Riot Audio Tape Doctored : Pm

[Insight]

I bet she didn't get very far.

The Farang's on this board are too well informed for that type of misinformation.

After all, they read the domestic English language media daily!

What was Koo thinking!

ferwert , should't you be keeping abreast of takkys twitter feed and myspace pages ?

you state that you are preaching to the converted here - so why waste your time ?

oh! you feed your PAD team at tweeter, so you tell me to do the same thing??????

Are you afraid of the clip of your the Med PM? 555555555555555

Protest and protest!!!! poor guy!!

To quote Moonrakers - Hells bells.

[JetsetBkk]

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday denied ordering a violent dispersal of the red shirts during the Songkran mayhem in April

To misquote Mandy Rice-Davies: "Well he would say that, wouldn't he?".

[brahmburgers]

If the tape is a patch-job, and there's proof, then the PM's people should make that as clear as possible to the masses.

I've worked with audio software, re; editing and such (I did an audio book, solo), so I know how easy it is to cut and paste in order to tweak the spoken word. It's also known that such manipulation would show up in good quality software, as peoples' voice tone changes and background noises vary - from scenario to scenario.

If the graph of the audio shows manipulation, then such a graph (and any other supporting scientific evidence) should be showcased in a press conference.

It's about time the phlem spewing Red Shirts get caught at their mean-spirited deceptions. Already, I noticed from the newspaper article, their top leaders are saying they don't know where the recording originated from (lying as usual). The time honored Thai traditions of lying and avoiding responsibility are being kept alive with the Red Shirts.

[Artisi]

What was Koo thinking!

She wasn't.

[justanothercybertosser]

If the tape is a patch-job, and there's proof, then the PM's people should make that as clear as possible to the masses.

I've worked with audio software, re; editing and such (I did an audio book, solo), so I know how easy it is to cut and paste in order to tweak the spoken word. It's also known that such manipulation would show up in good quality software, as peoples' voice tone changes and background noises vary - from scenario to scenario.

If the graph of the audio shows manipulation, then such a graph (and any other supporting scientific evidence) should be showcased in a press conference.

It's about time the phlem spewing Red Shirts get caught at their mean-spirited deceptions. Already, I noticed from the newspaper article, their top leaders are saying they don't know where the recording originated from (lying as usual). The time honored Thai traditions of lying and avoiding responsibility are being kept alive with the Red Shirts.

Accusing the Red Shirts without having clear proof is about as ugly as manufacturing the recording.

If you would strain that gray matter between the ears, you might find that there are many factions who would benefit from an escalation of the situation - some may be found in the Red Shirts themselves, some in their adversaries, and some others that play their own game.

[Moonrakers]

Even if they did have undeniable cast iron proof that the tape is a forgery, does anybody believe for one minute that anybody in a red shirt will listen?

If anything it will be twisted so that Abhisit made the fake himself.

[caf]

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday denied ordering a violent dispersal of the red shirts during the Songkran mayhem in April

To misquote Mandy Rice-Davies: "Well he would say that, wouldn't he?".

That's not a misquote. She actually said that

[caf]

If the tape is a patch-job, and there's proof, then the PM's people should make that as clear as possible to the masses.

I've worked with audio software, re; editing and such (I did an audio book, solo), so I know how easy it is to cut and paste in order to tweak the spoken word. It's also known that such manipulation would show up in good quality software, as peoples' voice tone changes and background noises vary - from scenario to scenario.

If the graph of the audio shows manipulation, then such a graph (and any other supporting scientific evidence) should be showcased in a press conference.

It's about time the phlem spewing Red Shirts get caught at their mean-spirited deceptions. Already, I noticed from the newspaper article, their top leaders are saying they don't know where the recording originated from (lying as usual). The time honored Thai traditions of lying and avoiding responsibility are being kept alive with the Red Shirts.

Accusing the Red Shirts without having clear proof is about as ugly as manufacturing the recording.

