B100 Million In Assets Seized In Phuket Drug Bust

[siamjimi]

WHAT AN INSULT TO EVERYONE'S INTELLIGENCE

<deleted> P? - THAT'S A SLAP ON THE WRIST TO MANY OTHERS WHETHER THAI OR WESTERNERS THAT ARE SERVING LIFE OR HAVE GOTTEN DEATH FOR MUCH LESS THAN WHAT THIS GUY HAD POSSESSION OF.

DISTRIBUTION IN THAILAND IS DEATH OR LIFE - SIMPLE I THOUGHT - UNTIL NOW.

IS THIS A PRECEDENCE THAT CAN BE USED IN COURT - I DOUBT IT - THAI LAW DOES WHAT IT WILL AND CORRUPTION HAS DEEP POCKETS

YOU THINK THIS WILL MAKE WORLD NEWS - NAHH!! - UNLESS ITS A FOREIGNER AND THEN THE THAI'S AND THE MEDIA WOULD BE ALL OVER IT LIKE WHITE ON RICE

THAT'S SOME SERIOUS DRUGS THAT MAN WAS PUSHING - RUINING LIVES WITH EVERY SALE - AND HE'S GONNA WALK

THE GUESTIMATES GIVEN IN THE PRESS CURRENTLY - FOR THIS MAN'S POPSSIBLE INCARCERATION TERM - ARE ONLY FOR A SHOW OF LAW AND POLITICS.

YOU WATCH - THIS GUYS GONNA WALK FOR SURE

[loong]

Rules are rules - this guy is a known repeat offender - he will plead guilty and dob in a few other guys he will get off lightly most likely - but in a country that hands out 5 years for defamation - kinda makes you wonder... But any time in a Thai jail is not 3 squares, free dental and colour TV - agree with all - 5 years is stupid - do the crime do the time.

"this guy is a known repeat offender "

This guy has been prosecuted for dealing drugs before????

How do you know that? - Can you supply a source please?

[OILMAN13]

Seams a light sentence

"LEGALIZE IT" QUOTE BY PETER TOSH

[Tanaka]

5 years seems to be correct. 2000 pills of 120mg is 240g of mixed methamphetamine.

It would be redicilous to sentence someone to life-time in jail for this small amount of methamphetamine.

It's rediculous to sentence anyone to life for drugs full stop.

Of course if they are a violent drug dealer who goes around shooting the opposition and kneecapping debtors then give them life for their violence but non violent offenders getting life for the posession and supply of a drug is an expensive, sadistic waste of money and life.

I understand the thinking behind Thai drug laws, it's the use of state sponsered terror to achieve the impossible and have the only successful prohibition in history.

It's an expensive and cruel folly of epic proportions but it makes sense on paper.

If you do drugs in Thailand and get caught the punishment will be so harsh that it will scare the crap out of anyone else who fancies trying their luck.

To a certain extent it works because I occasionally get high back home and I wouldn't dare out here unless I had enough money to pay my way out of it if I got caught but that doesn't seem to stop everyone else.

Weed is ubiquitous, ya bah is too and the rich Thais and expats don't seem to have any problems sourcing cocaine and ecstacy.

So they have awfully overcrowded prisons at a massive expense in money and misery but drugs are still available.

The only positive effect these draconian laws seem to have is that the select few like me are actually detered from dabbling and there are a few genuinley nasty people who genuinely deserve life in Thailands medieval prison system for violence end up in there for drugs.

But I would be detered by the idea of 5 years in a Thai jail, 99 years is just overkill.

Judging from the level of intelligence behind your words there is no way to determine how long you have been addicted. But the laws here have at least been succesful in deterring one person.

[bangkokgas]

Listen you bloody muppets - there has been no sentence.

It's just what the journalist wrote in his piece.

Has there been an IQ ceiling implemented here at Thaivisa for new members or something ???

Totally agree. Seems some here just take everything 'word-for-word'. Same with many posts on many subjects. I blame it down to them being BORED! still, love this forum now that I'm bored in the U.K. (but happily out of todays Thailand!).

Ex B.GAS - NOW BRISTOLGAS

[featography]

I agree that the statement that he could only face 5 years seems odd for this.

Also, why have they not named the accused? They usually do.

