garyh Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?i...766&rss=yes Obese people who are unable to squeeze into a single plane seat will have to pay nearly double to fly with Air France-KLM in future, the company said Tuesday. Extra-large flyers will have to pay 75 percent of the cost of a second seat (the full price excluding tax and surcharges) on top of the full price for the first, spokeswoman Monique Matze told AFP, saying the decision was taken for "safety" reasons. "We have to make sure that the backrest can move freely up and down and that all passengers are securely fastened with a safety belt," said Matze. People who cannot fit into a single seat are fastened by slotting the belt tip of one seat into the plug of the next -- stretching over both seats. By paying for both, the overweight passenger will be assured that two seats will be available next to each other. They will however get their money back on flights that are not fully booked, said Matze. The new measure will apply for people who book their tickets from February 1 for all flights from April 1 this year. The average plane seat is 43 centimetres (about 17 inches) wide -- 44 centimetres for long haul flights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Can't see this flying in the USA or UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyTheMook Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 About time , not that obese people are not wonderful human beings , it just sucks to have to sit next to a sweaty heavy breathing pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 About time , not that obese people are not wonderful human beings , it just sucks to have to sit next to a sweaty heavy breathing pig. nice Jimmy. I am sure the obese people feel the same about sitting next to you mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakJungTorlae Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 hahaha I heard fat people show up on the raider. How about their meal arrangements? Are they entitled to 8 now? Should have some promotion, 2 fat tickets 1 skinny free!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMoran Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Why not just charge us all by mass, like they do for baggage? They can always refit a few rows of seats for anyone too wide to squeeze into 43cm, but it's the mass of the cargo that costs fuel isn't it? Some people are likely to be more dense than others, isn't that true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyh Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 About time , not that obese people are not wonderful human beings , it just sucks to have to sit next to a sweaty heavy breathing pig. Some skinny ones really need a bath too, spent one trip sitting across the isle from one like this would hate to have been in the next seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Can't see this flying in the USA or UK. Many North American airlines do it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHarries Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I wonder how they are going to administer this. If you book on line will you be expected to 'fess up to your waistline or will they have a guage at check in and if you don't fit you have to stump up the extra dosh? If you lie on the booking and/or don't fit the guage what happens if the flight is fully booked? Do they bump the fatty or one of the regular/skinny pax or do they make chubby chops upgrade himself to business? Also would the girth gauge apply to business and first class as well as cattle? The total weight would work as you'd be assigned a weight allowance when you book then you know how much baggage you will be allowed however this doesn't get over the tight squeeze in the seats. Interesting times, but I'm not surprised in this ever more vindictive world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alant Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I wonder how they are going to administer this. If you book on line will you be expected to 'fess up to your waistline or will they have a guage at check in and if you don't fit you have to stump up the extra dosh? If you lie on the booking and/or don't fit the guage what happens if the flight is fully booked? Do they bump the fatty or one of the regular/skinny pax or do they make chubby chops upgrade himself to business? Also would the girth gauge apply to business and first class as well as cattle?The total weight would work as you'd be assigned a weight allowance when you book then you know how much baggage you will be allowed however this doesn't get over the tight squeeze in the seats. Interesting times, but I'm not surprised in this ever more vindictive world. good points! what happens if you turn up and they find you dont fit? in fact what constitutes a "fit" as all the info is qualatative in nature as far as i can see. other question to follow once i have thought a bit about things that may be of interest to those who selfishly like to have a go at groups such as the fat etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 When someone is made to feel uncomfortable because an oversized person is taking up a lot of the space that a regular passenger paid for, who is being selfish? If the person has a disability that causes the problem it's one thing, but if it's just someone who eats too much and doesn't exercise then why should other passengers be caused discomfort because of choices the overweight passengers themselves made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotlost Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Pay by their weight for all passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliphn Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 They are being more than fair to the obese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Maybe a compromise is to allow them to switch to a flight that isn't full where extra seats are available without penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geekfreaklover Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 It would simply be a matter of stepping on the scales at check in. Anything xs of a certain weight, has to pay extra per kilo. Same as luggage. Problem occurs with over and under booking on flights with most bookings made online doesn't seem like a workable plan. I reckon the airlines that don't have these 'measures' in place will be the winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonthai Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 fair enough for the skinny passengers, say 50kg, who pay the same fare as 150 or 200kg ones. I would think this will soon catch up with the other airlines, incliding uk and usa. There is a chance, that fares will drop slighly as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary A Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The bottom line is that I pay for a seat and shouldn't have to share my seat with an obese person. The airline can handle it however they want but I want what I pay for and that is a full seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jontom Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 About time , not that obese people are not wonderful human beings , it just sucks to have to sit next to a sweaty heavy breathing pig. Absolutely right Jimmy why not put them in a veal crate and ship them in the cargo hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 It was a logical step: Should Obese Passengers Be Required To Buy Two Seats On Flights? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Obese-Passen...-S-t319851.html LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnswift1956 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) Should include luggage too. Anything over 10kgs should be changed for. I travel 3/4 times per year and never have over 8kgs. With my Gold Card I am entitled to 45kgs. Ifs an average person weights 85kgs and travels with 15kgs and costs say £400 excluding tax then I am paying £4 per 1kilo. If I only have 8 kgs I should have a refund of 7X£4 = £28. I am suprised low budget airlines dont charge same way. If an obeise person weighs 150kgs and has 15 kgs of luggage then on the same flight he should be paying in the region of 165kgs X £4 = £660. I know it is not as easy as that!!!!! The land luggage needs addressing as well. Should only be pushchairs, babies meal, and duty free. What people must carry in it beggers belief. Can someone tell me what they carry in them. I never have anything in hand luggage except duty free! Edited January 20, 2010 by johnswift1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banchang Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Here we go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHarries Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The land luggage needs addressing as well. Should only be pushchairs, babies meal, and duty free. What people must carry in it beggers belief. Can someone tell me what they carry in them. I never have anything in hand luggage except duty free! You obviously never travel with anything valuable like cameras, laptop etc. I do agree with you that carry on needs more regulation, I have only once ever seen the guage at check in being used once. That was at HCMC when it was early morning and there was no check in staff so the travellers were just amusing themselves. I have seen people with more carry on than I have as check in baggage and that p1sses me off big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyh Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 Here we go Would he fit in 2 seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 So if two thai ladies can comfortably sit in one seat can they travel on 1 ticket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Can't see this flying in the USA or UK. Many North American airlines do it already. But not in your homeland of Canada. There was that ruling a year or so ago that said being obese was a "disability" and they were entitled to as many seats as necessary to accomodate their flowing folds of flab. The positive aspect of this ruling is that it only applies to the economy section. The business class seats on AC, while being slightly larger do not have moveable seat dividers. And due to the evacuation rules, they cannot be seated in a location where they would impede an evacuation, i.e. no exit rows and usually not on the aisles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattayaParent Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I wonder how they are going to administer this. If you book on line will you be expected to 'fess up to your waistline or will they have a guage at check in and if you don't fit you have to stump up the extra dosh? If you lie on the booking and/or don't fit the guage what happens if the flight is fully booked? Do they bump the fatty or one of the regular/skinny pax or do they make chubby chops upgrade himself to business? Also would the girth gauge apply to business and first class as well as cattle?The total weight would work as you'd be assigned a weight allowance when you book then you know how much baggage you will be allowed however this doesn't get over the tight squeeze in the seats. Interesting times, but I'm not surprised in this ever more vindictive world. They'll have 2 rows at check in, one with the entrance posts set narrow for the normal and undersize passengers (43cm apart as that's the width of the seat), and one with the posts set wider for the oversize passengers. If you knock over the posts to get in the 43cm queue than they'll send you to the wider one. On the question of bumping then the passenger that has paid for the correct seat gets to keep it and the one that hasn't gets bumped or the choice of paying for Business Class. Maybe there's a niche market here for someone to set up Jumbo Airlines where all the seats are extra wide to accomodate all sizes of passengers??? They could even have extra wide aisles and extra wide trolley dollies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMoran Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Maybe there's a niche market here for someone to set up Jumbo Airlines where all the seats are extra wide to accomodate all sizes of passengers??? They could even have extra wide aisles and extra wide trolley dollies. If they add a smoking section they'll be my favourite airline, even if the hostesses are ugly and the food is inedible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyh Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 Maybe there's a niche market here for someone to set up Jumbo Airlines where all the seats are extra wide to accomodate all sizes of passengers??? They could even have extra wide aisles and extra wide trolley dollies. If they add a smoking section they'll be my favourite airline, even if the hostesses are ugly and the food is inedible. Yes hope is priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedonist44 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 About time , not that obese people are not wonderful human beings , it just sucks to have to sit next to a sweaty heavy breathing pig. Jimmy, it amazes me to no end how morons like yourself take the time out of your day to show the rest of the world that people like you are living next to the rest of us. What a pity indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattayaParent Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Maybe there's a niche market here for someone to set up Jumbo Airlines where all the seats are extra wide to accomodate all sizes of passengers??? They could even have extra wide aisles and extra wide trolley dollies. If they add a smoking section they'll be my favourite airline, even if the hostesses are ugly and the food is inedible. In that case we'll have to call it Social Lepers Airways I just hope the oversized passengers don't object to the smokers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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