Thaksin Says Abhisit Has No Leadership

[Siripon]

The "100" channels are actually 2 and the O channel consists of a couple of short youtube-like video clips while the Clever channel is a couple of videos of badly-instructed English classes. Not exactly "channels," but he shows such great leadership by launching such a huge undertaking.

The Clever channel compares very unfavourably to the Tutor Channel of the Democrats shown on Sat morning on NBT with its audience of students from local schools and lively teachers such as Ajarn Ping.

Regarding leadership, don't expect Thaksin to head to Cambodia anytime soon. no doubt he notes the fates of 2 other criminals on the run, Kamnan Por and Wattana, both holed up in Cambodia and at Hun Sen's whim, ie pay me what I want or I'll send you back to Thailand.

Moe bluster from the reds-'We'll overthrow the government soon''.

And did Chavalit really say he understood why the Burmese generals imprisoned Aung San?! Just after the ex Khmer Rouge freedom fighter Hun Sen had compared Thaksin to her?! Not forgetting Thaksin's own words in the past when he said the same, namely he understood why the junta imprisoned her.

The reds have very serious leadership problems!!

[animatic]

Amnesties for all regardless of crimes or actions... there goes the Rule Of law.

To state the obvious, you of course misquote/misrepresent what I specified.

Amnesties are rare - and tend to happen only in very exceptional circumstances which are seen as calling for trumping the normal "Rule of Law" in order to "move on" past an impasse...... e.g. post-apartheid South Africa, Northern Ireland etc. Always controversial and objected to by some - but the justification is what is seen as the greater good.

Ah so you fall into the trap.

Perhaps I was quoting another...

Sooooo, By adding the word POLITICAL it is OK to throw out the rule of law,

but remove it and crimes are still crimes. Righty O!

The impasse is caused by some old school pols not liking certain laws that limit their ability

to use graft as a daily method of enrichment. A long history of this crew doing this is public record.

Ignoring the rule of law only exacerbates the basic cause of all this trouble.

So you are equating the 70 years of Ireland's "Troubles" to Thailand's political impasse now?

You mean Thaksin is one kind of Buddhist godhead, and Abjhisit is from another sect?

Or the fight by Mandela and his supporters in South Arfrica

to Thaksin and the Redshirts fight for his power and money?

Maybe a trifle closer of you say rich Chinese Thais and poor native Thais,

still quite a stretch.

How wonderfully ironic of you. You forgot 'The Lady' In Yangoon too.

Thaksin can't compare to her though, he hasn't got the balls.

[Steve2UK]

Amnesties for all regardless of crimes or actions... there goes the Rule Of law.

To state the obvious, you of course misquote/misrepresent what I specified.

Amnesties are rare - and tend to happen only in very exceptional circumstances which are seen as calling for trumping the normal "Rule of Law" in order to "move on" past an impasse...... e.g. post-apartheid South Africa, Northern Ireland etc. Always controversial and objected to by some - but the justification is what is seen as the greater good.

Ah so you fall into the trap.

Perhaps I was quoting another...

Sooooo, By adding the word POLITICAL it is OK to throw out the rule of law,

but remove it and crimes are still crimes. Righty O!

The impasse is caused by some old school pols not liking certain laws that limit their ability

to use graft as a daily method of enrichment. A long history of this crew doing this is public record.

Ignoring the rule of law only exacerbates the basic cause of all this trouble.

So you are equating the 70 years of Ireland's "Troubles" to Thailand's political impasse now?

You mean Thaksin is one kind of Buddhist godhead, and Abjhisit is from another sect?

Or the fight by Mandela and his supporters in South Arfrica

to Thaksin and the Redshirts fight for his power and money?

Maybe a trifle closer of you say rich Chinese Thais and poor native Thais,

still quite a stretch.

How wonderfully ironic of you. You forgot 'The Lady' In Yangoon too.

Thaksin can't compare to her though, he hasn't got the balls.

