GT200 Bomb Detector Does Not Work: PM

[Thai at Heart]

This has to be about as accurate as tossing a coin. The great tragedy is that soldiers lives are involved in this SCAM.

How about some accountability here? To much to ask for SURE! TIT!

Tossing a coin would come up right ~10 times (statistically speaking), not 4 times...

How can a box without battery power work? Black magic???

I wonder if the same guy was holding the apparatus the 4 times that it successfully found the explosives.

They will probably promote him to chief explosives searcher with a big allowance for amulets.

[DP25]

4 out of 20 = 25 % - "mai bhen rai" science! & they want to have nuclear reactors!!!

They already do, and have since the 1960s

[webfact]

Thai PM says dogs better than bomb detectors

BANGKOK: -- (AFP) - Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said Tuesday he had ordered the military to stop buying a British-made bomb scanner after tests proved it performed worse than a sniffer dog.

Abhisit said Thailand had already spent at least 21 million dollars on between 700 and 800 of the detectors since 2003.

"We consider that a sniffer dog is better than the GT200," Abhisit told reporters.

"Therefore there will be no additional purchases of this machine."

Tests on the GT200 were conducted by Thailand's science ministry over the weekend following warnings by the British government and showed the scanner detected bombs in only four out of 20 cases.

The detectors had already been sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, but Britain has since banned them.

They consist of an aerial on a handle, connected to a black box into which substance detection cards are supposed to be placed. They are said to use static electricity to function.

Thailand's security forces had bought the scanner for use in its far south, where a six-year separatist insurgency has claimed more than 4,100 lives.

Abhisit said the Thai government would consider suing the product's British maker ATSC, as well as Thai dealer Avia Satcom Co, which sold the scanner to security agencies for an average one million baht (30,000 dollars) each.

-- ©Copyright AFP 2010-02-16

Published with written approval from AFP.

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[sharecropper]

Good for him for having had it tested then announced publicly that it is rubbish, in spite of the army having been embarrased.

A small step in many of our home countries, but a big one here.

[Langsuan Man]

I want to know who the idiot was that signed the contract that prevented them from being laboratory tested

Evidently the contract had a non disclosure type agreement that prohibited the purchaser from opening them up to determine there was nothing inside

[poldebol]

This has to be about as accurate as tossing a coin. The great tragedy is that soldiers lives are involved in this SCAM.

How about some accountability here? To much to ask for SURE! TIT!

Tossing a coin is about 50% accurate, I guess. 4 in 20 is 20%. Coins would be cheaper and more accurate.

[poldebol]

Am I reading here that the Thai have bought these detectors in quantity and did not check them before they paid or signed?

Two months ago I asked to test-ride a Yamaha for only 50 m on the parking of the shop. I had the money in my pocket for the advance. "Test-ride no possible Mister"

"I wish you a very happy day" Wai Wai!

[reallyok]

This has to be about as accurate as tossing a coin. The great tragedy is that soldiers lives are involved in this SCAM.

How about some accountability here? To much to ask for SURE! TIT!

Tossing a coin would come up right ~10 times (statistically speaking), not 4 times...

How can a box without battery power work? Black magic???

Bloody easy..............just fix one of those military issue amulets to it dummy !

[jdinasia]

The claim is that static electricity draws in the trace from explosives that then show up on the detection swabs.

If that worked you could just attach a swab to an iron nail .. attach it to the swab with copper wire .. and spin the nail through the air!

[frederick5]

I want to know who the idiot was that signed the contract that prevented them from being laboratory tested

Whoever was in power in 2003

BANGKOK: -- (AFP) -

Thailand had already spent at least 21 million dollars on between 700 and 800 of the detectors since 2003.

[webfact]

GT200 BOMB DETECTORS

Bt800-million embarrassment

By The Nation

BANGKOK: -- As the expensive GT200 device was found to be inferior at sniffing out bombs than the K9 squad, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday instructed security agencies to review the use of the imported detectors and stop buying more.

"Scientifically speaking, dogs have already been proved to be more efficient than the bomb detectors," he said.

The double-blind testing done over the weekend showed the GT200 succeeded in detecting explosives in only four out of 20 tries, he said.

"The result has no statistical significance. The performance is equivalent to random chance," he told reporters.

The British-made GT200 bomb detectors were introduced to the Thai armed forces in 2004 when the Air Force used them to search for explosive substances. The Army began buying them when General Sonthi Boonyaratglin was its chief. A big lot was ordered last year.

