Thaksin Still Banned From Entering Germany: German Envoy

[george]

Thaksin still banned from entering Germany: German envoy

By The Nation

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra would not be able to see his two daughters in Germany as he has been banned from the country since last year, German Ambassador to Thailand Hanns Schumacher said Sunday.

Thaksin tweeted he would leave Dubai to see his daughters Pinthongtha and Paethongthan Shinawatra somewhere in Europe soon.

His two daughters are now in Germany for a business engagement.

Thaksin was banned from Germany as he illegally obtain one-year residency last year, the German envoy said in a telephone interview.

However there was so far no information that Thaksin tried to enter German since then, the ambassador said.

Asked if it is possible that Thaksin would enter Germany with under different name, Schumacher said there are many illegal entries in the country but in that case the German authorities need to enforce the laws.

"So far, we are not aware of movement of former Prime Minister Thaksin to Germany since he has been banned," he said.

Responding to a query if Thaksin is found in Germany, the envoy said Thaksin would be dealt with according to German immigration laws.

Thaksin's whereabouts was under Thai government's surveillance since his red shirted supporters held a huge demonstration in Bangkok.

For the government concern, Thaksin might use any country for a launching pad against Thailand.

The Cambodian government, which Thaksin is an economic advisor, denied a news report earlier of Thaksin's presence in Cambodia.

Foreign Ministry's Spokesman Koy Kuong was quoted by Xinhua Saturday that Cambodia has received no information that Thaksin is planning to come to Cambodia.

He said since Friday afternoon, following reports from the Thai press many, inquiries were asked on the presence of Thaksin in Cambodia.

-- The Nation 2010-03-14

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[kraxlhuber]

mistakingly it was reported that T. is visiting germany,as a matter of fact he might visit Austria and pay a visit of A.H,s birthplace in Braunau,for your info,Austria has a border with Germany and the populace speaks german.

[SomTumTiger]

Lol - there is no mistake. He twittered he was in Germany. He is not. He is a liar. But we already knew that. 5 will get you 10 that he is having cocktails with his favorite warlord Hun Sen.

[frodo]

I truly hope Thaksin is telling the truth and is in Germany!

Auf Wiedersehen, Herr Thaksin.

[hunglikea]

"MCOT: German envoy to Thailand: Thaksin banned in Germany since 2009, will be arrested if identified; no confirmed report he uses another name"

He has lots, Takki Shinegra being one.

I think he is pretty recognisable so hopefully he will be arrested WHEN identified if he enters the country to see his beloved daughters.

[manarak]

He was reported to have flown to Switzerland.

Once in Switzerland, it is very easy to get to Germany, because there are plenty of unmanned border posts, especially since Switzerland joined the ranks of the Schengen countries, which means there are no ID checks when crossing Schengen countries' inner borders.

I'd say by choosing small posts, there is a chance of 80% of passing unnoticed, and this probability raises to 100% if a scout is used to check if immigration/customs officers are present.

[hunglikea]

If Interpol are doing their job maybe not? I seem to remember he is on their list, but may be wrong .

Although according to The Nation

The Foreign Ministry has requested that the International Criminal Police Organisation (Interpol) apprehend fugitive former PM Thaksin Shinawatra, who is suspected of being behind the recent riots by red-shirted protesters.

Interpol will help Thailand circulate Thaksin's identification details and judicial information about him internationally.

The sources said Thaksin had been given an Interpol "red notice", which is recognised in a number of countries and serves as the legal basis for provisional arrest. A red notice is intended to help police identify or locate Thaksin, with a view to his arrest and extradition.

Edited March 14, 2010 by hunglikea

[gemini81]

so many charges against him seems impossible to keep running around, rich or not. so far in literally two days it has been reported he was headed to: switzerland, germany, austria, cambodia. one report early on (BK post) mentioned he twittered he was remaining in dubai. maybe he does this to create an elusive blur of his whereabouts. I smell the karma coming his direction soon. you can only run with your tail between your legs for so long!

[elcent]

Thanks to the German envoy to clear things up.

He'll try to get his money, but I'm afraid that his accounts are red flagged, even his number accounts.

