Expats In Khorat

[hellyes2oo2]

I am trying to find out if there is a sizeable farang community in and around khorat.I would like to open a shop that specialises in western foods i.e. quality meats, bacon, sausages,cheeses, and a whole range of dried goods. Are there already many places to buy such foods in Khorat or does it need such a shop. I would be grateful for any advice people could give to me.

[Nio]

The whole issue is quality and price.

As you are well aware Korat is not Pattaya or Bangkok and people have allot less income than in the city.

I would love to see a nice shop with quality meats and cheese but price will always rule.

The other day I purchased a package of shredded mozzarella cheese for a homemade pasta dish at Tesco Lotus for 240 baht

When I got to thinking about it that is almost US $8.00

By the time I add in the meat and other ingredients I think I was around 800 baht for 1 meal at home which is around US $25

Way, way to much and cheaper and easier to go to a restaurant.

You have to price the foods in accordance with the local area where they will be sold.

People will not pay 240 baht for cheese if there are many places they can eat out for less than 1/3 of that

Expensive meat and cheese may be good for once a year holiday, but if you want to sell it everyday, have to have the price where local farangs can afford it often

That is my 2 cents

[hellyes2oo2]

The whole issue is quality and price.

As you are well aware Korat is not Pattaya or Bangkok and people have allot less income than in the city.

I would love to see a nice shop with quality meats and cheese but price will always rule.

The other day I purchased a package of shredded mozzarella cheese for a homemade pasta dish at Tesco Lotus for 240 baht

When I got to thinking about it that is almost US $8.00

By the time I add in the meat and other ingredients I think I was around 800 baht for 1 meal at home which is around US $25

Way, way to much and cheaper and easier to go to a restaurant.

You have to price the foods in accordance with the local area where they will be sold.

People will not pay 240 baht for cheese if there are many places they can eat out for less than 1/3 of that

Expensive meat and cheese may be good for once a year holiday, but if you want to sell it everyday, have to have the price where local farangs can afford it often

That is my 2 cents

Thanks for your input. Obviously because the better quality meats and cheeses have to be imported the price is higher than you pay for the everyday poor quality thai products. But my prices would not be any different from what you would pay in pattaya or bangkok.I have been told that a shop opened in buri ram a while ago selling products supplied from pattaya, witha 30% mark up on pattaya prices. That is obviously not a good way to do business,and as I say my prices would be the same as in pattaya,and there would be no compromise on quality.

[mca]

I think the OP might get a few more hits by moving this to the Issan section.

[loquent]

I think the OP might get a few more hits by moving this to the Issan section.

It always amuses me as well as saddens me that some ex-pats refuse to fully indulge in the culture of their resident country. hence, the desire to eat the English breakfast on the other side of the globe. To me it's simply unrealistic. If you want that kind of food, and I don't, then go home. It also aplies to the acquisition or otherwise of the language and much of the culture.

I can not understand why anyone would want to cling to a desire to eat cheese other than if his name is Wallace.

I live North of Korat and eat what is readily available here. I eat Thai food. I do not expect a 7-11 or English grocers to be on hand.

Good luck in your venture but I think it'll fail. In Pattaya there is Yorkies; the ex-british butcher. The problem even there is pursuading Europeans let alone Americans, Canadians, Ozzies and Kiwis to try British butchery. The market is narrow and they have 6 k British expats to focus on. All congested into one relatively small area.

I'd rather support ventures that wean ex-pats off their former staples and onto healthier diets, which lead to more cultural mergeance.

[carmine]

I think the OP might get a few more hits by moving this to the Issan section.

It always amuses me as well as saddens me that some ex-pats refuse to fully indulge in the culture of their resident country. hence, the desire to eat the English breakfast on the other side of the globe. To me it's simply unrealistic. If you want that kind of food, and I don't, then go home. It also aplies to the acquisition or otherwise of the language and much of the culture.

I can not understand why anyone would want to cling to a desire to eat cheese other than if his name is Wallace.

I live North of Korat and eat what is readily available here. I eat Thai food. I do not expect a 7-11 or English grocers to be on hand.

Good luck in your venture but I think it'll fail. In Pattaya there is Yorkies; the ex-british butcher. The problem even there is pursuading Europeans let alone Americans, Canadians, Ozzies and Kiwis to try British butchery. The market is narrow and they have 6 k British expats to focus on. All congested into one relatively small area.

I'd rather support ventures that wean ex-pats off their former staples and onto healthier diets, which lead to more cultural mergeance.