MANY AGENCIES USE DEVICE

Many agencies, including the National Police, Interior Ministry and Narcotics Control Board, use a similar model but a different brand, such as the Alpha 6.

Thailand has spent between Bt700 million and Bt800 million to acquire some 1,000 dowsing devices in recent years, Abhisit said.

All agencies using such gear must report to him how many they have, how they use them and how much they spent for such false technology, he said.

The Science Ministry, which conducted the scientific test, would explain to the agencies the results on its effectiveness.

PREMIER'S WARNING

Any agencies willing to continue using such detectors would do so at their own peril, Abhisit said.

On the sidelines of the Cabinet meeting, Abhisit met with Army chief Anupong Paochinda to inform him of the test results and have the military stop purchasing more bogus bomb detectors.

The Army chief understood the scientific test, Abhisit said.

Army spokesman Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd said unless units on the ground could find a substitute, they had the authority to decide whether to continue using the GT200.

"For the time being, the Army will send alternatives, such as Fido explosive detectors and sniffer dogs, to operate in the restive South," he said.

Pornthip Rojanasunand, director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, said she would continue using the gadget despite its poor performance.

"I know it's not scientific equipment, but forensic scientists can use it effectively," she said. "We won't buy more, but we won't stop using them either."

Justice Minister Pirapan Salirathavibhaga said he would not allow any agencies under the ministry to purchase more detectors and would send the Alpha 6 detectors widely used by the Narcotics Control Board for testing.

Abhisit said the Interior Ministry, which also owned some Alpha 6 bomb detectors, would send the equipment to see if it could pass scientific testing.

-- The Nation 2010-02-17

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[shawndoc]

Its amazing just how many countries got duped by these. A piece of plastic with a cheap antenna attached to it and nothing else.

Whoever owns that company sure has a huge set of mangos.

[Thai at Heart]

GT200 BOMB DETECTORS

Bt800-million embarrassment

By The Nation

Pornthip Rojanasunand, director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, said she would continue using the gadget despite its poor performance.

"I know it's not scientific equipment, but forensic scientists can use it effectively," she said. "We won't buy more, but we won't stop using them either."

-- The Nation 2010-02-17

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

And there we have the most nonsensical statement ever made in the history of Thailand.

Loudmouth forensic scientists can use it effectively because it catches static from the air and makes our hair stand on end and turn funny colours?

This is how low the pooyai will go to save face when caught hook line and sinker being absolutely 100% wrong.

[chantorn]

Pornthip Rojanasunand, director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, said she would continue using the gadget despite its poor performance.

"I know it's not scientific equipment, but forensic scientists can use it effectively,"

She is a clever girl. I like her a lot. I am sure she is correct. She has my full support in using it.

[Thai at Heart]

Pornthip Rojanasunand, director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, said she would continue using the gadget despite its poor performance.

"I know it's not scientific equipment, but forensic scientists can use it effectively,"

She is a clever girl. I like her a lot. I am sure she is correct. She has my full support in using it.

I think they should send her out with the army in the South to see how well it works. I am sure her morale boosting support will have those boys raring to go and search out those bombs.

In fact, I think even better, they should send her out at the front since she believes it works so well.

[thepodest]

Pornthip Rojanasunand, director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, said she would continue using the gadget despite its poor performance.

"I know it's not scientific equipment, but forensic scientists can use it effectively,"

She is a clever girl. I like her a lot. I am sure she is correct. She has my full support in using it.

Yes indeed. That's how she landed the job of Director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science in the first place

[chantorn]

Pornthip Rojanasunand, director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, said she would continue using the gadget despite its poor performance.

"I know it's not scientific equipment, but forensic scientists can use it effectively,"

She is a clever girl. I like her a lot. I am sure she is correct. She has my full support in using it.

I think they should send her out with the army in the South to see how well it works. I am sure her morale boosting support will have those boys raring to go and search out those bombs.

In fact, I think even better, they should send her out at the front since she believes it works so well.

"The double-blind testing done over the weekend showed the GT200 succeeded in detecting explosives in only four out of 20 tries" Mark said.

Come on, Saving 1 life out of every four that could halp been KILLED by nomb in the South is a worthwhile investment from the country. Even at 800 million Baht. Example, if 800 people where save in 1 year, it only cost the Thai government 1 million baht per head. This is very cheap. Would you not agree with me?