Which "trap" would that be - and to what purpose? Which "another" might you have been "quoting"? You reproduce part of my post and then sally off on a tack based on something I didn't say - which leads one to wonder why you bother quoting any of my post. More of the same reductio ad absurdum/straw man-style gambit with your "So you are equating....... etc" stuff. I try to choose my words carefully - and don't equate the examples as you try to suggest. The South Africa and Northern Ireland examples "equate" only in that they were both instances where entirely pragmatic, hard-nosed decisions were (albeit reluctantly) taken to set aside/override existing laws in order to deal with exceptional situations. That IMO is the one common factor in true amnesties of this type. Other than the fact the Burmese junta has been cited as using the word "amnesty"* to describe their alteration of ASSK's recent sentence, I have no idea why you then choose to drag "'The Lady' In Yangoon" into this - unless it's just more of the same. Whatever Hun Sen may say comparing her situation to Thaksin's, it's not a view I share - nor will you find anything I write suggesting any such thing. Is that just another of your "traps"? Seems rather pointless to me.

*Incorrectly IMO - it's "clemency" if anything though I still regard her sentence and detention as iniquitous however long and wherever it confines her.

While I have your attention, you might turn it to answering the question (Post #112) I asked you on the now re-opened thread at http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thaksin-fear...00#entry3115084

[jayboy]

Amnesties for all regardless of crimes or actions... there goes the Rule Of law.

To state the obvious, you of course misquote/misrepresent what I specified.

Amnesties are rare - and tend to happen only in very exceptional circumstances which are seen as calling for trumping the normal "Rule of Law" in order to "move on" past an impasse...... e.g. post-apartheid South Africa, Northern Ireland etc. Always controversial and objected to by some - but the justification is what is seen as the greater good.

Ah so you fall into the trap.

Perhaps I was quoting another...

Sooooo, By adding the word POLITICAL it is OK to throw out the rule of law,

but remove it and crimes are still crimes. Righty O!

The impasse is caused by some old school pols not liking certain laws that limit their ability

to use graft as a daily method of enrichment. A long history of this crew doing this is public record.

Ignoring the rule of law only exacerbates the basic cause of all this trouble.

So you are equating the 70 years of Ireland's "Troubles" to Thailand's political impasse now?

You mean Thaksin is one kind of Buddhist godhead, and Abjhisit is from another sect?

Or the fight by Mandela and his supporters in South Arfrica

to Thaksin and the Redshirts fight for his power and money?

Maybe a trifle closer of you say rich Chinese Thais and poor native Thais,

still quite a stretch.

There's no doubt that the driving force behind the campaign to neutralise Thaksin is mostly political, and that it involved a criminal military coup, dubious and directed court decisions, support financially and morally from a shadowy elite, a rigged constitution and an attempt to undermine an election.All this is a matter of record.Why is a matter for debate but in simple terms the elite was unhappy with its privileged position being challenged and the awakened politicisation of the Thai people, especially the rural majority.They were helped in this effort by taking on board a largely urban Chinese middle class grouping,led by a unusually creepy set of oldsters but initially with a rank and file comprising decent people sickened by Thaksin's corruption and authoritarianism.

As implied none of this alters the fact that Thaksin was a terrible influence, and there's a spectacular irony that he has come to represent democratic ideals.

To suggest however that this is all about Thaksin's graft is kindergarten politics.

Ultimately a deal will be done either with Thaksin or some successor.

[rixalex]

That might have had something to do with the events in April this year.

Meaning that now there can't be any reconciliation - and that this government now has a doctor's note absolving them of any ongoing responsibility to try and achieve it?

No. Not meaning that there can't be any reconciliation. Meaning that the need and urgency for reconciliation lessened because Thaksin's actions in April made himself and his followers more isolated and unpopular.

[TAWP]

Here is a clue: just because you call a carrot a tomato does not turn the carrot into a tomato.

Again, if you want to argue facts, do so. But your assertions are just silly and misinformed.

The Wall Street Journal, not your typical yellow pumpkin and green cucumber paper for the silly and misinformed, wrote:

But in the longer term, Mr. Abhisit's coalition is unlikely to resolve the fundamental conflicts

that brought about this month's "silent coup" and may have trouble holding on to its tenuous

grasp on power.

Mr. Abhisit's government has come to power by riding the dangerous wave of antidemocratic

protest that brought the country to a standstill earlier this month. The previous government, loyal to

Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, was ousted by a combination of violent street

protesters, with whom the military and police were largely complicit, and an activist judiciary

operating under laws written by the military leaders who ruled from 2006-2007.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122937186445607949.html

The quote clearly has the words in quotation marks, and that doesn't mean the event is actually labeled as such, apart from a selected few. Which is what they might be referring to.