I hear what you are saying but there's nothing wrong with the occasional indulgence in your home cuisine. The question of whether a business can comercially exist supporting the occasional customers is all together another issue.

[sierra01]

I think the OP might get a few more hits by moving this to the Issan section.

It always amuses me as well as saddens me that some ex-pats refuse to fully indulge in the culture of their resident country. hence, the desire to eat the English breakfast on the other side of the globe. To me it's simply unrealistic. If you want that kind of food, and I don't, then go home. It also aplies to the acquisition or otherwise of the language and much of the culture.

I can not understand why anyone would want to cling to a desire to eat cheese other than if his name is Wallace.

I live North of Korat and eat what is readily available here. I eat Thai food. I do not expect a 7-11 or English grocers to be on hand.

Good luck in your venture but I think it'll fail. In Pattaya there is Yorkies; the ex-british butcher. The problem even there is pursuading Europeans let alone Americans, Canadians, Ozzies and Kiwis to try British butchery. The market is narrow and they have 6 k British expats to focus on. All congested into one relatively small area.

I'd rather support ventures that wean ex-pats off their former staples and onto healthier diets, which lead to more cultural mergeance.

I hear what you are saying but there's nothing wrong with the occasional indulgence in your home cuisine. The question of whether a business can comercially exist supporting the occasional customers is all together another issue.

My Thai wife eats more Thai food here in the UK than she does English, at home anyway, is that wrong? She's an expat too remember!

[kangeroo]

hi i live north of korat and i love my steak and baked beans for breakfast , the rest of the day well ok thai will do . eat what you like i say . there is enough food at the big mart for me , but yes price is something i keep a eye on .

cheers

[sinbin]

Thanks for your input. Obviously because the better quality meats and cheeses have to be imported the price is higher than you pay for the everyday poor quality thai products. But my prices would not be any different from what you would pay in pattaya or bangkok.I have been told that a shop opened in buri ram a while ago selling products supplied from pattaya, witha 30% mark up on pattaya prices. That is obviously not a good way to do business,and as I say my prices would be the same as in pattaya,and there would be no compromise on quality.

So where are you going to get your "better quality meats and cheeses", Pattaya & Bkk obviously. You won't get them locally. I think the guy you speak of in Buriram is actually in Prassat. To get his stock he has to drive to Pattaya every week hence his "mark up". How can "my prices be the same as in Pattaya" if they are your suppliers ? 'Hellyes2oo2' have you ever been to Korat ? Obviously not or you wouldn't have asked if many farangs live there, or spelled it with an "h".

Edited November 25, 2009 by sinbin

[Tilokarat]

Go to Udonmap.com or Udontalk.com and look for something like Chern Chim. Two British guys opened up a shop in Udonthani that specialises in food from the United Kingdom. They are doing really well on prices, customers and so on. It seems that they will franchise their store to other places in Isaan, central Thailand and the Middle East. Try and contact them.

In addition they have a restaurant business too that is the usual British fry-up, heart attack city, but like all greasy foods, it is tasty.

[happylarry]

For your info hellyes , Macro used to sell English bacon and sausages but have recently stopped this....why? I dont know , maybe they didnt sell enough to warrant stocking them. But there is definately a market here for your stuff, but whether it is big enough to sustain a shop, I doubt it.

Personally I generally eat Thai food when I go out but when I cook at home (mostly) I tend to cook western. Obviously I can buy meat and veg here so no problem but its the little things you need that I always stock up on when I visit Bangkok or other tourist areas. Gravy granules, horseradish sauce, mint sauce etc.

Anyway thats my feelings, hope you come and set up shop here mate but as someone else said it all comes down to price.

HL

[chopperbopper]

To the OP i hope your business does well. But by the sounds of it from some posters here some farangs/epats who live in korat are angry people !

Whats wrong with this guy ??

'''''''''''QUOTE (loquent @ 2009-11-12 23:08:08) I think the OP might get a few more hits by moving this to the Issan section.

It always amuses me as well as saddens me that some ex-pats refuse to fully indulge in the culture of their resident country. hence, the desire to eat the English breakfast on the other side of the globe. To me it's simply unrealistic. If you want that kind of food, and I don't, then go home. It also aplies to the acquisition or otherwise of the language and much of the culture.

I can not understand why anyone would want to cling to a desire to eat cheese other than if his name is Wallace.

