Thai Peace Talks End Without Resolution

[animatic]

He seems to be getting fatter

Mostly between his ears.

Which was pretty much filled to capacit years ago.

Which explains it leaking out his ears and into his jowls.

No he isn't elite;

eating like this while the poor Isaanese starve. (Jatuprawn toofer???)

Now THIS is REAL Leadership.... as in go down with the ship.

Edited March 31, 2010 by animatic

[animatic]

Or are too lazy to keep the toilets clean...

Oh wait they want to control ALL services in all of Thailand,

but have only worked their way up to ordering lavatory attendants...

[termad]

quote]<br /><br /><br /><br />Intelligence gathering is not against the law in any major democracy. And while the immense majority of reds rank and file are peaceful farmers i believe , some characters (arispan f.e) are quite dangerous and can cause violence . The purpose of those infiltrators would be to warn the governement and preempt this from happening for the good of everyone .<br />As for the governement trying to infect the crowd with H1N1 or whatever by sending infected spies its really far fetched .<br />

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They tried to start a massive panic and it's pointless to deny that. As to whether they knew that the man was infected before being sent to the demonstration I don't know neither do you.<br />

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They try to start a massive panic you say but they dont know if the man was infected . Is that logical ? What are you smoking ?

Who said that they didn't know he was sick? I certainly didn't. Read the posts before you reply.

Why did the Minister of Health say that a Red Shirt had H1N1 flu when obviously by that stage (hospital treatment) somebody would have checked his ID card and they would have known that he was not a Red Shirt but one of the Ministry of Health "volunteers" (thugs). So the Minister was not telling the truth was he?

Why did the Minister of Health say that members of the Press were exhibiting symptoms of H1N1 when he knew that wasn't true?

Why did The Minister of Health suggest that Bangkok was in danger of mass infection by the Red Shirts when he knew that wasn't true?

I understand that even the early symptoms of H1N1 flu are very unpleasant so why would a man in that condition go to the demonstration unless he was ordered to?

Not trying to start a mass panic? Please define your definition of logical.

Also, if you remember the extreme violence at the Victory Monument last Sonkrang you will also remember the the Red Shirts stated that they had been infiltrated and it was the infiltrators that started and carried out the violence. This was flatly denied by the Government. Now we have positive proof that Abhisit's Ministry of the Interior "volunteers" are infiltrating the demonstrations. He also admitted at the start of the demonstrations that 1,000 of these thugs had been recruited to infiltrate the very peaceful and non-violent demonstrations. So what have the other 999 got in mind because I don't believe that you need 1,000 thugs to gather intelligence at a demonstration and you've also got some nerve suggesting that the Red Shirt leaders are dangerous when you have 1,000 Government recruited thugs on the loose.

[frodo]

Also, if you remember the extreme violence at the Victory Monument last Sonkrang you will also remember the the Red Shirts stated that they had been infiltrated and it was the infiltrators that started and carried out the violence. This was flatly denied by the Government. Now we have positive proof that Abhisit's Ministry of the Interior "volunteers" are infiltrating the demonstrations. He also admitted at the start of the demonstrations that 1,000 of these thugs had been recruited to infiltrate the very peaceful and non-violent demonstrations. So what have the other 999 got in mind because I don't believe that you need 1,000 thugs to gather intelligence at a demonstration and you've also got some nerve suggesting that the Red Shirt leaders are dangerous when you have 1,000 Government recruited thugs on the loose.

Of course they deny it, doesn't mean anything, does it?

The ASEAN incident speaks volumes about what they are really about as well as the attack on Prem's home a few years back, which by the way, some of the UDD leaders have charges pending. I suppose you will also deny that UDD leader, Arisiman, asked the followers to set Bangkok afire if they did not get their way. Let me guess, the man who looked like Arisiman on stage was really an infiltrator sponsored by the government. Then again,some here also believe that vote buying does not happen in Thailand, right?

[termad]

They tried to start a massive panic and it's pointless to deny that. As to whether they knew that the man was infected before being sent to the demonstration I don't know neither do you.

How would it start a massive panic? It's easy to deny that. It didn't start any sort of panic.

You were the one suggesting that the government knew he was infected. But you don't know that!

I don't think he's denying the fact that a "government volunteer" had H1N1.

But your suggestions that it was all a government conspiracy to spread panic was a bit of a stretch.

As you said, he came from an area that has some H1N1 infections.

