38 Security Centres Set Up To Maintain Peace In Thailand

[jdinasia]

So I guess your family are not farmers?

As it stands at the moment if a rice farmer does not have the ready cash to buy his yearly rice seeds for planting new crops he has to borrow money from loan sharks at 10% per month.

May be a few did get carried away with the loans but not all.

Hmmmm are they 'farmers?' Nope. They are landowners that lease the land out yearly. As it stands there are other options other than 'loan sharks' including 2 government banks that loan to farmers. They just won't loan vast amounts of money at one time. There are also 3-6% loans available in many communities if a family is stable and pays their debts. (Still usurious but far better than 10%/month)

"Maybe a few did get carried away but not all" --- Wow that is quite a range .. between a 'few' and 99.99999999% so as to be not 'all'. It would be just as accurate to say "Maybe MANY got stung by those loans, but not all."

[Ricardo]

Gee, you keep giving me these openings to spout my drivel.

Well, you said it.

I keep talking about the "Red Shirt Democracy Movement (RSDM)"....a phrase to convey an idea if there ever was one.

And a wonderful idea it is too. In another universe or time-line.

But these are 'democrats' who don't believe in letting anyone think anything else, apart from their own beliefs. Spot the slight contradiction there ? Your RSDM really needs to distance itself, from the thugs of 'Rak Chiang Mai 51', or self-proclaimed red-leaders like Seh Daeng.

Meanwhile, and in particular comparing this situation with November 2008, the present government seems to me to be more firmly in control, and ready for Thaksin's PATsies, or whatever they might be called this week.

[shaunoro]

I'm NOT known for polital postings, but the current PM is trying to build bridges.

Give him a chance as he has only been in office for a few months.

As for Mr. Insight, do you have a clue?

[monkfish]

So I guess your family are not farmers?

As it stands at the moment if a rice farmer does not have the ready cash to buy his yearly rice seeds for planting new crops he has to borrow money from loan sharks at 10% per month.

May be a few did get carried away with the loans but not all.

Hmmmm are they 'farmers?' Nope. They are landowners that lease the land out yearly. As it stands there are other options other than 'loan sharks' including 2 government banks that loan to farmers. They just won't loan vast amounts of money at one time. There are also 3-6% loans available in many communities if a family is stable and pays their debts. (Still usurious but far better than 10%/month)

"Maybe a few did get carried away but not all" --- Wow that is quite a range .. between a 'few' and 99.99999999% so as to be not 'all'. It would be just as accurate to say "Maybe MANY got stung by those loans, but not all."

The loans these are for the rich!! without collateral you stand no chance!

May be you are better qualified to tell me the exact percentages.

[HardenedSoul]

Who is in power, who controls the courts, no matter what election result we have over the next ten years, we can see the voice of the people not being heard. If someone is critical of the system of election, all I can say is get of your high horses and live up country for more than your Bkk paypackets allow for a 4 day holiday. You'll learn a lot, and learn why Mr. T was and is so popular. The fact I have well over a thousand staff all on minimum wage, and take the time to visit their families and kin in their villages gives a pretty strong impression of what they think about political horse sh*t that comes out of Bkk. If they end up rising up in protest against PAD, Dems, or Prem, all I can say is keep your head down, coz they are one very cohesive group (50 million strong)and really pissed off with central rule right now.

Just reporting the facts.

Some would suggest that an electorate that can't see beyond the next meal and whose aspirations extend no further than the acquisition of a brand new scooter is perfect fodder for a joker like Thaksin. As always, democratic societies get the governments they deserve largely on account of the fact that the peoples' individual votes are almost always motivated by self interest rather than what's good for the country as a whole.

I wish Abhisit and his government good luck during the forthcoming unrest but just in case it all goes Pete Tong, I've got a lift outta here on an extremely fast speedboat

[NamSod]

What ever happened to 'rule of law' and honoring one's own Constitution?

Can you imagine what Europe or America would be like if the people simply stop obeying their constitution and threw their leaders out of office?

What a horrible mess Thailand has gotten into when they chose the slippery slope and ousted a democratically elected leader.

They should change their country nickname from LOS to LOV (land of violence).

[khaowong1]

So are the UDD protest is to bring back democracy or to save Taksin's money. What the democracy has to do with Mr. T finances. Yeah I am playing it stupid. their politics is all about money

ain't this the truth...