I live North of Korat and eat what is readily available here. I eat Thai food. I do not expect a 7-11 or English grocers to be on hand.

Good luck in your venture but I think it'll fail. In Pattaya there is Yorkies; the ex-british butcher. The problem even there is pursuading Europeans let alone Americans, Canadians, Ozzies and Kiwis to try British butchery. The market is narrow and they have 6 k British expats to focus on. All congested into one relatively small area.

I'd rather support ventures that wean ex-pats off their former staples and onto healthier diets, which lead to more cultural mergeance. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' END QUOTE

Why cant people eat food from there home country ' loquent '? nearly every farang likes to. It sounds like you are trying to be 100 % thai .. haha next you will be saying its ok for farangs to be charged double. Listen loquent thai people will never accept a westener / farang as equal to them. So get over it it doesnt matter how long u live here you will always be a qutsider to them. So stop trying to impress Thai people by showing them ' how thai you think you are ' and be yourself.

I wish the OP good look with his business and i think 90 % of farang expats like good food from there homeland and not the cheap thai stuff. Also there are people in Issan with money . Not all farang expats live here in a shack in the middle of a field ; the local way ' There are alot of farang and thai people in issan with money. So there are people who like and can afford the finer things in life.

[Rdrokit]

You can buy sausage and cheese from Paulo at PBs restaurant in Korat. Good food and a nice guy.

[sinbin]

If the OP cares to look on www.koratfarang.com he will find a few selling farang food stuff around, or in, Korat. One guy in particular, goes by the name 'armysteve', I believe. I honestly believe the OP is looking at a loser with his possible intention.

[sinbin]

Sorry double post.

Edited November 25, 2009 by sinbin

[Rdrokit]

If the OP cares to look on www.koratfarang.com he will find a few selling farang food stuff around, or in, Korat. One guy in particular, goes by the name 'armysteve', I believe. I honestly believe the OP is looking at a loser with his possible intention.

armysteve has left the building but his wife is still running the Ram (English food) and you can purchase items there.

Edited November 26, 2009 by Rdrokit

[Max2000]

OP: Yes there is a sizeable farang community in and around Korat.

My (almost) only reason for leave isaan area was the lack of farang food. The monthly trips to Bkk and foodland was the only thing that kept me alive up there. Yes, many can live on thai food, but I think more people prefer a good farang breakfast/dinner.

I did never find farang restaurants in Korat tempting. Shops? Never seen any (years back though).

I would try open a food stall in the food Court at The Mall, with farang breakfast/dinner.

Or a centrally located shop where farangs could buy food similar to a (mini) Foodland.

What nationalities would you target? That's one problem. Frozen food only, or fresh?

"meats, bacon, sausages,cheeses, and a whole range of dried goods" = who's your customer base?

Think you need a bigger selection intended for multiple nationalities.

"Does Korat need such a shop"? A big Yes. All my friends up there have big freezers they fill up, from Bangkok supermarkets.

[sinbin]

I have to disagree 'Max2000'. I think there are enough restaurants in Korat that sell and serve farang food. I single out PB's as being the best. 'Freshmart', in The Mall already sell many different types of cheeses. They also have 2 aisles that cater for international farang foods. At the bakers, adjacent, they sell English bread and I can't fault it. It can be frozen once bought.

Since you been away 'Max2000' things have changed. Even bacon can be bought locally quite easily. It's just a question of asking where. Hence why I say have a look on www.koratfarang.com.

"Does Korat need such a shop?". A big 'I don't think so', even though competion keeps the prices down.

[dereklev]

I agree with sinbin there are more than enough restaurants and supermarkets selling farang food here.

Many people have mooted the idea of a specialist farang food shop in the 7 years I have lived here and none, including myself, has followed it through.

The farang population of Korat and its environs has increased dramatically in the last couple of years and probably will continue to grow. However many people are on fixed income pensions etc. and that coupled with the strength of the Baht leaves little disposable income each month.

As suggested read koratfarang.com and you will get a good idea of what goes on in the farang comminity in Korat.

[Mrjlh]

The problem with Korat is it is so spread out. Most Faranges live outside the town proper in all directions. They drive no less than 20kms just to get to town. The big housing tracts are affordable because land was cheap but miles out of town. To give you and idea, Mr T built a new airport 40 kms South of town. It is completely useless and in fact not even used! Built on government land it added jobs while it was being built. But no one fly's there! And there a few Farange communities near there but look how far they need to go just to by food.