It's not what you know, its not what you get caught doing, its WHO YOU KNOW

[mrbp]

Judging from the level of intelligence behind your words there is no way to determine how long you have been addicted. But the laws here have at least been succesful in deterring one person.

Tanaka you know nothing of me or of drugs if you think my posts are proof of an addiction. Yes I am an addict though. I smoke cigarettes. You need to learn about the different drugs, their addictive qualities and which drugs someone has taken to say whether they are likely addicted or not but you know none of this but you assume on ignorance alone.

If you think my year long aversion to the occasional dabble makes the execution of human beings worthwhile then you are immoral and the fact that drugs are still widely used in places like Thailand is proof positive that prohibition doesn't work.

99 year sentences and the death penalty for non violent drug offenders is a crime against humanity that goes way beyond anything most non violent weed or ecstacy dealers ever commit.

[Grey11]

Why is it that when one person disagrees with another's opinions, that person brands the other as "ignorant?" I mean, is that necessary. Governments make these decisions and, believe it or not, not one of us can do a damned thing about the governments of our respective countries. If you are a millionaire or a billionaire, you can have an effect, if not you are just another peasant to the elites blowing smoke that comes right back in our faces. The drug problem? There is no solution. Governments do what they like so it appears they are doing something for a society they really don't give a dam_n about. They have the money, they have the power, they have the control not any of us.

[khaowong1]

Why did they go for him?

Maybe he forgot to pay off those with vested interests.

Maybe this is a lesson for others of similar disposition.

more than likely, the powers in Phuket are doing a deal to get control of whomever this guy was actually working for. And I don't mean to go after and prosecute the head cheese, I mean to have the power over him now. In Thailand, it's always about the power.

[pedro01]

Why in the hel_l do you care what people write? It is their opinion and they are entitled to it. IQ? How is that even arrived at nowadays?

Speaking of somenone's IQ could be racist and is not allowed.

Thank you for proving my point in such an eloquent manner

[mike404045]

he'll get 5 to 10 which i think is fair. All his assets are forfeited, so his lost everything he's going in with nothing coming out with nothing so i think thats punishment enough.

But he is lucky to escape the death penalty!

And i do agree with others about the laws in thailand being too strict, the death penalty for selling drugs in my opinion is totally wrong..

[mrbp]

Why is it that when one person disagrees with another's opinions, that person brands the other as "ignorant?" I mean, is that necessary. Governments make these decisions and, believe it or not, not one of us can do a damned thing about the governments of our respective countries. If you are a millionaire or a billionaire, you can have an effect, if not you are just another peasant to the elites blowing smoke that comes right back in our faces. The drug problem? There is no solution. Governments do what they like so it appears they are doing something for a society they really don't give a dam_n about. They have the money, they have the power, they have the control not any of us.

I was using the word ignorant not merely because of a disagreement but becuae of actual ignorance.

The majority view of people posting on this forum seems to be that drugs cause crime and death therefore arresting and killing people for involvement in drugs is a good idea. That is ignorance.

As I have said already alchohol causes more violence, crime and death than even heroin but no one would think it fair for drinkers to be rounded up and given long hard prison time.

The idea that heroin and ecstacy are equally damaging is ignorance.

The idea that weed is as bad as yabah or cocaine as bad as crack is sheer ignorance.

The idea that everyone who uses drugs is an addict or a loser is equally ignorant.

The idea that all drug dealers are dangerous lowlives worthy of the death penalty is yet more outstanding ignorance.

The idea that damaging drugs should be illegal but alchohol shouldn't is not only ignorance it's hypocrisy.

So the people who support prohibition, life sentences and execution for drugs are ignorant and immoral but if they like a brew I add hypocrisy to that charge.

[Grey11]

Speaking of somenone's IQ could be racist [/b]and is not allowed.

Thank you for proving my point in such an eloquent manner

So you have decided that I have a low IQ? How do you know? Would you like to compare college degrees? Why is your opinion - and that is all it is - so much better than mine or that of anyone else who makes comments on ThaiVisa? IQ tests are banned in the U.S. because they are considered racist and written by White men. Did you call me a racist or just ignorant? I'm touched by your attention.

Q

[Screws]

Isn't there a f'lang in Rayong prison doing 30 years for 120 pills from Cambodia?

[cyb]

So the death sentence for drugs is too hard?

What about the people the drugs are sold to are they not sentenced to death by the sellar?