[ding]

Question for those claiming Taksin was elected:

He bought votes in poor areas with the Baht he looted from Thai people. He owned the media that he used to propagandize Thais. Was he elected, or was he selected?

[block2]

My shirt is red

[kikoman]

Thaksin's policies did hurt some people but they also helped many, 30 baht Medical care for the poor.

Poor Thais believe that Thaksin is the only politician that cared about them, whether the policy were good or bad, he was seen as a person that cared about the poor.

They do not care if he lined his own pockets with the country's tax money!

If the powers that be were pro active they would have, worked to gain the trust of the rank and file poor rice farmers and the high inflation and low wages and falling prices of agriculture products and passed programs to aid the poor at the same time eroding the Reds hold on the poor.

I am not kidding, I would like to see the court take His money and enact programs, to help the poor! 76 billion baht could do a lot for the government in power. To show the poor there is more than one person in Thailand that cares for them. That would not cost the Thai taxpayer one satang in extra taxes!

Thaksin has used the poor, with taxpayers money, not his own and the fact that he did not pay taxes, is lost on poor hungry masses!

Cheers

[h90]

I welcome all the new members.

Always when a Thaksin topic gets real hot, a lot new member with just a few postings learn about TV and enlighten us about the good doings from Thaksin and the evil government.

Are you guys new here, or are these formerly banned members reregistering?

Very strange......

[george]

THAKSIN'S BT76BN ASSETS TRIAL

Update:

Huge boost in security

Thousands of troops deployed to checkpoints and key sites around Bangkok, as well as Isaan and the North

The deployment of thousands of troops started in provinces across the country yesterday ahead of the verdict in the assets-seizure case against fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra, the government spokesman said.

Panitan Wattanayagorn said close to 200 checkpoints would be set up in and around Bangkok - where about 5,000 troops (54 companies) will be based, particularly at "points of entry and exit", key state agencies, and transport networks.

He said the monitoring was at a "normal level" at present but that the degree of intensity would gradually increase from next Monday until the court ruling on February 26.

"If not, there could be a serious problem. In the April 2009incident, we found it took a lot of time after orders were made before the security forces could come out. The protesters got close to intersections and many important agencies. This time, security forces will be in place before protesters arrive," Panitan said.

"The principle is clear: the government does not want a repeat of the volatility experienced in April 2009. We also believe that most protesters will come with a sincere intention to express their political stance. But with any efforts of incite violence, the authorities need to take control."

ANTI-RIOT DRILL

The Metropolitan Police will hold an anti-riot drill with military personnel next week involving more than 5,000 officers, its spokesman, Major-General Piya Uthayo, said yesterday.

A site big enough for a "large scale" drill was being sought, he said.

Senior Metropolitan Police chiefs met yesterday to discuss increased security measures for important figures who could become targets of violent attacks, according to Piya, who said that included Cabinet ministers, judges and privy councillors.

The meeting, chaired by Metropolitan Police commissioner Lt-General Santhan Chayanon, agreed to assign police stations whose jurisdiction included homes of possible targets to keep a 24-hour watch on those premises, the police spokesman said. Security cameras will be installed in places without any, while faulty ones will be repaired. Extra fences and barriers will be set up around such sites.

In addition to the 54 companies that will be stationed in the capital, three to five companies of troops will be sent to each of the 37 other provinces, said Panitan, who is also deputy secretary-general to the prime minister.

Each company consists of about 80 to a little over 100 men. The total number of security personnel to be deployed is estimated at 20,000.

Of the 38 provinces with increased security measures, 17 are in the Northeast, 10 in the North, nine in the central region and two in the South, said police. Thaksin's supporters are mostly in the North and Northeast.

The red-shirt movement, which consists mostly of Thaksin's supporters, has stepped up pressure for a fair trial. The case involves Bt76 billion frozen in Thai banks in accounts belonging to Thaksin and his family members.

Army specialist Maj-General Khattiya Sawasdipol, who supports the former PM, has warned of an alleged plot against judges hearing the case, who are from the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Political Office Holders.

The red shirts gathered yesterday at the Office of the Attorney-General to pressure for faster legal action against Thaksin's enemies, including leaders of the People's Alliance for Democracy. They plan another demonstration at the Royal Thai Police headquarters tomorrow, at the National Anti-Corruption Commission on Friday and outside the Election Commission next Monday.