[hunglikea]

so many charges against him seems impossible to keep running around, rich or not. so far in literally two days it has been reported he was headed to: switzerland, germany, austria, cambodia. one report early on (BK post) mentioned he twittered he was remaining in dubai. maybe he does this to create an elusive blur of his whereabouts. I smell the karma coming his direction soon. you can only run with your tail between your legs for so long!

Unfortunately he is a MULTI-TAILED fox.

[gemini81]

so many charges against him seems impossible to keep running around, rich or not. so far in literally two days it has been reported he was headed to: switzerland, germany, austria, cambodia. one report early on (BK post) mentioned he twittered he was remaining in dubai. maybe he does this to create an elusive blur of his whereabouts. I smell the karma coming his direction soon. you can only run with your tail between your legs for so long!

Unfortunately he is a MULTI-TAILED fox.

you've got that much right!

[mazeltov]

If Interpol are doing their job maybe not? I seem to remember he is on their list, but may be wrong .

Although according to The Nation

The Foreign Ministry has requested that the International Criminal Police Organisation (Interpol) apprehend fugitive former PM Thaksin Shinawatra, who is suspected of being behind the recent riots by red-shirted protesters.

Interpol will help Thailand circulate Thaksin's identification details and judicial information about him internationally.

The sources said Thaksin had been given an Interpol "red notice", which is recognised in a number of countries and serves as the legal basis for provisional arrest. A red notice is intended to help police identify or locate Thaksin, with a view to his arrest and extradition.

sorry to bring the 'news', but we have been probably fooled by this The Nation report or the FM office itself.

would not have been the first nor the last time and these 'information' turned out to be false.

you can go to the interpol web site, there is a search option to look up for criminals. i didn't found Thaksin there.

http://www.interpol.int/Public/Notices/default.asp

[anotherpeter]

He was reported to have flown to Switzerland.

Once in Switzerland, it is very easy to get to Germany, because there are plenty of unmanned border posts, especially since Switzerland joined the ranks of the Schengen countries, which means there are no ID checks when crossing Schengen countries' inner borders.

I'd say by choosing small posts, there is a chance of 80% of passing unnoticed, and this probability raises to 100% if a scout is used to check if immigration/customs officers are present.

IF he is banned, why would he bother even going there? He would get his girls to visit whereever he is.

[hunglikea]

I forgot to tell you "it's a secret"

Strange as it may seem not every fugitive's name appears on an OPEN WEBSITE

Mazeltov to you too.

Edited March 14, 2010 by hunglikea

[kalbo123]

He is in Cambodia, o no he's in Switzerland, no he's in Dubai, o no he is in Germany....Nation..if you do not know where he is..just report nothing..

[manarak]

Thanks to the German envoy to clear things up.

He'll try to get his money, but I'm afraid that his accounts are red flagged, even his number accounts.

"numbered accounts" don't exist.

there are accounts with improved privacy, but in any case, the bank's management always knows who the beneficial owner is.

Numbered accounts should be added to the list of urban legends.

[Jingthing]

The Swiss can sometimes surprise. Remember they arrested Roman Polanski. Nobody expected that.

[ManilaLover]

I forgot to tell you "it's a secret"

Strange as it may seem not every fugitive's name appears on an OPEN WEBSITE

Mazeltov to you too.

Guess Thailand is not really waiting to get him back here, even in prison he will cause huge trouble outside when his followers smell his charismatic aura again !!!!

[manarak]

He was reported to have flown to Switzerland.

Once in Switzerland, it is very easy to get to Germany, because there are plenty of unmanned border posts, especially since Switzerland joined the ranks of the Schengen countries, which means there are no ID checks when crossing Schengen countries' inner borders.

I'd say by choosing small posts, there is a chance of 80% of passing unnoticed, and this probability raises to 100% if a scout is used to check if immigration/customs officers are present.

IF he is banned, why would he bother even going there? He would get his girls to visit whereever he is.

banned, not banned... I don't think anyone cares.

Interpol... what a joke.

Do you really think countries like Germany will assign resources to get hold of a former Thai prime minister on the run?

They will be more embarassed than proud if they stop him.

If they let him go, Thailand will complain and if they arrest him, what should they do with him? Extradite to Thailand and possibly be the tool of an authoritarian regime?

Thaksin's lawyers could very well stall the procedure because Germany's forbid them to extradite people to countries where they could undergo unfair treatment...