Believe me this guy will get more than ten years just wait for the true sentence.

Keep it up pedro sense will prevail here, Maybe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mrbp]

So the death sentence for drugs is too hard?

What about the people the drugs are sold to are they not sentenced to death by the sellar?

Believe me this guy will get more than ten years just wait for the true sentence.

Keep it up pedro sense will prevail here, Maybe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cyb your ignorance knows no bounds. Someone who takes drugs is not guaranteed to die from it. The majority of drug users do not even get addicted let alone die. Most drug users get a pleasant sensation for a few hours then go about their business.

Of course a minority do go crazy or die but so do the select few drinkers and smokers, in fact drinking and smoking kills more quickly and effeciantly than most class A drug use.

So with that fact in mind your shrouded statement implying that the dealer has handed down a death sentence to the user and therefore deserves the death penalty himself should apply equally to someone who sells beer and tabbacco.

You can't have it both ways. You either agree with the hard line Islamists that all substance abuse should be prohibited on pain of death, maiming, whipping or imprisonment or you have to admit that if it's immoral to torture, kill or imprison a barmen for selling his brew to willing customers it is equally immoral to torture, kill and imprison an ecstacy or weed dealer for selling to willing customers.

I know that whiskey and cigarettes could easily kill me but I make the decision to use them, no one is forcing me to.

If my local shopkeeper strapped me to a chair and forced me to chain smoke 100 cigarettes a day then he should be arrested for false imprisonment and actually bodily harm, if I later die from heart disease then you could add a charge of murder. You can not accuse a tabaconist of handing me a death sentence if I willingly choose to smoke.

Your sense is nonsensical and you know it.

People like you just like being judgmental and get a sick little thrill out of scapegoating people and seeing them tortured by the state.

I know your sort, people like you don't care about the facts they just enjoy pointing the finger and calling someone 'scum' and enjoy even more a sadistic thrill at seeing the condemned mans terrified face as they realise their lives are going to end in misery.

Only sad insecure little people cheerlead for sadism, call for harsher punishments and praise prohibition when all logic and reason points to it's failiure and immorality.

I would understand the apetite for harsh punishments and execution if we were talking about rapists, pedophiles or extremely violent bullies but the odd idiot who made the mistake of selling a substance no less dangerous than a bottle of vodka....COME ON

The sick twist in the tale is Thailands, Americas and the UK's authorities are actually more forgiving of extremely violent offenders than they are of most non violent drug offenders and I put this maddness down to the amount of willing ignorance among the electorate. The kind of willing ignorance that knows liquor is more deadly than ecstacy but still shouts "Hang Em All"

In the UK a pedophile can get 4 years but a minor dealer of a class A drug could expect 6 years. Both America and the UK regularly give early release dates to violent offenders to make room for non violent drug offenders of whom there are many more.

Just to give you a rough idea of the dangers of different substances here are a few stats from the 90's and recently

uk drug deaths

Drug Deaths 1994

Methadone 259

Heroin 90

Temazepam 165

Amphetamin 20

Cocaine/Crack 21

Ecstacy 23

Cannabis 12

LSD 1

Alchohol 4,235

Tobacco 120,000

Viagra 3

Peanuts 3

Heroin and morphine 713

Methadone 241

Cocaine (including crack) 190

All amphetamines 92 (of which MDMA/ecstasy) 48

Cannabis 17

Gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB) 7

All benzodiazepines 177

Zopiclone/Zolpidem 39

Barbiturates 17

All antidepressants 336

Paracetamol (including compound formulations) 287

Codeine (non-compound formulation) 60

Dihydrocodeine (non-compound formulation) 96

Aspirin 22

Tramadol 81

Alcohol* 6,627 Tobacco**

But of course ecstacy, cocaine and weed are so much worse than alchohol and tabbacco we need the death penalty and the life sentence to protect society from these evil doers. Why let the facts get in the way of a good old incarceration or execution hey Cyb?

Edited October 27, 2009 by mrbp

[McPhong]

I was using the word ignorant not merely because of a disagreement but becuae of actual ignorance.

The majority view of people posting on this forum seems to be that drugs cause crime and death therefore arresting and killing people for involvement in drugs is a good idea. That is ignorance.

As I have said already alchohol causes more violence, crime and death than even heroin but no one would think it fair for drinkers to be rounded up and given long hard prison time.

