Thaksin Supporters Claim 5.6m Signatures

[Ayutthaya69]

How much per signature?

good question how much nuung phan baht = 1000 lol Thaksin have to go in jail im f.... boring abouth thaksin

[neverdie]

Now if they would only drop that petition around to my place I could use it to wipe my arse on after my morning movement.

[WAERTH]

Now for sake of argument let us say these are 5.5 million genuine signatures of people whom genuinely believe Thaksin should be let free ....

This country has over 65 million people so less than 10 percent feels this way. Not even close to a majority ........

W

[Samuian]

Now for sake of argument let us say these are 5.5 million genuine signatures of people whom genuinely believe Thaksin should be let free ....

This country has over 65 million people so less than 10 percent feels this way. Not even close to a majority ........

W

are you trying to point at "democratic values" as in "Democracy against Dictatorship"?

[verydumbubba]

That is not an improbable figure

Bubba

[Netfan]

Now for sake of argument let us say these are 5.5 million genuine signatures of people whom genuinely believe Thaksin should be let free ....

This country has over 65 million people so less than 10 percent feels this way. Not even close to a majority ........

W

Or to look at it another way - of those 65 million, how many are under 18? Or can anyone of any age sign this thing? Let's say 70% or roughly 45 million are over 18. They have one in nine of those people on that petition??? And if you consider Bangkok, and the south, where Takky has little or no support, then where did all these signatures come from? Common sense says there is no way it is possible. So they are trying to defraud the most revered institution in the country. Nice. But not surprising.

Edited August 1, 2009 by Netfan

[farangmal]

and what do they want to achieve with 5.6 million (of course all verified as genuine) signatures?

To compromise Thailand's most revered institution?

the Red's should be ashamed!

The reds are uneducated freedom fighters it's the other mobs who should be ashamed if they can stop counting the money for a while.

[farangmal]

So the same army that couldn't act to stop the airport debacle can suddenly deploy people to explain how signing a paper is wrong.

Quite amusing actually.

The Army could stop it...they weren't allowed

[h90]

How much per signature?

good question how much nuung phan baht = 1000 lol Thaksin have to go in jail im f.... boring abouth thaksin

I doubt that much....My guess: 1 bottle lao

[monkfish]

Yes, this petition is ILLEGAL under Thai law.

But we know how much the convicted fugitive leader of this travesty respects the law.

So was the coup but didn't stop it happening.

They had to get a conviction to save face.

[h90]

Now for sake of argument let us say these are 5.5 million genuine signatures of people whom genuinely believe Thaksin should be let free ....

This country has over 65 million people so less than 10 percent feels this way. Not even close to a majority ........

W

not very valued argument, the same arguments where against the PAD, it is still a lot people.

just I never heard of any country which has a vote if a criminal goes in court or not.

Every famous singer could do any crime if all his fans just need to sign for a pardon.

[h90]

Yes, this petition is ILLEGAL under Thai law.

But we know how much the convicted fugitive leader of this travesty respects the law.

So was the coup but didn't stop it happening.

They had to get a conviction to save face.

The former coup is not illegal, read the constitution.

[mc2]

Yes, this petition is ILLEGAL under Thai law.

But we know how much the convicted fugitive leader of this travesty respects the law.

So was the coup but didn't stop it happening.

They had to get a conviction to save face.

The former coup is not illegal, read the constitution.

maybe , maybe not

his second point is still valid - "They had to get a conviction to save face."

[slimdog]

Now for sake of argument let us say these are 5.5 million genuine signatures of people whom genuinely believe Thaksin should be let free ....

This country has over 65 million people so less than 10 percent feels this way. Not even close to a majority ........

W

Or to look at it another way - of those 65 million, how many are under 18? Or can anyone of any age sign this thing? Let's say 70% or roughly 45 million are over 18. They have one in nine of those people on that petition??? And if you consider Bangkok, and the south, where Takky has little or no support, then where did all these signatures come from? Common sense says there is no way it is possible. So they are trying to defraud the most revered institution in the country. Nice. But not surprising.

Every person who signs has to fill in details on the form provided at the bottom of the petition. This gives:

• The persons name
  
• The persons signature
  
• The persons full address
  
• The persons I.D number
  
• The persons phone number
  

[h90]

Yes, this petition is ILLEGAL under Thai law.

But we know how much the convicted fugitive leader of this travesty respects the law.

So was the coup but didn't stop it happening.

They had to get a conviction to save face.

The former coup is not illegal, read the constitution.

maybe , maybe not

his second point is still valid - "They had to get a conviction to save face."

yes and it wasn't difficult, from the many other valid cases he ran away....

Everyone who is doing business cane across some corruption from the Thaksin clan/cronies.

So no need to force any conviction.

(the only open question is if other politicians are less corrupt)

[grandpops]

Anupong deploys soldiers to explain to people about Thaksin-pardon petition

Army Commander-in-Chief Gen Anupong Paochinda said he has ordered commander of all army units to have their subordinates explain the correct procedures for seeking a royal pardon to the people nationwide.

But Anupong said he realised that it would not be easy to change the mind of the people.

