Withdraw Wife's Sponsership.... Possible?

[cookstar]

hello,

just wandering if anyone can give me some advice,

my thai wife moved to england with me 18 months ago over the last 6 months the marraige has broken down and we are no longer living together, i do not want her to remain in the country after her visa finishes in 6 months time, i just want to know what i need to do to withdraw my sponsership for her visa and possibly make it impossible for her to get indefinate leave to remain in the u.k.

would writing a letter to the home office informing them we are no longer living together and the marraige has broken down help my cause in any way?

i'm not bitter towards my wife and i just want to get over her and get on with my life, although i will find it extremely hard to do this when she is living near me.

any help with this situation would be greatly appreciated, i do not require any advice on relationships or the like, so just answers related to the question please

thanks alot.

[snuggzzz]

hello,

just wandering if anyone can give me some advice,

my thai wife moved to england with me 18 months ago over the last 6 months the marraige has broken down and we are no longer living together, i do not want her to remain in the country after her visa finishes in 6 months time, i just want to know what i need to do to withdraw my sponsership for her visa and possibly make it impossible for her to get indefinate leave to remain in the u.k.

would writing a letter to the home office informing them we are no longer living together and the marraige has broken down help my cause in any way?

i'm not bitter towards my wife and i just want to get over her and get on with my life, although i will find it extremely hard to do this when she is living near me.

any help with this situation would be greatly appreciated, i do not require any advice on relationships or the like, so just answers related to the question please

thanks alot.

I take it she entered on a fiancee or married visa. Is she still living with you...?? Only she does have rights in the event of divorce proceedings. So withdrawing your support as sponsor will not necessarily result in her deportation.

[sumrit]

hello,

just wandering if anyone can give me some advice,

my thai wife moved to england with me 18 months ago over the last 6 months the marraige has broken down and we are no longer living together, i do not want her to remain in the country after her visa finishes in 6 months time, i just want to know what i need to do to withdraw my sponsership for her visa and possibly make it impossible for her to get indefinate leave to remain in the u.k.

would writing a letter to the home office informing them we are no longer living together and the marraige has broken down help my cause in any way?

i'm not bitter towards my wife and i just want to get over her and get on with my life, although i will find it extremely hard to do this when she is living near me.

any help with this situation would be greatly appreciated, i do not require any advice on relationships or the like, so just answers related to the question please

thanks alot.

For her to get ILR she must show, amongst other things, that you are still living together as husband and wife. She can't show that without your support so she won't get it, unless she can show that the marriage broke down because you were violent/abusive towards her. But a letter from you to immigration as well, explaining the current situation wouldn't do you any harm.

However she is allowed to stay in the UK until her current visa expires, you can't have her sent back to Thailand before then.

Edited September 26, 2009 by sumrit

[cookstar]

yes , i am aware that she will be able to see her visa out, and yes she did enter on a marraige visa.

we are not currently residing together and haven't been so for the past 3 months.

i have never been abusive or violent to her, but i am aware she could use this against me to try and stay here and i wouldn't put it past her, thats why i thought it might be a good idea to send a letter to the home office now explaining the situation so she can't suddenly come up with some bullshit at the last minute.

does anybody now the exact authorities i should be notifying?

thanks for the info so far. appreciated.

[CharlieB]

yes , i am aware that she will be able to see her visa out, and yes she did enter on a marraige visa.

we are not currently residing together and haven't been so for the past 3 months.

i have never been abusive or violent to her, but i am aware she could use this against me to try and stay here and i wouldn't put it past her, thats why i thought it might be a good idea to send a letter to the home office now explaining the situation so she can't suddenly come up with some bullshit at the last minute.

does anybody now the exact authorities i should be notifying?

thanks for the info so far. appreciated.

The address for the Home Office's Border Agency Immigration Enquiry Bureau is:

UK Border Agency, Lunar House, 40 Wellesley Road, Croydon, Surrey CR9 2BY

[philw]

hello,

just wandering if anyone can give me some advice,

my thai wife moved to england with me 18 months ago over the last 6 months the marraige has broken down and we are no longer living together, i do not want her to remain in the country after her visa finishes in 6 months time, i just want to know what i need to do to withdraw my sponsership for her visa and possibly make it impossible for her to get indefinate leave to remain in the u.k.

would writing a letter to the home office informing them we are no longer living together and the marraige has broken down help my cause in any way?

i'm not bitter towards my wife and i just want to get over her and get on with my life, although i will find it extremely hard to do this when she is living near me.

any help with this situation would be greatly appreciated, i do not require any advice on relationships or the like, so just answers related to the question please

thanks alot.

