churchill Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Police officials from across Asia have decided to form unprecedented joint operations to target the trafficking of sex slaves at a meeting in Australia. A conference has heard that the trade in young women is far more organised than first thought. The authorities believe most of the victims smuggled to Australia are women from South East Asia. Victims of trafficking are often duped or coerced by threats of violence into travelling to Australia. Once there, they are forced to work in the sex industry. Many are effectively held hostage because of huge debts they owe to criminals. New approach At a meeting in Sydney, security officials from across Asia have agreed to intensify their efforts to combat this sophisticated trade in people. New joint cross-border investigations will be undertaken and Australian federal police commander Ramzi Jabbour believes that increased regional cooperation will make a difference. "By bringing together all the intelligence into a central point, we're able to potentially identify organisers or facilitators that are common amongst a variety of trafficking victims," he said. "If we were working in isolation; the Malays working on their own, the Thais working on their own; they may never actually see the fact that one or two organisers are actually behind these criminal syndicates," he added. There is no reliable information about the number of people smuggled into Australia each year, although various estimates put the figure at about 1,000. Successful prosecutions are rare but Australian authorities have set up a specialist unit to investigate allegations of slavery. Charities have said that other victims of trafficking are forced to work in appalling conditions as domestic servants, farm labourers and on construction sites. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8123562.stm -- BBC 29/06/09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGotti Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 good. this is a really sickening aspect of human nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpofc Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) of course you could always look at tackling the problem at its source. Like world inequality and poverty. My god what am I saying... Edited June 29, 2009 by cpofc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverell Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 of course you could always look at tackling the problem at its source.Like world inequality and poverty. My god what am I saying... How right you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanForbes Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 One of the side problems will be that it will be MUCH harder to bring a Thai girl friend over for a legitimate holiday without leaving a whole LOT of "sin" money in Thailand. Getting a Thai woman a tourist visa is already a real big hassle... even if she is a legitimate wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latindancer Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Oh no....I'm just about to try to get my gf into Australia for a 2 week visit..... How hard IS it ? Luckily she is a teacher in a government school, but she doesn't have any money in the bank. I am going to give her some to put in.....( I trust her 100%). Anyone have some advice for me regarding OZ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tw25rw Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 One of the side problems will be that it will be MUCH harder to bring a Thai girl friend over for a legitimate holiday without leaving a whole LOT of "sin" money in Thailand. Getting a Thai woman a tourist visa is already a real big hassle... even if she is a legitimate wife. If she has a kid who has an Aust dad and has that fact on the birth cert, does that make it easier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priceless Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) of course you could always look at tackling the problem at its source.Like world inequality and poverty. My god what am I saying... You're so right, let's leave human trafficking aside while we spend the next ten generations or so solving "world inequality and poverty". / Priceless Edited June 29, 2009 by Priceless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bails Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Oh no....I'm just about to try to get my gf into Australia for a 2 week visit.....How hard IS it ? Luckily she is a teacher in a government school, but she doesn't have any money in the bank. I am going to give her some to put in.....( I trust her 100%). Anyone have some advice for me regarding OZ ? It certainly is hard to get a female a tourist visa for Oz.Tourist visas are valid for 3 months and she will need to show that she has sufficient funds for that length of time even if only planning a 2 week visit. I would suggest she take out travel/health insurance for her stay in Oz. Also suggest you write her a letter of guarantee covering all her expenses,eg.accommodation,flight tickets,and any other expenses you think may occur. She must also be able to show she has good reasons for wanting to return to Thailand,be it family,job or whatever. Oz immigration seem to make it really tough to get a visa which makes me wonder how all the Thai prostitutes get in to Oz.There seems to be a plethora of them yet it is really difficult to get a visa for wife or girlfriend. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert44 Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Why only Australia but then again how else would the normal Aussie get to have sex? Sorry could not resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEENTHEREDONETHAT Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 New Zealand does not need the asian girls, they have the sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 I imagine connecting the countries investigative bodies to a central information repository, might backfire in Thailand's case... You might well be telling the traffickers senior silent partner what your moves will be.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunholidaysun1 Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Good Idea, lets hope the police forces everywhere send the sex workers home, its a disgrace that this is happening anywhere else other than here.lol Also the Thai government could use the influx of returnees as tourists to boost the figures. On top of all that , I could help out by giving one of them a job as my new house keeper , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdanielsesq Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 The problem is that one still has a willing seller, willing buyer scenario. To get any sort of traction one needs a B&M Gates Foundation benefactor as its not hi-priority, like say HIV Someone trying to get to the big Apple from Dodge or a rice paddy is same/same. The guys who do container loads of poor souls - who die en-route - deserve death by hanging, in public. I find Perth on the west coast, just below HK, to have a most eclectic mix of Thai, Chinese, PI, VN, etc Were it not for the sex part, it would not get printed. We all had slaves once. A Thai maid making 3K Bht per month is slave wages. Can one blame her for selling out to the highest bidder?! A little spanking oftentimes helps them stay focused on the job in hand BR>Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meom Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Prostitution is actually legal in Australia so why can't these women for example from Thailand just get a work permit and be brought into the country legal? We all know that the Thai Experience is unique and as such they wouldn't be taking away jobs from local lasses if that would be a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samgrowth Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 This is really bad news for Thailand's Commerce Minister Pornthiva Nakasai, owner of Poseidon, one of the biggest whore house in Ratchada, if not the biggest in the whole of Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 of course you could always look at tackling the problem at its source.Like world inequality and poverty. My god what am I saying... You're so right, let's leave human trafficking aside while we spend the next ten generations or so solving "world inequality and