And in the end, what WSJ writes has no bearing on what actually happened, they report things as they see fit and with their bias. Which is ok. But don't pretend that they define the truth.

(And the quote also shows that they are wrong in their understanding of the facts in the case. But I digress...)

[JetsetBkk]

Respect for facts? So you've forgotten about the "silent coup" already?

Here is a clue: just because you call a carrot a tomato does not turn the carrot into a tomato.

Again, if you want to argue facts, do so. But your assertions are just silly and misinformed.

It wasn't me who called it a "silent coup". But the link shows 9,000 references to that phrase with articles written on some very popular and/or respected news web sites.

[Insight]

Respect for facts? So you've forgotten about the "silent coup" already?

Here is a clue: just because you call a carrot a tomato does not turn the carrot into a tomato.

Again, if you want to argue facts, do so. But your assertions are just silly and misinformed.

It wasn't me who called it a "silent coup". But the link shows 9,000 references to that phrase with articles written on some very popular and/or respected news web sites.

Personally believe this is largely down to a concept I've become more familiar with while living in Thailand and one that Thaksin appears to be very fond of, called PR.

It wouldn't surprise me if Thaksin's overall budget for PR eventually makes Obama's election bid look like a leaflet campaign, but I guess the "beauty" of PR is that we'll never really know. Smoke, mirrors and Thaksin being loved absolutely everywhere in Thailand apart from us elite Merc drivers in Bangkok all bowing down to Prem, is what the world is supposed to believe.

And it's complete <deleted>.

[Yoshitaka]

Cambodia appoints Thaksin as govt adviser

(AFP) – 1 hour ago

PHNOM PENH — Cambodia has appointed former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra as economic adviser to premier Hun Sen and his administration, a Cambodian government statement said on Wednesday.

The statement, read out on state television, said Thaksin would serve "as personal adviser to Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen and the adviser to the Cambodian government in charge of economy".

The appointment, by royal decree, came almost two weeks after Hun Sen riled Thailand by offering safe haven to Thaksin, who was ousted in a coup in 2006 and is living abroad to avoid corruption charges.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/artic...uyKIAb3waHXeigA

[Publicus]

Cambodia appoints Thaksin as govt adviser

(AFP) – 1 hour ago

PHNOM PENH — Cambodia has appointed former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra as economic adviser to premier Hun Sen and his administration, a Cambodian government statement said on Wednesday.

The statement, read out on state television, said Thaksin would serve "as personal adviser to Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen and the adviser to the Cambodian government in charge of economy".

The appointment, by royal decree, came almost two weeks after Hun Sen riled Thailand by offering safe haven to Thaksin, who was ousted in a coup in 2006 and is living abroad to avoid corruption charges.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/artic...uyKIAb3waHXeigA

Presumably as in country (Cambodia) advisor given Hun Sen's previous statements that Thaksin would be provided with a residence, but there seems to be nothing specific yet in that regard. That announcement would be coming soon I suppose - a one step at a time approach.

Thaksin's role as an economic advisor to the the Hun Sen government is no doubt to enrich Hun Sen. There's nothing subtle about Hun Sen - the guy's ready to greet Thaksin with both hands open.

[Siripon]

The reds need to distance themselves from Thaksin but that's impossible, still getting himself appointed as Hun Sen's advisor is one way to assist the process.

[hammered]

The Thaksin side are pushing every button right now. Cosying up with a country not liked by most Thais. Suggetsing the Muslim south should have autonomy. Lurking republicanism. Return of the worst PM ever possibility and one who is not trusted by the military. It comes across as more of an attempt to demonstrate and shape a hand in negotiation than a real sustainable political program as the norms challenged are not just norms that are held high by the elite (of which PTP has its own share) but norms held high by many many people of more modest menas. It almost feels like: look at all the headaches and problems we can cause if we want

[Samuian]

The Thaksin side are pushing every button right now. Cosying up with a country not liked by most Thais. Suggetsing the Muslim south should have autonomy. Lurking republicanism. Return of the worst PM ever possibility and one who is not trusted by the military. It comes across as more of an attempt to demonstrate and shape a hand in negotiation than a real sustainable political program as the norms challenged are not just norms that are held high by the elite (of which PTP has its own share) but norms held high by many many people of more modest menas. It almost feels like: look at all the headaches and problems we can cause if we want

I repeat, he will do whatever it takes, no matter how much this country becomes unsettled, he wants his toys back - NOW!

