Obama's Speech & Southern Islamic Separatists

[jdinasia]

I don't know about how will it effect Southern Thailand, but it is certainly changing how I view America. It is great to see an American politician who is not a war-monger and who tries to engage the rest of the world in conversation rather than lecture to it. Surely politicians like him will do a lot for peace around the world, including Thailand.

Most American politicians are not "war mongers" – that is way too simplistic - and Obama is quite willing to wage war if necessary - just like the rest of them. I love the guy and hope that his New Age approach works, but it is nice to know that if it doesn't, he is a pragmatist - not a wimpy peacenik - who will do exactly what needs to be done.

Most American politicians are not "war mongers" – that is way too simplistic

True .. There are warmongers and there are Democrats.

[Jingthing]

There are warmongers and there are Democrats.

Historically, US democrats have been significantly more war mongery (sic) than republicans.

[bravingbangkok]

Low hanging.....Lebanese civil war ????? you could have picked that one, the Balkans ??????? could have picked that one. He didn't because he wanted ot prove his point which is anyway wrong because to claim that WW2 had nothing to do with relgion is just silly.

millions of people were killed for being a certain religion !

I will try one last time as I sit here scratching my head trying to understand your thought process.

Garro maintained that not all wars are caused by religion. He picked three men who were not motivated by religion in their conflicts to prove his point that "not all" wars were fought in the name of religion. One would have been adequate to prove his point, but he gave three.

You repsonded with some a very tangential post about Karl Marx being Jewish (ignoring the fact that his "Jewishness" was actually his ethnic background, not his religion), and now pointing out two other conflicts. He never posted that there were no religiously inspired wars! So you can point out the Crusades, the 30 years War, the Irish "Troubles" and a hundred other conflicts, but that does not refute that not all wars are religious.

Hitler was not a war,Stalin and Pol Pot was not a war. So how are any of them wars anyway ?

Hitler and WW2, millions of people slaughtered because of their religion.

Stalin.....what war are we talking about ? The cold war ? not many died in that war so I guess it is insignificant, all I can think of is the millions he slaughtered but that is not a war is it ?

Pol Pot is the same, he never sent all those poor people into war, he just slaughtered them, that is not a war is it ?

[bravingbangkok]

There are warmongers and there are Democrats.

Historically, US democrats have been significantly more war mongery (sic) than republicans.

Really ? I never knew that.

Edited June 5, 2009 by bravingbangkok

[bravingbangkok]

"What I believe in is not the issue. The fact is that a lot of people in the world believe in God or gods and we can neither prove or disprove its/ their existence. We all have our own beliefs.

The silly argument that all wars were started by religion is just absurd. Hitler, Pol-Pot, Stalin, et al were not famous for their religious activities."

Please tell me how WW2 was not famous for its religious activity ?

Pol Pot also targeted religious beliefs as well as education, class and linguistic skills.

Edited June 5, 2009 by bravingbangkok

[jdinasia]

"What I believe in is not the issue. The fact is that a lot of people in the world believe in God or gods and we can neither prove or disprove its/ their existence. We all have our own beliefs.

The silly argument that all wars were started by religion is just absurd. Hitler, Pol-Pot, Stalin, et al were not famous for their religious activities."

Please tell me how WW2 was not famous for its religious activity ?

Pol Pot also targeted religious beliefs as well as education, class and linguistic skills.

Name one COUNTRY that entered WW2 because of religion? It was not a war about religion. Hitler didn't invade countries because of religion. (your argument is tangential)

[bonobo]

Low hanging.....Lebanese civil war ????? you could have picked that one, the Balkans ??????? could have picked that one. He didn't because he wanted ot prove his point which is anyway wrong because to claim that WW2 had nothing to do with relgion is just silly.

millions of people were killed for being a certain religion !

I will try one last time as I sit here scratching my head trying to understand your thought process.

Garro maintained that not all wars are caused by religion. He picked three men who were not motivated by religion in their conflicts to prove his point that "not all" wars were fought in the name of religion. One would have been adequate to prove his point, but he gave three.

You repsonded with some a very tangential post about Karl Marx being Jewish (ignoring the fact that his "Jewishness" was actually his ethnic background, not his religion), and now pointing out two other conflicts. He never posted that there were no religiously inspired wars! So you can point out the Crusades, the 30 years War, the Irish "Troubles" and a hundred other conflicts, but that does not refute that not all wars are religious.

Hitler was not a war,Stalin and Pol Pot was not a war. So how are any of them wars anyway ?

Hitler and WW2, millions of people slaughtered because of their religion.

Stalin.....what war are we talking about ? The cold war ? not many died in that war so I guess it is insignificant, all I can think of is the millions he slaughtered but that is not a war is it ?

Pol Pot is the same, he never sent all those poor people into war, he just slaughtered them, that is not a war is it ?

 Did you bother to read my post?  Please note the words I just bolded.