[Thai at Heart]

Pornthip Rojanasunand, director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, said she would continue using the gadget despite its poor performance.

"I know it's not scientific equipment, but forensic scientists can use it effectively,"

She is a clever girl. I like her a lot. I am sure she is correct. She has my full support in using it.

I think they should send her out with the army in the South to see how well it works. I am sure her morale boosting support will have those boys raring to go and search out those bombs.

In fact, I think even better, they should send her out at the front since she believes it works so well.

"The double-blind testing done over the weekend showed the GT200 succeeded in detecting explosives in only four out of 20 tries" Mark said.

Come on, Saving 1 life out of every four that could halp been KILLED by nomb in the South is a worthwhile investment from the country. Even at 800 million Baht. Example, if 800 people where save in 1 year, it only cost the Thai government 1 million baht per head. This is very cheap. Would you not agree with me?

i presume your joking, but anyway.......

Better way of looking at it might be that it gave the army the right to lock up 40% of the people who didn't have explosives in their possession. From their point of view, a good investment.

Or another, 4 out of 10, means that they other 6 times, they missed bombs that could have or did explode, so ended up costing lives.

I definitely wouldn't have wanted to be a bomb disposal guy working with one of these things. Surely they worked out that it was a load of BS the first time they saw it.

[chantorn]

Pornthip Rojanasunand, director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, said she would continue using the gadget despite its poor performance.

"I know it's not scientific equipment, but forensic scientists can use it effectively,"

She is a clever girl. I like her a lot. I am sure she is correct. She has my full support in using it.

I think they should send her out with the army in the South to see how well it works. I am sure her morale boosting support will have those boys raring to go and search out those bombs.

In fact, I think even better, they should send her out at the front since she believes it works so well.

"The double-blind testing done over the weekend showed the GT200 succeeded in detecting explosives in only four out of 20 tries" Mark said.

Come on, Saving 1 life out of every four that could halp been KILLED by nomb in the South is a worthwhile investment from the country. Even at 800 million Baht. Example, if 800 people where save in 1 year, it only cost the Thai government 1 million baht per head. This is very cheap. Would you not agree with me?

i presume your joking, but anyway.......

Better way of looking at it might be that it gave the army the right to lock up 40% of the people who didn't have explosives in their possession. From their point of view, a good investment.

Or another, 4 out of 10, means that they other 6 times, they missed bombs that could have or did explode, so ended up costing lives.

I definitely wouldn't have wanted to be a bomb disposal guy working with one of these things. Surely they worked out that it was a load of BS the first time they saw it.

Khunying Porntip said her institute had found the device effective. "I've said GT200 is not a scientific device." she said. "Its efficiency also relies on human interactions. The institute has found it effective as a supplementary device."

If you don't respect Thai men, that's OK. But you must not disrepect KhunYing Porntit. She is the most respected girl in Thailand.

[Thai at Heart]

Khunying Porntip said her institute had found the device effective. "I've said GT200 is not a scientific device." she said. "Its efficiency also relies on human interactions. The institute has found it effective as a supplementary device."

If you don't respect Thai men, that's OK. But you must not disrepect KhunYing Porntit. She is the most respected girl in Thailand.

If you say so, who am I to argue.

I trust you will be with her on her bomb hunt.

[johncitizen]

Chantorn, please watch this BBC piece which originally exposed the GT200 for the scam that it is. Then you may be more forgiving for what you perceive as "disrespect" for a woman who insists on defending technology that is less useful in detecting bombs than FLIPPING A COIN. At $30 000 a pop. Either she is nuts, involved in the scam or getting leaned on by someone who is.

THE FACTS-

-The only electrical equipment in the device is a card which has an extremely simplistic circuit inside- about as sophistocated as a barcode.

-There is possible way it could detect bombs, let alone drugs, water sources or "elephants."

-It swings to face things that you are already paying attention to anyway, because the movements in your wrists upsets the balance of the wire at the front.

-IT IS A SCAM, and we need to be asking the military hard questions on how they did not know about its effectiveness, and what they were getting in kickbacks from the sales.

[somluck]

If you don't respect Thai men, that's OK. But you must not disrepect KhunYing Porntit. She is the most respected girl in Thailand.

Yes - i will have to agree with that

For her contributions to Thai society the King bestowed the title of Khunying, the highest honour given to a woman, on Dr Pornthip in 2003.