The idea that heroin and ecstacy are equally damaging is ignorance.

The idea that weed is as bad as yabah or cocaine as bad as crack is sheer ignorance.

The idea that everyone who uses drugs is an addict or a loser is equally ignorant.

The idea that all drug dealers are dangerous lowlives worthy of the death penalty is yet more outstanding ignorance.

The idea that damaging drugs should be illegal but alchohol shouldn't is not only ignorance it's hypocrisy.

So the people who support prohibition, life sentences and execution for drugs are ignorant and immoral but if they like a brew I add hypocrisy to that charge.

In 50 years, most people in developed countries will share your point of view on this, as I do today... but they are conditioned by their culture and fear whether they know it or not and mainly cannot be convinced. But some people will read your posts and see their own inner perspectives being expressed well & clearly in your posts on this topic. That in my opinion is a good public service. Good on ya for so eloquently sharing this balanced & level headed perspective.

I know what you are saying is right. Remember to take a deep breath if the ignorant ones (bless them) get on your case too much.

[pedro01]

So you have decided that I have a low IQ? How do you know? Would you like to compare college degrees? Why is your opinion - and that is all it is - so much better than mine or that of anyone else who makes comments on ThaiVisa? IQ tests are banned in the U.S. because they are considered racist and written by White men. Did you call me a racist or just ignorant? I'm touched by your attention.

Q

Call it a hunch

[mrbp]

Cheers McPhong

I know I'm flogging a dead horse as the Thai Visa forums has an unusually high rate of opinionated, judgemental posters who like chucking accusations about without recourse to the facts so they are unlikely to be swayed by the facts this time.

I don't know why so many expats on here are such pinheads because when I meet people out and about most of them are sweet. Although I hear many of the middle aged British expats say things about there being "too many blacks back home" so that does point to a certain level of stupidity amongst the expat community.

A strong Daily Mail reading constituency we have in my parish thats for sure.

If your not a Brit the Daily Mail is the British newspaper version of Fox News. You know the stuff "Immigrants stealing our jobs" "Muslims forcing our kids to eat Halal" "Evil drug pushers target kids"

Prejudiced fear mongering of the most low rent kind.

PS: Incidentally the Daily Mail has a better pedigree than even the mighty Fox News for right wing lunacy. The Mail openly supported Oswald Mosely and The British Union Of Fascists with the headline "Hurrah for the Blackshirts"

The owner of The Mail Lord Rothermere visited and corresponded with Hitler. Rothermere famously sent Hitler a telegram in support of Germany's invasion of the Sudetenland, and expressing the hope that 'Adolf the Great' would become a popular figure in Britain.

Nice people I'm sure you will agree

[fasterfreddy]

If the Asssets seized are from drug business (what I think it is) then he should get life. It shouldn't matter howmuch

they found on him 'at that day'. Divide 100m / 500 baht (more or less) and you get 200k pills. Now I think this is enough

to <deleted> up a lot of people. 5 years is not a deterrent at all. It is wrong to have a time of 'overkill' and being overly harsh

to those offenders and then going back to 'overly relaxed' style, like it is right now.

Alcohol has ruin more lives than drugs…should we put all the bar owners in jail for life? Prescription drugs have killed countless people. Should we jail the pharmacists? Nobody forces the dopers to buy and do drugs. Drugs don't ruin lives, people's decision to do drugs ruins lives. Let's have accountability for our own actions.

[Somrak]

Thats the kind of sentence that drug dealers get in the UK. Its's a fair sentence for a non violent offender, it's not sadistic and draconian.

Thailands drug laws are crazy, they are so over the top but people are still taking drugs and smuggling so lets face it killing people and incarcerating them in hel_l until they die isn't working.

Lets hope this is the prelude to a softening in the law but something tells me it's NOT.

They will not change the law about it serves to many people very well!! Normal law: Less crime, less korruption, less policejobs, less sick users, ..... ??

Is it maybe possible that laws like in Thailand bring moor peoples in trubel then the dorg herself!?

Edited October 27, 2009 by Somrak

[mrbp]

Alcohol has ruin more lives than drugs…should we put all the bar owners in jail for life? Prescription drugs have killed countless people. Should we jail the pharmacists? Nobody forces the dopers to buy and do drugs. Drugs don't ruin lives, people's decision to do drugs ruins lives. Let's have accountability for our own actions.

