90 Day Reporting Issue

[feolindo]

I was here during the spring on a tourist visa. Near the end of that period I got a teaching position and the school sponsored me for a non-b and work permit. During the process of applying for those I asked about the reporting requirement. IE, do I have to report my address because I'm not leaving the kingdom to obtain this visa and it'll soon be more than 90 days since I last entered the country. The woman responded; 'No.' Maybe she didn't understand the question because friends are telling me now told that I should have reported at that time. Who's right? When I go to report next week are they going to hit me with a 23,000 baht fine (90 days x 200 baht per day plus 5000 baht for not reporting)?

And even if the woman there didn't understand my question, didn't I report my address when I applied for the visa and work permit? I handed over more than one copy of my lease agreement to various people during the whole process.

Any help on this would be appreciated.

F

[Lite Beer]

Not clear what you have.

If you have a 12 month extension from Immigration your application will be your first report.

Your next 90 day report will be 90 days after the day you applied for the Extension.

The fine is 2,000 Baht for not reporting.

[feolindo]

Not clear what you have.

If you have a 12 month extension from Immigration your application will be your first report.

Your next 90 day report will be 90 days after the day you applied for the Extension.

The fine is 2,000 Baht for not reporting.

I have a 1 year non-b that was issued in late july on the heels of a tourist visa that expired at that time.

[Lite Beer]

If you have a 12 month Non B Visa you have to leave the country every 90 days. So do not have to do 90 day reports.

[feolindo]

If you have a 12 month Non B Visa you have to leave the country every 90 days. So do not have to do 90 day reports.

Thanks LB.

But I have a white piece of paper stapled in my passport that states I have to notify them of my address on october 26th and each subsequent 90 days.

My concern though has to do with what happened (or should have happened) when I applied for and got the non-b back in july, and whether or not I'm facing a huge fine when I go to report next week.

[beano2274]

People forget that you can get a Single entry Non Immigrant B here.

You reported in July and the paper says 26th October, there will be no problems, the day you received your Non Imm B started the 90 days. Your next report is 26th October, remember it can be 7 days after or 7 days before.

Edit - I mean an extension, when you changed from Tourist to Non Immigrants B, I suspect you did this at a local Immigration office.

[lopburi3]

Do you have a one year multi entry non immigrant B visa issued by an Embassy/Consulate outside of Thailand?

Or do you have a one year extension of stay issued by Immigration inside Thailand?

Or do you have a 90 day stamp that you will be extended for one year with a visit to Immigration next week?

[feolindo]

People forget that you can get a Single entry Non Immigrant B here.

You reported in July and the paper says 26th October, there will be no problems, the day you received your Non Imm B started the 90 days. Your next report is 26th October, remember it can be 7 days after or 7 days before.

Edit - I mean an extension, when you changed from Tourist to Non Immigrants B, I suspect you did this at a local Immigration office.

Thanks,

The whole issue revolves around whether or not I was required to report when I transitioned from a tourist visa to a non-b, and, if so, then did my handing over of address information during the application process (for both the visa and work permit) constitute 'reporting'.

F

[feolindo]

Do you have a one year multi entry non immigrant B visa issued by an Embassy/Consulate outside of Thailand?

Or do you have a one year extension of stay issued by Immigration inside Thailand?

Or do you have a 90 day stamp that you will be extended for one year with a visit to Immigration next week?

I have a single entry non-b good for up to 1 year issued at bangkok immigration.

It is required that I report my address every 90 days.

this was issued at the tail end of of my stay on a tourist visa.

I did not leave the country during the transition from tourist to non-b.

Nor did I formally 'report', though I asked if I had to and was told 'no'.

She may have either not understood my ? or simply given me an incorrect answer.

I did however submit my address more than once to

immigration officials during the visa/work permit process.

I hope that is clear.

F

[lopburi3]

You do not have a single entry one year visa from Immigration as there is no such thing. What you must have done is converted your tourist visa for 2,000 baht and then obtained a one year extension of stay for 1,900 baht. Check what it says in your passport.

That issue of a one year extension of stay counts as your first 90 day address report so next is due 90 days later (which seems to be what you are planning to do). You will not be owing anything but a filled out TM.47 form.

You do need to be aware that any travel out of Thailand would require you obtain a re-entry permit first - so if you believe a trip will be made it might be a good idea to spend the extra 1,000 baht to obtain now rather than have to worry about it at the last minute.

[feolindo]

You do not have a single entry one year visa from Immigration as there is no such thing. What you must have done is converted your tourist visa for 2,000 baht and then obtained a one year extension of stay for 1,900 baht. Check what it says in your passport.

