Thanks For Many Comments About The Red Lion ...

[Oneman]

...suck it up ... What a crock ... get a life.

I appreciate any opportunity to mention a very useful feature of ThaiVisa; the "Ignore User" function.

Liberal use of that has made my reading of ThaiVisa much more pleasant.

Almost a riff-raff-free zone, but not entirely.

Step-by-step instructions to ignore users are on my profile page.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

Edited November 13, 2009 by Oneman

[KevinHunt]

Riff-raff?... how do you define riff-raff? and riff-raff don't like aircon? Jeez...

On topic I would agree that it isn't so easy if going on a nice date to find a place which is 'suitable' but I def don't go searching for the 'English experience' (TRL etc.) - if you want that stay at home.

CMF

Chiang Mai

If you don't like the English experience then you can simply choose not to go to English Pubs. If you don't like Italian, French, German, Indian food etc. then you can avoid them too. Why do you tell those people that do like these places to 'stay at home'? Does it bother you somehow?

***flame removed***seems to agree with you and goes on to inform us that 'A poster recently commented not eating any Thai food'. What is wrong with that? If they don't like Thai food, should they stay at home too?

If you are going to stay in Thailand and spend all of your time eating only Thai food, drinking only Thai drinks, and socialising with only Thais then you might want to acquire some of their social skills, the most important of which is Tolerance. 

Edited November 13, 2009 by sbk
drop the flaming--sbk

[caf]

Riff-raff?... how do you define riff-raff? and riff-raff don't like aircon? Jeez...

On topic I would agree that it isn't so easy if going on a nice date to find a place which is 'suitable' but I def don't go searching for the 'English experience' (TRL etc.) - if you want that stay at home.

CMF

Chiang Mai

If you don't like the English experience then you can simply choose not to go to English Pubs. If you don't like Italian, French, German, Indian food etc. then you can avoid them too. Why do you tell those people that do like these places to 'stay at home'? Does it bother you somehow?

****seems to agree with you and goes on to inform us that 'A poster recently commented not eating any Thai food'. What is wrong with that? If they don't like Thai food, should they stay at home too?

If you are going to stay in Thailand and spend all of your time eating only Thai food, drinking only Thai drinks, and socialising with only Thais then you might want to acquire some of their social skills, the most important of which is Tolerance.

I don't think it bothers CMF ( though by raising it it shows it clearly bothers you) - he is expressing a personal opinion; although I accept it is contrary to your own. Maybe you should be more tolerant ( oh sorry ..you have already covered that ) Perhaps I should say that you should respect people's personal views

Your comment on not eating Thai food is of course taken out of context and I won't comment on it. My original post was quite clear, though perhaps not clear enough for the, if I may copy your form of address, " the perpetually-misquoting Hunt.

I copy it below:

"You have a good point. I don't live in Thailand to enjoy a farang like existence. But there are many who don't learn the language. People who have been here years saying "Thankyou" and who would not dream of apologising in Thai. A poster recently commented not eating any Thai food.

In other countries expats to a lesser or greater extent make attempts to integrate a little.

Generalising of course but the attitude is more prevalent here than other expat destinations ( eg Malaysia, France) Maybe mainly the tourist areas."

(PS I tried to PM you rather than using the open forum.)

Edited November 13, 2009 by sbk

[KevinHunt]

 

behave yourself in your posts

I'll try, but it's not easy. 

Espescially when people effectively say 'Stay at home if you're not like me.'.

And when the people you are referring to are the good folk that frequent the likes of my pub.

As regards to PMing me - You were 'blocked' from my Inbox many months ago.

Anyway, that's enough about me, lets get back on topic please.

Edited November 13, 2009 by KevinHunt

[caf]

behave yourself in your posts

I'll try, but it's not easy.

Espescially when people effectively say 'Stay at home if you're not like me.'.

And when the people you are referring to are the good folk that frequent the likes of my pub.

No Kevin he is expressing a PERSONAL opinion.

Live with the fact other people have opinions.

Glad you're trying to behave. And as you yourself admit it can't be easy for you.

Can't you post some of your humourous stuff. We all enjoyed that.

[elektrified]

I've been to the Red Lion 3 times. I really enjoy drinking Guinness and it is really good there. A little expensive but that's understandable since it is imported. I also love the oldies videos and music that is played there. I'd love to have that collection of music videos. I haven't eaten there but I will soon.

A big thumbs up for The Red Lion!

[caf]

behave yourself in your posts

I'll try, but it's not easy.

Espescially when people effectively say 'Stay at home if you're not like me.'.

And when the people you are referring to are the good folk that frequent the likes of my pub.