Your assumption that everyone is health checked before they go to the protests means that you have more faith in this government than I gave you credit for.

As it was started by the Minister of Health yes it was a government attempt to start a panic and it would be very hard for the Goverment to deny it.

Selective reading again. I didn't say that everyone is health checked before they go to a protest I said "knowing goverment departments all "volunteers" would have been given a health check before being accepted"

OK. I'll rephrase.

Your assumption that all the volunteers are health checked before they go to the protests means that you have more faith in this government than I gave you credit for.

My assumption that all volunteers would have a Health Check is based on experience dealing with Civil Servants and HR departments where all workers who are recruited to carry out duties involving physical exertion are given health checks. Of course you would now argue that all the 1000 "volunteers" thugs recruited by Abhisit are only used to gather intelligence and not to get involved in physical exertion (violence). But I remember last Songkrang when the Red Shirts said that the extreme violence at Victory Monument was the work of infiltrators, this was flatly denied by the Government. What are they going to say now, "We never infiltrate demonstrations with paid Government thugs?"

[termad]

Also, if you remember the extreme violence at the Victory Monument last Sonkrang you will also remember the the Red Shirts stated that they had been infiltrated and it was the infiltrators that started and carried out the violence. This was flatly denied by the Government. Now we have positive proof that Abhisit's Ministry of the Interior "volunteers" are infiltrating the demonstrations. He also admitted at the start of the demonstrations that 1,000 of these thugs had been recruited to infiltrate the very peaceful and non-violent demonstrations. So what have the other 999 got in mind because I don't believe that you need 1,000 thugs to gather intelligence at a demonstration and you've also got some nerve suggesting that the Red Shirt leaders are dangerous when you have 1,000 Government recruited thugs on the loose.

Of course they deny it, doesn't mean anything, does it?

The ASEAN incident speaks volumes about what they are really about as well as the attack on Prem's home a few years back, which by the way, some of the UDD leaders have charges pending. I suppose you will also deny that UDD leader, Arisiman, asked the followers to set Bangkok afire if they did not get their way. Let me guess, the man who looked like Arisiman on stage was really an infiltrator sponsored by the government. Then again,some here also believe that vote buying does not happen in Thailand, right?

What do you mean "Of course they deny it, doesn't mean anything, does it?"

[jdinasia]

Termad .. those conspiracy theories of yours are getting more outrageous by the day Strange that your "paid government thugs" have not started any violence that you can prove particularly during the last three weeks. Your claim of knowledge about "paid government thugs" being health tested during a time-frame to show h1n1 --- well oulandish isn't the word I would use: ludicrous is.

[anotherpeter]

Who said that they didn't know he was sick? I certainly didn't. Read the posts before you reply.

Why did the Minister of Health say that a Red Shirt had H1N1 flu when obviously by that stage (hospital treatment) somebody would have checked his ID card and they would have known that he was not a Red Shirt but one of the Ministry of Health "volunteers" (thugs). So the Minister was not telling the truth was he?

Why did the Minister of Health say that members of the Press were exhibiting symptoms of H1N1 when he knew that wasn't true?

Why did The Minister of Health suggest that Bangkok was in danger of mass infection by the Red Shirts when he knew that wasn't true?

I understand that even the early symptoms of H1N1 flu are very unpleasant so why would a man in that condition go to the demonstration unless he was ordered to?

Not trying to start a mass panic? Please define your definition of logical.

Also, if you remember the extreme violence at the Victory Monument last Sonkrang you will also remember the the Red Shirts stated that they had been infiltrated and it was the infiltrators that started and carried out the violence. This was flatly denied by the Government. Now we have positive proof that Abhisit's Ministry of the Interior "volunteers" are infiltrating the demonstrations. He also admitted at the start of the demonstrations that 1,000 of these thugs had been recruited to infiltrate the very peaceful and non-violent demonstrations. So what have the other 999 got in mind because I don't believe that you need 1,000 thugs to gather intelligence at a demonstration and you've also got some nerve suggesting that the Red Shirt leaders are dangerous when you have 1,000 Government recruited thugs on the loose.

You seem to forget where you are.

In the hospital, someone would have checked his ID ... that someone would be a nurse. Last I checked, the Thai ID card doesn't have anything on it stating your political affiliations or your employment.