Of course Hitler is not a war.  But he was a prime mover in WWII, and yes, I think that was a war.  Pol Pot did in fact have a war.  It was called a revolution, and his Khmer Rouge forces defeated Lon Nol's government forces.

You want to say that Stalin was not involved in a war?  One in which 23 million Soviets were killed?  OK. Take him out of this equation as he did not invade Germany but merely reacted to being invaded.  Garro only needed one example to prove his point.  I will take WWII and the Khmer revolution as having done that.

[Ulysses G.]

They do not want to take over the world because they already own the world, do you not believe for 1 minute that Jews are not in control of the worlds finances and banks ?

I do not know whether you are a anti-semite, or not, but I do know that you must have a screw lose if you actually believe this laughable nonsense - Elders of Zion indeed!

Edited June 5, 2009 by Ulysses G.

[middlepath]

I'm Canadian but to have a President like Obama I'd be one proud American...He is really something....

That was some speech!!!!

[bravingbangkok]

They do not want to take over the world because they already own the world, do you not believe for 1 minute that Jews are not in control of the worlds finances and banks ?

I do not know whether you are a anti-semite, or not, but I do know that you must have a screw lose if you actually believe this laughable nonsense - Elders of Zion indeed!

Well so you disagree, does that mean you have a screw loOse ?

I find it amazingly pathetic that just because someone disagrees with you, you are then classed as having a 'screw loose' or being 'childish'.

Grow up would you, if you cannot take other people's opinions then keep quiet.

Also it is very big of you to wade in on this debate with one line which then ultimately is about you thinking I have a screw loose.

I am finished with this discussion.

[chuckd]

I am finished with this discussion.

Sounds as though bravingbangkok is giving up on showing us the light.

How about a round of applause as he exits stage left.

[garro]

Has the crazy man gone yet?

[bravingbangkok]

Has the crazy man gone yet?

Big man hiding behind his computer, just because I do not agree with you does not make me crazy does it ? Go on answer the question and at the same time quote me what I have said which is so crazy ?

No light to be shown, just take a look at the world and the news everyday !

[garro]

Has the crazy man gone yet?

Big man hiding behind his computer, just because I do not agree with you does not make me crazy does it ? Go on answer the question and at the same time quote me what I have said which is so crazy ?

No light to be shown, just take a look at the world and the news everyday !

You are obviously unaware of the purpose of a laughing emoticon. It means joke.

As for hiding behind a computer. My identity would be easy to discover for anyone with the motivation.

[bravingbangkok]

Oh and another thing quote me where I said all wars are started by religion ?

I said add up the number of people killed in wars over religion or along those lines !

[bravingbangkok]

Has the crazy man gone yet?

Big man hiding behind his computer, just because I do not agree with you does not make me crazy does it ? Go on answer the question and at the same time quote me what I have said which is so crazy ?

No light to be shown, just take a look at the world and the news everyday !

You are obviously unaware of the purpose of a laughing emoticon. It means joke.

As for hiding behind a computer. My identity would be easy to discover for anyone with the motivation.

I hardly think you are joking, you are just trying to be one of lads and gang up on someone, if the previous poster had not posted what he did you would have never posted it.

I have seen a lot of silly people on this forum but you are just pathetic.

[bravingbangkok]

You cannot even argue the point you were making and then give up and let someone else argue it for you who in fact got the wrong end of the stick and thought that I had said that all wars have been started due to religion, I said nothing of the sort.

[garro]

Has the crazy man gone yet?

Big man hiding behind his computer, just because I do not agree with you does not make me crazy does it ? Go on answer the question and at the same time quote me what I have said which is so crazy ?

No light to be shown, just take a look at the world and the news everyday !

You are obviously unaware of the purpose of a laughing emoticon. It means joke.

As for hiding behind a computer. My identity would be easy to discover for anyone with the motivation.

I hardly think you are joking, you are just trying to be one of lads and gang up on someone, if the previous poster had not posted what he did you would have never posted it.

I have seen a lot of silly people on this forum but you are just pathetic.

Yawn. I'm done with with your ravings.

Have a nice day.

[bravingbangkok]

Hahahaha yeah okay walk away, utterly pathetic.

[Ulysses G.]

They do not want to take over the world because they already own the world, do you not believe for 1 minute that Jews are not in control of the worlds finances and banks ?

I do not know whether you are a anti-semite, or not, but I do know that you must have a screw lose if you actually believe this laughable nonsense - Elders of Zion indeed!

I find it amazingly pathetic that just because someone disagrees with you, you are then classed as having a 'screw loose' or being 'childish'.

Grow up would you, if you cannot take other people's opinions then keep quiet.

Do you think that all African Americans live on nothing but watermelon and fried chicken? That is an "opinion" too!

[bravingbangkok]

They do not want to take over the world because they already own the world, do you not believe for 1 minute that Jews are not in control of the worlds finances and banks ?