As regards to PMing me - You were 'blocked' from my Inbox many months ago.

Anyway, that's enough about me, lets get back on topic please.

Trying to Pm you was an attempt to be courteous with a persoanl post to you, rather than complain about you on open forum.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

On the apple pie, my mum makes apple pie that has a consistency very similar to "Apple soup with raisins". People who care about bakery issues are horrified, but a surprising number of people really like it. I might give the RL a try.

Edited November 13, 2009 by WinnieTheKhwai

[KevinHunt]

Now that I got a traffic ticket in front of Red Lion, en route to Guitar Man, I know the location. Having de-virginized my palate with my first fish and chips at West, I might try another. Of course, we should patronize ThaiVisa sponsors.

So if I approach by going south down Chan Klan (being American, I know my compass directions), where do I park my bike without getting another traffic ticket?

I can only assume that you were given a ticket for going straight across the ChangKlan Rd at the McDonald's intersection. That is an offence and has been for quite a number of years. Unfortunately, it is a compusory right turn at the corner of the Surawongse Hotel. To avoid the inconvenience of a ticket, either make sure there are no traffic police around before making that manouvoure , or turn left before the Meridien Hotel and drive through the D2 entrance to join up with Chang klan Rd.

As regards to parking your bike - In the day time I have a space for 2 or 3 bikes in front, or you can park further down the road at the Chinese community centre opposite Lemongrass restaurant (no charge in the daytime). 

In the evenings, if you speak with the guy in front of my place he will show you where you can park your bike (next to the Benelux restaurant). As regards to Blinky Bill in his Fortuner, at the moment the only option is to park in the car park above Mc Donalds (entrance next to Dukes) or try for a space along the road or in the soi next to Downtown Inn . However, I am told that from next month the place opposite Lemongrass will serve as a car park in the evenings, once more (they closed for the last 6 months to re-furbish) and if that is the case I will organise some sort of a deal for my customers. On the whole, the Night Bazaar has very little provision for parking.

[sbk]

Lets drop the baiting and flaming thanks.

[ChiangMaiFun]

Riff-raff?... how do you define riff-raff? and riff-raff don't like aircon? Jeez...

On topic I would agree that it isn't so easy if going on a nice date to find a place which is 'suitable' but I def don't go searching for the 'English experience' (TRL etc.) - if you want that stay at home.

CMF

Chiang Mai

If you don't like the English experience then you can simply choose not to go to English Pubs. If you don't like Italian, French, German, Indian food etc. then you can avoid them too. Why do you tell those people that do like these places to 'stay at home'? Does it bother you somehow?

***flame removed***seems to agree with you and goes on to inform us that 'A poster recently commented not eating any Thai food'. What is wrong with that? If they don't like Thai food, should they stay at home too?

If you are going to stay in Thailand and spend all of your time eating only Thai food, drinking only Thai drinks, and socialising with only Thais then you might want to acquire some of their social skills, the most important of which is Tolerance.

You clearly missed my point - I was saying IF you cannot find that extraordinarily wonderful experience of a 'pretend' English pub in Thailand then stay at home - I was not suggesting that we should all limit ourselves to Thai places - your very touchy...

...and IF we do want to go to an English (or any other European lookalike) then please serve the drinks to full measure (i.e. in a glass marked with a line to which the liquid should be filled). I have yet to find such a place - one such place down a certain famous LOI serves very short Guiness with lot's of froth and hence I do not go there - it's just not cricket old boy.

don't you know...

[Sheps99]

Sausages- Waitrose? I've never seen them here.

Waitrose sausages ARE available in CM.

Any branch of Tops stocks them in the freezers.

As for the OP mentioning that Waitrose stuff tends to be bland...I have to disagree, they are one of the most popular supermarkets in the UK.

Not the cheapest, they tend to compete more with M&S than Sainsbury or Tesco and they rely more on quality than price to lure their customers.

Pity the OP never tried the Fish and Chips though...I still maintain they are the best in town.....but Fish and Chips has bee discuseed on several occassions already.

Waitrose in the UK are the suppliers of John Lewis stores for most of the foods.

[KevinHunt]

On topic I would agree that it isn't so easy if going on a nice date to find a place which is 'suitable' but I def don't go searching for the 'English experience' (TRL etc.) - if you want that stay at home.

CMF

Chiang Mai

You clearly missed my point - I was saying IF you cannot find that extraordinarily wonderful experience of a 'pretend' English pub in Thailand then stay at home - I was not suggesting that we should all limit ourselves to Thai places ...

I thought you were saying that you definitely don't go searching for places like The Red Lion, and if anybody else wants that, they should  stay at home. If that isn't what you meant, please  accept my apologies for reading it that way. 

