Thaksin Draws Comparison Between Abhisit And Hitler

[ChiangMaiFun]

you contradict yourself - you say i trot out nonsense about much of the protest not being about Thaksin then you say reds have genuine grievances... so thanks for supporting my line of arguement appreciate your honest and integrity

The red followers do (have genuine grievances), the red leaders don't. The red followers are not the ones running the show. They are not the ones setting the goals. They are simply the pawns.

No contradiction, just your failing to see a distinction that i already made clear.

and YOU and others are not appreciating the distinction which I have made clear many, many times - I do not support the red shirt leadership nor Thaksin and never have but people here on this board continually smudge against myself and others who call for an election by name calling - and the yellows are pawns too! so make that clear too?

[rixalex]

lets move on to sensible debate?

The debate is Thaksin's remarks, which are anything but sensible, and which you have yet to fully and openly condemn. Far to busy no doubt, tripping over yourself to get in comments about the airport being closed.

[ianf]

Fighting for Democracy? Sorry, that;s just words/

Democracy does not mean:

1. Buying Votes

2. Disregarding the law

3. Accepting cash to demonstrate

4. \burning fields to such an extent that people in T's heartlands suffer respiratory illnesses and worse

5. Ordering extra judicial killings of so-called drug dealers

6. Running a cabinet as a one-man band

7. Using the country's coffers as a personal bank account

4. \burning fields to such an extent that people in T's heartlands suffer respiratory illnesses and worse

i heard all the other points before, but the burning fields argument is something new.

I didn't make that too clear. The burning fields issue is about me w

listening to the red people saying how much they value democracy. Then I saw some peeps with red flags etc burning a field and a small 'copse'nin the midst of this pollution crisis. My Thai wife asked them that if they truly cared about democracy and, by inference, other people, why are they contributing to the ill health and respiratory problems of the local population. They said "If we want to burn our fields then we will - these are our fields. Its up to us". Yet these are the people, amongst others, fighting for democracy. Don't make me laugh!

[mazeltov]

Fighting for Democracy? Sorry, that;s just words/

Democracy does not mean:

1. Buying Votes

2. Disregarding the law

3. Accepting cash to demonstrate

4. \burning fields to such an extent that people in T's heartlands suffer respiratory illnesses and worse

5. Ordering extra judicial killings of so-called drug dealers

6. Running a cabinet as a one-man band

7. Using the country's coffers as a personal bank account

4. \burning fields to such an extent that people in T's heartlands suffer respiratory illnesses and worse

i heard all the other points before, but the burning fields argument is something new.

I didn't make that too clear. The burning fields issue is about me w

listening to the red people saying how much they value democracy. Then I saw some peeps with red flags etc burning a field and a small 'copse'nin the midst of this pollution crisis. My Thai wife asked them that if they truly cared about democracy and, by inference, other people, why are they contributing to the ill health and respiratory problems of the local population. They said "If we want to burn our fields then we will - these are our fields. Its up to us". Yet these are the people, amongst others, fighting for democracy. Don't make me laugh!

i still don't get it.

anyway, you could boycott farm products. start a campaign and ask other join. don't buy anything from them anymore. that will teach them a lesson. good luck.

[animatic]

Back to common sense...

much of the protest is not about Thaksin nor about a lot of the other nonsense (I am against blood protests and any correlation of Abhisit to Hitler OR Mother Theresa!).

Many are angry about the lack of mandate of this government - they are not Thaksin apologists nor particularly red shirted loonies – let's not lose any semblance of why many are frustrated in all the gleeful ‘noise’ about the ex-PMs state of mind. Most people think he was good and bad - no one thinks he's a saint and he may well be on the way out - but all this blood-lettting (forgive the pun) leave a little bad taste in my mouth as it's not about black versus white, good guys versus bad, good versus evil.

Common sense say this is totally about Thaksin using the poor people as a cudgel to beat on his enemies.

Secondarily some of the Red Shirts have other reasons to protest, but most of those realized

they have been hoodwinked and either went home or never came.

The transparent attempts to rebrand the Thaksin financed movement it to some of it's constituent parts,

as if they were the whole reason to be there is spurious at best and cynical through and through.