[chantorn]

Chantorn, please watch this BBC piece which originally exposed the GT200 for the scam that it is. Then you may be more forgiving for what you perceive as "disrespect" for a woman who insists on defending technology that is less useful in detecting bombs than FLIPPING A COIN. At $30 000 a pop. Either she is nuts, involved in the scam or getting leaned on by someone who is.

THE FACTS-

-The only electrical equipment in the device is a card which has an extremely simplistic circuit inside- about as sophistocated as a barcode.

-There is possible way it could detect bombs, let alone drugs, water sources or "elephants."

-It swings to face things that you are already paying attention to anyway, because the movements in your wrists upsets the balance of the wire at the front.

-IT IS A SCAM, and we need to be asking the military hard questions on how they did not know about its effectiveness, and what they were getting in kickbacks from the sales.

I may be not very smart in technology. I still don't know how to set the clock in my video machine, hence it always blink 00:00. However, Khunying Porntit is a director of a institution in Thailand. Do you think she does not know about the BBC reports? I think she has seen all the foreign reports already.

However, I admire that she has the FAITH in this machines, that is why she TRUST her life in it. For that I respect her as one of the greatest Thai girl in Thailand. I will support her if she wants to buy more of this machines. In fact, the Thai government she distribute one to every home in Southern Thailand. Then you can be sure that the next stranger knocking at your door is just a door to door salesmen, and not a bomber.

Edited February 17, 2010 by chantorn

[slapout]

Respect is one of those displays/honors displayed by one individual to another on a contingency basis. It is earned through actions, display of indisputable character, etc. If the person thus honored does not continue his or her deeds/actions which prompted this respect, it,(RESPECT) will be fleeting.

[howto]

I'm not defending the mfgr of the GT200 or the Alpha6.

Well, Static Electricity "can be used".

At any given time of the day, one will have a "static charge".

Typically it is < 2000 volts, and low current.

The "charge" depends upon several factors...

1 - Temp

2 - Humidity

3 - Clothing

and several other factors.

Many of you come from areas that have seasons...

many of you have experienced a shock,

in the summer, with the AC on or

in the winter with the heat on.

Yes, you walked across a carpet and touched something.

If you saw a "spark" that was at least 30,000 volts.

All digital electronics engineers are taught this...

as they know to wear a "grounding strap" to prevent it.

But I do not think this device works from "static electricity",

I suspect it works from RF (radio frequency).

Why? Because it has an antenna.

Antenna's can generate 500mV (0.50v) if tuned to a strong station.

Yes, antenna's generates electricity.

Most of you have a car/truck, in which is a stereo unit,

and can scan to find strong stations,

note you also have an antenna on your car/truck.

The "chip" that does this in the stereo is very small.

It is very easy to adjust that chip for finding only strong signals.

Hence, the antenna is not used to "sniff", it is the power source.

Actually quite easy to do.

Further, that power is stored in capacitors.

They buffer and feed the power to the chip as needed.

Usually there is a power regulation segment.

Many chips now only need 0.3 volt to operate.

All of this can be on one small chip.

As far as China stealing and duping it...

well most may know this mfgr

had those pcb boards and chips made in Taiwan,

(simply because it is far cheaper).

Perhaps the injection molding for the case was done in Europe,

but I doubt it. Just costs too much.

But one cannot access the chip without access codes.

Been there, done that.

So the device actually does work.

Albeit poorly.

Perhaps that is a result of the code imprinted on the chip.

How many of you have gone thru so many Windows OS's?

I started at Dos v1.0 then

w3.0, w3.1, w3.11, w98, w98se, w2k, wXP, wVista.

Oh, I forgot NT3 and NT4.

All with so many patches and updates.

What I'm trying to say here is...

the device does work, but poorly.

I would blame it on the following factors...

1 - poor code

2 - lack of sensitivity

3 - lack of operator training

BTW #3 is there because of only this,

several of you have be "hunters" in the past.

You know it is important to be downwind of prey.

The same principal applies here,

the wind must be blowing in the correct direction

else the the "sniffer" will not detect those scent molecules.

Ok, the GT200 "DID" work, but only to a limited degree.

Only 20% (so they say).

And there are many explosives it cannot detect...

(nor can others detect them).

So this mfgr reputation has been tarnished.

Did they rush it to market? Probably.

Did the mfgr make a lot of money? Yes.

Did the mfgr re-invest (R&D) towards making it better? Perhaps.

Could a device such as this be the future? Yes.