If you would strain that gray matter between the ears, you might find that there are many factions who would benefit from an escalation of the situation - some may be found in the Red Shirts themselves, some in their adversaries, and some others that play their own game.

Many expats posting here have very fixed views; facts are not particularly important and the concept of innocent until proved otherwise raely enters their heads. Having said that I am surprised by brahmburgers comment. he is usually more thoughtful and logical

[Plus]

Accusing the Red Shirts without having clear proof is about as ugly as manufacturing the recording.

Abhisit doesn't need a clear proof that he didn't say any of those things he is accused of. He was there.

[justanothercybertosser]

Accusing the Red Shirts without having clear proof is about as ugly as manufacturing the recording.

Abhisit doesn't need a clear proof that he didn't say any of those things he is accused of. He was there.

Yes.

And if you would have followed my posts here you would have seen that in no post have i denied that the recording was manufactured. It is proven beyond doubt that the recording was clearly manufactured.

What i argue here is the mistaken conclusion that the tape might have necessarily came from the Red Shirts themselves. There are many other possibilities of factions on all sides of the conflict who have vested interests in escalation, and who have brought this into circulation.

[Moonrakers]

Even if they did have undeniable cast iron proof that the tape is a forgery, does anybody believe for one minute that anybody in a red shirt will listen?

If anything it will be twisted so that Abhisit made the fake himself.

Yes.

And if you would have followed my posts here you would have seen that in no post have i denied that the recording was manufactured. It is proven beyond doubt that the recording was clearly manufactured.

What i argue here is the mistaken conclusion that the tape might have necessarily came from the Red Shirts themselves. There are many other possibilities of factions on all sides of the conflict who have vested interests in escalation, and who have brought this into circulation.

And I wasn't even being entirely serious . The mind boggles.

[ThNiner]

Accusing the Red Shirts without having clear proof is about as ugly as manufacturing the recording.

Abhisit doesn't need a clear proof that he didn't say any of those things he is accused of. He was there.

Yes.

And if you would have followed my posts here you would have seen that in no post have i denied that the recording was manufactured. It is proven beyond doubt that the recording was clearly manufactured.

What i argue here is the mistaken conclusion that the tape might have necessarily came from the Red Shirts themselves. There are many other possibilities of factions on all sides of the conflict who have vested interests in escalation, and who have brought this into circulation.

According to the latest news from Thai press, the Dem Spokesman has just come out and stated they've traced the origin of the audio file. They have found that the doctored audio file was originated from one the Thaksin's companies called "SC". The audio file was then emailed to PTP's headquarters...and from there they sent it out to the media. I think this should be reported by Thailand's English language media shortly.

Also last night during the House debate on the budget, there seemed to have been a concerted effort by the PTP's MP part to play the doctored file in the house while the whole thing was being televised. Hmmmm....

Edited August 28, 2009 by ThNiner

[animatic]

If the tape is a patch-job, and there's proof, then the PM's people should make that as clear as possible to the masses.

I've worked with audio software, re; editing and such (I did an audio book, solo), so I know how easy it is to cut and paste in order to tweak the spoken word. It's also known that such manipulation would show up in good quality software, as peoples' voice tone changes and background noises vary - from scenario to scenario.

If the graph of the audio shows manipulation, then such a graph (and any other supporting scientific evidence) should be showcased in a press conference.

It's about time the phlem spewing Red Shirts get caught at their mean-spirited deceptions. Already, I noticed from the newspaper article, their top leaders are saying they don't know where the recording originated from (lying as usual). The time honored Thai traditions of lying and avoiding responsibility are being kept alive with the Red Shirts.

Yes and no.

With the right 2-3 pieces of software, one being Auto-Tune™,

you can change the direction of words tones to fit your mean vocal range.

Optimize levels before cutting in short bursts, increase dynamcis to match background ambients.

Any decent sound designer for film or TV can do this. Hmmm Red -TV.....

Since so many sources are digitized to begin with it is mostly all numerical content anyway.