A well defined mandate is not the only reason a government should stand.

And the MP's are given THEIR mandate to use THEIR MANDATED legislative powers,

as they see fit during their elected tenure. As they see fit is how it often is.

Throwing out a legal government because your MPs don't agree

with your power brokers anymore is not a real reason to dissolve the house.

By the way your remaining protesters are reacting to the irrational 'gleeful noise' of

a mentally twisted Godhead leader in absentia grasping at straws as his ego deflates.

[Jonathanpattaya]

Do you think Thaksin feels as though he is running out of steam?

Edited March 18, 2010 by Jonathanpattaya

[steveromagnino]

Actually anyone seen this reported elsewhere, other than TAN? I am beginning to think this was more a BS story.

Dear Brit

Obviously due to the stupidity of it, I don't know where else it is, but the full broadcast phone in (which has not been protested against by the rather litigious Thaksin, so we should presume it is undoctored) is here.

http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/ViewNews...D=9530000037207

It's a video.

I am not sure how much time you have spent around Thaksin, but it certainly sounds like him to me.

My red shirt friend confirmed that this is what was said.

I have a short tolerance for listening to any politician, especially a rambler, but anyhow, if you jump to 9.00 approx - the main points

Abhisit's father raised abhisit to be PM

Abhisit is a grew up overseas, he studied quite well but not as well as his dad

However, in trying to become a good englishman, he has no Thai-ness

When he meets an elder he doesn't know how to wai

From listening to him give orders

sing my past knowledge and experience

I think Abhisit is unwell

definitely sick (BIG CHEER)

because he grew up in england

and he tries to be a good englishman

he claims to be a buddhist

but his understanding of buddhism

when he speaks it simply isn't there

he doesn't know anything about religion

So if Abhisit doesn't know anything about religion, then we look to his advisors

They need to know about religion

And Abhisit's advisors, are gay only (mee tae see muang tao nun) (BIG CHEER FROM THE CROWD)

And gays have inability to control their emotions

Definitely cannot control their emotions

If you can handle watching more than this then you are stronger than me.

Basically, i don't strongly disagree with the translation; he is clearly insulting gays by pointing this out, he is clearly saying they cannot be relied on to do a good job. What is most troubling is given the large amount of prostitution and family problems in the north and northeast yet generally a spirit of acceptance, and the large numbers of homosexuals, that people would cheer that apparently having gay advisors the sort of thing a 7 year old would say, is so laughable.

I have another 3 videos which i think are clips of this hosted somewhere else; I don't really have the time or energy to bother listening or translating more; this is proof enough that the TAN version is fine.

Unless you want to accuse ASTV of doctoring the clip; usually red shirts need about 2 weeks to figure that one out, then the story always dies once someone pulls independent versions of the same thing. Can I presume we don't need to go down that path?

[Rimmer]

One post and a reply deleted, No more Photo Shop look a like pictures of politicians in AH guise please, this is way over the top for Thai Visa

[Grey11]

Well, l think Mr. T has lost the plot (English saying), bit like somebody else, a so called leader who deny's the holocaust ever happened. Everyone with any ounce of sense draws the right conclusion.

What does the "holocaust" have to do with this?!

[SpoliaOpima]

Thaksin is just upset because Jatuporn is reportedly having an affair with his son. At least that's the word on the street.

[SpoliaOpima]

I hope Oak doesn't judge his father's negative connotations regarding homosexuals too harshly.

Not to mention Jatuporn.

[Rimmer]

Well, l think Mr. T has lost the plot (English saying), bit like somebody else, a so called leader who deny's the holocaust ever happened. Everyone with any ounce of sense draws the right conclusion.

What does the "holocaust" have to do with this?!

Don't anyone even THINK about replying to this

[steveromagnino]

Thaksin is just upset because Jatuporn is reportedly having an affair with his son. At least that's the word on the street.

The rumour was Jakapop not Jatuporn.

many do believe Jakapop to be a homosexual NTTAWWT

the issue came to a head right at the time that Jakapop was hung out to dry for his (in retrospect) extremely insulting and stupid speech that he gave at the foreign correspondents club. Aside from bad structure and ill thought out points, he was alleged to have committed lese majeste which he defended claiming bad translation.