To be honest, I'm not really sure what you're saying in this post either, but it doesn't really matter, it's a bit late and I'm a bit tired. Good night.

[piercefilmlid]

Sausages- Waitrose? I've never seen them here.

Waitrose sausages ARE available in CM.

Any branch of Tops stocks them in the freezers.

As for the OP mentioning that Waitrose stuff tends to be bland...I have to disagree, they are one of the most popular supermarkets in the UK.

Not the cheapest, they tend to compete more with M&S than Sainsbury or Tesco and they rely more on quality than price to lure their customers.

Pity the OP never tried the Fish and Chips though...I still maintain they are the best in town.....but Fish and Chips has bee discuseed on several occassions already.

Waitrose in the UK are the suppliers of John Lewis stores for most of the foods.

I think you mean to say that Waitrose is the branded supermarket arm of the John Lewis partnership. Both are very good stores that often receive high customer satisfaction feedback.

I see Waitrose branded goods in TOPS, though I do not know of the relationship.

Rgds

[getgoin]

In the evenings, if you speak with the guy in front of my place he will show you where you can park your bike (next to the Benelux restaurant). As regards to Blinky Bill in his Fortuner, at the moment the only option is to park in the car park above Mc Donalds (entrance next to Dukes) or try for a space along the road or in the soi next to Downtown Inn .

Parking above the Pavilion is easy, available and reasonable. It might look difficult because you have to drive in on the side of The Duke's but it's not.

Edited November 14, 2009 by getgoin

[cmdream]

"Mad Dog's is home to a large contingent of down-at-the-heels, Cheap Charlies.

Not a place where I'd take a visiting friend.

Not a place where I'd go myself; not again"

The OP's opening post was quite balance and factual until the comment about the Mad Dog which I believe is a long way off the mark.

I for one am not a "down at heel cheap charlie" nor are the majority of the Mad Dog's regular clientele.

Sure you get quite a number of the "down-at-the-heel" back packers there from time time but this I believe however this is more to do with it's location (close to 100 baht/night HG's) than any thing else

"Kevin, can we still park our Foretuners across the road? Will the Red Lion give a refund for the parking fee?

And the RL does give a credit on the parking but from my last visit it is only for one hour which is not really long enough for a night on the tiles

WHAT A CHEAP SHOT at Mad Dog, after 4 years in CM I eat there on a regular basis. Great Meat Loaf and good brekkies, sorry there are no Lavender colors

for the sweet side!

[KevinHunt]

"Mad Dog's is home to a large contingent of down-at-the-heels, Cheap Charlies.

Not a place where I'd take a visiting friend.

Not a place where I'd go myself; not again"

The OP's opening post was quite balance and factual until the comment about the Mad Dog which I believe is a long way off the mark.

I for one am not a "down at heel cheap charlie" nor are the majority of the Mad Dog's regular clientele.

Sure you get quite a number of the "down-at-the-heel" back packers there from time time but this I believe however this is more to do with it's location (close to 100 baht/night HG's) than any thing else

"Kevin, can we still park our Foretuners across the road? Will the Red Lion give a refund for the parking fee?

And the RL does give a credit on the parking but from my last visit it is only for one hour which is not really long enough for a night on the tiles

I don't like the idea of slating people in the same business as me, and I'm on good terms with most publicans in Chiang Mai, so I'd rather not see people comparing Red Lion to other bars or pubs. I have my business and customers, and they have theirs and hopefully we can all prosper. Nonetheless, I did find this cartoon a little bit funny. It appeared in a UK newspaper that I saw when I was home quite a few years ago, and I cut it out just because it was that little bit more relevant and humorous to me personally.   

I liked to think that the landlord in the cartoon was Eddie from the Escape, but only because I knew him quite well and I assumed he would see the funny side.

             

Edited November 15, 2009 by KevinHunt

[ChiangMaiFun]

That was very a funny cartoon...

To explain my earlier post a little more... I eat and drink at many places, some Thai some not (no names), but I do get irritated when 'Pubs' over here do not serve full measures (do NOT assume TRL -I am talking generally). I don't care about the money so much but hate them giving me a draft Guiness with white froth making up the last 3rd. I would go much more often if they used glasses that had a line on them indicating the correct level - at least in a bottle you get the 'whole' bottle.

I had a situation some time ago at an 'English' bar where I asked for a 'top-up' and was told the owner had ordered the staff NOT to do so! even thought the said Guniness was clearly only 2/3rds full - if anything will put me and put my fellow countrymen off this would be one of them as we are all used to proper weights and measures.