" i do not want her to remain in the country"

Purely hypothetical, but what if it was the other way around ?

A Thai person asking advice as to how to get his/her partner removed from Thailand ?

philw

[robblok]

hello,

just wandering if anyone can give me some advice,

my thai wife moved to england with me 18 months ago over the last 6 months the marraige has broken down and we are no longer living together, i do not want her to remain in the country after her visa finishes in 6 months time, i just want to know what i need to do to withdraw my sponsership for her visa and possibly make it impossible for her to get indefinate leave to remain in the u.k.

would writing a letter to the home office informing them we are no longer living together and the marraige has broken down help my cause in any way?

i'm not bitter towards my wife and i just want to get over her and get on with my life, although i will find it extremely hard to do this when she is living near me.

any help with this situation would be greatly appreciated, i do not require any advice on relationships or the like, so just answers related to the question please

thanks alot.

" i do not want her to remain in the country"

Purely hypothetical, but what if it was the other way around ?

A Thai person asking advice as to how to get his/her partner removed from Thailand ?

philw

There would be an outrage.. and rightly so. I don't condone what the OP is doing. I had a Thai wife that i brought to Holland, after the divorce she remained and now i live in Thailand and she lives in Belgium. I would say its only civil to help her if you can, but not if it costs you extra money.

[Eff1n2ret]

There would be an outrage.. and rightly so. I don't condone what the OP is doing. I had a Thai wife that i brought to Holland, after the divorce she remained and now i live in Thailand and she lives in Belgium. I would say its only civil to help her if you can, but not if it costs you extra money.

The decision about whether or not the lady remains in the UK rests with the UK Border Agency, and the OP is under a duty to report any change in circumstances. He also would be breaking the law if he made a false declaration on an ILR application. Having reported, it's not his business whether or not she is allowed to stay. In reality the situation is no different from Thailand, except that there the parties to the marriage have to submit evidence of its continuation annually in perpetuity. If the Thai authorities declined to renew an 'O' spouse visa, the falang would have to qualify on some other basis, or leave.

[7by7]

As already said all you can do is inform the UKBA of her change in circumstances. When her current LTR expires she will need your cooperation to extend it, unless she is the victim of domestic violence.

i have never been abusive or violent to her, but i am aware she could use this against me to try and stay here and i wouldn't put it past her

To follow the domestic violence route to stay in the UK her word would not be enough. She would need to provide evidence; e.g. police reports, medical reports.

[KickJixenberg]

hello,

just wandering if anyone can give me some advice,

my thai wife moved to england with me 18 months ago over the last 6 months the marraige has broken down and we are no longer living together, i do not want her to remain in the country after her visa finishes in 6 months time, i just want to know what i need to do to withdraw my sponsership for her visa and possibly make it impossible for her to get indefinate leave to remain in the u.k.

would writing a letter to the home office informing them we are no longer living together and the marraige has broken down help my cause in any way?

i'm not bitter towards my wife and i just want to get over her and get on with my life, although i will find it extremely hard to do this when she is living near me.

any help with this situation would be greatly appreciated, i do not require any advice on relationships or the like, so just answers related to the question please

thanks alot.

This is too funny Cookstar is trying to get his wife out of the UK, and Mercury is desperately trying to get his wife (I mean cook/cleaner/house maid) into the UK ... You crazy guys ....

[rolypie]

no doubt she is now in a little thai girl click who are advising her every move bite the bullet, her visa will run out and she will have to go back without your help simples!!!!

[a99az]

hello,

just wandering if anyone can give me some advice,

my thai wife moved to england with me 18 months ago over the last 6 months the marraige has broken down and we are no longer living together, i do not want her to remain in the country after her visa finishes in 6 months time, i just want to know what i need to do to withdraw my sponsership for her visa and possibly make it impossible for her to get indefinate leave to remain in the u.k.

would writing a letter to the home office informing them we are no longer living together and the marraige has broken down help my cause in any way?

i'm not bitter towards my wife and i just want to get over her and get on with my life, although i will find it extremely hard to do this when she is living near me.

any help with this situation would be greatly appreciated, i do not require any advice on relationships or the like, so just answers related to the question please

thanks alot.