Your best bet maybe to try Pak Chong near Khao Yai National Park. Smaller town off Hwy 2 and growing fast. Chok Chai Beef Ranch is near there too and they have beef and cheese. But problem is not always the price, Thai's don't know how to butcher beef, so the meat is always tuff and fatty. And they don't know how to cook it.

Just my 2 cents.

[barryofthailand]

Hopefully Korat will continue to grow, and add jobs for Thai people. This will also be good for the expat community. Across from Big C is land that is owned by the Festival Center group who also owns Big C and Tops Supermarket. Hopefully one day they will build a Festival Center Mall. Lots of people don't think so, but Korat could use another Mall, and I think the people here would support that.

Barry

[Foggy Bottom]

..... have you ever been to Korat ? Obviously not or you wouldn't have asked if many farangs live there, or spelled it with an "h".

Objection your honour !!

I lived in the suburbs of Khorat until about a month ago and now live about 10Km outside. Whilst I can usually recall seeing a farang or two on each traverse of the city, that is about all I can remember seeing.

Khorat is not Bangkok, or Chiang Mai, or Pattaya etc - yes there are a small number of farangs live IN the city, but most live in the environs - in the Changwat, not the Amphoe Muang - therefore the OP's question is one worth asking.

A case in point - of all my visits to Khorat Immigration office, I have only ever once been there at the same time as another farang. On renewing / amending my work permit, I have never seen another farang in that office. I visit a main post office several times a week, and maybe once or twice a month I might see another farang in there. Maybe one visit in five, I notice there's another farang in Tesco Lotus - I've never seen one in Makro at the same time as me, even though I go there several times a month. These are all pertinent points for the OP.

Where do farangs buy meat in Khorat?

Mostly they don't - their wives do that sort of stuff it's not just a joke - think about it - when farangs in Khorat go shopping for foodstuffs, where are they most likely to head for? I'd hazard a guess that 98%+ of farangs in Khorat are male. By nature, most men hate routine shopping, so they do it as fast and conveniently as possible - ergo, they hit the superstores, or the local open markets if trying to stretch a budget / get something not found in the superstores.

Where do farangs buy cheese in Khorat?

I'd guess that many simply don't for budgetary reasons - cheese here requires a second mortgage if you want a worthwhile chunk to grate over your cauliflowers. Those that do are probably aware that Makro is the best value but you have to buy in bulk. Again, dropping 1000 to 3000 baht for something to slide between your bread is not something most people do every month, let alone every week.

British breakfasts and Pattaya vs upcountry pricing?

Over ten years ago I opened a restaurant in Chiang Mai - it's target was the breakfast crowd. I'd been to Pattaya and done the research. The average Pattaya price for a big English breakfast, badly done with skimpy sausages and American style greasy streaky bacon was then 140-150 Baht. Up in Chiangers we did the full ensemble with reall British made (locally) "bangers" and top quality (local) smoked and rindless back bacon, 3-way choice of eggs (plural), fried tomatoes and onions and mushrooms, etc. A rack of toast and pot of tea or coffee ... and we couldn't get any takers at 125 Baht - we had to drop the price to 99 Baht before we got customers then we were chokkers every morning, including with the brunch and late risers through to about 2pm every day.

Lesson - even though we were offering a substantially larger and better quality meal than Pattaya, Chiang Mai punters would not support a price that was within 66% of the price charged at Pattaya. You need to do the market research thoroughly before deciding your price points, especially when you're selling perishable goods.

Lesson 2 - Everyone said at that time that Chiang Mai did not need another restaurant - they were right, for a while we took all their customers off them ... until we reduced the portions to be in line with the price attained, then we lost our expat trade and had to rely on the tourists. Expats have the tightest wallets regardless of their wealth - they want the world for pennies, and expect everything to get bigger and better while also getting cheaper and easier to access. Tourists don't care - they have X amount to spend in Y days and will do it come hel_l or high water.

Sinbin - you'll have noticed I deliberately used the spelling Khorat ?

If you don't understand why, then might I humbly suggest that you do the research, burn the midnight oil performing the labour, and attain the vaulted ranks of those of us who are published authors of serious tomes concerning Thai and South East Asian history. If you are already in that group, then let's get together for a beer, compare archives, and debate this. Otherwise, you have your opinion, and I have mine, and it should be left (silently) at that.

Foggy

[worldfun]

Foogy,

I think you nailed it

And I'm not even in nakhon ratchasima (well I drove thru once), but about pak chong on the edge of the province I think you may be on to something...