So I infrequent these bars for that reason - as do others. Only when I really (really) have to have a decent Guiness do I go and if so I keep my mouth zipped (which ain't easy).

Cheers!

[PeaceBlondie]

I thought a publican was a harlot, tax collector, or American politician.

I had draft Guiness in Ireland. The bartender poured, waited for the froth to go down, and filled it full; then served it.

[ChiangMaiFun]

I thought a publican was a harlot, tax collector, or American politician.

I had draft Guiness in Ireland. The bartender poured, waited for the froth to go down, and filled it full; then served it.

*sigh*... TIT

'twoud be nice if the farang pubs did the same here with their draft...

[jackr]

Riff-raff?... how do you define riff-raff?

Long-haired, disheveled gits who generally look like <deleted>

[caf]

I thought a publican was a harlot, tax collector, or American politician.

I had draft Guiness in Ireland. The bartender poured, waited for the froth to go down, and filled it full; then served it.

Yes. That is the right way to serve Guinness. They often stack the glasses up om the bar and keep topping up till ready,

Which pubs in CM do that?

[KevinHunt]

I thought a publican was a harlot, tax collector, or American politician.

I had draft Guiness in Ireland. The bartender poured, waited for the froth to go down, and filled it full; then served it.

Yes. That is the right way to serve Guinness. They often stack the glasses up om the bar and keep topping up till ready,

Which pubs in CM do that?

We serve Guinness like this - with a small creamy head. If you don't want foam tell the staff.

Edited November 16, 2009 by KevinHunt

[ChiangMaiFun]

I thought a publican was a harlot, tax collector, or American politician.

I had draft Guiness in Ireland. The bartender poured, waited for the froth to go down, and filled it full; then served it.

Yes. That is the right way to serve Guinness. They often stack the glasses up om the bar and keep topping up till ready,

Which pubs in CM do that?

We serve Guinness like this - with a small creamy head. If you don't want foam tell the staff.

I would love a Guiness like that and will make a point of attending TRL to test - would be the first time in CM that I have encountered it.

My other point (it was NOT TRL) was that the owner had instructed the staff NOT to fill-up the Guiness - which was served 2/3rds full - the last being head - if they had served correctly naturally no top-up is required.

But... can I just ask? (this is not vexatious just interested to know) why not use measured glasses? with a line on them?

[KevinHunt]

But... can I just ask? (this is not vexatious just interested to know) why not use measured glasses? with a line on them?

They're not available. The Guinness glasses are supplied by the distributor and Guinness looks better in a Guinness glass.

In a similar vein, I've noticed a lot of Thai places doing cheap jugs of Draught beer and serving it with 1/3 foam - that's why it's so cheap. If it was a full litre, the cheaper beers would cost 70 baht so in order to sell it for say 89baht they give a short measure. The  jugs are one litre to the neck, with the top part leavining plenty of room for foam. 

I used to own a German restaurant, and if you served a beer without foam the customers would complain. The same is true of Dutch and Belgians. Generally, we serve a beer with about a finger thickness of foam, but if they are German or dutch we serve it with a little bit more foam to suit their taste. If anyone wants it without foam we can do that too.

[Blinky Bill]

Kevin, is that foam/froth measuring finger flat or upright?

or

Edited November 16, 2009 by Blinky Bill

[jackr]

Nice one, BB.

Generally, we serve a beer with about a finger thickness of foam, but if they are German or dutch we serve it with a little bit more foam to suit their taste.

In my experience, the Dutch enjoy three fingers

[KevinHunt]

Kevin, is that foam/froth measuring finger flat or upright?

That would depend on who's ordering it.

[JoePai]

I thought a publican was a harlot, tax collector, or American politician.

I had draft Guiness in Ireland. The bartender poured, waited for the froth to go down, and filled it full; then served it.

Yes. That is the right way to serve Guinness. They often stack the glasses up om the bar and keep topping up till ready,

Which pubs in CM do that?

The Olde Bell - a couple of hundred metres down from the moat on Loy Kroh road.

Good pint and on Mondays very cheap

[KevinHunt]

I thought a publican was a harlot, tax collector, or American politician.

I had draft Guiness in Ireland. The bartender poured, waited for the froth to go down, and filled it full; then served it.

Yes. That is the right way to serve Guinness. They often stack the glasses up om the bar and keep topping up till ready,

Which pubs in CM do that?

The Olde Bell - a couple of hundred metres down from the moat on Loy Kroh road.

Good pint and on Mondays very cheap

I think it is 150B on Monday at Olde Bell? Cheap as chips.Every day 4-6pm (Happy Hours) Draught Guinness and Tetley's Smooth Bitter is 160B a pint at The Red Lion.