THe problem was he also had given the same speech in LA.....in Thai.

Hence why he is on the run now and has turned into fugitive nutter red shirt number 2 (3 if you count convicted strongman slash corrupt politician Wattana Asavahame - don't see too many red shirts trying to get pardons for either of these gentlemen though). Ungpakorn is also on the run for lese majeste and while I admire him for speaking his mind, even if what he says is total <deleted> and not well reasoned, he is only pro red shirt because he is so anti certain things.

I would guess that around this time red shirters were testing the limits of what their followers would take - da torpedo, Jakapop etc - unfortunately having served their purpose both were hung out to dry.

Some feel that Jakapop was set up due to a relationship between him and Oak.

I am unsure whether it is entirely true. I don't doubt the sexual orientation suits for both men, but rather that being one of the richest brats in Thailand able to shag any male model or guy willing to accept some gifts for bending over (or bending you over), why would you go for some 40+ year old botox injecting fake tan short-arse unattractive nut job with an ego almost the size of your dad? Its pretty well known the kid has some major issues aside from just cheating and being caught at university - his party habits were witnessed by thousands - however he has his own twitter account, so if his dad can't stand for politics, no doubt some idiots will vote him into power somehow.

Tommy Suharto. Emelda Marcos. Baby Doc Duvalier. Now these are comparisons better than any German.

Edited March 18, 2010 by steveromagnino

[webfact]

PM Abhisit to File Charges against Claim He's Ordered Violence to Be Used on Reds

BANGKOK: -- PM Abhisit Vejjajiva will file charges against former Thaksin Shinawatra, red-shirt key leader and Phau Thai MP Jatuporn Phrompan and another red-shirt leader Arisman Pongruengrong for showing doctored audio clip to red-shirts and comparing him to Hitler.

The audio clip featured the voice of PM Abhisit allegedly ordering security officials to use force to crackdown on the red-shirt protesters during April 2009 riot.

The clip has been proved to have been doctored using PM Abhisit's voice.

-- Tan Network 2010-03-18

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

[animatic]

Thaksin is just upset because Jatuporn is reportedly having an affair with his son. At least that's the word on the street.

The rumour was Jakapop not Jatuporn.....

Some feel that Jakapop was set up due to a relationship between him and Oak.

I am unsure whether it is entirely true. I don't doubt the sexual orientation suits for both men, but rather that being one of the richest brats in Thailand able to shag any male model or guy willing to accept some gifts for bending over (or bending you over), why would you go for some

40+ year old botox injecting fake tan short-arse unattractive nut job with an ego almost the size of your dad?

Its pretty well known the kid has some major issues aside from just cheating and being caught at university - his party habits were witnessed by thousands - however he has his own twitter account, so if his dad can't stand for politics, no doubt some idiots will vote him into power somehow.

Tommy Suharto. Emelda Marcos. Baby Doc Duvalier. Now these are comparisons better than any German.

Baby Dunce maybe...?

Who's your daddy?

I would have hope Oak had better taste, then again....

It might just be the crying need for bonding with a father figure,

since he seemingly can't with a rather distant real parent.

This speech makes that seem probable.

Then again, some just chase daddys, cause they LIKE daddys.

Major issues never stops most congressmen from getting the seat, or in the seat for a time.

Still all and all a pretty ugly side of the Thaksin Show has come to the fore.

It is not often we see a melt down live on international media.

[ChiangMaiFun]

Back to common sense...

much of the protest is not about Thaksin nor about a lot of the other nonsense (I am against blood protests and any correlation of Abhisit to Hitler OR Mother Theresa!).

Many are angry about the lack of mandate of this government - they are not Thaksin apologists nor particularly red shirted loonies – let's not lose any semblance of why many are frustrated in all the gleeful 'noise' about the ex-PMs state of mind. Most people think he was good and bad - no one thinks he's a saint and he may well be on the way out - but all this blood-lettting (forgive the pun) leave a little bad taste in my mouth as it's not about black versus white, good guys versus bad, good versus evil.