But oh my Buddha - if folks are on regularly (monthly) trips from so far away into BKK shops then no wonder all day & every day is a traffic jam in bangers!

[dutch]

For more than a year available at The Mall.

Fresh fruit:strawberry-cherries-plums-pears and so on

Big assortment of european vegetables (in glass and imported from Germany)

Big assortment of cheese (Dutch-French-Danisch-Italian) and with a big selection,I really mean a big selection.

All kinds of sausages-liver paste-dried and cooked ham-other fresh sliced meat (to eat on the bread)

Daily fresh bread (many kinds and lately real French too)

Fully loaded shelfes of Japanese and Italian prepacked stuff.

Many kind of flours for the home cookers umongst us.

Fresh meat and poultry in all variety.

The availability of "farang" food has grown tremendously the last year(s)

Edited December 16, 2009 by dutch

[sinbin]

Foggy Bottom you're having a laugh. Have you ever been to Korat ? I know you'll say you live 10 km outside but your whole post is wrong. I challenge you to go on www.koratfarang.com and write the same post. Good luck, you'll need it.

Edited December 16, 2009 by sinbin

[gotlost]

Thanks for your input. Obviously because the better quality meats and cheeses have to be imported the price is higher than you pay for the everyday poor quality thai products. But my prices would not be any different from what you would pay in pattaya or bangkok.I have been told that a shop opened in buri ram a while ago selling products supplied from pattaya, witha 30% mark up on pattaya prices. That is obviously not a good way to do business,and as I say my prices would be the same as in pattaya,and there would be no compromise on quality.

So where are you going to get your "better quality meats and cheeses", Pattaya & Bkk obviously. You won't get them locally. I think the guy you speak of in Buriram is actually in Prassat. To get his stock he has to drive to Pattaya every week hence his "mark up". How can "my prices be the same as in Pattaya" if they are your suppliers ? 'Hellyes2oo2' have you ever been to Korat ? Obviously not or you wouldn't have asked if many farangs live there, or spelled it with an "h".

To give the OP an idea of the competition out there the guy you refer to is Gary in Parsat and this is his website.

http://www.staffordsfoodsthailand.com/

[Foggy Bottom]

Foggy Bottom you're having a laugh. Have you ever been to Korat ? I know you'll say you live 10 km outside but your whole post is wrong. I challenge you to go on www.koratfarang.com and write the same post. Good luck, you'll need it.

Whilst it is no guarantee of the time "in-country" for either of us ....

Foggy Bottom - Joined: 2004-02-27 Member No.: 7,872

SinBin - Joined: 2009-09-24 Member No.: 92,127

If your join date is indicative of your time in-country, then to quote one of my grandmother's favourite tutorials, "you should pay more attention to your elders".

Your perception of Khorat's foreign population may be different to mine, but you should also acknowledge that each person's perception becomes their reality.

I very rarely observe other farangs when I am in the city, those I do notice tend to be "head down" avoiding farang contact and getting on with life. I don't hang out at farang pubs, nor the nightlife zones, which is where I would normally expect farangs to congregate. I do travel into town 3-4 times per week and usually visit several parts of the city on each visit, but, as I said, I simply don't see the numbers to justify anyone opening a retail business targeted solely at farangs. For "high margin" service businesses (estate agents, lawyers, accountants etc) there may be enough of a market, but I suspect even those need a healthy proportion of Thai clientele to remain viable.

Some of my friends "in Khorat" live a considerable distance out of town - at Wang Nam Khieo for example, or at Pak Chong & Khao Yai - you simply won't see them in town more than once a month, they admit themselves they didn't choose to live in those locations so they could submit themselves to commuting daily or weekly to the city.

Another point on living in Khorat is this, thus far in my tenure here, the only farangs who have approached me directly and struck up a conversation were two rather nice young ladies sent out as Jehovah's Witness missionaries from the US. Even on the rare occasions I have visited the better known farang pubs, the only people to speak with me were the Thai staff. That alone makes me greatly miss Chiang Mai - although I didn't recognise it after ten years there, the farangs up there (expats and tourists) are far more sociable than their Khorat-based counterparts.

I visited the forum you mentioned, and I note the tone of your offer - that marries with the public threads there, which seem to have a high frequency, that triumph the hounding out, or banning, of dissenting voices. The whole image I get of that board is that if you're not one of the in-crowd, the club, one-of-us, then you're not welcome. That's my perception of it and you're welcome to disagree with that, if you do, at least take a moment to step back and think about why I would have a perception such as that, if all I have ever done is to visit and read that board without joining as a member. What sort of marketing image and "community reputation" is it attracting?