Panitan said the government began its security preparations at a Cabinet meeting a few weeks ago.

"The government places great importance on the greater Bangkok area, because we understand there will be many demonstrators. Upcountry, our assessment is the number of protesters will not increase significantly - only a few thousands in each province," he said.

-- The Nation 2010-02-09

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Well, that is one way to bring about 'national Reconciliation"

Set up so-called control centers against the electoral majority.

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be honest:

since when was there ever an electoral majority in Thailand??

you donot pay means: no votes....

Now if you said FINANCIAL majority, I agree...

I donot really mind as from what you can see most Thais wouldnt know

whats the difference between Hittler and Miss Thailand...

(sorry if any miss Thailand feels insulted but I would say its the fault of OTHER ladies not knowing the difference...)

I know what I would do to sort the mess out but you wouldnt like that either.

Go back to the moment mr T entered the police and check from there on how he got his money...

And as you should know his and him/her wasnt always a different person!

[tracer]

What ever happened to 'rule of law' and honoring one's own Constitution?

Can you imagine what Europe or America would be like if the people simply stop obeying their constitution and threw their leaders out of office?

What a horrible mess Thailand has gotten into when they chose the slippery slope and ousted a democratically elected leader.

They should change their country nickname from LOS to LOV (land of violence).

well, it sounds like a good way to get rid of undesirable politicians...

I thought the UK had a few of them...

they are so corrupt that when they get caught they want to be free.... kick them out as alternative...

[tracer]

Thaksin's policies did hurt some people but they also helped many, 30 baht Medical care for the poor.

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didnt help at all, and hasnt helped anybody anywhere

there is no way you can provide medical care and get the money back.

AND, they tried it in many places, including eastern europe...

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Poor Thais believe that Thaksin is the only politician that cared about them, whether the policy were good or bad, he was seen as a person that cared about the poor.

They do not care if he lined his own pockets with the country's tax money!

If the powers that be were pro active they would have, worked to gain the trust of the rank and file poor rice farmers and the high inflation and low wages and falling prices of agriculture products and passed programs to aid the poor at the same time eroding the Reds hold on the poor.

I am not kidding, I would like to see the court take His money and enact programs, to help the poor! 76 billion baht could do a lot for the government in power. To show the poor there is more than one person in Thailand that cares for them. That would not cost the Thai taxpayer one satang in extra taxes!

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Problem, they should have done that as soon as he ran off.

Money spend, end of problem...

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Thaksin has used the poor, with taxpayers money, not his own and the fact that he did not pay taxes, is lost on poor hungry masses!

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well, look at who pays tax in Thailand?

probably mostly us farangs...

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Cheers

[tracer]

Actually I have 'family' that benefited from Thaksin's populist policies (no need for quotation marks). They bought land that came for sale due to people being unable to pay their debts incurred under the loans. The former land owning farmers are now tenant farmers and paying for the privilege of living on and farming land that they used to own. (I really ought to like Thaksin .. huh? If it weren't for Thaksin's statements that democracy wasn't his goal .. well .. no not even then would I have been for him!

So I guess your family are not farmers?

As it stands at the moment if a rice farmer does not have the ready cash to buy his yearly rice seeds for planting new crops he has to borrow money from loan sharks at 10% per month. go work that one out, 120% per year!

May be a few did get carried away with the loans but not all.

Sorry, but why donot they shut the lenders down as that rate is quite illegal...

And obviously provide the money from goverment sources... Should save everybody except the mentioned loan sharks enough money...

By the way if that 10% is 10% compounded interest, its a lot more then 120%...

[Richard W]

Do you not understand they [the reds] only want thier vote back. They did not elect this prime minister.

They elected, amongst others, friends of Newin. And these friends of Newin found that Thaksin was no friend of theirs, and eventually they chose Abhisit. That, I'm afraid, is representative democracy.

Furthermore, after the PPP was dissolved, there were by-elections. My analysis of the results showed that the majority of the electorate would have supported the new Abhisit government in a new election. Can you reasonably draw a different conclusion from those by-elections?

[checkout]

Security centers? What good would that be? They won't have any authority or any sane reason to do anything; that is if they can stay awake.

security centers hmm.to me that just sounds like an identifiable target.kinda like putting an x on your back.somewhere for that grenade to land....