Common sense say this is totally about Thaksin using the poor people as a cudgel to beat on his enemies.

Secondarily some of the Red Shirts have other reasons to protest, but most of those realized

they have been hoodwinked and either went home or never came.

The transparent attempts to rebrand the Thaksin financed movement it to some of it's constituent parts,

as if they were the whole reason to be there is spurious at best and cynical through and through.

A well defined mandate is not the only reason a government should stand.

And the MP's are given THEIR mandate to use THEIR MANDATED legislative powers,

as they see fit during their elected tenure. As they see fit is how it often is.

Throwing out a legal government because your MPs don't agree

with your power brokers anymore is not a real reason to dissolve the house.

By the way your remaining protesters are reacting to the irrational 'gleeful noise' of

a mentally twisted Godhead leader in absentia grasping at straws as his ego deflates.

Please apologise for suggesting they are my 'remaining protestors' I am in no way connected to this protest nor do i support it and have never EVER suggested I did

[ChiangMaiFun]

lets move on to sensible debate?

The debate is Thaksin's remarks, which are anything but sensible, and which you have yet to fully and openly condemn. Far to busy no doubt, tripping over yourself to get in comments about the airport being closed.

haha... clever... read my posts - I mean read.. not just scan for more that you can use to twist and turn me into some sort of Thaksin supporter (which i am not).

[moresomekl]

Back to common sense...

much of the protest is not about Thaksin nor about a lot of the other nonsense (I am against blood protests and any correlation of Abhisit to Hitler OR Mother Theresa!).

Many are angry about the lack of mandate of this government - they are not Thaksin apologists nor particularly red shirted loonies – let's not lose any semblance of why many are frustrated in all the gleeful 'noise' about the ex-PMs state of mind. Most people think he was good and bad - no one thinks he's a saint and he may well be on the way out - but all this blood-lettting (forgive the pun) leave a little bad taste in my mouth as it's not about black versus white, good guys versus bad, good versus evil.

The current governement is legal under the thai constitution following some illegals acts though .

In Sept 06 Thaksin was deposed by a military coup , he was also the legal PM of THailand

appointed by HM the King of Thailand ,as a caretaker PM may be , but still legally the PM .

The manner of his removal by a military coup was totally illegal

After 2006 with Thaksin in exile , another governement favorable to Thaksin was removed by a thai court

under pressure of the yellow shirt blocking the airport (,another illegal move)

Thaksin won two elections and he still has a significant following among the thai rural

population whether one likes it or not

In view of what has happened the red shirts can really be forgiven for thinking that everytime their

candidate or supporting party comes to power somehow that candidate or that party is persecuted

until the opposite side is put in charge . And also forgiven for beeing frustrated about it .

Anybody would in their place ....

What they want overwelmingly is more democracy , so that the people has a say .

Thaksin happen to be their champion but it could be Winston Churchill

or Martin Luther King . i dont think it is so much a question of person as a question of principle

but yes Thaksin so happen to be their leader (the other two are dead anyway)

Yes Thaksin is a politician not a whiteknight in his armor . He has done some illegal things , part of his money has been

confiscated but it would be plain wrong to think that what motivates the red shirts is the return of that vast money to

Thaksin . I dont see how Thaksin could revert a decision by the supreme court of Thailand , even if he was

elected PM unless the thai constitution need some overhaul . I also dont see how he can become PM anyway

if he has been convicted by a court of wrong-doing .

I think what the rurals should do is find a good leader even if Thaksin remains their spiritual leader , win election

if they can , and this is valid for both reds and yellow be mature enough to concede defeat if the other party wins , rather then

try to sabotage the party that won , else democracy can not work . The army should also accept that they

are subordinated to the civil governement .

Thank you

[rixalex]

The current governement is legal under the thai constitution following some illegals acts though .

In Sept 06 Thaksin was deposed by a military coup , he was also the legal PM of THailand

appointed by HM the King of Thailand ,as a caretaker PM may be , but still legally the PM .

Was he still legally caretaker PM? I'm not sure. Caretaker PMs are only supposed to hold the position for a certain and limited period of time, which he had gone beyond.

