...walking on the sidewalks in pattaya. there are two clear groups, who believe they can just make everyone else get out of their way, despite there being ample room for everyone to walk past each other without any issues.

1. young chinese men walking with a woman. they walk down the middle of the sidewalks and expect everyone else to get out of their way. i lived in huai kwang for longer than i wished to and it was the same, as nine in ten of people walking down the street were native chinese working illegally in the area. but in that area the sidewalks are tiny, so was maybe excusable. but on the main streets of pattaya they are easily wide enough, but they still do the exact same thing. walk right down the middle without any consideration.

2. really overweight female russians and westerners. they do the same as the chinese men, but sometimes they are even worse, they actually veer towards you to make you move out of the way, even if it was not necessary. they also manspread on a baht bus taking up three seats that an average thai would take up.

can anyone please explain these c--nty cultural behaviors, or is that just the new modern world we live in now...

1 hour ago, Jay0kay said:

walking on the sidewalks in pattaya. there are two clear groups, who believe they can just make everyone else get out of their way

1. chinese men

2. female russians and westerners

I've always said it, the worst thing about Thailand are some of the foreigners.

Bloody foreigners arriving in Thailand.

The Thai's are the nicest people you'll ever meet, just don't cross them, you'll regret it.

Here's some sidewalk action

I reckon she got off lightly

If a fat Russian woman were veering towards me I would be smashing that in no time.

55 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

I've always said it, the worst thing about Thailand are some of the foreigners.

Bloody foreigners arriving in Thailand.

The Thai's are the nicest people you'll ever meet, just don't cross them, you'll regret it.

Here's some sidewalk action

I reckon she got off lightly

Jeffin ek - a few thoughts, because there’s a lot going on there…

First - how many of these clips are you sitting on, finger hovering over “post,” just waiting for the next example of foreigners behaving badly? It’s less coincidence and more curated archive...

Second - that woman was an absolute pest. I struggle to wrap my head around that kind of behaviour. Even factoring in drink, there’s something deeply off about going out of your way to provoke like that - it defo hints at a volatile streak - also hints at a huge degree of stupidity to be so situationally unaware (*on this point at the end of this comment)

Third - the tipping point is predictable from both parties. That push to the face - line crossed in an instant. One second the LB is defensive, backing away, not wanting to escalate… the next, well, it would take a better character than most to not react. The visuals very clear - flip-flops off, switch flicked, and suddenly it’s game on. Without the voices I can imagine the tone shift from "girl voice - leave me alone" to baritone "you is gone done it, you is foooked now" !!

And finally - the trigger finger speed of those LB's on the sideline... Reflexes you’d expect from professional athletes - waiting for that one trigger to go from onlookers to kicking someone in the face - deep underling aggression just waiting for the snap.

(*down in Pats with friends, one of them new to Thailand - a good lad but after some booze he was behaving like bit of a twit - I warned him that if he carries on he's attracting trouble - he was situationally unaware but at least listened to advice even when pished up because he wasn't / isn't a total tool).

58 minutes ago, Celsius said:

If a fat Russian woman were veering towards me I would be smashing that in no time.

When you say 'smashing that in no time'... is you a chubby chaser init ?

29 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

When you say 'smashing that in no time'... is you a chubby chaser init ?

As long as she's not a 3

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

First - how many of these clips are you sitting on

This offensive behaviour of a foreigner was yesterday, not sitting on anything.

It just so happens I have accumulated many friendly groups that I have connected with over the decades living in Thailand. Daily I receive offensive videos of foreigners misbehaving in Thailand.

I find most countries walking etiquette is ok except Indians, who have terrible etiquette, hold your ground they move a microsecond before you hit them

49 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

This offensive behaviour of a foreigner was yesterday, not sitting on anything.

It just so happens I have accumulated many friendly groups that I have connected with over the decades living in Thailand. Daily I receive offensive videos of foreigners misbehaving in Thailand.

I quite agree - you are not sitting on anything - but you have amassed a significant degree of anti-foreigner sentiment - that mass is sitting on both of your shoulders and you've just highlighted that its fuelled by an anti-farang echo-chamber - everyone sending everyone else daily videos of offensive foreigners...

After being here for nearly 30 years, working throughout Thailand and internationally - mixing with people from all over the world, including many Thai's - Golf, football, work, social groups - no one seems to have this bias you so overtly present.