If you are as you say, not bitter towards your wife, why then do you not leave her to live her life how and where she likes.

[cookstar]

basically rolypie, you have hit the nail on the head, she's has moved in with some of her thai mates, and they are advising her on what she should be doing, i knew things would turn out this way when she started making friends with other thai girls in England but i was unable to stop her being influenced by them.

i will write my letter to the home office today explaining the change of circumstances, and i think after xmas i will return to LOS and wait for her visa to finish in may so we can get divorced in BKK, i do not want to stay in england whilst she is here, if we are not together.

the reason i do not want her to stay here is purely because we've been together for 5 years and i do still love and care about her and i couldn't stand to hear from people about what she's up to or who they've seen her with and so forth, call it me being selfish but it would be so much easier for me to get over her if she left the country.

thanks for the address CharlieB

[cookstar]

also just another quick question if anyone has any experience of divorcing in thailand i am aware that she is entitled to 50% of anything gained after the marraige (i believe this to be true please tell me if i am wrong) but i do not have any property in my name and all i have is my savings, would it be possible to literally give all my money to someone until after the divorce then have them put it back in my bank after the divorce? i don't have alot of cash left after all the costs i've had to pay for getting my wifes visa and living in thailand with her over the past 5 years so all the money i have is what i have managed to save over the last year which is money i would like to keep hold of.

thanks alot

[robblok]

also just another quick question if anyone has any experience of divorcing in thailand i am aware that she is entitled to 50% of anything gained after the marraige (i believe this to be true please tell me if i am wrong) but i do not have any property in my name and all i have is my savings, would it be possible to literally give all my money to someone until after the divorce then have them put it back in my bank after the divorce? i don't have alot of cash left after all the costs i've had to pay for getting my wifes visa and living in thailand with her over the past 5 years so all the money i have is what i have managed to save over the last year which is money i would like to keep hold of.

thanks alot

That would be fraud and i hope they catch you. Your scamming your wife. Every guy here would be furious if it was the other way around, wonder how many condem this.

[KickJixenberg]

also just another quick question if anyone has any experience of divorcing in thailand i am aware that she is entitled to 50% of anything gained after the marraige (i believe this to be true please tell me if i am wrong) but i do not have any property in my name and all i have is my savings, would it be possible to literally give all my money to someone until after the divorce then have them put it back in my bank after the divorce? i don't have alot of cash left after all the costs i've had to pay for getting my wifes visa and living in thailand with her over the past 5 years so all the money i have is what i have managed to save over the last year which is money i would like to keep hold of.

thanks alot

That would be fraud and i hope they catch you. Your scamming your wife. Every guy here would be furious if it was the other way around, wonder how many condem this.

Certainly not me. Hope you can hide the lot from her - good luck. Hey, she probably came with nothing, so she can leave with nothing. I am guessing once she was in the UK she didn't get herself a job and contribute to his savings did she. - I am guessing a real fat chance of 'no' for that one. Take your money out of the bank and hide it under you pillow. Better still say you lost it all gambling.

[nidhogg]

also just another quick question if anyone has any experience of divorcing in thailand i am aware that she is entitled to 50% of anything gained after the marraige (i believe this to be true please tell me if i am wrong) but i do not have any property in my name and all i have is my savings, would it be possible to literally give all my money to someone until after the divorce then have them put it back in my bank after the divorce? i don't have alot of cash left after all the costs i've had to pay for getting my wifes visa and living in thailand with her over the past 5 years so all the money i have is what i have managed to save over the last year which is money i would like to keep hold of.

thanks alot

So, you took her away from her life, family, friends and culture with who knows what promises, and now you want shot of her without a dime.

Sounds as though she might be the lucky one to be shot of you.

