How Much Do Big Engines Cost?

[steelepulse]

I was perusing an auto website and I see where an m5 engine has been dropped into a 5 series e39. The price was much lower than an actual m5, but much higher than a normal 525. Any idea how big engines are taxed or how much they cost?

[katabeachbum]

the difference between M5 and 525 is much more than engine.

auto, diff, brakes, suspension, steering, cooling,

approx 2000 parts are different

[steelepulse]

I knew that and assumed that anyone with any knowledge would also know that. Now, back to the original question, anyone know how much big engines cost?

[kartman]

I would post on a German site more chance of finding out i don't think Thai Visa is a place to ask for an obscure request.

[steelepulse]

I'm not asking about any specific engine, just wondering what kinds of taxes and whatnot are put on a large engine that justifies why larger cars with an engine over 220 bhp have 300% tax.The tax structure seems to indicate that the 300% is applied to the value of the whole car, not just to the engine.

[Gary A]

The engine would not be that expensive, maybe 40,000 baht. When you change the engine, you have to get a new registration. What the government would charge is another question.

[katabeachbum]

I'm not asking about any specific engine, just wondering what kinds of taxes and whatnot are put on a large engine that justifies why larger cars with an engine over 220 bhp have 300% tax.The tax structure seems to indicate that the 300% is applied to the value of the whole car, not just to the engine.

importduty on an engine is 10% of customs value pluss 7% on it all.

excise tax from 2,5 to 5,0 over 220 hp is 15% on customs value of car pluss 7% on it all.

I assume most engine swaps are without revenues knowledge. Problem in this case would be going from straight six to V8 or V10. very visible.

[katabeachbum]

The engine would not be that expensive, maybe 40,000 baht. When you change the engine, you have to get a new registration. What the government would charge is another question.

for price of M5 engine, search german sites, but 40k baht would hardly get you the ECU for an M5 V10

[stingray]

I'm not asking about any specific engine, just wondering what kinds of taxes and whatnot are put on a large engine that justifies why larger cars with an engine over 220 bhp have 300% tax.The tax structure seems to indicate that the 300% is applied to the value of the whole car, not just to the engine.

importduty on an engine is 10% of customs value pluss 7% on it all.

excise tax from 2,5 to 5,0 over 220 hp is 15% on customs value of car pluss 7% on it all.

I assume most engine swaps are without revenues knowledge. Problem in this case would be going from straight six to V8 or V10. very visible.

Not so big deal, once you paid import tax for the engine (after fit in your car) you go to transpo office and register the engine in your blue book. There is no major additional cost exept the yearly roadtax will increase. (About 5'k for a 1UZ V8 engine, not sure how much on the beamer engine).

[steelepulse]

The engine would not be that expensive, maybe 40,000 baht. When you change the engine, you have to get a new registration. What the government would charge is another question.

for price of M5 engine, search german sites, but 40k baht would hardly get you the ECU for an M5 V10

I was looking at ebay and it seems 9K-11K is in the ballpark for an engine with decent, but not too high of mileage.

[aussiebebe]

I was perusing an auto website and I see where an m5 engine has been dropped into a 5 series e39. The price was much lower than an actual m5, but much higher than a normal 525. Any idea how big engines are taxed or how much they cost?

If you look at the website http://www.asiatradingonline.com/shippingcars.htm you'll find quite a comprehensive guide to the way imported vehicles (and presumably engines) are taxed in Thailand, but the table makes no mention of engines exceeding 3000cc. The short answer to your question is, if you afford to maintain, service, tax and insure a vehicle with a 5000cc, the inital purchase cost will be irrelevant.

[jay1980]

The short answer to your question is, if you afford to maintain, service, tax and insure a vehicle with a 5000cc, the inital purchase cost will be irrelevant.

Why would it be so expensive to maintain, service tax insure a bigger engine car in Thailand?

I think it would not be much more than a normal BMW, cost of buying a nice car is higher than the West but running costs are less.

[katabeachbum]

The short answer to your question is, if you afford to maintain, service, tax and insure a vehicle with a 5000cc, the inital purchase cost will be irrelevant.

Why would it be so expensive to maintain, service tax insure a bigger engine car in Thailand?

I think it would not be much more than a normal BMW, cost of buying a nice car is higher than the West but running costs are less.

parts for an M5 in LOS will be at least double of germany or usa. and does any dealer have the M5 software for OBD?

[steelepulse]

The short answer to your question is, if you afford to maintain, service, tax and insure a vehicle with a 5000cc, the inital purchase cost will be irrelevant.

Why would it be so expensive to maintain, service tax insure a bigger engine car in Thailand?

I think it would not be much more than a normal BMW, cost of buying a nice car is higher than the West but running costs are less.

parts for an M5 in LOS will be at least double of germany or usa. and does any dealer have the M5 software for OBD?