I don't get it - perhaps its a Pattaya expat thing because there are more foreign fouktards there ?.. In BKK - I just don't meet people who dwell on the tw^ttery of other foreigners...

51 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

they move a microsecond before you hit them

With a 3"x4"?

3 hours ago, Celsius said:

If a fat Russian woman were veering towards me I would be smashing that in no time.

Eewww. You want sex with fat Russian women?

50 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

I find most countries walking etiquette is ok except Indians, who have terrible etiquette, hold your ground they move a microsecond before you hit them

Absolutely love Indians - but I truly find their behavior a complete enigma !!!

Impossible to generalise of course - particularly across 1.5 billion people within India and a wider heritage of an additional 54 million.... But dumbing down and simplifying things - Indian's have a very special skill for accidentally, inadvertently, innocently pushing buttons to drive another person insane with fury yet unable to react because intent was nothing other than positive.

A truly lovely people, and that holds for the most part of all Indian's I've met - perhaps the nicest race of people on the planet while somehow inexplicably being the most infuriating at the same time !!!

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Absolutely love Indians - but I truly find their behavior a complete enigma !!!

Impossible to generalise of course - particularly across 1.5 billion people within India and a wider heritage of an additional 54 million.... But dumbing down and simplifying things - Indian's have a very special skill for accidentally, inadvertently, innocently pushing buttons to drive another person insane with fury yet unable to react because intent was nothing other than positive.

A truly lovely people, and that holds for the most part of all Indian's I've met - perhaps the nicest race of people on the planet while somehow inexplicably being the most infuriating at the same time !!!

In Pattaya there was a sign put in the road, no walking in the road, they seem ignorant that they are blocking vehicles, i dealt with them for years at work, totally good, but here maybe less educated, different caste perhaps

3 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Here's some sidewalk action

Do you have 15 Terabytes of videos of foreigners behaving badly stored on your hard drive or what?

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

And finally - the trigger finger speed of those LB's on the sideline... Reflexes you’d expect from professional athletes - waiting for that one trigger to go from onlookers to kicking someone in the face - deep underling aggression just waiting for the snap.

Because it's street survival.

They're hustling on the streets, not working in a cozy office job, and not everyone on the streets acts decent.

So they learn to develop instincts to attack.

10 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Pattaya there was a sign put in the road, no walking in the road, they seem ignorant that they are blocking vehicles

Bring back the young Thai guys riding 2 on a Honda Wave, pillion rider was slapping the back of the heads of these rude Indians. 😂

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Do you have 15 Terabytes of videos of foreigners

16 Terabytes

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

you have amassed a significant degree of anti-foreigner sentiment

Richard, you don't see it, living in Pattaya I see foreigners behaving badly every day.

You are tucked away, I think Bangkok if I remember, obviously a better class of foreigners where you are.

I'm not talking bad about every foreigner in Thailand, my best friends here are foreigners.

I travel around Thailand frequently, I see many courteous, respectful foreigners.

2 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Richard, you don't see it, living in Pattaya I see foreigners behaving badly every day.

In the bar area when drunk mostly.

Means you're spending an awful lot of your time drinking in bars.

1 hour ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

This offensive behaviour of a foreigner was yesterday, not sitting on anything.

It just so happens I have accumulated many friendly groups that I have connected with over the decades living in Thailand. Daily I receive offensive videos of foreigners misbehaving in Thailand.

And completely, again, not understand 99% of the problems here are from locals. It's called putting the blame where it belongs, and isn't bashing anyone in particular. Obviously others here have noticed this in you. If you see this in Pattaya, remember it doesn't reflect on the rest of Thailand, so just say that. Pattaya has it's share of crazy foreigners, which even those who don't go there understand by now.

In all my life, the one's I've noticed who do this most are Chinese women first. Almost every time I've been flying, they walk straight into you, thinking you have to move aside. The last one found out it didn't work. She bounced off me, and had others around laughing, I'm guessing they knew.

2 hours ago, Celsius said:

As long as she's not a 3

You look at the mantle piece whilst stoking the fire ?

1 minute ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Richard, you don't see it, living in Pattaya I see foreigners behaving badly every day.

You are tucked away, I think Bangkok if I remember, obviously a better class of foreigners where you are.

I'm not talking bad about every foreigner in Thailand, my best friends here are foreigners.