The Minister would have been told that someone at the protest had H1N1. So he passed on that information to the media. There was a correction later. Given that there was a report of H1N1, then he needed to make sure that the people were looked after. ie organising flu jabs. Not creating a panic. Just making sure it doesn't spread.

The early symptoms of H1N1 are the same as any flu. A sniffle. An ache. Not even bad enough to stay home. That's why it's dangerous.

The whole idea of a conspiracy theory to create panic is a bit far fetched.

And your suggestion that the reds had nothing to do with the violence last Songkran, and it was all just government infiltrators ... well, you had better check the aluminium foil over your windows, because the **government can still see you.**

[termad]

Bangkok Governor Sukhumbhand Paribatra visited the red-shirt protesters Wednesday morning to find out what assistance they may need from the city administration.

The governor visited the rally site at 9:30 am and talked to Veera Somkwamkid and Jatuporn Promphan.

The two said they needed the city administration to send officials to keep the public toilets in the area clean and to collect garbage.

You mean these country folk don't know how to keep a frickin' toilet clean? They really are in need of some education and fast if they can't perform a simple chore such as keeping a toilet clean.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Bangk...s-30126000.html

What a stupid quote. Up to one hundred thousand people using the toilets in one area and the city administration shouldn't put on extra staff?

[termad]

Termad .. those conspiracy theories of yours are getting more outrageous by the day Strange that your "paid government thugs" have not started any violence that you can prove particularly during the last three weeks. Your claim of knowledge about "paid government thugs" being health tested during a time-frame to show h1n1 --- well oulandish isn't the word I would use: ludicrous is.

Selective reading: I haven't claimed that I have any knowledge of anybody being health tested to show H1N1. Read the posts before you reply.

I also don't need to prove that the 1,000 thugs have been recruited for any inocent reason because there is no other reason why they would have been recruited.

Edited March 31, 2010 by termad

[jdinasia]

Bangkok Governor Sukhumbhand Paribatra visited the red-shirt protesters Wednesday morning to find out what assistance they may need from the city administration.

The governor visited the rally site at 9:30 am and talked to Veera Somkwamkid and Jatuporn Promphan.

The two said they needed the city administration to send officials to keep the public toilets in the area clean and to collect garbage.

You mean these country folk don't know how to keep a frickin' toilet clean? They really are in need of some education and fast if they can't perform a simple chore such as keeping a toilet clean.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Bangk...s-30126000.html

What a stupid quote. Up to one hundred thousand people using the toilets in one area and the city administration shouldn't put on extra staff?

If they put on extra staff some conspiracy theorist would then call them "paid government thugs"

[anotherpeter]

My assumption that all volunteers would have a Health Check is based on experience dealing with Civil Servants and HR departments where all workers who are recruited to carry out duties involving physical exertion are given health checks. Of course you would now argue that all the 1000 "volunteers" thugs recruited by Abhisit are only used to gather intelligence and not to get involved in physical exertion (violence). But I remember last Songkrang when the Red Shirts said that the extreme violence at Victory Monument was the work of infiltrators, this was flatly denied by the Government. What are they going to say now, "We never infiltrate demonstrations with paid Government thugs?"

Physical exertion?? They are probably all sleeping on some chair somewhere, making a phone call every hour saying "yep, they're still here".

Have you seen any of these volunteers? Are any of them dressed in red? Are you on something?

[jdinasia]

Termad .. those conspiracy theories of yours are getting more outrageous by the day Strange that your "paid government thugs" have not started any violence that you can prove particularly during the last three weeks. Your claim of knowledge about "paid government thugs" being health tested during a time-frame to show h1n1 --- well oulandish isn't the word I would use: ludicrous is.

Selective reading: I didn't say that I have any knowledge of anybody being health tested to show H1N1. Read the posts before you reply.

True --- you only implied it ---

My assumption that all volunteers would have a Health Check is based on experience dealing with Civil Servants and HR departments where all workers who are recruited to carry out duties involving physical exertion are given health checks.

and you implied it based on your "experience" thus claiming expert status

[anotherpeter]

Termad .. those conspiracy theories of yours are getting more outrageous by the day Strange that your "paid government thugs" have not started any violence that you can prove particularly during the last three weeks. Your claim of knowledge about "paid government thugs" being health tested during a time-frame to show h1n1 --- well oulandish isn't the word I would use: ludicrous is.

Selective reading: I didn't say that I have any knowledge of anybody being health tested to show H1N1. Read the posts before you reply.

