Thought Provoking

[ray23]

I received this from another retired cop who is still working in the security field in America. I have my own thoughts about it, since I'm no longer in the field and my thought process has changed considerably. But I have to admit I still think like a sheep dog. Anyway I thought worth sharing.

I edited this Ray not because of the content but the edited version that Steve submitted is much more readable.

regards

bronco

Edited May 14, 2005 by bronco

[tolsti]

I tried to read this but with all those >> marks it is totally unreadable.

If you are going to cut and paste something surely you can take a little time to make it readable!!!

[Jai Dee]

I tried to read this but with all those >> marks it is totally unreadable.

If you are going to cut and paste something surely you can take a little time to make it readable!!!

Try a little harder tolsti... it is worth it.

[Steve2UK]

I tried to read this but with all those >> marks it is totally unreadable.

If you are going to cut and paste something surely you can take a little time to make it readable!!!

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(I agree. Not expressing any view about the content, but - for what it's worth - here's a more legible version )

I received this from another retired cop who is still working in the security field in America. I have my own thoughts about it, since I'm no longer in the field and my thought process has changed considerably. But I have to admit I still think like a sheep dog. Anyway I thought worth sharing. As law enforcement supervisors and mangers we have the responsibility of providing a realistic and current view to our employees of our place in todays society. Please read the following article and think about it...................

On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs by LTC(RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER, Ph.D., author.

Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for?

- William J. Bennett in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy, November 24, 1997

One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number ofviolent citizens is considerably less than two million.

Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep. I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful.? For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf." If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.

Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial. The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours. Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa." Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.

Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero? Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones. Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference. There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.

There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself. Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs. Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke

Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.

If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door. For example, many officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs.? Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.

I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"

Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the air bags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them. Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?" It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up. Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.

Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling." Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level. And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself ... "Baa."

This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.

[mouse]

Yes there are many baaaaahhhhhd people out there. But for us to give up our hard earned civil liberties and rights to catch those few sons of bastages is incomprehensible to me. Therefore I also consider those that the make draconian laws to protect us from a few terrorist half sheepdog and half wolf – or maybe calling them foxes is more appropriate.

Ask yourself why they never went after Pol Pot, Idi Amin or any of the other worlds zealots with the same vigor that these Moslem Wolves are being hunted and at the same time our right eroded.

I too am a retired sheep dog that served in Vietnam—see the story at (http//www.family.michelonia.com/Vietnam.pdf) and then entered the Law Enforcement field. After retirement this is one of the few places I could find to wind down. Now I am again just another sheep. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! And I love it living here and watching my lambs grow up.

[ray23]

Yes there are many baaaaahhhhhd people out there.  But for us to give up our hard earned civil liberties and rights to catch those few sons of bastages is incomprehensible to me.  Therefore I also consider those that the make draconian laws to protect us from a few terrorist half sheepdog and half wolf –  or maybe calling them foxes is more appropriate.

Ask yourself why they never went after Pol Pot, Idi Amin or any of the other worlds zealots with the same vigor that these Moslem Wolves are being hunted and at the same time our right eroded.

I too am a retired sheep dog that served in Vietnam—see the story at (http//www.family.michelonia.com/Vietnam.pdf) and then entered the Law Enforcement field.  After retirement this is one of the few places I could find to wind down.  Now I am again just another sheep. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! And I love it living here and watching my lambs grow up.

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Yep Thought provoking

[bina]

nice idea but metaphor a bit incorrect sorry, i come from a zoological background (nignoy would agree with me)

sheep are total herd animals quite stupid in fact and dont think just follow; they tend to shove there noses into the butt of the sheep in front and walk submissively, with head down

wolves are usually just hungry, feral dogs are more prone to aggressive attack w/o reason and just for fun leaving lots of bodies laying aroun (happened at my place twice)

sheepdogs dont love sheep they were raised w/sheep and think they are sheep therefore dont attack them, but act like young dogs so chase predators that are not recognized as sheep

(i raise them, remember?)

but the good intentions behind the thought were there...

in the old testament, moses herds a flock, which in this case is NOT sheep since sheep follow a single trail, and dont wander off in different directions, aren't 'naughty'; moses herds goats, goats are herd animals but tend to be a bit 'naughty' , and get into situations that make them more vulnerable to attack.... and it is his 'job' to protect his flock, and the people are also his flock (of vulnerable sometimes naughty and therefore at risk, goats)

...not my explanation but a rabbi's that is used often when educating about sheep and goats, and about people.....

BTW, here, people will not send kids to school w/o there being a guard, also at amusement parks.... any hiking trip comes complete with guard and carbine;

my kids are prone to trust anyone in a uniform as 'protector'

[roscoe]

Most sheep are grateful to be protected from wolves but ,and it is a big BUT,they wish the sheepdogs would remember that if the farmer could not sell the sheep fleeces the farmer could not feed or house the sheepdog .For that reason ,and that alone ,the sheep ask only to treated with respect.

And not treated as if the whole flock where wolves in sheeps clothing, to be sheperded by a morally superior sheepdog.

Too deep too many metaphores going to have a beer and lighten up!!

[thaistick]

If the sheeple would be self-sufficient and prepared they wouldn't need "protectors".Power corrupts and history shows the sheeple always end up needing protection from their protectors.Any government or criminals,what's the difference, only respect an armed populace.If jack-booted government thugs or home invading low-lifes try to break down your front door,give them a rapid fire welcome from a .223 caliber carbine with folding stock and laser sight.

[ray23]

Yes there are many baaaaahhhhhd people out there.  But for us to give up our hard earned civil liberties and rights to catch those few sons of bastages is incomprehensible to me.  Therefore I also consider those that the make draconian laws to protect us from a few terrorist half sheepdog and half wolf –  or maybe calling them foxes is more appropriate.

Ask yourself why they never went after Pol Pot, Idi Amin or any of the other worlds zealots with the same vigor that these Moslem Wolves are being hunted and at the same time our right eroded.

I too am a retired sheep dog that served in Vietnam—see the story at (http//www.family.michelonia.com/Vietnam.pdf) and then entered the Law Enforcement field.  After retirement this is one of the few places I could find to wind down.   Now I am again just another sheep. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! And I love it living here and watching my lambs grow up.

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I really didn't give my thoughts it's like the post that talked about the jack booted sheepdog, truley is a fine line isn't it?

For my ex vet and copper, I understand and truly can identify with your thoughts, nice to be a sheep again and we are in one of the very places that I know that we can do that. Am I still a sheep dog, yes but only with my immediate flock, what the rest of the world does, no.

Wherever a cop is he follows the laws given to him by his country. If he does his job. Are those laws always good, no.

Being preared in your own mind, not a bad idea no matter what the circumstances.

Personally I will never carry a gun again a long as I can just walk away.

Is there overkill in the thought process, yes I think so, it wasn't that many years ago that I would have thought completly different. I'm very grateful to Thaiand for allowing me to find my measure of peace.

Edited May 15, 2005 by ray23

[george]

Is this Thailand related?

[maerim]

I have tried ploughing through this drivel and as I understand it was written by an American policeman I have a bit of advice for him.

On no account give up the day job of shooting unarmed people, beating up ****** and eating donuts and leave the literary pretensions to others more capable

racsist word removed

Edited May 16, 2005 by bronco

[Pink Mist]

George is right not Thai related so I'll close it now