After 2006 with Thaksin in exile , another governement favorable to Thaksin was removed by a thai court

under pressure of the yellow shirt blocking the airport (,another illegal move)

The yellow stunt at the airport was wrong, but is not related to the electoral fraud of the PPP. Blame the PPP for that, not the courts and not the yellows.

I also dont see how he can become PM anyway if he has been convicted by a court of wrong-doing .

Did you not observe the ease with which Thaksin changed the laws to allow the sale to Temasek? If and when his buddies get in power, i'm sure something can be worked out to bring him back to power. To think otherwise is to be naive.

[animatic]

Back to common sense...

much of the protest is not about Thaksin nor about a lot of the other nonsense (I am against blood protests and any correlation of Abhisit to Hitler OR Mother Theresa!).

Many are angry about the lack of mandate of this government - they are not Thaksin apologists nor particularly red shirted loonies – let's not lose any semblance of why many are frustrated in all the gleeful 'noise' about the ex-PMs state of mind. Most people think he was good and bad - no one thinks he's a saint and he may well be on the way out - but all this blood-lettting (forgive the pun) leave a little bad taste in my mouth as it's not about black versus white, good guys versus bad, good versus evil.

Common sense say this is totally about Thaksin using the poor people as a cudgel to beat on his enemies.

Secondarily some of the Red Shirts have other reasons to protest, but most of those realized

they have been hoodwinked and either went home or never came.

The transparent attempts to rebrand the Thaksin financed movement it to some of it's constituent parts,

as if they were the whole reason to be there is spurious at best and cynical through and through.

A well defined mandate is not the only reason a government should stand.

And the MP's are given THEIR mandate to use THEIR MANDATED legislative powers,

as they see fit during their elected tenure. As they see fit is how it often is.

Throwing out a legal government because your MPs don't agree

with your power brokers anymore is not a real reason to dissolve the house.

By the way your remaining protesters are reacting to the irrational 'gleeful noise' of

a mentally twisted Godhead leader in absentia grasping at straws as his ego deflates.

Please apologise for suggesting they are my 'remaining protestors' I am in no way connected to this protest nor do i support it and have never EVER suggested I did

Well other than your blanket support for Thaksin and his mission, the few weeks preseding this total cock-up,

yes, you are not connected to it. Or has that slipped your mind.

I was using the metaphorical YOUR. The use of them as a point on your discussion.

And not the YOUR of ownership or membership.

I believe you don't agree to human bloodsports as philosophical statements.

[Samuian]

.........as a caretaker PM may be , but still legally the PM .

What does even a "legal caretaker PM" represent without a parliament and already boycotted elections, which have been

annulled by a court of law?

The manner of his removal by a military coup was totally illegal

As the army protects the country and it's people, and is sworn in to serve this only

and as the situation will have it, there is someone above this all, how can the act of securing,

the countries safety, while the caretaker of government house was abroad,

not known to return for sure, be called "illegal"?

Thaksin won two elections and he still has a significant following among the thai rural

population whether one likes it or not ..

Thank you

Well, well, well this has been debated in full breadth and length!

Those "election's" weren't fair, nor transparent, many, many obscurities and

"rumors" hit "the floor" in abundance, so that many people started to wake up and ask questions!

The precursor of the downfall of the foundations of the empire this man and his entourage started to build!

Remember "I' am going to lead this country like a chairman of a company"!

Is this anticipated "one man rule" within democratic framework and understanding?

The absolute majority in Parliament of his just newly founded TRT party, made more people

fall off their comfortable chairs!

All of a sudden all democratic tools available, have been blunted.... a "de facto dictatorship" was born!

In my opinion this is what still drives this man and his entourage "up the ceiling" they've been so close..

so close and then the judiciary and finally the army comes to clean up the "conspiracy", a

conspiracy to hijack an entire Nation!

Not to forget the thousands of protesters being out on the streets...

So tell me, not only in moral and genuine democratic terms what is really illegal here or at least highly questionable?

I not to mention the trail tainted with blood of innocent people, of people who simply "disappeared"

of libel suits against anyone who dared to be critical or voice an opposing opinion...