And good luck getting parts in a timely manner. "No hab, must order from Germany. We keep car for 3 months then give back to you when part comes".

[katabeachbum]

The short answer to your question is, if you afford to maintain, service, tax and insure a vehicle with a 5000cc, the inital purchase cost will be irrelevant.

Why would it be so expensive to maintain, service tax insure a bigger engine car in Thailand?

I think it would not be much more than a normal BMW, cost of buying a nice car is higher than the West but running costs are less.

parts for an M5 in LOS will be at least double of germany or usa. and does any dealer have the M5 software for OBD?

And good luck getting parts in a timely manner. "No hab, must order from Germany. We keep car for 3 months then give back to you when part comes".

solly, wlong parts, you pay new and me order, ok?

but steelpulse, I sense you are on to something, 3-5 year old thai build/hotclimatespec 520 at a mill baht(perhaps less when new 5 is out in a few months), M5 parts at 5-700k, thats 2 mill baht. doable?

[steelepulse]

Why would it be so expensive to maintain, service tax insure a bigger engine car in Thailand?

I think it would not be much more than a normal BMW, cost of buying a nice car is higher than the West but running costs are less.

parts for an M5 in LOS will be at least double of germany or usa. and does any dealer have the M5 software for OBD?

And good luck getting parts in a timely manner. "No hab, must order from Germany. We keep car for 3 months then give back to you when part comes".

solly, wlong parts, you pay new and me order, ok?

but steelpulse, I sense you are on to something, 3-5 year old thai build/hotclimatespec 520 at a mill baht(perhaps less when new 5 is out in a few months), M5 parts at 5-700k, thats 2 mill baht. doable?

Financially yes, mechanically no, not too mention no clue of where to source and buy parts.

[katabeachbum]

And good luck getting parts in a timely manner. "No hab, must order from Germany. We keep car for 3 months then give back to you when part comes".

solly, wlong parts, you pay new and me order, ok?

but steelpulse, I sense you are on to something, 3-5 year old thai build/hotclimatespec 520 at a mill baht(perhaps less when new 5 is out in a few months), M5 parts at 5-700k, thats 2 mill baht. doable?

Financially yes, mechanically no, not too mention no clue of where to source and buy parts.

flipped M5 in germany, pick all parts off body (which will cost) and ship em. unfortunately there arent many M5 around, but a 540 wouldnt be too bad either

[steelepulse]

Strangely enough I just saw an m5 e39 motor and the transmission for sale on a Thai site. 199,000 baht and it sold the same day it was listed.

[BSJ]

I can see where your coming from with this. Why didn't you tell us what you were doing up front so we could tell you straight away how long you will need to be bent over with your trousers around your ankles.

[INTJ]

Lexus 1UZ (4.0 V8) complete with gearbox, wiring harness around 25,000 with all import docs.

[steelepulse]

Seems reasonable. Looks like this is the most powerful model

3UZ-FE

[stingray]

Lexus 1UZ (4.0 V8) complete with gearbox, wiring harness around 25,000 with all import docs.

U have to see the condition of the engines. I saw already some for 18'k but not very nice ones. I payd 33'000 for mine, but i had the engine sump on the rearside on the engine 9similar like US engines). Most of the 1UZ have the oil tank on the front side wich is a problem for installations of US cars (steering parts will hit) this is reason why local mecanigs install those engines so high in the front and so low in the rear. Saw many cars where it look like a 30 degree angle, wich looks horrible. So therefore it's important what type you need, where oil tank (engine sump) is located.

BTW, there is also a 5 liter V12 Toyota available. Not sure what engine type is ist. More info at:

http://www.lextreme.com/V12.html

[a10ams]

The engine would not be that expensive, maybe 40,000 baht. When you change the engine, you have to get a new registration. What the government would charge is another question.

I reckon you could add another 0 to that price mate.

[stingray]

The engine would not be that expensive, maybe 40,000 baht. When you change the engine, you have to get a new registration. What the government would charge is another question.

I reckon you could add another 0 to that price mate.

No, it's not like that. If you buy for example a engine fro ma engineshop, like in Bang Na, they sell you the 1UZ engine for about 30'k, fitting in cost more as you need the right fuel pump, bigger engine radiator, mostly you change T Belts and servicing the engine, modify engine mounts and drive shafts, do electrical works, exhoust works, etc ,etc. This are all additional costs so you can estimate about 60'k for do a engine swap. The engieshop do the custom things and they pay their fees. After they give you the custom paperwork and you, or they do the registration of the engine in the blue book. Without custom clearance is no registration possible. So if they sell the engine to for let's say 30'k, there is customduty already included in this price. So it can't be that expensive.

[Flatouthruthefog]

Lexus 1UZ (4.0 V8) complete with gearbox, wiring harness around 25,000 with all import docs.