[sumrit]

also just another quick question if anyone has any experience of divorcing in thailand i am aware that she is entitled to 50% of anything gained after the marraige (i believe this to be true please tell me if i am wrong) but i do not have any property in my name and all i have is my savings, would it be possible to literally give all my money to someone until after the divorce then have them put it back in my bank after the divorce? i don't have alot of cash left after all the costs i've had to pay for getting my wifes visa and living in thailand with her over the past 5 years so all the money i have is what i have managed to save over the last year which is money i would like to keep hold of.

thanks alot

If you married in Thailand you can divorce in Thailand or the UK, if you married in the UK you must divorce in the UK. Divorce in Thailand is free and can be completed in less than an hour at an Amphur, providing you both agree to everything. If you can't agree you have to go through the courts, employing solicitors, in the same way as the UK. Any money, property etc owned before the marriage remains with that person (unless otherwise agreed upon) but, as you say, you are both entitled to 50% of any wealth gained during the marriage (unless a different split is agreed), although this only applies to what you own in Thailand, not what either of you have anywhere else in the world. Of course you both have to agree to everything to get divorced in this way so, unless she's stupid, if she knows you've got some money she's not going to go back to Thailand and agree to an Amphur divorce without a little compensation, whether she's legally entitled to it or not.

[ChangMaiSausage]

Interesting post and I would side with cookstar re. savings etc.....

Robblok without knowing the exact details of the breakup I dont see how you can defend the wife with every post? What if she was sleeping about / stealing etc........

I do believe Cookstar should provide her a money pay off if the divorce takes place in Thailand.

[hgvneil]

To anyone reading this who is getting ready to move to their home country with their Thai wife,girlfriend.

Be very careful what ,FRIENDS,your partner makes with other Thais.From experience and probably from many others,this can bring problems to your relationship due to ,FRIENDS,getting involved with your lives and causing arguements.I dont know why but it always happens.

My friends who where in UK and awiting our return to England called me and said , we just met some nice waitress in the new Thai resturant in town,we told her about you and your wife coming to England for first time,she gave us her phone number, i told my wife thinking great she got a friend already and we not arrived yet,but my wife wasnt interested.Most guys may think it will be good to have friends for your partner to eat,chat with,but be warned.

After our first year she got some mates,we had the arguements to the point where i had to tell some mentally deranged Thai woman who came knocking on our door,to fuc_k off and find a doctor,in thai so she got the message.

We been in UK now 8 years,2 kids,never any arguements,both working and all good.She knows a lot of the thai women in our town,she is polite will stop and say hello,quick chat in the street but thats it.No phoning or going round for gossip,food. She even got a new sim to get rid of old contacts.She does have good friendship with chinese,malaysian woman who is a lovely lady and Spanish,indian,polish,turkish friends but no Thais,and thats the way she wants it.

[potter09]

also just another quick question if anyone has any experience of divorcing in thailand i am aware that she is entitled to 50% of anything gained after the marraige (i believe this to be true please tell me if i am wrong) but i do not have any property in my name and all i have is my savings, would it be possible to literally give all my money to someone until after the divorce then have them put it back in my bank after the divorce? i don't have alot of cash left after all the costs i've had to pay for getting my wifes visa and living in thailand with her over the past 5 years so all the money i have is what i have managed to save over the last year which is money i would like to keep hold of.

thanks alot

You can start divorce proceedings in the UK rather than in Thailand. If you have been married for less than 2 years(and no children),it would be a lot easier and also most unlikely the 'standard' 50/50 asset/investment sharing formula(under English jurisdiction) would be applicable. I am not aware of the basis for division of assets under Thai law, particularly after a short marriage.

[robblok]

Interesting post and I would side with cookstar re. savings etc.....

Robblok without knowing the exact details of the breakup I dont see how you can defend the wife with every post? What if she was sleeping about / stealing etc........

I do believe Cookstar should provide her a money pay off if the divorce takes place in Thailand.

Im just thinking how i would feel if i were forced out of Thailand because my ex does not want me here. Its called empathy. Also if you get married you know the rules and then cheating someone out of their right is bad. First the guy asks how to get rid of her then he asks how to cheat her, doesnt sound like someone nice.

I was married once.. left my Thai wife in Holland and she did a lot more then cheating, i did not like paying but it was the law. Sometimes the law protects sometimes it does not but now he is trying to swindle someone out of their right. I just dont think that is fair.