[poleax]

Absolutely numbing. Time to do something consructive ... like read a good book. Have at it and maybe I'll wake up to find you have all come to an agreement and all is well, NOT!

Eventually they will all agree with me.

It is inevitable!

[animatic]

Absolutely numbing. Time to do something consructive ... like read a good book. Have at it and maybe I'll wake up to find you have all come to an agreement and all is well, NOT!

Eventually they will all agree with me.

It is inevitable!

I hope you have a lot of time to await your philosophical apotheosis!

You do see how Thaksonian this statement is?

[jayjayjayjay]

Who is in power, who controls the courts, no matter what election result we have over the next ten years, we can see the voice of the people not being heard. If someone is critical of the system of election, all I can say is get of your high horses and live up country for more than your Bkk paypackets allow for a 4 day holiday. You'll learn a lot, and learn why Mr. T was and is so popular. The fact I have well over a thousand staff all on minimum wage, and take the time to visit their families and kin in their villages gives a pretty strong impression of what they think about political horse sh*t that comes out of Bkk. If they end up rising up in protest against PAD, Dems, or Prem, all I can say is keep your head down, coz they are one very cohesive group (50 million strong)and really pissed off with central rule right now.

Just reporting the facts.

Shame you can't seem to get those facts straight between threads. After all, in the "Anupong denies coup" thread you said

If a new election was called, Dems would not get back in, neither would Newin Chidchob get votes like he did last election. BhumiJai would be as good as history. I've got 2000 staff who say that, and I'm in the heart of Newin country.

Now it's "well over a thousand" staff? Of course, 2000 is well over 1000, but I wonder why you didn't say 2000, or even well over 1500 if that was the case? I can't wait for the next installment when we find out you actually employ an old Khmer couple and a daschund named Colin.

Facetiousness aside, you claim to employ somewhere between 1000 and 2000 staff at minimum wage in Buri Ram, making you one of the single biggest employers in the province, and they all tell you who they will vote for? And, what's more, from that, you extrapolate 50 million people support "Mr T"? With facts like these, who needs fiction? I can't claim to be in the same league as you, both in terms of employment and story telling. I only have five permanent staff in Buri Ram. I do, however, live in the same village as them, and do pay them more than minimum wage. While I would never presume to tell them who to vote for, I know that the majority of people I talk with in the village would no sooner vote for Thaksin than poke a skewer into their eyeballs. Of course, I have no way of proving this, just as you have no way of proving your story, but I'm not the one making ridiculous claims about 50 million people supporting Thaksin.

By the way, I saw Newin yesterday at a monk's funeral in Krasang district. I can't stand the corrupt power monkey myself, but there were a whole lot of poor farmers swarming around him in what looked like adulation. And not a red shirt to be seen.

And back on topic, I'm quite sure that if you were to ask all those beaten, killed or just bullied by the red thugs around the country, they would whole heartedly agree with this plan by the government. It may even be the first step to allowing candidates from all political parties to campaign in certain areas without fear of violence and intimidation. As this is something that must be guaranteed before elections can take place, I wonder why the usual, and returned, "immediate elections now" brigade here are so opposed to it? Just as I wonder what a bunch of "non violent" red supporters have to fear from it?

The largest employer outside of government in Surin, not Buriram, but being 15km from the Buriram border does mean we have a large component of Buriram employees too. As for the exact number, it does fluctuate daily, but the higher number is closer to the exact figure. Visit if you wish! I dine with 18-20 staff on a circulating basis every day, and I do not speak politics with them, they however bring up the issue time and time again. I do ask there opinion of future elections, the response always in Mr T's favour. So my question is, who are the people whom have skewers in their eyes. Simply I question your method to communicate. I expected the comment on the 50m(hook line and sinker to you).

[ark3]

Security Centres??? Could perhaps be renamed to Re-education Centres for the uneducated poor

[jayjayjayjay]

Who is in power, who controls the courts, no matter what election result we have over the next ten years, we can see the voice of the people not being heard. If someone is critical of the system of election, all I can say is get of your high horses and live up country for more than your Bkk paypackets allow for a 4 day holiday. You'll learn a lot, and learn why Mr. T was and is so popular. The fact I have well over a thousand staff all on minimum wage, and take the time to visit their families and kin in their villages gives a pretty strong impression of what they think about political horse sh*t that comes out of Bkk. If they end up rising up in protest against PAD, Dems, or Prem, all I can say is keep your head down, coz they are one very cohesive group (50 million strong)and really pissed off with central rule right now.