I travel around Thailand frequently, I see many courteous, respectful foreigners.

Fair enough - that’s a more balanced take.

Yes, I’m in Bangkok. If I were in Pattaya or Patong, my views might be a bit more jaded too - though that probably depends on how often I’m exposed to that kind of behaviour.

I’m never quite sure whether certain places attract more pillocks, create them, or simply give already-existing pillocks the freedom to show their true colours.

SF - I can take a reasonable guess at what you do and where you do it. A confined, structured environment, dealing with a mix of cultures, attitudes and behaviours - sounds like a ship, rig, or platform. That’s why your tone sometimes surprises me. Perhaps you’re more tolerant in person and just use the keyboard as a bit of a pressure valve.

That said, your last comment shows a balance I don’t often see from you. The truth is, most foreigners are courteous and respectful - that’s the vast majority of people around us. The real idiots are few and far between. They just happen to be the loudest, attract attention, and end up shaping perception - whether in Bangkok or Pattaya.

38 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Richard, you don't see it, living in Pattaya I see foreigners behaving badly every day.

You are tucked away, I think Bangkok if I remember, obviously a better class of foreigners where you are.

I'm not talking bad about every foreigner in Thailand, my best friends here are foreigners.

You have friends... surprising.

45 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

In Pattaya there was a sign put in the road, no walking in the road, they seem ignorant that they are blocking vehicles, i dealt with them for years at work, totally good, but here maybe less educated, different caste perhaps

Just… different.

Two small stories that amuse me...

I’m on the putting green, and a mate is bending his putter over his knee. I ask him - with some colourful launguage - what on earth he’s doing. He says, completely straight-faced, “My putts keep going left… I’m fixing it”
It made me pause. Is that “Indian logic”? Or just his logic? Culture, upbringing, personality - who knows. But it stuck with me.

Then, more recently, in a hotel after a very late night. “Do Not Disturb” light on. Normally, they’d just slide a card underneath and leave it at that.
No.... I get a call from reception: “Sir, your room has the Do Not Disturb sign on… would you like it cleaned? The staff are waiting.”
Completely defeats the point - yet I'm left admiring the commitment.

To balance it out - two of the smartest people I’ve ever worked with were Indian. Brilliant, humble, genuinely great to be around. And yet… when needed, they could drop a total sh!t-bomb on people below them - a level of directness that can feel brutal if you’re not used to it.

I suppose that’s the thing - you get warmth, sharpness, logic, contradiction… all in the same package. Just different, not better or worse.

And that brings my point back full circle to this topic - consideration - is it cultural or personal ?

Sometimes I think we may see more than is there - if we don't step back our confirmation bias fills the gaps.

5 minutes ago, petermik said:

You have friends... surprising.

My friends are similar to myself, good natured, respectful, caring, 'minding our own business' type of people.

Not the type who can't help themselves by posting antagonizing, hostile comments to other members.

I'm guessing if you sat in a high traffic area and observed behavior of pedestrians systematically that your groupings wouldn't hold up.

When I lived in Los Angeles I used to think to myself that luxury car drivers were such arrogant entitled drivers, but I'm guessing that Toyota drivers were just as bad.

Certain types get under our skin and we take note of their bad behavior.

Now Russians...

2 minutes ago, petermik said:

You have friends... surprising.

You could’ve just given him a thumbs-down emoji - he seems to collect them.

But more to the point: even with all the disagreements on here, there’s a nuance that often gets lost. Very few people are so objectionable that their company would genuinely be unwelcome.

Most of us - and I mean all [edit] most (I forgot about harrisfan) of us on the forum - are pretty normal. The difference is, written exchanges stretch things out. What would be a few minutes of back-and-forth in person becomes hours or days online. In real life, a wry smile softens a piss-take, and a serious point lands more cleanly. You disagree, shrug it off, and have a beer. Online, it turns into “right, let’s argue.”

SF clearly has solid mates. I’d bet he comes across quite differently in person than he does here. This version - the forum version - isn’t the full picture for many of us - most of us, even all of us I imagine.

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I’m on the putting green

you're a golfer?

too hot to play golf in thailand.

5 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

My friends are similar to myself, good natured, respectful, caring, 'minding our own business' type of people.

So you're part of an elite clique of Pattayans who stand out from the regular riff raff of Pattaya? That's what I'm getting from your posts.