Just for the guys who really live here.. how would you feel if you were deported because your ex gf wants you out of the country.

[james1974]

i know theres 2 sides to every story so the right and wrong aspect is for himself to do what he feels right.

If she is on a 2 year settlement visa and it is canceld with the home office she has to leave imediatly no ifs or buts. she cant stay out the length of the visa she won't have one its been cancelled.

Also the conditions of the visa is she resides at the home address if she is not she is in breach of the conditions of the visa. The reason it is 2 years is to stop this from happening after a while split up and she stays in england they want to see that it is a strong relationship for 2 years anyway and not just a ticket into england.

So you have to understand is it right for her to go and have new boyfiends etc and expect him to do the visa next year lying commiting a criminal offence by saying they are still together and she resides at the home address. (would she do it for you?)

If he can deal with that then fine but if not thats life she will need to return home. I picked up on the friends bit if they have been here a while they should have told what would happen if the visa was cancelled she may then of tried a little bitter harder for a while anyway.

[robblok]

i know theres 2 sides to every story so the right and wrong aspect is for himself to do what he feels right.

If she is on a 2 year settlement visa and it is canceld with the home office she has to leave imediatly no ifs or buts. she cant stay out the length of the visa she won't have one its been cancelled.

Also the conditions of the visa is she resides at the home address if she is not she is in breach of the conditions of the visa. The reason it is 2 years is to stop this from happening after a while split up and she stays in england they want to see that it is a strong relationship for 2 years anyway and not just a ticket into england.

So you have to understand is it right for her to go and have new boyfiends etc and expect him to do the visa next year lying commiting a criminal offence by saying they are still together and she resides at the home address. (would she do it for you?)

If he can deal with that then fine but if not thats life she will need to return home. I picked up on the friends bit if they have been here a while they should have told what would happen if the visa was cancelled she may then of tried a little bitter harder for a while anyway.

I agree that if its required by law to report this and if that results in her deportation then its ok with me. But its a different ball game if we are talking about finding ways to deport her when its not needed.

Then in a later post the guy asks for ways to defraud the girl out of money she is entitled too by law.. the guy seems like a person with high morals to me.

Sounds more that he tries to get her out of England in a way to pay as lil as possible, (i agree with that as long as its lawful)

[james1974]

i know theres 2 sides to every story so the right and wrong aspect is for himself to do what he feels right.

If she is on a 2 year settlement visa and it is canceld with the home office she has to leave imediatly no ifs or buts. she cant stay out the length of the visa she won't have one its been cancelled.

Also the conditions of the visa is she resides at the home address if she is not she is in breach of the conditions of the visa. The reason it is 2 years is to stop this from happening after a while split up and she stays in england they want to see that it is a strong relationship for 2 years anyway and not just a ticket into england.

So you have to understand is it right for her to go and have new boyfiends etc and expect him to do the visa next year lying commiting a criminal offence by saying they are still together and she resides at the home address. (would she do it for you?)

If he can deal with that then fine but if not thats life she will need to return home. I picked up on the friends bit if they have been here a while they should have told what would happen if the visa was cancelled she may then of tried a little bitter harder for a while anyway.

I agree that if its required by law to report this and if that results in her deportation then its ok with me. But its a different ball game if we are talking about finding ways to deport her when its not needed.

Then in a later post the guy asks for ways to defraud the girl out of money she is entitled too by law.. the guy seems like a person with high morals to me.

Sounds more that he tries to get her out of England in a way to pay as lil as possible, (i agree with that as long as its lawful)

Yes i guess theres always bitterness if you are the one that still loves the other one. What shes entiled to she deserves she has given up her life for him at some point so she should get something but personally i think its a big ask if your partner wants you to pretend to still be with you and she does what she wants has new boyfirends and you still love her.

Myself he says he is going to go back to los so thats what i would do go and spend some time first thinks whats the right thing to do if they had kids then it would be simple she should stay but this doesn't seem the case. You never know you might meet another girl and fall in love again and when that happens ex's mean nothing until then i think you will always be bitter so get your suitcase packed and get to los.

One day you will look back and laugh so don't do anything drastic until you have had a few months on the beach if that doesn't cure you your f**ked lol.