No, Germany will do nothing, except if he advertises his presence in a way that embarasses Germany.

[manarak]

The Swiss can sometimes surprise. Remember they arrested Roman Polanski. Nobody expected that.

Nobody expected it but the Swiss were and still are in the middle of a crisis over the banking secrecy.

By executing the US warrant, they wanted to crawl into the U.S. of A's ass and tell the world how "clean" they are.

In the meanwhile, Polanski is still here.

[elcent]

Thanks to the German envoy to clear things up.

He'll try to get his money, but I'm afraid that his accounts are red flagged, even his number accounts.

"numbered accounts" don't exist.

there are accounts with improved privacy, but in any case, the bank's management always knows who the beneficial owner is.

Numbered accounts should be added to the list of urban legends.

Bank secrecy (or bank privacy) is a legal principle in some jurisdictions under which banks are not allowed to provide to authorities personal and account information about their customers unless certain conditions apply (for example, a criminal complaint has been filed^[1]). In some cases, additional barriers to disclosure are provided through the use of numbered bank accounts or otherwise. Bank secrecy is prevalent in certain countries, such as Switzerland, offshore banks and other tax havens under voluntary or statutory privacy provisions.

Created by the Swiss Banking Act of 1934, which led to the famous Swiss bank, the principle of bank secrecy is sometimes considered one of the main aspects of private banking. It has also been accused by NGOs and governments of being one of the main instruments of underground economy and organized crime, in particular following the class action suit against the Vatican Bank in the 1990s, the Clearstream scandal and the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Former bank employees from banks in Switzerland (UBS, Julius Baer) and Liechtenstein (LGT Group) have testified that their former institutions helped clients evade billions of dollars in taxes by routing money through offshore havens in the Caribbean and Switzerland. One of these, Rudolf M. Elmer, wrote, "It is a global problem...Offshore tax evasion is the biggest theft among societies and neighbor states in this world."^[2]

Advances in financial cryptography (e.g. public-key cryptography) could make it possible to use anonymous electronic money and anonymous digital bearer certificates for financial privacy and anonymous internet banking, given enabling institutions (e.g. issuers of such certificates and digital cash) and secure computer systems.

more here

[hunglikea]

'MANARAK' Entering the country illegally will be enough to embarrass Germany.

Edited March 14, 2010 by hunglikea

[neverdie]

I see he's a loved man our Mr Thaksin, banned from Germany, wanted in Thailand, not wanted in London or Dubai. Sad really.

[mazeltov]

so many charges against him seems impossible to keep running around, rich or not. so far in literally two days it has been reported he was headed to: switzerland, germany, austria, cambodia. one report early on (BK post) mentioned he twittered he was remaining in dubai. maybe he does this to create an elusive blur of his whereabouts. I smell the karma coming his direction soon. you can only run with your tail between your legs for so long!

what charges actually that would get him arrested and eventually deported to Thailand?

and you can't blame Thaksin that the FM or certain news papers spread false rumours about his whereabouts, like that he is in Cambodia. he can't be a that evil mastermind to have that under control too, he isn't Dr. Mabuse.

in Germany he would probably get arrested/charged for the violation of immigrations laws or illegal border crossing, not sure what consequences that would have that in his case. it is likely that he will get told that he have to leave the country at the same border where he was coming from.

an extradition to Thailand will probably not happen. it is actually save to say. it will not happen.

i don't want spoil your fun here, but better don't waste your energy for false hope. the odds and the laws are against it and it is pathetic the Thai officials or the Press not inform the public in a honest way what is possible in the Thaksin hunt and what is not.

[hunglikea]

In via Switzerland through the 'unmanned' borders where Interpol Police would not expect him to enter and off to the trade fair with his Daughters. Simple.

Then back into Thailand via Cambodia to take over from the wilted government, amongst rapturous applause from the triumphant red shirts.

Lord of the Rings - keep dreaming

[mazeltov]

banned, not banned... I don't think anyone cares.

Interpol... what a joke.

Do you really think countries like Germany will assign resources to get hold of a former Thai prime minister on the run? ...

i don't even sure if he is actually and official banned and on a blacklist some kind of.

could be actually just mean he lost his residents permit. revoked because of some irregularities in the application process and that he didn't apply for any other kind of visa since. that is all.

and The Nation makes it to a big headline.