You didn't say you had knowledge of anyone being tested, except you said that they would have been tested.

That's the thing about conspiracy theories. There's no knowledge of anything. *Selective use of your brain*.

[anotherpeter]

Bangkok Governor Sukhumbhand Paribatra visited the red-shirt protesters Wednesday morning to find out what assistance they may need from the city administration.

The governor visited the rally site at 9:30 am and talked to Veera Somkwamkid and Jatuporn Promphan.

The two said they needed the city administration to send officials to keep the public toilets in the area clean and to collect garbage.

You mean these country folk don't know how to keep a frickin' toilet clean? They really are in need of some education and fast if they can't perform a simple chore such as keeping a toilet clean.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Bangk...s-30126000.html

What a stupid quote. Up to one hundred thousand people using the toilets in one area and the city administration shouldn't put on extra staff?

They didn't bring their own staff to clean the toilets?

Next time I have a big party, I'll tell the city administration that they need to come and clean my toilets.

[frodo]

Bangkok Governor Sukhumbhand Paribatra visited the red-shirt protesters Wednesday morning to find out what assistance they may need from the city administration.

The governor visited the rally site at 9:30 am and talked to Veera Somkwamkid and Jatuporn Promphan.

The two said they needed the city administration to send officials to keep the public toilets in the area clean and to collect garbage.

You mean these country folk don't know how to keep a frickin' toilet clean? They really are in need of some education and fast if they can't perform a simple chore such as keeping a toilet clean.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Bangk...s-30126000.html

What a stupid quote. Up to one hundred thousand people using the toilets in one area and the city administration shouldn't put on extra staff?

LOL

In other words, 100,000 people use the toilets and they complain they are dirty and need to be cleaned? It's called laziness. If it's that bad, clean it and stop the whining.

[frodo]

Also, if you remember the extreme violence at the Victory Monument last Sonkrang you will also remember the the Red Shirts stated that they had been infiltrated and it was the infiltrators that started and carried out the violence. This was flatly denied by the Government. Now we have positive proof that Abhisit's Ministry of the Interior "volunteers" are infiltrating the demonstrations. He also admitted at the start of the demonstrations that 1,000 of these thugs had been recruited to infiltrate the very peaceful and non-violent demonstrations. So what have the other 999 got in mind because I don't believe that you need 1,000 thugs to gather intelligence at a demonstration and you've also got some nerve suggesting that the Red Shirt leaders are dangerous when you have 1,000 Government recruited thugs on the loose.

Of course they deny it, doesn't mean anything, does it?

The ASEAN incident speaks volumes about what they are really about as well as the attack on Prem's home a few years back, which by the way, some of the UDD leaders have charges pending. I suppose you will also deny that UDD leader, Arisiman, asked the followers to set Bangkok afire if they did not get their way. Let me guess, the man who looked like Arisiman on stage was really an infiltrator sponsored by the government. Then again,some here also believe that vote buying does not happen in Thailand, right?

What do you mean "Of course they deny it, doesn't mean anything, does it?"

What I mean is, is that the UDD continually deny they did any of this according to what you had written. Infiltrators? Naw, they did it.

During the past few weeks statements such as, "If Abhisit had been home the blood would have come from his head, and we would have washed our feet in it," is not indicative of non-violence or peace. ASEAN, Black Songkran, current threats by Arisiman, Jatuporn, et al., clearly show a violent tendency from this movement.

[Cayenne]

Termad .. those conspiracy theories of yours are getting more outrageous by the day Strange that your "paid government thugs" have not started any violence that you can prove particularly during the last three weeks. Your claim of knowledge about "paid government thugs" being health tested during a time-frame to show h1n1 --- well oulandish isn't the word I would use: ludicrous is.

The word you would use (just to be trendy now) is "weng". Such as:

There's a weng in our midst!

What a weng!

Weng to go, Termad!

Oh the list is endless...

[Insight]

Termad .. those conspiracy theories of yours are getting more outrageous by the day Strange that your "paid government thugs" have not started any violence that you can prove particularly during the last three weeks. Your claim of knowledge about "paid government thugs" being health tested during a time-frame to show h1n1 --- well oulandish isn't the word I would use: ludicrous is.

The word you would use (just to be trendy now) is "weng". Such as:

There's a weng in our midst!

What a weng!

Weng to go, Termad!

Oh the list is endless...