Anupong took the action after the red-shirt movement announced that it had gathered over 4 million signatures to petition His Majesty for a royal pardon for former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Several groups said it was inappropriate to raise the signatures for Thaksin-pardon petition as it could be seen as an attempt to involve His Majesty in politics.

-- The Nation 2009/08/01

So as in all free coutries of the world, the Army again moves on its on volition to defend itself and its interests against the nefarious forces of democracy, free speach and self determination.

Nice of them to chirp up and demonstrate clearly for all to see, that they are controlling the puppets in Government. Those that want to see! There are plenty on here viewing this through rose-tinted glasses worn over a blindfold, with blinkers on for good measure.

[monkfish]

Yes, this petition is ILLEGAL under Thai law.

But we know how much the convicted fugitive leader of this travesty respects the law.

So was the coup but didn't stop it happening.

They had to get a conviction to save face.

The former coup is not illegal, read the constitution.

Which constitution?

The one before the coup or the new one the Junta made after seizing power?

[animatic]

Yes, this petition is ILLEGAL under Thai law.

But we know how much the convicted fugitive leader of this travesty respects the law.

Yes making a list

Not checking it twice,

Gonna find who's Red Shirt or Nice

Thaksin's clause is coming to town.

They don't really care

If it's legal or not

Just scribble their names

And take home the baht

Thaksin's Mob is coming to town.

He hopes Abhisit is sleeping

At the national controls

That's just idol dreaming

Reflected by his trolls.

They'll make a big stink,

Stir up the muck

Get charged with LM

If there's any luck

Thaksin's Mob is coming to town.

A ploy to gain time

A shot in the dark

To get back the cash

That is presently parked.

Thaksin's Clause is coming to town.

His hopes for an uprising

In the name of democracy

Is only Chutes and Ladders

As any child can see.

Yes, making a list

Not checking it twice,

Gonna find who's Red Shirt or Nice

Thaksin's clause is coming to town.

Edited August 1, 2009 by animatic

[h90]

Yes, this petition is ILLEGAL under Thai law.

But we know how much the convicted fugitive leader of this travesty respects the law.

So was the coup but didn't stop it happening.

They had to get a conviction to save face.

The former coup is not illegal, read the constitution.

Which constitution?

The one before the coup or the new one the Junta made after seizing power?

I never heard of a constitution made by the Junta, there was a committee .....And the draft was subject to a public referendum, but under the terms of the 2006 Constitution. A majority voted for the new constitution.

[animatic]

Yes, this petition is ILLEGAL under Thai law.

But we know how much the convicted fugitive leader of this travesty respects the law.

So was the coup but didn't stop it happening.

They had to get a conviction to save face.

Of course that doesn't say he didn't make it EASY to get convictions on him.

Where there's smoke there's fire, and his house is ablaze.

[animatic]

Yes, this petition is ILLEGAL under Thai law.

But we know how much the convicted fugitive leader of this travesty respects the law.

So was the coup but didn't stop it happening.

They had to get a conviction to save face.

The former coup is not illegal, read the constitution.

Which constitution?

The one before the coup or the new one the Junta made after seizing power?

The second of those two, obviously,

that the WHOLE country voted on and approved.

They could have said no. They had a choice.

Just before the junta handed back power without a fight to

Thaksin's proxy party PPP... and with Samak at the helm of all people.

All of Thaksin's problems come from repetitive, excessive, greedy actions,

in general way beyond the avaricious scope of most all politicians before him.

He set a new gold standard in executive criminality.

[slimdog]

I never heard of a constitution made by the Junta, there was a committee .....And the draft was subject to a public referendum, but under the terms of the 2006 Constitution. A majority voted for the new constitution.

The miltary Junta formally suspended the 1997 Constitution on the 20th Sptember 2006. At the same time they instructed Meechai Ruchuphan to draft an Interim Constitution until a new Constitution was drafted by a committee, this became law on the 1st October 2006. Within the Interim Constitution was Article 37 which stated that all individuals who were involved in the 19th September 2006 were absolutely exempt from any responsibility, action or wrong doing, regardless of whether such acts were unlawful.

The present Constitution includes Article 309, which states that everything that was included in the Interim Constitution was also deemed constitutional and binding in the present Constitution.

The 2006 Interim Constitution never stated that the coup was legal, just that all individuals involved with the coup were exempt from any legal responsibility or actions.

[Samuian]

......

All of Thaksin's problems come from repetitive, excessive, greedy actions,

in general way beyond the avaricious scope of most all politicians before him.

He set a new gold standard in executive criminality.

there is a Chinese proverb that says:

"unfortunately greed is trailed by sister misfortune!"

So being of Chinese descent, he should have known,

was all up to him and still is, he could turn the tide anytime!

But instead....it seems he prefers "to rock the boat" and with it

unmasks his real intentions, still he has managed never to mention

his frozen fortunes - wonder why nobody brings it up!?

"wait when a bruised man returns"...

why do I detect some sort of a subtle hidden threat in it?

...and so is the enactment of the "Peoples Petition"..."Peoples Power"

the fugitive is clearly trying to hide his more or less covert actions

under the umbrella of "the people" as if it wasn't his intentions,

but the peoples will!