[manarak]

Thanks to the German envoy to clear things up.

He'll try to get his money, but I'm afraid that his accounts are red flagged, even his number accounts.

"numbered accounts" don't exist.

there are accounts with improved privacy, but in any case, the bank's management always knows who the beneficial owner is.

Numbered accounts should be added to the list of urban legends.

Bank secrecy (or bank privacy) is a legal principle in some jurisdictions under which banks are not allowed to provide to authorities personal and account information about their customers unless certain conditions apply (for example, a criminal complaint has been filed^[1]). In some cases, additional barriers to disclosure are provided through the use of numbered bank accounts or otherwise. Bank secrecy is prevalent in certain countries, such as Switzerland, offshore banks and other tax havens under voluntary or statutory privacy provisions.

Created by the Swiss Banking Act of 1934, which led to the famous Swiss bank, the principle of bank secrecy is sometimes considered one of the main aspects of private banking. It has also been accused by NGOs and governments of being one of the main instruments of underground economy and organized crime, in particular following the class action suit against the Vatican Bank in the 1990s, the Clearstream scandal and the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Former bank employees from banks in Switzerland (UBS, Julius Baer) and Liechtenstein (LGT Group) have testified that their former institutions helped clients evade billions of dollars in taxes by routing money through offshore havens in the Caribbean and Switzerland. One of these, Rudolf M. Elmer, wrote, "It is a global problem...Offshore tax evasion is the biggest theft among societies and neighbor states in this world."^[2]

Advances in financial cryptography (e.g. public-key cryptography) could make it possible to use anonymous electronic money and anonymous digital bearer certificates for financial privacy and anonymous internet banking, given enabling institutions (e.g. issuers of such certificates and digital cash) and secure computer systems.

more here

Yes, all correct, except anonymous "numbered accounts" don't exist in Switzerland or any other country I am aware of, and the existing accounts with greater privacy are no obstacle to legal disclosure in official judiciary procedures.

I am in insider on this matter.

I will go amend this article.

[goldfinger]

..."Schumacher said there are many illegal entries in the country but in that case the German authorities need to enforce the laws.

...why only in this case???, so other illegal entered people dont have to worry?

oh Germany.....

[Lancelot]

Darn, wish that I would have been banned from entering (West Germany) in 1972...

Na, I enjoyed the frauliens

Edited March 14, 2010 by Lancelot

[Publicus]

so many charges against him seems impossible to keep running around, rich or not. so far in literally two days it has been reported he was headed to: switzerland, germany, austria, cambodia. one report early on (BK post) mentioned he twittered he was remaining in dubai. maybe he does this to create an elusive blur of his whereabouts. I smell the karma coming his direction soon. you can only run with your tail between your legs for so long!

what charges actually that would get him arrested and eventually deported to Thailand?

<<snip>>

in Germany he would probably get arrested/charged for the violation of immigrations laws or illegal border crossing, not sure what consequences that would have that in his case. it is likely that he will get told that he have to leave the country at the same border where he was coming from.

an extradition to Thailand will probably not happen. it is actually save to say. it will not happen.

i don't want spoil your fun here, but better don't waste your energy for false hope. the odds and the laws are against it and it is pathetic the Thai officials or the Press not inform the public in a honest way what is possible in the Thaksin hunt and what is not.

Charges are obvious in his conviction for misuse of power in the land case, which got Thaksin two years. Another charge, which is why and how INTERPOL has its role in this, is his being an international fugitive from justice in his country of citizenship. Then there's the still hot unusual wealth ruling by the Supreme Court. There are many other charges pending which would be best litigated only if he returned to Thailand. If I put a false name on a passport of another country my government would begin an immediate investigation of me for just cause of holding both a US passport and a false passport of another country, and almost assuredly would revoke my own passport.

Even Thaksin has more brains than to try to enter Germany or any other high profile country that has a respectable democracy, especially through a back door or a shady passageway. After all, Thaksin's only and comfortable friends in control of governments are the equally egotistical dictators, tyrants or authoritarians.

When the democrat who wants democracy in Thailand can enter a legitimately democratic country, then maybe Thaksin could begin to get some credibility to his absurdly bogus claims, which we well know not only are laffable but also cynical and contemptous of everyone here.

Edited March 14, 2010 by Publicus