I do not know whether you are a anti-semite, or not, but I do know that you must have a screw lose if you actually believe this laughable nonsense - Elders of Zion indeed!

I find it amazingly pathetic that just because someone disagrees with you, you are then classed as having a 'screw loose' or being 'childish'.

Grow up would you, if you cannot take other people's opinions then keep quiet.

Do you think that all African Americans live on nothing but watermelon and fried chicken? That is an "opinion" too!

So do you have proof against my belief ? I do not have proof affirming the belief you hold. The difference is I do not claim you have a screw loose.

[geriatrickid]

What a complete tosser you are to call someone antisemitic because they think that Jews are in control of the world finances !

I'd describe a person espousing such a view as ignorant, mentally unbalanced and full of anger I do not understand why jews or Israel gets dragged into this thread. The religion and country has nothing to do with southern Thailand. The key banks in the EU which are publicly held or have strong government involvement are structured in such a way as to make the allegation impossible. The last time I looked, China, which holds a large chunk of US debt wasn't dominated by jews, nor were the gulf states. Nor was Japan. And yet these are the major stakeholders in the non domiciled portions of the international banking systems. Last time I looked, major French entities like SocGen and the Mutuelles, were juden free, as were big german financial monoliths like Allianz . One can't argue with those that hold the view since facts and reality do not matter. The delusion is the reality. The sad part about this is that these fools believe in the lies and myths and keep repeating them and then wonder why people treat them as dangerous antisocial lunatics.

Modern wars are started over scarce resources; access to energy, water, arable areas. What I see in southern Thailand is a group of non ethnic Thais wanting to reverse the seizure of land by expansionist Thailand. The area was always Malay associated. Unfortunately, one cannot change modern borders to correct past injustices. It doesn't work.

[Ulysses G.]

What a complete tosser you are to call someone antisemitic because they think that Jews are in control of the world finances !

I'd describe a person espousing such a view as ignorant, mentally unbalanced and full of anger I do not understand why jews or Israel gets dragged into this thread. The religion and country has nothing to do with southern Thailand. The key banks in the EU which are publicly held or have strong government involvement are structured in such a way as to make the allegation impossible. The last time I looked, China, which holds a large chunk of US debt wasn't dominated by jews, nor were the gulf states. Nor was Japan. And yet these are the major stakeholders in the non domiciled portions of the international banking systems. Last time I looked, major French entities like SocGen and the Mutuelles, were juden free, as were big german financial monoliths like Allianz . One can't argue with those that hold the view since facts and reality do not matter. The delusion is the reality. The sad part about this is that these fools believe in the lies and myths and keep repeating them and then wonder why people treat them as dangerous antisocial lunatics.

Spot on!

[bravingbangkok]

If it is so spot on why didnt you say it then ?

It would not have to be dragged into this thread if certain people stopped asking people to prove things, I was asked to prove what right of domination the west, Jews or Christians have, I gave one example and just because someone does not agree I have a screw loose, the person making this assumption could not even spell loose !

I was making the point that the most deaths from armed conflict are due to religion ! A few mis quotes later and I am childish and have a screw loose.

[bravingbangkok]

Again I did not say owned the financial world I said controlled, what a bunch of amateurs you all are !

[lannarebirth]

They do not want to take over the world because they already own the world, do you not believe for 1 minute that Jews are not in control of the worlds finances and banks ?

I do not know whether you are a anti-semite, or not, but I do know that you must have a screw lose if you actually believe this laughable nonsense - Elders of Zion indeed!

I find it amazingly pathetic that just because someone disagrees with you, you are then classed as having a 'screw loose' or being 'childish'.

Grow up would you, if you cannot take other people's opinions then keep quiet.

Do you think that all African Americans live on nothing but watermelon and fried chicken? That is an "opinion" too!

It's a racist cliche, of course. That said, if you want to know where the good fried chicken places are, you would do well to ask a brother.

[Ulysses G.]

If it is so spot on why didnt you say it then ?

Because he said it first.

[bravingbangkok]

If it is so spot on why didnt you say it then ?

Because he said it first.

change the word said with thought, explains your whole life.

[Ulysses G.]

I'm not the one going around claiming that Jews control the world's financial system!

[bravingbangkok]

I'm not the one going around claiming that Jews control the world's financial system!

And what is wrong with that ? It is my opinion and I am allowed to have it just like you are allowed to have yours. The difference between us is I do not blindly claim people are crazy just because they do not agree with me. The only reason you have an issue over me saying that is because you think I feel that it is wrong, when in fact I feel the total opposite, without the Jewish population we as a race would be way behind where we are today !

You just seem to be hung up on this theory that oh no you cannot talk about the Jews, anything said related to the Jews is antisemitic. Whether I am happy with my theory or not it is still my theory and I have the right to think whatever I want without half witted 1 liners like you butting in and calling me crazy.

Grow the fu7ck up !

Edited June 5, 2009 by bravingbangkok