Quite shrewd, the least to say...

Edited August 1, 2009 by Samuian

[khonkaen man]

Yes, this petition is ILLEGAL under Thai law.

But we know how much the convicted fugitive leader of this travesty respects the law.

So was the coup but didn't stop it happening.

They had to get a conviction to save face.

The former coup is not illegal, read the constitution

Just remind me , who wrote the constitution that made the coup legal

[brahmburgers]

Update: ......collected over 5.4 million signatures, far more than the one million signatures they initially targeted. Leaders of the anti-government United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) announced that they would first verify the names they had collected and then submit them within August 12.

ummm, with seven working days between now and August 12, that's roughly 800,000 signatures per day that they will 'verify.' In an 8 hour work day, that's 100,000 per hour, or 1,667 signatures per minute. Assuming they had 1,667 people working fervently without breaks, each would have to verify one signature per minute. This, in a land where a full time bureaucrat might take two weeks to verify one address, if you're lucky, when you apply for a vehicle registration or such.

....and what of all the people who just make an 'X' (or equivalent)

If this signature drive is effective, perhaps it will add another dimension to Thai political landscape.

Anytime someone, or a group has a grievance, they simply declare a signature drive, and ....voila, in ten days they have however many millions of signatures they think they need to make an impression.

About all they'd really need is enough paper, and enough fervent (or paid) folks to mark up all the requisite signature forms. It might also help to have different color/sized pens - to add a bit of authenticity.

Edited August 1, 2009 by brahmburgers

[mc2]

its not going to take one minute it will take 10 seconds.

just type the ID number into the database and match the record then tick it.

how long does it take to type 10 or so digits and click search ? i can do it in about 5 seconds.

[animatic]

Yes, this petition is ILLEGAL under Thai law.

But we know how much the convicted fugitive leader of this travesty respects the law.

So was the coup but didn't stop it happening.

They had to get a conviction to save face.

The former coup is not illegal, read the constitution

Just remind me , who wrote the constitution that made the coup legal

He did already;

"Meechai Ruchuphan"

[webfact]

its not going to take one minute it will take 10 seconds.

just type the ID number into the database and match the record then tick it.

how long does it take to type 10 or so digits and click search ? i can do it in about 5 seconds.

wow!! The Reds always come up with impressive numbers...

Have you ever calculated your figures????

There are 60 seconds in a minute and 60 minutes in an hour

60 x 60 x 24 = 86400 seconds = 1 day

5.600.000 x 5 seceonds = 28.000.000 seconds ./. 86.400 (1day)

= 324 days duration - for 1 person 24 hours a day without ANY interruption...

Maybe some mathematician can step in...

Edited August 1, 2009 by webfact

[brahmburgers]

its not going to take one minute it will take 10 seconds.

just type the ID number into the database and match the record then tick it.

how long does it take to type 10 or so digits and click search ? i can do it in about 5 seconds.

Did all signatories include their ID# with their signature?

If so, did they use their own ID#

This is the 1st mention I've heard of ID#'s required to be added in a signature drive.

Again, more than a few posters on this topic have mentioned they haven't seen any signature drive activity in their Thai cities. How do you get over 5 million signatures in two weeks by only soliciting them at a few sparsely attended rallies?

Also, those doing the verification process (if indeed it's done at all) will undoubtedly be connected to UDD, and therefore rooting for a flush outcome. Can they be relied upon to nix signatures that aren't verified?

[Chunkton]

Has anyone residing in Thailand seen a signature drive going on? I haven't, and I reside in a region of thoroughly duped Thaksin supporters.

A signature gathering campaign should have unobtrusive people calmly requesting passers-by to sign such 'n such petition. Unless the pedestrian is well-acquainted with the issue-at-hand, that person should be calmly given some info and allowed to sign or to walk away without taunts or shouting. Questions can be addressed.

I haven't seen any of that (either in a civilized or in a coercive manner) though I've just been kicking around in one city.

My guess is the signatures claimed are bogus at best. There may have been a few thousand gathered at some Red Shirt rallies, but it's highly unlikely the campaign resembled anything like a real signature-gathering exercise. TIT, where nothing is as it seems, except overly spicy lifeless food, and ornate wats.

Also, in a bona fine signature campaign, the signatures are gone over to see whether they're authentic. How long would it take to verify 5.6 million signatures (?) - especially in a land where a pizza delivery service can't find an address a few blocks from it's storefront, and most folks have never written or rec'd a letter.

So Taksin the Despised won not an election but two without the need for a coalition. His PPP under the military guns, martial law and an enforced constitution then still won the last election. As such it doesn't seem difficult to believe he is popular with the majority of Thai voters regardless of your passionate opinion.

Now you claim that these signatures are bogus based presumably on your occasional stroll through the local market. As you are calling these people liars would you be so good to back that up with some hard evidence rather than the light weight supposition posted here? If the government had such evidence they would be using it, perhaps you could help them out?

Even if it is another yehar bash Taksin thread, if you are going to make accusations then at least back it up. Otherwise use IMHO to show that the claims have no actual basis in fact bar personal opinion.