That issue of a one year extension of stay counts as your first 90 day address report so next is due 90 days later (which seems to be what you are planning to do). You will not be owing anything but a filled out TM.47 form.

You do need to be aware that any travel out of Thailand would require you obtain a re-entry permit first - so if you believe a trip will be made it might be a good idea to spend the extra 1,000 baht to obtain now rather than have to worry about it at the last minute.

To say I'm confused would be an understatement, but checking the fine print of my passport seems to verify what you are telling me. I was told by the school that I would need (and they would help me obtain) a non-b so that I could get a work permit. They went with me to immigration and did most of the interfacing. Bottom line, I got what I thought was a non-b, got the work permit and didn't think much of it until the past couple of days when folks (including the head of the english department at my school) started telling me that I'm going to be facing a fine because I didn't 'report' in july.

Now I'm rereading the passport and don't actually see the words "non immigrant visa" anywhere. ( I came here for the first time several years ago on a non-O that was easily obtainable at the time and had the words "Non-immigrant Visa" written boldly across the top.)

What I see are the words "extension of stay permitted until..". The date given is the date my work permit expires at the end of march.

Does this 'extension of stay' constitute a non-b visa? If not, what is it, and how was I able to get a work permit with an extended tourist visa?

Ay carumba!

I should add that I was told by the school folks at the time that I couldn't leave the country during this period without first 'making arragements' with immigration first. Something I thought was a bit odd. I asked why and they said 'because you have a single entry non-b visa'.

This dovetails with what you say about obtaining a re-entry permit.

[Lite Beer]

Can you scan and post the stamp in your passport?

It does seem that you have a 12 month extension. Your next 90 day report will be 90 days from the date you applied at the Immigration Office.

You do not seem to have a problem, apart from a lack of understanding as to your current situation.

[feolindo]

Can you scan and post the stamp in your passport?

It does seem that you have a 12 month extension. Your next 90 day report will be 90 days from the date you applied at the Immigration Office.

You do not seem to have a problem, apart from a lack of understanding as to your current situation.

Here are the 2 pages that face each other. On the left is the notice to report and on the right the visa.

I blew up the visa to make it easier to read and highlighted the line that says "extension of stay permitted.."

[Lite Beer]

Thanks. You have a 12 month extension of stay.

Your next 90 day report is on 26th October.

You have up to 7 days after this date to report.

Always a good idea to do it on the date , but not a problem if a day or two late.

You have permission to stay until 31st March 2010. You need to report your address every 90 days if you do not leave.

Apply again for 12 month extension around the beginning of March.

[lopburi3]

You are safe - 30 July was your first address report so the 26th of October plus/minus you need to report using a TM.47 form and keep a copy of the receipt in your passport for the next report 90 days later. If you travel out of the country no report is required until 90 days after your return.

[beano2274]

Yes the extension is a Non Immigrant B as it says something about a Temple, maybe a Wat School you are teaching at, this is written next to the signature of the issuing officer.

[beano2274]

Yes the extension is a Non Immigrant B as it says something about a Temple, maybe a Wat School you are teaching at, this is written next to the signature of the issuing officer.

Sorry about double post happened as TV was down.

[feolindo]

You are safe - 30 July was your first address report so the 26th of October plus/minus you need to report using a TM.47 form and keep a copy of the receipt in your passport for the next report 90 days later. If you travel out of the country no report is required until 90 days after your return.

I appreciate everyone who has taken the time to help me.

Because I did not fill out a TM.47 in july, I need to be as clear as possible on the basic question: 'did my handing over of address information during the application process (in July, for both the visa and work permit) constitute 'reporting'

The answer seems to be "yes".

Is that correct?

[Lite Beer]

YES.

[beano2274]

New Visa or extension starts the clock running from that date, so no problems for you, just go there and do the reporting and that's it till the next 90 day reporting date.

[lopburi3]

The first, and only the first, application for extension of stay is considered an address report. As I said your first TM.47 is due in October so you have nothing to worry about (as long as you take care of it).

The extension of stay is not a B or O or any other type of visa - it is an extension of stay for employment.

[feolindo]

New Visa or extension starts the clock running from that date, so no problems for you, just go there and do the reporting and that's it till the next 90 day reporting date.

Many thanks to you and Lite Beer and anyone else who took the time to respond.

Hope i can return the favor someday.

F

[Lite Beer]

Just pop along on Monday and do your next 90 days report.

[jamesjdaly]

I would do it on or before the due date as rumours have it that they will fine you if you are even 1 day over. See my post http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/90-Day-Reporting-t306615.html