Just reporting the facts.

Some would suggest that an electorate that can't see beyond the next meal and whose aspirations extend no further than the acquisition of a brand new scooter is perfect fodder for a joker like Thaksin. As always, democratic societies get the governments they deserve largely on account of the fact that the peoples' individual votes are almost always motivated by self interest rather than what's good for the country as a whole.

I wish Abhisit and his government good luck during the forthcoming unrest but just in case it all goes Pete Tong, I've got a lift outta here on an extremely fast speedboat

My shirt is orange, I acutally support much of what Abhisit is doing(but he is surrounded by the same scum that exists in every government, Suthep, Barnharn, Newin, Sanot, and this does not exclude Mr.T's administration), however, my main gripe is that a coup d'etat should not have been the method to remove Mr T. The electorate should have been given that chance. Whether it took 2 years or 10 years, it would have helped Thailand move towards true democracy. And stories of Thailand diving into oblivion in the mean time are fairy tales, we could not be in a worse situation than we are now, 3.5 years down the track and country still severely divided. The economic downturn itself could have sped up Mr.T's exit for all we know.

[webfact]

UPDATE

Govt overreacting to red shirts: Weng

BANGKOK: -- The government's security alert is an overreaction and its plans to boost security forces in 38 provinces, including the set-up of 200 checkpoints in the capital, will cause unjustified anxiety, red-shirt leader Weng Tojirakarn said on Tuesday.

"The government is making a big fuss and it is not even clear when the red shirts will hold a mass protest," he said.

The red shirts do not organise armed units in 38 provinces as alleged by the authorities and their rally plan has not been finalised, he said.

-- The Nation 2010-02-09

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[ivowatson]

The government should distribute the Thaksin Asset to the poor people of the North East so it will keep peace and make everyone happy

Why do you think that's where Taksin's backbone of support is? Might have something to do with his government trying to drag them out of poverty. Basic free healthcare and education. He's got his faults but he's not all bad. Show me a business man or polititian who isn't corrupt in some way and I'll eat my flip flops!

Bon appetit to the ignorant.

Redistributing this money to the benefit of the poor would really shut up the reds and knock out Thaksin for good but I guess it's wishful thinking. Just like putting some yellow shirt leaders in jail if only for a few months would be a great strategic move to put some reds in prison too, later. Everybody happy? I don't think so. When push comes to shove, I suspect some deal makings will appear. All forgiven and nobody goes to jail. Selfish cowards! We love our country and democracy but money and ourselves much more.

[thepodest]

UPDATE

Govt overreacting to red shirts: Weng

BANGKOK: -- The government's security alert is an overreaction and its plans to boost security forces in 38 provinces, including the set-up of 200 checkpoints in the capital, will cause unjustified anxiety, red-shirt leader Weng Tojirakarn said on Tuesday.

"The government is making a big fuss and it is not even clear when the red shirts will hold a mass protest," he said.

The red shirts do not organise armed units in 38 provinces as alleged by the authorities and their rally plan has not been finalised, he said.

-- The Nation 2010-02-09

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When?

When their boss is about to lose his 76 billion worth of assets.

[animatic]

Yes, yes stand down the security aparatus the red Leader states

we might not even HAVE a rally.

Right, let you guard down so we can win...

the guy must be daft to think they will

heed his call to throw caution to the wind.

[h90]

Anyone heard what the Red shirts plan now?

Demonstrations? Civil war?

[ianf]

~snip~

There are two interesting things that stand out in this article for me. Firstly, the NPP/PAD's sec-gen's prediction that there will be a coup soon.

Secondly, his call for the state-controlled media to "broadcast only *true* news in an effort to avoid violent confrontations."

I wonder just what he means when he says *true* news?