Bring a brolly to this week's weng-a-thon.

[termad]

Who said that they didn't know he was sick? I certainly didn't. Read the posts before you reply.

Why did the Minister of Health say that a Red Shirt had H1N1 flu when obviously by that stage (hospital treatment) somebody would have checked his ID card and they would have known that he was not a Red Shirt but one of the Ministry of Health "volunteers" (thugs). So the Minister was not telling the truth was he?

Why did the Minister of Health say that members of the Press were exhibiting symptoms of H1N1 when he knew that wasn't true?

Why did The Minister of Health suggest that Bangkok was in danger of mass infection by the Red Shirts when he knew that wasn't true?

I understand that even the early symptoms of H1N1 flu are very unpleasant so why would a man in that condition go to the demonstration unless he was ordered to?

Not trying to start a mass panic? Please define your definition of logical.

Also, if you remember the extreme violence at the Victory Monument last Sonkrang you will also remember the the Red Shirts stated that they had been infiltrated and it was the infiltrators that started and carried out the violence. This was flatly denied by the Government. Now we have positive proof that Abhisit's Ministry of the Interior "volunteers" are infiltrating the demonstrations. He also admitted at the start of the demonstrations that 1,000 of these thugs had been recruited to infiltrate the very peaceful and non-violent demonstrations. So what have the other 999 got in mind because I don't believe that you need 1,000 thugs to gather intelligence at a demonstration and you've also got some nerve suggesting that the Red Shirt leaders are dangerous when you have 1,000 Government recruited thugs on the loose.

You seem to forget where you are.

In the hospital, someone would have checked his ID ... that someone would be a nurse. Last I checked, the Thai ID card doesn't have anything on it stating your political affiliations or your employment.

The Minister would have been told that someone at the protest had H1N1. So he passed on that information to the media. There was a correction later. Given that there was a report of H1N1, then he needed to make sure that the people were looked after. ie organising flu jabs. Not creating a panic. Just making sure it doesn't spread.

The early symptoms of H1N1 are the same as any flu. A sniffle. An ache. Not even bad enough to stay home. That's why it's dangerous.

The whole idea of a conspiracy theory to create panic is a bit far fetched.

And your suggestion that the reds had nothing to do with the violence last Songkran, and it was all just government infiltrators ... well, you had better check the aluminium foil over your windows, because the **government can still see you.**

Making it up as you go along again.

I know exactly where I am. I am in Thailand where as in most other countries H1N1 is a comunicable disease. The first things that the medical staff would have asked him would be the name of his employer and the address of his family. They would then have passed that information to - Guess who? - Why surprise surprise the Ministry of Health that's who. They even have a control room to monitor new cases.

He didn't correct anything. He said that a Red Shirt had H1N1 which he knew to be a lie. He went on to say that a number of journalists (covering the demonstrations) had also come down with flu-like symtoms which was another lie.

I know somebody who had H1N1 and I assure you that the symtoms, even early symptoms, are a lot more unpleasant than a sniffle and ache.

If you are saying that the Minister of Health told lies (confirmed by the press) for any other reason than to cause a panic and disrupt the demonstration what was it? I'd love to hear your explanation.

Selective Reading: I didn't say that the Red Shirts had nothing to do with the violence last Songkran I said that the Red Shirts said that they had been infiltrated and that it was the infiltrators that started the violence. In view of the fact that we now have proof that the Government has infiltrated the current demonstration and (according to Abhisit) has recruited 1000 "volunteers" (thugs) from the Ministry of the Interior are you saying that there is no way that the Government had similar volunteers infiltrated into the demonstration last Songkran? If so why?

[termad]

Termad .. those conspiracy theories of yours are getting more outrageous by the day Strange that your "paid government thugs" have not started any violence that you can prove particularly during the last three weeks. Your claim of knowledge about "paid government thugs" being health tested during a time-frame to show h1n1 --- well oulandish isn't the word I would use: ludicrous is.

The word you would use (just to be trendy now) is "weng". Such as:

There's a weng in our midst!

What a weng!

Weng to go, Termad!

Oh the list is endless...

Which is obviously untrue of the capacity of your brain.

[frodo]

Who said that they didn't know he was sick? I certainly didn't. Read the posts before you reply.

Why did the Minister of Health say that a Red Shirt had H1N1 flu when obviously by that stage (hospital treatment) somebody would have checked his ID card and they would have known that he was not a Red Shirt but one of the Ministry of Health "volunteers" (thugs). So the Minister was not telling the truth was he?