I feel sorry for the site owner, I too own and run several similar sites for various niche groups who are based in Europe and North America (including sites that use the same site software as koratfarang, but mine have been kept up to date, and are not using the version he's using (v1.1.3 when I checked), which is full of security holes). I know how hard it is to run fora, and to try to avoid the cliques and defensive-wall culture that builds up around them. He has an even tougher job than me - he's running one forum for expats, whereas I run several for business and media people - I'd far rather moderate my multiple member-lists and sites, than one expat forum, it's a lot less work, and easier.

Returning to the point of your post - whereas in other cities, the farang population is obvious and have highly visible social infrastructures, Khorat feels far more like it is a place that people come to hide-away and not be seen. There is no obvious social hub for farangs, nor does there seem to be any organising of the foreign community into shared interest groups (e.g. a correspondents or writers club meeting periodically (in-trade bad pun)). Despite the Internet, it is very difficult to find information about where farangs meet-up in Khorat to pass a few hours in the company of others, on which days at at what times. All of that is, I think, a reflection (or a symptom) of the lack of a foreign-language (e.g. English) print publication to act as a community or social focal point. If your allusion to a large foreign population is true, then Khorat would be the exception to the rule that expat-heavy towns, worldwide, have their own English and other language magazines and newspapers.

Maybe there's an opportunity there for someone?

Foggy

[Foggy Bottom]

To give the OP an idea of the competition out there the guy you refer to is Gary in Parsat and this is his website.

http://www.staffordsfoodsthailand.com/

Just had a nosy - 95 Baht for a Cornish Pasty, and 85 - 95 for other pies such as chicken, or mince etc

I'm in the wrong business - that's nearly two quid for what used to be 30-40p the last time I bought one in the UK.

Will have to check the price of them pastry and pizza ovens parked outside Makro when I go into the city next .... anyone know if there's a cookery school in town that I can send wife to, to learn how to do pastry?

[Jimbo]

Foggy Bottom, I very much disagree with your assessment about Korat and its expat community.

Go around noon to the Mall and you can find hundreds of Farang walking around, having lunch or using the outdoor swimming pool. The Germans for example even have their own little corner in the food court where they meet daily for a chat and some coffee.

There is a weekly quiz night on Wednesday when a large group of expats meet up at the Ram. You don't need to drink to have a good time as not every expat going to the quiz consumes alcohol. And there are several other regular meets at various different restaurants and bars. Once a month for example there is an general expat meeting at Chez Andy during the day.

There is also a group of expat golfers that regularly meet up at one of the local golf courses and recently the first ever Korat Farang golf tournament was organized.

I live in a suburb of Korat and my area is filled with foreigners and the number seems to be increasing by the month. A group of expats in my area also meets up frequently for social events.

You can buy farang food products in Korat but unfortunately a lot of products are not (yet) available in Korat. Some of the places where you can find farang food products for sale include at Klang Plaza, The Mall, Ram, Lotus, Makro, PB and of course Big C. Most of the expats that I know in Korat do buy their own farang food products whenever they get the opportunity and not their Thai partners.

We might not have any printed local magazine or newspaper in English however there are several sites which cater to farangs living in Korat and they include Korat Farang, Korat Post, Korat Map, Korat Fart and the Grumpy Expat. You might not enjoy these sites / forums but there are many expats that do enjoy visiting these sites.

"If your join date is indicative of your time in-country, then to quote one of my grandmother's favourite tutorials, "you should pay more attention to your elders". ;-) 2004-02-10

Edited December 16, 2009 by Jimbo

[sinbin]

I visited the forum you mentioned, and I note the tone of your offer - that marries with the public threads there, which seem to have a high frequency, that triumph the hounding out, or banning, of dissenting voices. The whole image I get of that board is that if you're not one of the in-crowd, the club, one-of-us, then you're not welcome. That's my perception of it and you're welcome to disagree with that,

Foggy

Foggy the above statement is the only one I agree with you on. But in saying that if you had posted your original post regarding Khorat on there they would have corrected you on many of your misleading comments. Then they would have hounded you out. I don't know about "banning".

I hope Dutch takes note of Foggy's critism about KF ? He's right.

Edited December 18, 2009 by sinbin