Problems Getting My Child Into House Registration Book

[bow]

My Thai wife and I have a 5-year-old daughter.

My wife's permanent residence is in Mahasarakham province and that's where she has her house registration.

Our child was born in Ratchaburi province, and that's where the birth certificate - stating that the child is Thai - was issued.

We need to get the child into my wife's blue house registration booklet, but the house registration people in Mahasarakham refuse to put our child into the book. I don't understand why; what's the problem ?

[MJo]

We just registered our daughter including adding her to house book in Bangkok.

Hospital issued birth certificate, that was taken to "central office" here in Bangkok. They issued one document called "house book transfer document" or something like that. However with this document my wife went to her local office and got our daughter included in the actual book. They told us that once we have the transfer doc we have 15 days to complete the registration in her home place office.

I wonder if this central office thingy was done only to accommodate some electronic record update in central database etc? Maybe someone has more info on this?

Also i do not believe this is how it's done in the provinces or is it ?

Edit: also note that the owner of the land / property must be present to sign. So does your wife own the property in question ? My wife had to go with her brother as he owns the property and needed to sign the papers at the office.

Edited May 15, 2009 by MJo

[Mario2008]

Where is the child registered now? maybe she first has to be moved there before she can be put on another house hold book.

[bow]

We just registered our daughter including adding her to house book in Bangkok.

Hospital issued birth certificate, that was taken to "central office" here in Bangkok. They issued one document called "house book transfer document" or something like that. However with this document my wife went to her local office and got our daughter included in the actual book. They told us that once we have the transfer doc we have 15 days to complete the registration in her home place office.

I wonder if this central office thingy was done only to accommodate some electronic record update in central database etc? Maybe someone has more info on this?

Also i do not believe this is how it's done in the provinces or is it ?

Edit: also note that the owner of the land / property must be present to sign. So does your wife own the property in question ? My wife had to go with her brother as he owns the property and needed to sign the papers at the office.

This central office seems interesting. Do you remember what street it was on and maybe where on this street ?

[bow]

Where is the child registered now? maybe she first has to be moved there before she can be put on another house hold book.

She is not registred in any house registration book.

I, as a farang, did not realize that it is important and my Thai wife hates Thai bureaucrats and avoid them as much as possible.

[samran]

she should have been registered within 15 days of birth. Standard operating proceedure.

She would have an ID number on her birth certificate, and that will be on the national database.

Ring the central registry office (tabieen baan klang) I think, and then see what you have to do to move it to your wifes address.

I have no idea where it is, so you'll need to do some detective work. My mothers name was shunted to the central registry after 40 years of living in Australia. She had to deal with them first to basically 'release' her name to the local house registry.

Alternatively, ring the hospital where your daughter was born and asked where they first registered her name....then see where that trail leads.

But given she is 5 years old, I suspect you need it for her schooling etc. All govt related stuff, ID cards, passports etc, requires the name to be on the blue tabieen baan

Sorry not to have been more helpful.

[think_too_mut]

My Thai wife and I have a 5-year-old daughter.

My wife's permanent residence is in Mahasarakham province and that's where she has her house registration.

Our child was born in Ratchaburi province, and that's where the birth certificate - stating that the child is Thai - was issued.

We need to get the child into my wife's blue house registration booklet, but the house registration people in Mahasarakham refuse to put our child into the book. I don't understand why; what's the problem ?

We had our (now 5yrs old daughter) included into my wife's house papers upcountry.

What it took:

1. Birth certificate from Samitivej hospital

2. House papers (No.1 is my wife's mother), she had to be present. She actually did it all, alone, none of us were there. Within a week.

3. Hospital gives papers to sign (Thai ID card required) for the baby to be registered

My MIL got our baby into the house papers. Neither my wife nor me were there.

My wife had to sign it too, when she could - that happened a few months later.

Edited May 15, 2009 by think_too_mut

[MJo]

This central office seems interesting. Do you remember what street it was on and maybe where on this street ?

Had to dig out the birth cert translation...

Under 1. The Newborn / 1.9 Name added to House Register No. it says:

"Central House Registration, Chaemchan Lane, North Khlong Ton Sub-District, Watthana District, Bangkok Metropolis"

As i understood the BC (Thor.Ror. 1) is "issued" by the central registration office above (as it is signed by them and their signatory's names are printed on it) together with the "transfer" document that allows you to add the baby to your wifes house book in her home district office.

NB: our girl was born last month in BKK so this BC might be different than older ones or ones issued elsewhere.

Might be good idea to check if your child is in the central database and take it from there. I would also assume they can check in central where she is registered if not in their books directly.

Good luck.

[bow]

Thank you, everybody.

I might have at least part of the answer to my own question.

Our child is registred as living at a certain address in the birth ceritificate. In fact, the true address, where we did live five years ago.

To beguin with, we need some sort of document where the owner of this house certifies that the child has now left this house.

The thing I didn't understand was that mum and dad is not good enough, the actual owner of the property has to sign as well.

[think_too_mut]

That "Central registry" could be Sathorn Service Centre, at least one of many places like that.

My wife needed her house papers for Japanese visa and JP Embassy said to go there. It was printed in 5 minutes, no need to get originals from upcountry.

Funny, it was the Japanese Embassy who told us that house papers database is centralized nationwide, any such place (the nearest was the Sathorn Service Center) can provide it.