Name Of This Bait?

[jackinbkk]

Hi fellow fisho fanatics,

does anyone know the name of this bait?

It's used for pla buek and pla kahoe. It is very oily, smelly and is used on the bottom with a single hook and no feeder. It's like a dough and is usually fished only 10 to 20 yards out. People mould some of the dough around a hook with some foam on. The dough is brown.

I want to try and find some here in Phuket. I believe it consists of ground bread, sugar and coconut milk with flavouring.

A thai name and or an English name of the bait would be great.

Thanks

-Jack

p.s. If anyone makes this themselves could they explain with quantities and methods.

[GarryP]

Generally, pla buek, which is a member of the catfish family, will go for all kinds of paste baits (dough) including smelly ones (I assume you mean bad smelling rather than sweet scented), whereas pla krahoe which is a member of the carp family, will not normally take bad smelling baits.

If the bait smells bad, I would suggest that any krahoe hooked were lucky catches. I can't tell from your pictures what the bait is apart from that it appears to be well fermented. Have a look through the baits topic in this forum. There may be something that will give a hint as to what the bait is made from. Don't forget that in addition to fish oil, coconut cream also contains oil (fat) and when left for a time the oil will separate out.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

[jackinbkk]

hi,

yes the oil I believe is from the coconut milk seperating out. It is recommended that after making this bait that

it is left in the plastic bag for a few days.

The smell isn't sweet but I wouldn't say it is too fowl. The first time I used this bait it was a bit nasty but I think

I have gotten used to it. All fishermen using it wear plastic gloves.

A hook has the dough squeezed around it and is then cast out gently so it doesnt fly off the hook.

After a handful of the bait is thrown in around the hook but in pieces the size of a peanut. The very small pieces will

spread the smell around better due to more surface area. Generally the very biggest of fish are caught with this

method. Its astounding. Clearly big fish are coming in and eventually one takes a piece with the bait. It may even

be the case that only the piece on the hook is big enough to find and the smaller pieces are just scenting the water.

I've had a few Kahoe on this bait but the pla buek are much more numerous so it's hard to tell if it's chance or not.

Nearly all fish I have seen caught with this method are big. This could be because

1. Big fish are often found deep in the water/near the bottom

2. A large fish will suck in a large hook without noticing due to it's massive mouth and the vacuum it creates.

[jackinbkk]

the beads give the dough something extra to bind to.

[GarryP]

Actually the foam pellets are what helps when the fish try to suck the bait. They are pulled into its mouth. In Thai they refer to this as "kai mot X" or X ant egg. Mot X being the name of a kiddies tv character and the foam pellets resembling ant eggs.

When you find out what the bait is made from, let us know as I would like to give it a go myself. When fishing with paste (dough) I usually go with spring feeders.

Strangely enough, using ground bait does not seem very popular in Thailand. However, I always use ground bait myself to draw the fish in.

Is there any special reason for using a wire lead? I always use line.

[jackinbkk]

Actually the foam pellets are what helps when the fish try to suck the bait. They are pulled into its mouth. In Thai they refer to this as "kai mot X" or X ant egg. Mot X being the name of a kiddies tv character and the foam pellets resembling ant eggs.

When you find out what the bait is made from, let us know as I would like to give it a go myself. When fishing with paste (dough) I usually go with spring feeders.

Strangely enough, using ground bait does not seem very popular in Thailand. However, I always use ground bait myself to draw the fish in.

Is there any special reason for using a wire lead? I always use line.

It's not a wire leader, it's actually a very fine braid like leader. Some of the big buek can wear through mono

after 20+ minutes of rubbing while fighting the fish. If it's a big one. Just make the leader long enough to have the mono outside a

bueks mouth with some added length for safety. I was a bit tight with the leader here as I didn't have much left

to make 3.

Roblok has told me this:

''name: Kanompang nuad (massaged bread)

its just bread with some coconut milk and a suguary substance .. then you mix it.. (bij stepping on it just the way they squeze grapes)''

I've seen it made by putting stale/dry bread through a grinder to make a powder. Then they add coconut milk, a block of sugar (the yellow kind used for somtum) and then a bottle of flavouring. i.e butter milk, vanilla etc...

That is then all mixed together.

Now the part I had forgotten is that sometimes it is kneaded by walking on it like you make wine from grapes. Many at places like bungsamran pass it through another machine to do this.

Very effective though as I say for big fish. The hook is left for 20 to 30 mins at a time.

I too think ground bait is a must on wild rivers and lakes. Bung samran etc is fine as food goes in constantly but in wild places

you need to get a routine for the fish to feed and introduce foreign baits.

I fish a wild lake with some very big sawai. I'm yet to hook one but i've seen some monsters well over the IGFA record of 17kg

-Jack

[GarryP]

I couldn't think of the word when I responded before. When I said line I meant braid. For the bait, you mentioned that they always used plastic gloves (plastic bags over the hand?). I assumed this was due to residual stink on the hands, but the bait you mentioned would not smell bad, so is to avoid contact skin contact, i.e. no human scent on the bait?

[jackinbkk]

I couldn't think of the word when I responded before. When I said line I meant braid. For the bait, you mentioned that they always used plastic gloves (plastic bags over the hand?). I assumed this was due to residual stink on the hands, but the bait you mentioned would not smell bad, so is to avoid contact skin contact, i.e. no human scent on the bait?

Yes it was to avoid the stink. Of course the stink is in the oil after it's made so it's hard to remove.

I don't know what flavour they use for smell at 'gnao nam' but it's not the one's i've seen sugessted.

Of course minimal contact with bait is always a plus. It could be a new scent that occurs as the stuff

fermants after 4 days in a platic bag with thai heat and the feet of the person who made it .

I just finished making some.

I got bread in a near powder form. Added coconut with some water, sugar and flavour.

Just a litle liquid at first. Then stand on it making it solid nearly like rubber.

Luckily I have a thai girlfriend to do the pressing. haha. I slowly added more and more diluted coconut

milk to the paste. It went from a plasticine texture to a bread dough and then to a slightly slimy bread dough.

Almost like thick mud. Lots of oil for attraction. I added a few extra things of course. I think

everyone has their own secret mixtures that makes their bait better lol.

[robblok]

What kind of oil do you use ? I have experimented with sesame oil (nam man nga) without much succes.