Well, let's be fair. If there are radio stations that are 101% red & spreading nothing but BS -- might it not be an idea to shut them down? The way I read it, it's not so much a question of censorship (there was enough of that during Taksin times...). But of course, these are paranoid times

Democracy can only work if the legislators themselves recognise the rule of law. When the reds talk about Democracy it is bull**** - just words. There was no democracy under Thaksin - he dictated to the country, he dictated to the cabinet. So why are they fighting for the return of Thaksin if they really want democracy? If Thaksin returns there will be no democracy - there will be a dictatorship and the extremists will run a witchhunt against anyone who has opposed them. There is a precedent for this. Thaksin's extra-judicial killings were not necessarily aimed at drug dealers - this was just a cover-up because there is evidence that political opponents were gunned down as part of this programme.

We cannot call the present government a democratic government but what we can say is that it is doing its best to provide some stability and prevent the return of a nasty dictatorship under very trying circumstances. Many Thai people are opposed to the reds. I know some who pay lipservice to following the reds but these same people have told me that they will not vote for them at an election. Then we cannot discount the role of those in higher authority who understand the damage that will be done to this country if Thaksin returns.

Many of Thaksin's statements are contradictory - his actions of the past have never matched up to his sweet mouth words. He is a peculiar man, very good at manipulating others but actually not quite as clever as people may think. At the end of the day he will always be his own worst enemy and I think he will come to a sticky end. He should have kept to his word when he first went on the run and said he would stay out of politics. But his investment now is only being made for one purpose and that is for the return of his ill-gotten gains. I hope for the sake of the Thai people that he just fades away and allows the country to settle down. Nasty? That's too nice a word to describe him.

[ballpoint]

The largest employer outside of government in Surin, not Buriram, but being 15km from the Buriram border does mean we have a large component of Buriram employees too. As for the exact number, it does fluctuate daily, but the higher number is closer to the exact figure. Visit if you wish! I dine with 18-20 staff on a circulating basis every day, and I do not speak politics with them, they however bring up the issue time and time again. I do ask there opinion of future elections, the response always in Mr T's favour. So my question is, who are the people whom have skewers in their eyes. Simply I question your method to communicate. I expected the comment on the 50m(hook line and sinker to you).

Being in Surin does make a difference, however close to the Buri Ram border you may be. Surin town is itself only about 15km from the border by road. You could also possibly be in Chompra, Tha Tum, Prasat or Kap Choeng districts, assuming you're on a main road. I'd hardly call any of these "the heart of Newin country". Both provinces have 9 seats. In the 2001 elections, before the TRT managed to buy out most of the remaining competition in Isaan, Newins CTP won five seats in Buri Ram, mostly by members of the Chidchob clan, and one seat in Surin, with the TRT winning the rest. In 2005 and 2007, the parties may have changed, but the names pretty much remain the same. This suggests, in recent years, Buri Ram has always been slightly pro Newin, and Surin strongly pro Thaksin. I'd predict similar in the next elections to be held, with BJT replacing CTP and PPP beside the pro Newin MP's names. I guess we'll find out in the next elections. And no, I don't expect to see any eyeball skewers, the Thaksin supporters will vote PTP, the Newin supporters BJT.

As for my communication method, I do live in the same village as the people I'm talking with. I do speak the local Khmer dialect. I am also looking at their actions, not just what they are saying. I do know people who came back from yellow and red rallies with thousands of baht in their pockets, some of them attending both. I do know that those who came back from the Songkhran redshirt rallies soon learned not to boast about the money they earned - many village families have relatives in the poorer areas of Bangkok, such as Din Daeng, and there was at least one black eye given to a female rally attendee by the wife of a husband working in Bangkok at the time. I do know there are many many BJT banners up in our village and surrounding ones, whereas the only prominant PTP one I can think of is on highway 226, in Surin province. I do know Newin is still strongly liked by many - long before Thaksin's populist policies, Newin did the same simple tricks of handing out T-shirts (his "We're Newin's friend, Newin's our friend" shirts were very common up to a year or so ago when they finally rotted away. Many times while still on the backs of the farmers), and "donations" to temples. He also perfected the art of handing out government money, such as flood relief payments and road improvements, in such a way as to imply the money was coming from him personally, a tactic later picked up and expanded upon by Thaksin. As I said in my earlier post, I don't like the guy, but I'm not going to preach to my fellow villagers not to vote for him, or even Thaksin, should they desire. Putting it all together, I come to the conclusion that most do desire to vote for Newin's man, few for Thaksin's.

Edited February 9, 2010 by ballpoint