Smaller governments might or might not have resources to find transition glitches and clearly maps

background patterns. But if it IS from one recording on one location that is even harder to tell.

Either way no matter WHO did this for whatever reason,

This is out of character for Abhisit and preaching to the choir for the Red Leadership.

Considering the increasing rumbles building before this weekends gathering,

my bet goes to red, or is that black now... rouge or noir, tis fekin' Russian roulette one way or another.

[justanothercybertosser]

Even if they did have undeniable cast iron proof that the tape is a forgery, does anybody believe for one minute that anybody in a red shirt will listen?

If anything it will be twisted so that Abhisit made the fake himself.

Yes.

And if you would have followed my posts here you would have seen that in no post have i denied that the recording was manufactured. It is proven beyond doubt that the recording was clearly manufactured.

What i argue here is the mistaken conclusion that the tape might have necessarily came from the Red Shirts themselves. There are many other possibilities of factions on all sides of the conflict who have vested interests in escalation, and who have brought this into circulation.

And I wasn't even being entirely serious . The mind boggles.

The comprehension of a written text seems to be a form of art nowadays. Yes, the mind boggles indeed.

No, i neither wear a red shirt, nor have i suggested that Abhisit has manufactured the recording himself. There are more factions playing in Thailand than just Red Shirts and Abhisit.

[justanothercybertosser]

According to the latest news from Thai press, the Dem Spokesman has just come out and stated they've traced the origin of the audio file. They have found that the doctored audio file was originated from one the Thaksin's companies called "SC". The audio file was then emailed to PTP's headquarters...and from there they sent it out to the media. I think this should be reported by Thailand's English language media shortly.

Also last night during the House debate on the budget, there seemed to have been a concerted effort by the PTP's MP part to play the doctored file in the house while the whole thing was being televised. Hmmmm....

And i would take any bet that after much politicizing this so called proof after years in the court the issue will be simply forgotten, because this might be about as manufactured as the recording itself.

[ThNiner]

Meanwhile, "E Too" Jatuporn Prompan has publically accused the Army of being the one who's doctored the audio file and then released it to the public. Of course, "E Too" has a very impressive history of honesty and integrity considering coutless things E Too said on the aftermath of Black Songkran (hundreds of reds killed, reds never caused violence, Abhisit staged his own assassination scene etc etc.)

[animatic]

Accusing the Red Shirts without having clear proof is about as ugly as manufacturing the recording.

Abhisit doesn't need a clear proof that he didn't say any of those things he is accused of. He was there.

And the proof that there was no violent clearing of people,

no 100's killed being the lie Thaksin got caught internationally

spewing on 2 or more TV networks.

Why order the army to something horrendous and not have it happen?

Accusing someone of editing the audio, is what was said,

even as some others might or might not benefit from general upheaval,

the only CLEAR as sunlight winner of a grand upheaval is Thaksin,

it is the ONLY way he can win... and WINNING is all he seems to live for these days.

In this age of sound bites and tweets as our information sources,

context is a rare and valuable commodity.

But general over arching benefits to one side or another can be teased from the jumble.

The cream and the crap both float to the top. Ignore what's too far below

[animatic]

Meanwhile, "E Too" Jatuporn Prompan has publically accused the Army of being the one who's doctored the audio file and then released it to the public. Of course, "E Too" has a very impressive history of honesty and integrity considering coutless things E Too said on the aftermath of Black Songkran (hundreds of reds killed, reds never caused violence, Abhisit staged his own assassination scene etc etc.)

That would be E Too Brutish.

Can we have Ides of March in September?

Why yes we can.

Ides

The 15th day of March, May, July, or October

or the 13th day of the other months in the ancient Roman calendar.

I suspect we must 'Beware the Ides of October' in Bangkok.

Edited August 28, 2009 by animatic

[ThNiner]

According to the latest news from Thai press, the Dem Spokesman has just come out and stated they've traced the origin of the audio file. They have found that the doctored audio file was originated from one the Thaksin's companies called "SC". The audio file was then emailed to PTP's headquarters...and from there they sent it out to the media. I think this should be reported by Thailand's English language media shortly.