Faster Freddy Faster. Well said

If I stick my head in the oven and die from inhaling gas maybe we should execute the CEO of the gas company......

[Maigo6]

I know I'm flogging a dead horse as the Thai Visa forums has an unusually high rate of opinionated, judgemental posters who like chucking accusations about without recourse to the facts so they are unlikely to be swayed by the facts this time.

I agree with what you're saying, maybe it's the ages of the posters, maybe when they were in their teens Alcohol and Cigarettes were the goal of many, they saw their Fathers and Grandfathers drink and smoke, advertising told millions that it was cool to smoke, it was sophisticated, sexy etc...

If the actual facts are laid on the Table we will find that Alcohol and Cigarettes result in Millions of deaths a year worldwide, and Alcohol related crime is off the radar, be it from a drunk glassing someone in a pub or a guy beating up his wife or kids whilst intoxicated to a drink driver causing a fatal accident.

Many UK city centres are very violent places after the bars and clubs close, it's not because they all been smoking Joints or dropping some Ecstacy, it's that Legal drug Alcohol again at fault.

If I made some pills that had the same intoxicating effect as a double jack daniels, it would be a class A drug and posters here would be screaming for me to be executed if I was caught, even whilst pouring a double Jack Daniels for themselves.

The war on drugs will only ever be won when nobody wants to take drugs anymore, and that just isn't going to happen.

[ableguy]

so if a foreigner brings a joint into Thailand, or even get caught with remnants in a plastic bag, he gets 99-life. But if a local, well known dealer admits what he does is illegal, he gets 5 years? How is that in compliance with the Thai constitution?

what is in compliace with the constitution would be a better question?

[Valentine]

Faster Freddy Faster. Well said

If I stick my head in the oven and die from inhaling gas maybe we should execute the CEO of the gas company......

The OP was about someone who got arrested in possession of illegal drugs. Bringing cooking gas, tobacco & alchol into the argument really has no relevance to this post. Highlighting death rates from alcohol or tobacco also has no relevance because if all the illegal drugs were made legal & had similar number of users you would probably find similarly high death rates.

[Miami Bob]

If I made some pills that had the same intoxicating effect as a double jack daniels, it would be a class A drug and posters here would be screaming for me to be executed if I was caught, even whilst pouring a double Jack Daniels for themselves.

The war on drugs will only ever be won when nobody wants to take drugs anymore, and that just isn't going to happen.

[/quo

Well said !!

[mrbp]

The OP was about someone who got arrested in possession of illegal drugs. Bringing cooking gas, tobacco & alchol into the argument really has no relevance to this post. Highlighting death rates from alcohol or tobacco also has no relevance because if all the illegal drugs were made legal & had similar number of users you would probably find similarly high death rates.

Actually all of the countries where they are soft on drugs drug use goes down. The average British and American teenager smokes more weed and takes more ecstacy than a Dutch or Potugese teen. So you could probably expect those rather low death rates to reduce if these drugs were decriminalised.

Also you might be right in saying bringing legal drugs in to the debate is not valid if it wasn't for the pro death penalty posters citing the dangers of ecstacy and yahba as their reasons for supporting the state sanctioned murder of non violent drug offenders.

[LivinginKata]

Bush bashing posts and the replies have all been removed. This topic is about a drug bust in Phuket, Thailand. Please stick to the topic. Let's not get bogged down with US politics.

[Valentine]

I agree with the moderator. The post is about someone who got busted with illegal drugs & the apparent sentence he would receive. I fail to see what it has to do with GWB or cooking gas. Any external war on drugs has no bearing on Thai drug policy unless political pressure is exerted to arrest a particular individual.

[Samuian]

UK Drug deaths:

Cannabis 12 (!!!!!!!!!!)

That is a good one!

Did they die of Lung Cancer or in car accidents?

Seize all assets of arrested dealers/pushers, use it for drug rehabilitation of users,

the dealers are very well aware that in those countries where there is still the death

sentence what they are risking..... no further comments!

The argument alcohol vs. Drugs doesn't hold the water!

Then firearms don't need regulations because there are so many arms in this world anyway...

and the people get killed every hour in battle... this is a no, no!

all eyes on the Netherlands/Amsterdam, Switzerland/Zurich, Canada, Oregon

LEGALIZE IT!