Could this be the picture of your understanding of Morale, Democracy and Legality you trying to paint here?

If so it is a very blurred picture, not a single stroke of your "brush" really fits what you claim to be standing for!

Come with some more complaints about "illegality" of the oup or the current government,

I am more then ready to confute and rebut anything based on the

above foundations of deceit. blunt lies, bent facts and half-truths!

Thank you!

Edited March 18, 2010 by Samuian

[rixalex]

lets move on to sensible debate?

The debate is Thaksin's remarks, which are anything but sensible, and which you have yet to fully and openly condemn. Far to busy no doubt, tripping over yourself to get in comments about the airport being closed.

haha... clever... read my posts - I mean read.. not just scan for more that you can use to twist and turn me into some sort of Thaksin supporter (which i am not).

I did read your posts, and as i say, bearing in mind the topic is "Thaksin Draws Comparison Between Abhisit and Hitler", and bearing in mind also that you repeatedly tell us you don't support Thaksin, you have yet to fully and openly condemn him for those words, but instead return to your mantra of "the government is legitimate but some people think it isn't so that justifies having elections immediately". It has nothing to do with this thread and everything to do with your agenda.

[animatic]

There has yet to be ONE Thai government nor constitution that was not

preceded by some illegal acts.

If this is the benchmark for a legal government, then folks there AIN'T NEVER BEEN ONE...

But I don't by into this losers side idea of fairness.

If they were in the drivers seat then these illegal acts would be those of patriots

and not a PTP MP would do anything but defend them to high heaven and a seat at the trough.

[moresomekl]

The current governement is legal under the thai constitution following some illegals acts though .

In Sept 06 Thaksin was deposed by a military coup , he was also the legal PM of THailand

appointed by HM the King of Thailand ,as a caretaker PM may be , but still legally the PM .

Was he still legally caretaker PM? I'm not sure. Caretaker PMs are only supposed to hold the position for a certain and limited period of time, which he had gone beyond.

After 2006 with Thaksin in exile , another governement favorable to Thaksin was removed by a thai court

under pressure of the yellow shirt blocking the airport (,another illegal move)

The yellow stunt at the airport was wrong, but is not related to the electoral fraud of the PPP. Blame the PPP for that, not the courts and not the yellows.

I also dont see how he can become PM anyway if he has been convicted by a court of wrong-doing .

Did you not observe the ease with which Thaksin changed the laws to allow the sale to Temasek? If and when his buddies get in power, i'm sure something can be worked out to bring him back to power. To think otherwise is to be naive.

a) Yes he was the current PM appointed by HM the King of THailand .

Fair enough , but vote buying has been in use in Thailand since democracy exist and many governements have survived it . And the yellow blocking of the airport did put pressure on the court , thats why the yellows did it . It was illegal . Do you think that if any constituing party of Abhisit coalition was found guilty of vote buying they would be forced out . Dont make me laugh

c) Thaksin did illegal things yes and should be brought to account , and the same applies to any other PM .

[animatic]

(moresomekl @ 2010-03-18 14:05:57) *

Thaksin won two elections and he still has a significant following among the thai rural

population whether one likes it or not ..

Thank you

Kamnan Po of Pattaya infamy has a significant following too.

Doesn't mean he isn't a crook on the run from justice either.

A thief with a mandate is still a thief.

A mandate is not a valid pardon for a conviction.

A conviction is enough reason to call him a criminal.

Convicted criminals aren't fit to run nations.

Edited March 18, 2010 by animatic

[mazeltov]

Thaksin is just upset because Jatuporn is reportedly having an affair with his son. At least that's the word on the street.

The rumour was Jakapop not Jatuporn.

many do believe Jakapop to be a homosexual NTTAWWT

the issue came to a head right at the time that Jakapop was hung out to dry for his (in retrospect) extremely insulting and stupid speech that he gave at the foreign correspondents club. Aside from bad structure and ill thought out points, he was alleged to have committed lese majeste which he defended claiming bad translation.

THe problem was he also had given the same speech in LA.....in Thai.