Also last night during the House debate on the budget, there seemed to have been a concerted effort by the PTP's MP part to play the doctored file in the house while the whole thing was being televised. Hmmmm....

And i would take any bet that after much politicizing this so called proof after years in the court the issue will be simply forgotten, because this might be about as manufactured as the recording itself.

Why couldn't you just wait to see the evidence from the Dems' side first before jumping to your foregone conclusion that the pro-democracy peace-loving non-Thaksin related Red angels would never ever do this?

[ThNiner]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/08/28...cs_30110940.php

Doctored clip linked to firm close to Thaksin family

By The Nation

The doctored audio clip related to the Songkran mayhem has its origin at SC Asset, a property development company run by Yingluck Shinawatra, sister of ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra, Democrat Party spokesman Buranaj Smutharaks said on Friday.

[justanothercybertosser]

Why couldn't you just wait to see the evidence from the Dems' side first before jumping to your foregone conclusion that the pro-democracy peace-loving non-Thaksin related Red angels would never ever do this?

Because the Democrats can say a lot. The issue will be decided in a court of law. And that needs solid evidence, and not just statements of spokesmen of political parties, who are chosen because of the expertise in spins, and not because they have sworn an oath of being truthful in everything they state.

If you look at my posts, i have not excluded the Red Shirts, but have pointed out that there are more than a few equally plausible factions that have vested interests in an escalation. It is not that this would be a first, if you remember the image of Suthep and Newin with the Blue Shirts...

The only ones with foregone conclusions are the ones that need to pin it to the Red Shirts without one solid bit of evidence, only very circumstantial bits and pieces (or do you suddenly believe you know more than the rest of us?), or a judgment by a court.

[mc2]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/08/28...cs_30110940.php

Doctored clip linked to firm close to Thaksin family

By The Nation

The doctored audio clip related to the Songkran mayhem has its origin at SC Asset, a property development company run by Yingluck Shinawatra, sister of ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra, Democrat Party spokesman Buranaj Smutharaks said on Friday.

haha .... so says the......... "democrat party spokesman"

those guys have zero credibility and zero integrity

[Insight]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/08/28...cs_30110940.php

Doctored clip linked to firm close to Thaksin family

By The Nation

The doctored audio clip related to the Songkran mayhem has its origin at SC Asset, a property development company run by Yingluck Shinawatra, sister of ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra, Democrat Party spokesman Buranaj Smutharaks said on Friday.

haha .... so says the......... "democrat party spokesman"

those guys have zero credibility and zero integrity

Off-topic, but are you going to the circus this weekend?

[cougar52]

Accusing the Red Shirts without having clear proof is about as ugly as manufacturing the recording.

Abhisit doesn't need a clear proof that he didn't say any of those things he is accused of. He was there.

Hear hear, I also remember than Khun Newin was there and the Dept. P.M. was there also, and if I remember correctly, the DPM saying that the blue shirts were not with Newin and are only local people to help the Government who had over 8,000 police and army there to turn back less than 2,000 Red Shirts.

Then a few weeks later it is discovered that they are in leagues with Newin and the Government.

What such Bull from both sides, and what you all are doing is destroying the little bit of sanity left in the Country. Even the beloved K*ng is asking for everyone to quit destroying the beautiful land.

[TAWP]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/08/28...cs_30110940.php

Doctored clip linked to firm close to Thaksin family

By The Nation

The doctored audio clip related to the Songkran mayhem has its origin at SC Asset, a property development company run by Yingluck Shinawatra, sister of ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra, Democrat Party spokesman Buranaj Smutharaks said on Friday.

haha .... so says the......... "democrat party spokesman"

those guys have zero credibility and zero integrity

Much like the squarehead you have as an avatar then...