A quick word of thanks to you for opening up this topic, also to INTJ and Stingray for their useful contribs.

I was just about to pay a Suzuki dealer 30,000b for a used, 'unchecked-out' 1600cc injected Vitara engine - provided I heard it running and got the 3 month written guarantee he promised.

Now I'll listen more carefully to a Thai chum who knows "just where to go" near the river in Bangkok to sort through the piles.........

I've already budgeted for a re-build.

Hmmm. Suzu made a small V6 for Vitaras. Maybe I should set my sights higher?

[INTJ]

Stingray is right about looking carefully at the engines - always insist on hearing it running before you buy, they can start them up on the deck, remember to shove some rags in the exhaust so you can hear any knocks or rattles and look inside the oil filler cap for any black residue or burning smell, and check the trans fluid is clean.

Vitara V6 with LPG would be a nice swap.

Rough idea of prices here (although in most cases you can find stuff quite a bit cheaper than this) :-

http://www.9yakyai.com/news.html

S.F. at Chiengkong Bang Na soi 6 seems to have mostly favorable reports.

Cheers

[steelepulse]

Thanks for the link INTJ.

[Jalla]

The short answer to your question is, if you afford to maintain, service, tax and insure a vehicle with a 5000cc, the inital purchase cost will be irrelevant.

Why would it be so expensive to maintain, service tax insure a bigger engine car in Thailand?

I think it would not be much more than a normal BMW, cost of buying a nice car is higher than the West but running costs are less.

parts for an M5 in LOS will be at least double of germany or usa. and does any dealer have the M5 software for OBD?

Actually prices for servicing and parts are more or less the same as a 525i here in Thailand.

I have an -07 M5 (My 17th BMW) which I bought about a year ago, and have done a claim(squeaky sunroof) at the dealer after the buy. Looking at the invoice which was presented to me for signing(guarantee case), I fund it to be reasonable for my car. Likewise with i.e. oil filter and normal servicing parts.

Also insurance was only marginal higher from my trade-in -08 520d. I now pay approx. 70k Bt for top insurance with AXA, while the 520d was about 57k.

I do know both the manager and his son at Nelson Autohaus in Chonburi, and have had my car plugged in at the diagnostic computer several times. First when I bought the car(for mileage check) and when the sunroof issue was there along with normal oil service etc. So yes, service can be done at a reasonable price and there are specially trained personnel at some dealers for M cars.

To OP, please do reconsider putting a M5 V10 in to your car. As previously mentioned in another post, the difference between a standard 5 series and a M5 is literally thousands of parts.

It`s a complicated "race" engine(redline at 8500rpm) which depends on various sensors all over the car to actually run at all.....

So my advice to the OP would be to go for a "less" complicated installation with a different engine. Why don`t you get yourself a small block Chevy V8 and drop that in? It can be tuned to whatever you want and requires "only fuel and ignition to work"...

Good luck!

[INTJ]

There are some clips on youtube of a BMW E30 with V10, but as you say extremely complicated, expensive and totally impractical in Thailand. Very nice though and sounds amazing.

Cheers

[stingray]

The short answer to your question is, if you afford to maintain, service, tax and insure a vehicle with a 5000cc, the inital purchase cost will be irrelevant.

Why would it be so expensive to maintain, service tax insure a bigger engine car in Thailand?

I think it would not be much more than a normal BMW, cost of buying a nice car is higher than the West but running costs are less.

parts for an M5 in LOS will be at least double of germany or usa. and does any dealer have the M5 software for OBD?

Actually prices for servicing and parts are more or less the same as a 525i here in Thailand.

I have an -07 M5 (My 17th BMW) which I bought about a year ago, and have done a claim(squeaky sunroof) at the dealer after the buy. Looking at the invoice which was presented to me for signing(guarantee case), I fund it to be reasonable for my car. Likewise with i.e. oil filter and normal servicing parts.

Also insurance was only marginal higher from my trade-in -08 520d. I now pay approx. 70k Bt for top insurance with AXA, while the 520d was about 57k.

I do know both the manager and his son at Nelson Autohaus in Chonburi, and have had my car plugged in at the diagnostic computer several times. First when I bought the car(for mileage check) and when the sunroof issue was there along with normal oil service etc. So yes, service can be done at a reasonable price and there are specially trained personnel at some dealers for M cars.

To OP, please do reconsider putting a M5 V10 in to your car. As previously mentioned in another post, the difference between a standard 5 series and a M5 is literally thousands of parts.

It`s a complicated "race" engine(redline at 8500rpm) which depends on various sensors all over the car to actually run at all.....

So my advice to the OP would be to go for a "less" complicated installation with a different engine. Why don`t you get yourself a small block Chevy V8 and drop that in? It can be tuned to whatever you want and requires "only fuel and ignition to work"...

Good luck!

Small Block Chevy? Where can buy locally?