Scam, I think not.

Just a product rushed to market too soon.

Just like all the others in commercialism,

huge development, manufacturing and sales cost,

only in this case, it targeted some explosives and governments.

Now Dogs...

usually it is a Collie or a Shepard.

Takes 2 years to raise them, and 2 years of intensive training.

Usually trained to sniff for drugs or explosives.

Not usually both.

They can not smell what they have not been trained for.

Well, they do smell it but ignore it.

So, what they have been trained for, they detect 100%.

They are very good for sniffing nitrates

What about the newer explosives or drugs?

Such as,

hydrogen peroxide with hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD)?

Or LSD, mescaline, peyote, GBH, Yabaa, Ice?

No the dogs can't sniff it.

Now Pornthip said she will continue to use the device,

I will interpret her words to say...

20% of something is better than 0% of nothing.

Can anyone blame her? I would do the same thing!

BUT, were the previous test accurate?

AND Pornthip should run tests on this device,

(yes, she is responsible for the forensics lab),

on the 4~5 most commonly used explosives.

Just to see if this device can pass even at 20% in a lab.

She should want to know!

Well, unless she was one one "commitea'.

I spelled it that way on purpose.

Or one of many whom accepted bribes. Very likely.

So end of the day,

it will cost as much to have 1500 trained dogs,

with their masters, trained and well fed (both),

and one can expect perhaps slightly more performance.

I've had my say on reality, such as it is here in LoS.

Cheers.

[Thai at Heart]

However, I admire that she has the FAITH in this machines, that is why she TRUST her life in it. For that I respect her as one of the greatest Thai girl in Thailand. I will support her if she wants to buy more of this machines. In fact, the Thai government she distribute one to every home in Southern Thailand. Then you can be sure that the next stranger knocking at your door is just a door to door salesmen, and not a bomber.

Well I sincerely hope they don't demo her putting her faith in it. How would you like it, Russian roulette with 6 bullets, 5 without powder and 1 with? I bet I can make a katoey detector out of sticky backed plastic that is more accurate than 20%.

I hope you are a troll, because this is definitely a case of the Emperor being stark b******k naked.

[chantorn]

I'm not defending the mfgr of the GT200 or the Alpha6.

Well, Static Electricity "can be used".

At any given time of the day, one will have a "static charge".

Typically it is < 2000 volts, and low current.

The "charge" depends upon several factors...

1 - Temp

2 - Humidity

3 - Clothing

and several other factors.

Many of you come from areas that have seasons...

many of you have experienced a shock,

in the summer, with the AC on or

in the winter with the heat on.

Yes, you walked across a carpet and touched something.

If you saw a "spark" that was at least 30,000 volts.

All digital electronics engineers are taught this...

as they know to wear a "grounding strap" to prevent it.

But I do not think this device works from "static electricity",

I suspect it works from RF (radio frequency).

Why? Because it has an antenna.

Antenna's can generate 500mV (0.50v) if tuned to a strong station.

Yes, antenna's generates electricity.

Most of you have a car/truck, in which is a stereo unit,

and can scan to find strong stations,

note you also have an antenna on your car/truck.

The "chip" that does this in the stereo is very small.

It is very easy to adjust that chip for finding only strong signals.

Hence, the antenna is not used to "sniff", it is the power source.

Actually quite easy to do.

Further, that power is stored in capacitors.

They buffer and feed the power to the chip as needed.

Usually there is a power regulation segment.

Many chips now only need 0.3 volt to operate.

All of this can be on one small chip.

As far as China stealing and duping it...

well most may know this mfgr

had those pcb boards and chips made in Taiwan,

(simply because it is far cheaper).

Perhaps the injection molding for the case was done in Europe,

but I doubt it. Just costs too much.

But one cannot access the chip without access codes.

Been there, done that.

So the device actually does work.

Albeit poorly.

Perhaps that is a result of the code imprinted on the chip.

How many of you have gone thru so many Windows OS's?

I started at Dos v1.0 then

w3.0, w3.1, w3.11, w98, w98se, w2k, wXP, wVista.

Oh, I forgot NT3 and NT4.

All with so many patches and updates.

What I'm trying to say here is...

the device does work, but poorly.

I would blame it on the following factors...

1 - poor code

2 - lack of sensitivity

3 - lack of operator training

BTW #3 is there because of only this,

several of you have be "hunters" in the past.

You know it is important to be downwind of prey.