[Lopburi99]

I tried to get my ex-Thai_wife_from_hell deported from the States when the extent of her scam became evident (which included lying on her Visa application) and when she was cheating in my face. ICE (Immigration Crimes Enforcement) was too busy "working on more important matters" to investigate my case, which I could understand. So I told her I was buying tickets for her and the boys to return to Thailand. At first she said OK, but then changed her mind not wanting to come back broke and having to explain to everybody what happened. So I said, fine, but your bfs can take care of you, not me. And they did. She's still there last I heard.

Edited September 28, 2009 by Lopburi99

[robblok]

I tried to get my ex-Thai_wife_from_hell deported from the States when the extent of her scam became evident (which included lying on her Visa application) and when she was cheating in my face. ICE (Immigration Crimes Enforcement) was too busy "working on more important matters" to investigate my case, which I could understand. So I told her I was buying tickets for her and the boys to return to Thailand. At first she said OK, but then changed her mind not wanting to come back broke and having to explain to everybody what happened. So I said, fine, but your bfs can take care of you, not me. And they did. She's still there last I heard.

My ex from hel_l is still Europe too, i have no hard feeling anymore but she did really bad things. Anyway I even stayed married a lil bit later just too make sure she could stay. I should not have done that because it cost me a bit more money. But im sure else her lawyer would have tried to delay things. Anyway there is a difference between using the law rightfully to get someone out of a country or just trying to deport her to get rid of her. That is the whole point im making here. Also i dont think its good for the guy to cheat her out of what she is entiteld too, she will be broke too when back in Thailand.

[cookstar]

not being funny robblok,

but you've no clue as to what has happened in my relationship so please don't give your opinion on it, your telling me i'm trying to defraud my wife.....no, thats not true i've spend thousands upon thousands of pounds on my wife and my relationship and i'm not some rich old bloke thats got plently of money, i have to graft everyday for every penny i earn and after losing so much money and heartache on this marraige all i want to do is keep the small amount of money i've managed to save up this year, instead of losing everything, is that too much to ask? maybe in your world, i should hand it over with a smile, i did like the bit where you said your wife done some really bad things to you but you stayed married to her so she could stay in your country, clever move mate, you sound like a smart man. lol oh well, as long as your happy. lol

[Mossfinn]

However she is allowed to stay in the UK until her current visa expires, you can't have her sent back to Thailand before then.

The decision about whether or not the lady remains in the UK rests with the UK Border Agency, and the OP is under a duty to report any change in circumstances.

As already said all you can do is inform the UKBA of her change in circumstances. When her current LTR expires she will need your cooperation to extend it,

If we ignore all the conjecture, and wanton accusation, where exactly are we with the points I have highlighted.

I was under the impression if someone was here on a specific visa and the reasons no longer applied for its issue, it could be withdrawn, however it would be unlikely to be pursued, at this stage.

Or is it more likely that when the current LTR expires, it just wouldn't be renewed and you will either leave of your own accord, be removed, or be illegal.

Anyone make it clearer for me?

[robblok]

not being funny robblok,

but you've no clue as to what has happened in my relationship so please don't give your opinion on it, your telling me i'm trying to defraud my wife.....no, thats not true i've spend thousands upon thousands of pounds on my wife and my relationship and i'm not some rich old bloke thats got plently of money, i have to graft everyday for every penny i earn and after losing so much money and heartache on this marraige all i want to do is keep the small amount of money i've managed to save up this year, instead of losing everything, is that too much to ask? maybe in your world, i should hand it over with a smile, i did like the bit where you said your wife done some really bad things to you but you stayed married to her so she could stay in your country, clever move mate, you sound like a smart man. lol oh well, as long as your happy. lol

There were kids involved, who were innocent that is why i made that move. (not my kids but hers who i cared for). All i am saying is she has a right to half that money, im also not a rich man but i gave her what she was entitled too. She will have to start over too not just you, and it is defrauding if you try to exclude possessions from a marriage settlement where she is entitled too.

I understand where you were coming from i was like you but i payed up because it was the law and not only me but she had to start over again too. She is entiteld by it by right of mariage.. if try to avoid that its called fraud. You can sugar coat it but that is what your doing its a crime. Im not saying anything if its moral or not, its just her right if you like it or not.