[Yoshitaka]

The hospitalization of King Bhumibol Adulyadej .....

This should not be posted here.

[ryladie99]

The national police chief nominees is the main proof in regard the statement quote by khun Thaksin says khun Abhisit has no leadership.

how could a prime minister nominees being rejected by cabinet....

does it not show strength that he still got his man in the post despite opposition?

Abbahist is a smart man, educated at oxford, and seems to have decent morals with it. He is quite blatantly better than sum corruption carrear politician strong man only out to inrich himself, the promblem is he has to deal with such people. As his confidence increases to put his own people in to posts of power, as we can see him now doing, he should be able to push his own way more effectively and thailand can become more stable and function decently allowing investment to return.

On a side note, it would be a good thing to have 2 airports.

you are right, I agree with you 100%. Right now, the world does not have money because, the depression in America or recession as the Derm is saying. Wait for another year or two Thailand will do better. The problem of 3 provinces that never know how to speak Thai will never go away. The Government has to contain this matter. The tourists will go to Thailand no matter what?? Right now the American will not travel to Europe and Asia will pick up. Unfortunately, the last incident between the Rad shirt and the yellow shirt were really costing the world tourists to Thailand...it will not take long..I quarantee the Farangs will be back. My opinion.

[LawnGnome]

I love that fact that Thaksin is debasing himself publicly in Thailand by cozying up with Hun Sen. Thai people DO NO LIKE Camobodia and there leadership, and it makes Thaksin look even more desparate, which, of course, he is.

[JetsetBkk]

Respect for facts? So you've forgotten about the "silent coup" already?

Here is a clue: just because you call a carrot a tomato does not turn the carrot into a tomato.

Again, if you want to argue facts, do so. But your assertions are just silly and misinformed.

It wasn't me who called it a "silent coup". But the link shows 9,000 references to that phrase with articles written on some very popular and/or respected news web sites.

Personally believe this is largely down to a concept I've become more familiar with while living in Thailand and one that Thaksin appears to be very fond of, called PR.

It wouldn't surprise me if Thaksin's overall budget for PR eventually makes Obama's election bid look like a leaflet campaign, but I guess the "beauty" of PR is that we'll never really know. Smoke, mirrors and Thaksin being loved absolutely everywhere in Thailand apart from us elite Merc drivers in Bangkok all bowing down to Prem, is what the world is supposed to believe.

And it's complete <deleted>.

I agree with all of that.

Apart from the last line.

[Insight]

Personally believe this is largely down to a concept I've become more familiar with while living in Thailand and one that Thaksin appears to be very fond of, called PR.

It wouldn't surprise me if Thaksin's overall budget for PR eventually makes Obama's election bid look like a leaflet campaign, but I guess the "beauty" of PR is that we'll never really know. Smoke, mirrors and Thaksin being loved absolutely everywhere in Thailand apart from us elite Merc drivers in Bangkok all bowing down to Prem, is what the world is supposed to believe.

And it's complete <deleted>.

I agree with all of that.

Apart from the last line.

Well maybe you should run it by a few of our Thai counterparts who post on this site. Some of which are very vocal...

[animatic]

UTTER <deleted> works better, true.

[JetsetBkk]

Personally believe this is largely down to a concept I've become more familiar with while living in Thailand and one that Thaksin appears to be very fond of, called PR.

It wouldn't surprise me if Thaksin's overall budget for PR eventually makes Obama's election bid look like a leaflet campaign, but I guess the "beauty" of PR is that we'll never really know. Smoke, mirrors and Thaksin being loved absolutely everywhere in Thailand apart from us elite Merc drivers in Bangkok all bowing down to Prem, is what the world is supposed to believe.

And it's complete <deleted>.

I agree with all of that.

Apart from the last line.

Well maybe you should run it by a few of our Thai counterparts who post on this site. Some of which are very vocal...

Already did. Please keep up!