[webfact]

-- The Nation 2009/08/28

[animatic]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/08/28...cs_30110940.php

Doctored clip linked to firm close to Thaksin family

By The Nation

The doctored audio clip related to the Songkran mayhem has its origin at SC Asset, a property development company run by Yingluck Shinawatra, sister of ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra, Democrat Party spokesman Buranaj Smutharaks said on Friday.

haha .... so says the......... "democrat party spokesman"

those guys have zero credibility and zero integrity

Actually some audio files DO maintain data coding referencing the machine andmachine OWNER NAME that they were created and saved on.

Depends on the software. Could well be in this case, the editor either forgot to clear the file data,

or didn't know it was there. Oops!

Integrity is in short supply in Land Of Shinola.

But considering the Dems tend to fall on their swords for the good of the country

and clear their own office quickly when accused, rather than stonewall and block,

indicates that their integrity is much higher than any TRT PPP PTP pol yet witnessed.

And light years beyond red leaders claims of veracity.

Sweet Yingluk in the mire deeply now. Shoulda stayed aloof and ignored big bro.

Edited August 28, 2009 by animatic

[brahmburgers]

This sort of juvenile posturing by the Reds is done to try to trick the Thai public to get behind their cause. If things go awry, as they have with this recording, the Red Shirts will always have a slew of excuses, and unscrupulous ways to try and wiggle out of the messes they create.

It looks increasingly likely the spurious recording was heavily doctored, and done by people close to Thaksin. Yet, Red Shirt supporters can try to wheedle out of anything if they so choose. It's not unlike Koo's outlook, who justifies all of the harmful things the Reds have ever done.

As for the possibility that Abhisit's people themselves - would patch together a damning recording of his voice and then pass it to Red leadership to splash all over the place?!? Well, that would be a completely farcial way to try and gain advantage in this game. For those who believe it's a Democrat's ruse to make the Reds look bad - that sort of twisted thinking could only come from die-hard Red apologists.

I've resided in Thailand longer than 1/4 of Thais. I feel for Thailand, and it troubles me there are Red Shirt leaders out there that will stop at nothing to try and further their harmful agenda. They're like a pack of gerbils constantly nipping at the feet of a horse, trying to bring it down.

[TAWP]

Actually some audio files DO maintain data coding referencing the machine andmachine OWNER NAME that they were created and saved on.

Depends on the software. Could well be in this case, the editor either forgot to clear the file data,

or didn't know it was there. Oops!

Funny story, google for Microsoft [employee] using a cracked version of SoundForge to edit some of the sounds shipped in XP.

The app [in question] puts it's thumbprint in the wav-file together with reg-info.

[Rumfoord]

Accusing the Red Shirts without having clear proof is about as ugly as manufacturing the recording.

Abhisit doesn't need a clear proof that he didn't say any of those things he is accused of. He was there.

Yes.

And if you would have followed my posts here you would have seen that in no post have i denied that the recording was manufactured. It is proven beyond doubt that the recording was clearly manufactured.

What i argue here is the mistaken conclusion that the tape might have necessarily came from the Red Shirts themselves. There are many other possibilities of factions on all sides of the conflict who have vested interests in escalation, and who have brought this into circulation.

If you believe Abhisit you don't need to read any of those things some heretic maybe had not said at all. Abhisit was somewhere.

ps. from The Bangkok Post about this case and the consequences an email forward could bear:

Atthawit Suwanpaksi, the Democrat deputy spokesman, said forwarding false information is a violation of Article 94 of the Political Party Act and this could lead to a party dissolution. The Democrat Party will meet to decide on future action, he said.

...

The website that released the audio clip had already been shut down, Information and Communications Technology Minister Ranongrak Suwanchawee said. She had ordered its closure. When asked whether it the sound clip had been edited to alter its meaning, the ICT minister said it was the responsibility of forensic science officials to find out. She stressed that stringent legal action under the computer crime law would be taken against all those who forwarded the email containing the audio track.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/1...om-thaksin-firm