The same principal applies here,

the wind must be blowing in the correct direction

else the the "sniffer" will not detect those scent molecules.

Ok, the GT200 "DID" work, but only to a limited degree.

Only 20% (so they say).

And there are many explosives it cannot detect...

(nor can others detect them).

So this mfgr reputation has been tarnished.

Did they rush it to market? Probably.

Did the mfgr make a lot of money? Yes.

Did the mfgr re-invest (R&D) towards making it better? Perhaps.

Could a device such as this be the future? Yes.

Scam, I think not.

Just a product rushed to market too soon.

Just like all the others in commercialism,

huge development, manufacturing and sales cost,

only in this case, it targeted some explosives and governments.

Now Dogs...

usually it is a Collie or a Shepard.

Takes 2 years to raise them, and 2 years of intensive training.

Usually trained to sniff for drugs or explosives.

Not usually both.

They can not smell what they have not been trained for.

Well, they do smell it but ignore it.

So, what they have been trained for, they detect 100%.

They are very good for sniffing nitrates

What about the newer explosives or drugs?

Such as,

hydrogen peroxide with hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD)?

Or LSD, mescaline, peyote, GBH, Yabaa, Ice?

No the dogs can't sniff it.

Now Pornthip said she will continue to use the device,

I will interpret her words to say...

20% of something is better than 0% of nothing.

Can anyone blame her? I would do the same thing!

BUT, were the previous test accurate?

AND Pornthip should run tests on this device,

(yes, she is responsible for the forensics lab),

on the 4~5 most commonly used explosives.

Just to see if this device can pass even at 20% in a lab.

She should want to know!

Well, unless she was one one "commitea'.

I spelled it that way on purpose.

Or one of many whom accepted bribes. Very likely.

So end of the day,

it will cost as much to have 1500 trained dogs,

with their masters, trained and well fed (both),

and one can expect perhaps slightly more performance.

I've had my say on reality, such as it is here in LoS.

Cheers.

By any chance are you related to Porntit, the KhunYing?

[shawndoc]

Khunying Porntip said her institute had found the device effective. "I've said GT200 is not a scientific device." she said. "Its efficiency also relies on human interactions. The institute has found it effective as a supplementary device."

Seems to me she's basically saying "Yes I know it doesn't actually work. However, if people think it will work, those smuggling a bomb will get nervous and we'll be able to pick up on their unease while waving the device around in front of them."

This is very similar to how El Al operates. They stop and interview every person boarding the plane, they ask simple questions that are designed to generate an emotional response, and have trained their security people to recognize unusual responses.

At first I thought she was stupid/corrupt, but now I'm thinking she's just being coy and doesn't want to fully explain the psychological impact of the device on would be bombers, because it relies on the bombers believing the device actually works.

[thepodest]

I think I know why she is defending this "thing"

Remember the case where PAD protesters supposedly died from the tear gas and not from bomb explosion?

"Our team has used a GT200 substance detector and found no substance used in making bombs. We've already checked the clash scenes and the bodies and clothing of the injured victims," she said Link

"2008 clashes between police and the Peoples Alliance for Democracy resulted in several serious injuries, but much confusion as to whether the injuries were caused by police tear gas grenades or improvised explosive devices carried by the protesters. Pornthip used a GT200 device to conclude that the protester injuries were not caused by IEDs and concluded that faulty tear gas grenades caused the injuries, leading to the removal from office of the national police chief" From wikipedia

Anyways she has gained her new name as "Porndrift" in Thai boards because she just keeps drifting in her statements lol

Edited February 17, 2010 by thepodest

[chantorn]

I think I know why she is defending this "thing"

Remember the case where PAD protesters supposedly died from the tear gas and not from bomb explosion?

"Our team has used a GT200 substance detector and found no substance used in making bombs. We've already checked the clash scenes and the bodies and clothing of the injured victims," she said Link

"2008 clashes between police and the Peoples Alliance for Democracy resulted in several serious injuries, but much confusion as to whether the injuries were caused by police tear gas grenades or improvised explosive devices carried by the protesters. Pornthip used a GT200 device to conclude that the protester injuries were not caused by IEDs and concluded that faulty tear gas grenades caused the injuries, leading to the removal from office of the national police chief" From wikipedia

Anyways she has gained her new name as "Porndrift" in Thai boards because she just keeps drifting in her statements lol

So this case has to be re-opened? What is PAD and Sondhi have got to say?