poverty". / Priceless Sometimes, I think that Priceless is the only one with any common sense around here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSnake Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Maybe a common effort will do some good, let's hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGotti Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 It is a very easy to get a Thai girl to the USA if you yourself have your ducks in a row. Mine got a 10 year tourists visa on her first try. She can stay 6 months at a time at her own leisure (22 years old).. We are similar in ages and I am sure the US Embassy appreciated the fact that I have paid more than 3m+ baht a year in tax since 2004. Now, if you apply and you have not filed a tax return in five years and your wife is much younger than yourself and you come dressed sloppily... GL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsun240Z Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 of course you could always look at tackling the problem at its source.Like world inequality and poverty. My god what am I saying... You're so right, let's leave human trafficking aside while we spend the next ten generations or so solving "world inequality and poverty". / Priceless Yupz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsun240Z Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 This is really bad news for Thailand's Commerce Minister Pornthiva Nakasai, owner of Poseidon, one of the biggest whore house in Ratchada, if not the biggest in the whole of Thailand. Ow my god!! This one wins the TV award 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ijustwannateach Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Of course, the Thai police or the Malaysian or the Phillipine or Cambodian police would have NOTHING, no NOTHING, to do with any kind of prostitution- that would be shocking. The headline reads to me almost like "Cats To Investigate Why Canaries Go Missing: Masses of Birds Heard to Exclaim 'We'll Finally Get To The Bottom Of It Now!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangdan Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 of course you could always look at tackling the problem at its source.Like world inequality and poverty. My god what am I saying... How right you are. Yes very good point. These scubags will prey on the poor with the lure of wealth and better life in another country. How many thai women meet a farang for the 1st time and are married to them within 4 weeks and then taken abroad Thai ladies beware of rushing into quick marriages with farangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangdan Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) Prostitution is actually legal in Australia so why can't these women for example from Thailand just get a work permit and be brought into the country legal?We all know that the Thai Experience is unique and as such they wouldn't be taking away jobs from local lasses if that would be a concern. Prosttution is not legal but the clubs are and they are strictly monitred and the brothels and workers require a licence and pay taxes. The people trafficking in these women are avoiding the registration of legal businesses. It is an offence in Melbourne to live off the earnings of prostition ie your pimps and brothel owners. The club owners make thier money from sales of liquor and food. It is an offence to solicit for the purposes of prositution ie offer sex for money It is an offence to offer money for sex. 17 years a copper and have charged many for the above offences. lastly you will not get a work visa to be a prositute in Austalia. Edited June 30, 2009 by chiangdan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oevna Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Not to be too pedantic (well, yes I am ), but the title of this thread calls the issue in question the "sex trade," which usually means prostitution in general, while the crime described in the article is usually referred to as human trafficking. I know that there is often considerable overlap between the two, but not all prostitution involves human trafficking, and not all human trafficking involves prostitution. This topic appears to be specifically about the overlap between the two: the problem of human trafficking for the purposes of sex slavery. It is not about freelance prostitutes. I'm just drawing the distinction to make sure that we (myself included) don't misunderstand the point of this project and take the discussion too far off-topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 This is really bad news for Thailand's Commerce Minister Pornthiva Nakasai, owner of Poseidon, one of the biggest whore house in Ratchada, if not the biggest in the whole of Thailand. The topic is about the human trafficking aspect and not massage parlors where young girls go voluntarily to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meom Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Prostitution is actually legal in Australia so why can't these women for example from Thailand just get a work permit and be brought into the country legal?We all know that the Thai Experience is unique and as such they wouldn't be taking away jobs from local lasses if that would be a concern. Prosttution is not legal but the clubs are and they are strictly monitred and the brothels and workers require a licence and pay taxes. The people trafficking in these women are avoiding the registration of legal businesses. It is an offence in Melbourne to live off the earnings of prostition ie your pimps and brothel owners. The club owners make thier money from sales of liquor and food. It is an offence to solicit for the purposes of prositution ie offer sex for money It is an offence to offer money for sex. 17 years a copper and have charged many for the above offences. lastly you will not get a work visa to be a prositute in Austalia. I believe you Dan It seems prostitution is governed by State laws which vary from state to state, at least according to Wiki "Prostitution in Australia is governed by state laws, which vary considerably. Street prostitution is illegal in all states of Australia except NSW where it is prohibited near churches, schools, hospitals and similar venues.[1] In addition to the summaries provided below, brothels are often regulated by local council planning laws. Prostitution (exchanging sex for money) is legal all over Australia. Brothels are legal in Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria and Australian Capital Territory. They are illegal in South Australia, Northern Territory, Tasmania and Western Australia." More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samgrowth Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 This is really bad news for Thailand's Commerce Minister Pornthiva Nakasai, owner of Poseidon, one of the biggest whore house in Ratchada, if not the biggest in the whole of Thailand. The topic is about the human trafficking aspect and not massage parlors where young girls go voluntarily to work. Have you ever asked the girls in Poseidon if they volunteered, for force into the trade, by they parrents / village heads / local drug lords / money lenders, etc? I HAVE asked them. Some of them are there to serve high interest debt, some taken by their own parrents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 The BBC is reporting that "Police officials from across Asia have decided to form unprecedented joint operations to target the trafficking of sex slaves at a meeting in Australia'???? You'd think they could find a better place to engage in the trafficking of sex slaves than at a police meeting in Australia.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 This is really bad news for Thailand's Commerce Minister Pornthiva Nakasai, owner of Poseidon, one of the biggest whore house in Ratchada, if not the biggest in the whole of Thailand. The topic is about the human trafficking aspect and not massage parlors where young girls go voluntarily to work. Have you ever asked the girls in Poseidon if they volunteered, for force into the trade, by they parrents / village heads / local drug lords / money lenders, etc? I HAVE asked them. Some of them are there to serve high interest debt, some taken by their own parrents. Did you ask before or after you tried to haggle down the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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