that, while we all enjoy Chiang Mai and its surrounds for their natural-beauty & attractions, for March or April every year, it would be wrong to describe the air in Chiang Mai as "clean". Please could you show me where Prem currently make this claim, on their web-site for example ?

In fact we parents know that Prem are very concerned about the annual pollution-problem up here. They brief us exhaustively by email every year, concerning the air-quality readings, and try to use the smog to teach the importance of environmental-awareness to their students. Quite right too !

Also I would suggest that it is rather a big jump, from a couple of (possible) exaggerations by management in some marketing 'blurb', to drawing the conclusion that any/many "issues are taught in class without factual basis". That is IMO a very serious allegation to make, against both the school in general, and the professional integrity of a lot of qualified experienced teachers.

[Loom]

Admissions prospectus intro for the clean air comment. Why doesn't the school admit the very serious health hazard and declare a holiday during march and half of April?

The untruths come from the top. The standards may or may not trickle down. I've seen a bit of corporAte fraud over time. This would be a red flag in my book. They are clearly bs ing you in published comment. You have to wonder how far it goes especially if I were dishing out the dough.

For you these may be marketing blurbs but for me comments that have no basis in fact.

[Ricardo]

Admissions prospectus intro for the clean air comment. Why doesn't the school admit the very serious health hazard and declare a holiday during march and half of April?

The untruths come from the top. The standards may or may not trickle down. I've seen a bit of corporAte fraud over time. This would be a red flag in my book. They are clearly bs ing you in published comment. You have to wonder how far it goes especially if I were dishing out the dough.

For you these may be marketing blurbs but for me comments that have no basis in fact.

Thanks for the source. :jap:

Why don't all the international-schools close, or all the hotels & tourist-businesses, too ? Perhaps because we all just make the best, of the smoky-season, which affects everyone up here. This isn't just a Prem-problem, I think.

[Bill97]

Admissions prospectus intro for the clean air comment. Why doesn't the school admit the very serious health hazard and declare a holiday during march and half of April?

The untruths come from the top. The standards may or may not trickle down. I've seen a bit of corporAte fraud over time. This would be a red flag in my book. They are clearly bs ing you in published comment. You have to wonder how far it goes especially if I were dishing out the dough.

For you these may be marketing blurbs but for me comments that have no basis in fact.

Thanks for the source. :jap:

Why don't all the international-schools close, or all the hotels & tourist-businesses, too ? Perhaps because we all just make the best, of the smoky-season, which affects everyone up here. This isn't just a Prem-problem, I think.

Of course it is not just a Prem problem but it is a Prem problem if they deny it, try to cover it up or claim something untrue about it, isn't it? Doesn't their website statement raise a flag or do you find it to be standard acceptable business practice? Is it the kind of thing you want to have taught to your child in high school? Is it the kind of thinking and response that you find pleasing in your child?

[Loom]

Yes, but schools normally have weeks/months of holiday and why not rescedule holiday to coincide with burning season. Only short term solution for the problem.

By the way, does the school do blood testing for drugs?

[Cirrus]

You are right that they have changed their name and probably because of the political problems that have gone on for years. These problems will still remain in Thailand for the next few years. Maybe they should have bought a franchise name from England like so many schools do and then have a percentage of the school profits revert to the franchise owner in the UK. Some bloggers would complain about that as well. I think your last statement about sucking should be deleted, not true and not appropriate.

But why would I, as a parent, wish to be milked as a cash cow without seeing the books? Where are the numbers to justify such costs?

Of the international schools in Chiang Mai:

Lanna (for profit)

Nakornpayap (for profit)

Prem (for profit)

APIS (for profit)

CMIS (Christian foundation)

Grace (fundamentalist Christian foundation)

I am quite sure Lanna and Nakornpayap are making money, while APIS and Prem may or may not be due to their high boarding school and other costs.

CMIS likely makes a big operational profit, but that might be folded into its parent/owner, Church of Christ in Thailand (CCT), which also holds the license on Payap University and Prince's Royal College, as well as McCormack Hospital. CCT is a huge power/profit point for those in control.

Interesting that that Prem is now going by PTIS -- I suspect to de-emphasize its namesake after the Yellow/Red conflicts of recent years. I could not find the name "Prem" anywhere on the several of its webpages I just visited. When it was called Trihos, the place was clearly a real estate scheme, but that failed, and they decided to go up market with off-the-shelf IB curriculum, ambitious goals and hyper-marketing. Always struck me as a place whose attempted reach exceeded its grasp.

If you drive by the campus, you will see it is "Traidhos" again. It's ironic, because if Thai folks can afford to send their kids to Prem, it is because the grandparents worked hard. Seldom is it because their children worked hard.

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Of course I think they still have a large student body of children whose parents suck off of various government and UN teats.