lioness Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I have just read another post which suggests that the poster visit the Tiger Temple between Kanchanaburi and Sai Yok. Over the years things have changed quite a bit there. The first time I visited was with my Thai family. The entry fee at that stage was by donation for Thai nationals, as I got out of the car the cry Farang went up and I was ushered to a booth and paid 300 Baht. I had no problem with that. Back then it wasn't too commercialised and I felt it was worth the money. Photos were free. The only problem I had with it was the abbott who was very rude to my daughter who was carrying her baby son, he told her to get out before they bought the Tigers out. It was his manner which was rude. We were all told that highly coloured shirts weren't allowed as it upset the Tigers. 2 points to that, the monks wear brightly coloured robes and from memory big cats only see in black and white, I'm sure someone will correct me on that if I am wrong. Next visit it was 300 Baht for tourists and Thai nationals alike. normal photos were free, but they had then introduced having a picture taken with you sitting down and a tigers head in your lap, price 1,000 Baht. about 50 prople were in line for this. 3rd visit was in Feb this year. Got quite a shock driving in, new roads and kilometers of new high walls, obviously the 1,000 Baht photos has raised substantial revenue. However now the price was 500 Baht for Farang and 300 Baht for Thai nationals including Guides ( before guides were free ). New rules this time you cannot have your knees or shoulders showing so they direct you to the shop where polo type shirts were available for about double what you would pay elsewhere. Now you pay 50 Baht for normal photos and the 1,000 for the head in lap. We left without going in. But talking to several guides they are very Anti to the Tiger temple. I researched www.Kanchanaburi-info.com/en/saiyok and there is a warning which says and I quote:- In the past reports from Tiger Temple volunteer workers increased that the Tigers were maltreated and abused by the abbott of the temple and his staff. A shortly released report from the British conservation group Care for the Wild International (CW) reveals disturing evidence of animal abuse and illegal tiger trafficking at the Temple. For that reasons we clearly DON'T RECOMMEND A VISIT at the Tiger Temple and ask visitors to Kanchanaburi province to boycott the temple. That's the info, you will all make your own minds up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 But if you take your own camera you can get photo's for free , and 500 baht is not expensive , can you imagine their operating costs. You are being a bit unreasonable it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborg22 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) I have just read another post which suggests that the poster visit the Tiger Temple between Kanchanaburi and Sai Yok.Over the years things have changed quite a bit there. The first time I visited was with my Thai family. The entry fee at that stage was by donation for Thai nationals, as I got out of the car the cry Farang went up and I was ushered to a booth and paid 300 Baht. I had no problem with that. Back then it wasn't too commercialised and I felt it was worth the money. Photos were free. The only problem I had with it was the abbott who was very rude to my daughter who was carrying her baby son, he told her to get out before they bought the Tigers out. It was his manner which was rude. We were all told that highly coloured shirts weren't allowed as it upset the Tigers. 2 points to that, the monks wear brightly coloured robes and from memory big cats only see in black and white, I'm sure someone will correct me on that if I am wrong. Next visit it was 300 Baht for tourists and Thai nationals alike. normal photos were free, but they had then introduced having a picture taken with you sitting down and a tigers head in your lap, price 1,000 Baht. about 50 prople were in line for this. 3rd visit was in Feb this year. Got quite a shock driving in, new roads and kilometers of new high walls, obviously the 1,000 Baht photos has raised substantial revenue. However now the price was 500 Baht for Farang and 300 Baht for Thai nationals including Guides ( before guides were free ). New rules this time you cannot have your knees or shoulders showing so they direct you to the shop where polo type shirts were available for about double what you would pay elsewhere. Now you pay 50 Baht for normal photos and the 1,000 for the head in lap. We left without going in. But talking to several guides they are very Anti to the Tiger temple. I researched www.Kanchanaburi-info.com/en/saiyok and there is a warning which says and I quote:- In the past reports from Tiger Temple volunteer workers increased that the Tigers were maltreated and abused by the abbott of the temple and his staff. A shortly released report from the British conservation group Care for the Wild International (CW) reveals disturing evidence of animal abuse and illegal tiger trafficking at the Temple. For that reasons we clearly DON'T RECOMMEND A VISIT at the Tiger Temple and ask visitors to Kanchanaburi province to boycott the temple. That's the info, you will all make your own minds up. Having being born in Kanchanaburi, I can give an unbiased comment on this. The tiger temple should have being shut down years ago. To all tourists if you love wild life including tigers do not go there, Stay well clear of it. Edited July 18, 2009 by cyborg22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lioness Posted July 18, 2009 Author Share Posted July 18, 2009 Your missing the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborg22 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 why? Why? Because you are contributing to the suffering of these animals and lining the pockets of people who don't care about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 If these animals were mistreated they would not be as gentle as they are there are tigers in zoos all over the world. Get over it. I recommend to anyone go and have a look for your self its a well worth the visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborg22 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 If these animals were mistreated they would not be as gentle as they are there are tigers in zoos all over the world.Get over it. I recommend to anyone go and have a look for your self its a well worth the visit. Rubbish. Have you ever heard of the term beaten into submission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) There are tranquilisers in this world, so....?? that's not a zoo....!! Edited July 18, 2009 by Birdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 If these animals were mistreated they would not be as gentle as they are there are tigers in zoos all over the world.Get over it. I recommend to anyone go and have a look for your self its a well worth the visit. Rubbish. Have you ever heard of the term beaten into submission? I have just had a day at safari world this week you would love that place orangatang boxing , dolphin show , polar bears , tigers, here are some pics i posted. I saw no signs of mistreated animals. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Safari-World-t280775.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborg22 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) There are tranquilisers in this world, so....?? Yes true. Not sure how much i can say on that subject, Thai visa i am sure will not allow me to comment further for fear of lawsuit. Suffice to say i have seen things ok Edited July 18, 2009 by cyborg22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 If these animals were mistreated they would not be as gentle as they are there are tigers in zoos all over the world.Get over it. I recommend to anyone go and have a look for your self its a well worth the visit. Rubbish. Have you ever heard of the term beaten into submission? I have just had a day at safari world this week you would love that place orangatang boxing , dolphin show , polar bears , tigers, here are some pics i posted. I saw no signs of mistreated animals. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Safari-World-t280775.html You are really promoting that thread, where poster question the training methods of animals????? I suppose you have a lot a photos from bullfights from Spain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 If these animals were mistreated they would not be as gentle as they are there are tigers in zoos all over the world.Get over it. I recommend to anyone go and have a look for your self its a well worth the visit. Rubbish. Have you ever heard of the term beaten into submission? I have just had a day at safari world this week you would love that place orangatang boxing , dolphin show , polar bears , tigers, here are some pics i posted. I saw no signs of mistreated animals. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Safari-World-t280775.html You are really promoting that thread, where poster question the training methods of animals????? I suppose you have a lot a photos from bullfights from Spain... He questions the training methods but I have seen no evidence , these animals would turn on there handlers if mistreated , people just over exagerarate as i said before some people will always complain. " even over Obama kiling a fly " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtp Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 There are tranquilisers in this world, so....?? Yes true. Not sure how much i can say on that subject, Thai visa i am sure will not allow me to comment further for fear of lawsuit. Suffice to say i have seen things ok I understand your fear of being slapped by the mods,but we really need more info.... If you have seen something cruel with your own eyes,tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborg22 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I have just had a day at safari world this week you would love that place orangatang boxing , dolphin show , polar bears , tigers, here are some pics i posted.I saw no signs of mistreated animals. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Safari-World-t280775.html In saying that are you saying that should have being part of the show? They are hardly likely to allow you to see that. Get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborg22 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) There are tranquilisers in this world, so....?? Yes true. Not sure how much i can say on that subject, Thai visa i am sure will not allow me to comment further for fear of lawsuit. Suffice to say i have seen things ok I understand your fear of being slapped by the mods,but we really need more info.... If you have seen something cruel with your own eyes,tell us. May be i could make a draft and submit it to the moderators first for approval. A little imput from the admin would be greeted with open arms on that please. My wife,children and i are active sponsers of the born free foundation Edited July 18, 2009 by cyborg22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kan Win Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Your missing the point. Cost then, many years ago, for me 100 baht for Thais free. Never went back as it is not 'me cup of tea' as they say, but the 'Safari Open Park' in Kan that place is great. Yours truly, Win in Kan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I have just had a day at safari world this week you would love that place orangatang boxing , dolphin show , polar bears , tigers, here are some pics i posted.I saw no signs of mistreated animals. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Safari-World-t280775.html In saying that are you saying that should have being part of the show? They are hardly likely to allow you to see that. Get real. I don't like seeing animals mistreated at all and if I did see it I would have a different view , but the problem is that there are to many arm chair critics that talk a load of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborg22 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) I have just had a day at safari world this week you would love that place orangatang boxing , dolphin show , polar bears , tigers, here are some pics i posted.I saw no signs of mistreated animals. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Safari-World-t280775.html In saying that are you saying that should have being part of the show? They are hardly likely to allow you to see that. Get real. I don't like seeing animals mistreated at all and if I did see it I would have a different view , but the problem is that there are to many arm chair critics that talk a load of crap. So are you saying i am an armchair critic? By definition that is someone that has never seen, But is all to willing to speak on something he knows nothing about. I have being involved with the born free foundation since 1979, And had dinner with two of the most inspiring people i could ever wish to meet. John Rendall and Ace Bourke, The two guys that bought Christian the lion from harrods in the 60's. I know what i am talking about my friend. Christian the lion just type that in on utube and enjoy. Then buy the full dvd from born free foundation Edited July 18, 2009 by cyborg22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasabi Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I strongly suspected the tigers had been tranquilized when I went to the Tiger zoo. I've never seen so many tigers so lethargic in my life and I've been to a few of these animal safari things. Tigers are cats and do take naps but when they are awake are much more alert then I saw these tigers exhibiting. I have no proof of them being drugged just my suspicion and I decided I didn't want to go back there since I was uncomfortable with potential drugging of the tigers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborg22 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I strongly suspected the tigers had been tranquilized when I went to the Tiger zoo. I've never seen so many tigers so lethargic in my life and I've been to a few of these animal safari things. Tigers are cats and do take naps but when they are awake are much more alert then I saw these tigers exhibiting. I have no proof of them being drugged just my suspicion and I decided I didn't want to go back there since I was uncomfortable with potential drugging of the tigers. wow!!!!! Someone on thai visa walks around with their eyes open, Maybe not a first but a rarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) I am not questioning your expertise infact I support the freedom for animals to live in the wild , but tigers and dolphins monkeys etc have been in world zoos and safaris all over the world for many years. If these animals are trained correctly and cared for then let it be and go after the people who kill animals for ivory , skins etc. And as I said before there are to many armchair critics that do nothing more than pass comments. Edited July 18, 2009 by saintofsilence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) You have clearly no background knowledge of species-appropriate husbandry. Better shut up! Edited July 18, 2009 by Birdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborg22 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I am not questioning your expertise infact I support the freedom for animals to live in the wild , but tigers and dolphins monkeys etc have been in world zoos and safaris all over the world for many years.If these animals are trained correctly and cared for then let it be and go after the people who kill animals for ivory , skins etc. And as I said before there are to many armchair critics that do nothing more than pass comments. ok let me put it another way. There should be zoo's in this world for one reason and one reason only. That is to safeguard and stop the extinction of a species. If that involves the charging of people to view them that is ok. We know that keeping animals is expensive and the costs have to be found somewhere. But no where in the book of rules does it say sedate or abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 You have clearly no background knowledge of species-appropriate husbandry. Better shut up! The same should apply to you get back in your cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborg22 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 You have clearly no background knowledge of species-appropriate husbandry. Better shut up! The same should apply to you get back in your cage. Hang on you two May be i was misguided, But i was just beginning to think this could be a thread without any real slagging off. ok ok so may be i'm blinkered my sincere apologises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop_corn Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) I've been there and BORING! it doesn't worth it..! ps...editing to ask, have anyone here been in the zoo tamat safari or something like that, which is in Indonesia Jakarta? Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat is what I'm talking about!! Edited July 18, 2009 by pop_corn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 You have clearly no background knowledge of species-appropriate husbandry. Better shut up! The same should apply to you get back in your cage. Hang on you two May be i was misguided, But i was just beginning to think this could be a thread without any real slagging off. ok ok so may be i'm blinkered my sincere apologises. ...apologises to saintofsilence, too. Didn't want to be so rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 You have clearly no background knowledge of species-appropriate husbandry. Better shut up! The same should apply to you get back in your cage. Hang on you two May be i was misguided, But i was just beginning to think this could be a thread without any real slagging off. ok ok so may be i'm blinkered my sincere apologises. ...apologises to saintofsilence, too. Didn't want to be so rude. apologises to you also Birdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanForbes Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I visited the zoo about 5 years ago and was frankly very disappointed with what I saw. I would never recommend anyone visit that place. The cats were stuck in dark little cages and you could hardly see them, and certainly photos were out of the question. The one that had people standing next to it was about 100 meters away and you needed a good telephoto for a picture. It was a rotational thing with very little appeal. There were the usual other creatures like pigs and chickens wandering around, and the occasional peacock with moulting feathers, but that was about it. The only thing that was worth taking a photo of was a massive bull water buffalo of mottled colouring. Animals in the Bangkok or Chiang Mai zoo looked much better cared for and in far better surroundings. I've never been back and never want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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