Hence why he is on the run now and has turned into fugitive nutter red shirt number 2 (3 if you count convicted strongman slash corrupt politician Wattana Asavahame - don't see too many red shirts trying to get pardons for either of these gentlemen though). Ungpakorn is also on the run for lese majeste and while I admire him for speaking his mind, even if what he says is total <deleted> and not well reasoned, he is only pro red shirt because he is so anti certain things.

I would guess that around this time red shirters were testing the limits of what their followers would take - da torpedo, Jakapop etc - unfortunately having served their purpose both were hung out to dry.

Some feel that Jakapop was set up due to a relationship between him and Oak.

I am unsure whether it is entirely true. I don't doubt the sexual orientation suits for both men, but rather that being one of the richest brats in Thailand able to shag any male model or guy willing to accept some gifts for bending over (or bending you over), why would you go for some 40+ year old botox injecting fake tan short-arse unattractive nut job with an ego almost the size of your dad? Its pretty well known the kid has some major issues aside from just cheating and being caught at university - his party habits were witnessed by thousands - however he has his own twitter account, so if his dad can't stand for politics, no doubt some idiots will vote him into power somehow.

Tommy Suharto. Emelda Marcos. Baby Doc Duvalier. Now these are comparisons better than any German.

the sort of thing a 7 year old would say, is so laughable.

[animatic]

Was he still legally caretaker PM? I'm not sure. Caretaker PMs are only supposed to hold the position for a certain and limited period of time, which he had gone beyond.

After 2006 with Thaksin in exile , another governement favorable to Thaksin was removed by a thai court

under pressure of the yellow shirt blocking the airport (,another illegal move)

The yellow stunt at the airport was wrong, but is not related to the electoral fraud of the PPP. Blame the PPP for that, not the courts and not the yellows.

I also dont see how he can become PM anyway if he has been convicted by a court of wrong-doing .

Did you not observe the ease with which Thaksin changed the laws to allow the sale to Temasek? If and when his buddies get in power, i'm sure something can be worked out to bring him back to power. To think otherwise is to be naive.

a) Yes he was the current PM appointed by HM the King of THailand .

Fair enough , but vote buying has been in use in Thailand since democracy exist and many governements have survived it . And the yellow blocking of the airport did put pressure on the court , thats why the yellows did it . It was illegal . Do you think that if any constituing party of Abhisit coalition was found guilty of vote buying they would be forced out . Dont make me laugh

c) Thaksin did illegal things yes and should be brought to account , and the same applies to any other PM .

Thaksins caretaker PM status HAD expired,

he served at the pleasure of HRM at that point.

And nothing beyond that since it was a total gray area.

Individual Democrats were caught in voting irregularities and were thrown out,

but the main point is INDIVIDUALS and never the controlling leaders of the Party.

The same is not said for TRT PPP or their sister parties.

Caught read handed, pun intended , and convicted and dissolved.

their own bloody red faults too.

[rixalex]

a) Yes he was the current PM appointed by HM the King of THailand .

Caretaker PM and appointed by HM for the period of time allowed. That time had passed.

Fair enough , but vote buying has been in use in Thailand since democracy exist and many governements have survived it .

This wasn't simple vote buying, it was electoral fraud, and it was commited by party executives.

And the yellow blocking of the airport did put pressure on the court , thats why the yellows did it .

I don't think so. They were putting pressure on the government which was hel_l-bent on changing laws in order to pave the way for Thaksin's return.

c) Thaksin did illegal things yes and should be brought to account , and the same applies to any other PM .

Completely agree.

[moresomekl]

Did you not observe the ease with which Thaksin changed the laws to allow the sale to Temasek? If and when his buddies get in power, i'm sure something can be worked out to bring him back to power. To think otherwise is to be naive.

Above all he did not pay taxes , totally illegal yes

I must add that its not beeing naive to imagine that anyone with a criminal record can not be elected . hel_l in my country you cant even become a civil servant like a teacher if you got a criminal record LOL

[bangkokrick]

I thought that comparing Abhisit to Hitler was ridiculous enough, but to compare Thaksin with Winston Churchill

and Martin Luther King is absolutely outrageous and insulting, even that they should be mentioned in the same sentence.

Get a grip man.

Rick