Why did the Minister of Health say that members of the Press were exhibiting symptoms of H1N1 when he knew that wasn't true?

Why did The Minister of Health suggest that Bangkok was in danger of mass infection by the Red Shirts when he knew that wasn't true?

I understand that even the early symptoms of H1N1 flu are very unpleasant so why would a man in that condition go to the demonstration unless he was ordered to?

Not trying to start a mass panic? Please define your definition of logical.

Also, if you remember the extreme violence at the Victory Monument last Sonkrang you will also remember the the Red Shirts stated that they had been infiltrated and it was the infiltrators that started and carried out the violence. This was flatly denied by the Government. Now we have positive proof that Abhisit's Ministry of the Interior "volunteers" are infiltrating the demonstrations. He also admitted at the start of the demonstrations that 1,000 of these thugs had been recruited to infiltrate the very peaceful and non-violent demonstrations. So what have the other 999 got in mind because I don't believe that you need 1,000 thugs to gather intelligence at a demonstration and you've also got some nerve suggesting that the Red Shirt leaders are dangerous when you have 1,000 Government recruited thugs on the loose.

You seem to forget where you are.

In the hospital, someone would have checked his ID ... that someone would be a nurse. Last I checked, the Thai ID card doesn't have anything on it stating your political affiliations or your employment.

The Minister would have been told that someone at the protest had H1N1. So he passed on that information to the media. There was a correction later. Given that there was a report of H1N1, then he needed to make sure that the people were looked after. ie organising flu jabs. Not creating a panic. Just making sure it doesn't spread.

The early symptoms of H1N1 are the same as any flu. A sniffle. An ache. Not even bad enough to stay home. That's why it's dangerous.

The whole idea of a conspiracy theory to create panic is a bit far fetched.

And your suggestion that the reds had nothing to do with the violence last Songkran, and it was all just government infiltrators ... well, you had better check the aluminium foil over your windows, because the **government can still see you.**

Making it up as you go along again.

I know exactly where I am. I am in Thailand where as in most other countries H1N1 is a comunicable disease. The first things that the medical staff would have asked him would be the name of his employer and the address of his family. They would then have passed that information to - Guess who? - Why surprise surprise the Ministry of Health that's who. They even have a control room to monitor new cases.

He didn't correct anything. He said that a Red Shirt had H1N1 which he knew to be a lie. He went on to say that a number of journalists (covering the demonstrations) had also come down with flu-like symtoms which was another lie.

I know somebody who had H1N1 and I assure you that the symtoms, even early symptoms, are a lot more unpleasant than a sniffle and ache.

If you are saying that the Minister of Health told lies (confirmed by the press) for any other reason than to cause a panic and disrupt the demonstration what was it? I'd love to hear your explanation.

Selective Reading: I didn't say that the Red Shirts had nothing to do with the violence last Songkran I said that the Red Shirts said that they had been infiltrated and that it was the infiltrators that started the violence. In view of the fact that we now have proof that the Government has infiltrated the current demonstration and (according to Abhisit) has recruited 1000 "volunteers" (thugs) from the Ministry of the Interior are you saying that there is no way that the Government had similar volunteers infiltrated into the demonstration last Songkran? If so why?

You mean you can't even recall what you wrote? Your words, Termad, nobody elses:

Also, if you remember the extreme violence at the Victory Monument last Sonkrang you will also remember the the Red Shirts stated that they had been infiltrated and it was the infiltrators that started and carried out the violence.

Stop trying to downplay what you wrote by now stating they only infiltrated. Selected memory?

Edited March 31, 2010 by frodo

[termad]

My assumption that all volunteers would have a Health Check is based on experience dealing with Civil Servants and HR departments where all workers who are recruited to carry out duties involving physical exertion are given health checks. Of course you would now argue that all the 1000 "volunteers" thugs recruited by Abhisit are only used to gather intelligence and not to get involved in physical exertion (violence). But I remember last Songkrang when the Red Shirts said that the extreme violence at Victory Monument was the work of infiltrators, this was flatly denied by the Government. What are they going to say now, "We never infiltrate demonstrations with paid Government thugs?"

Physical exertion?? They are probably all sleeping on some chair somewhere, making a phone call every hour saying "yep, they're still here".

Have you seen any of these volunteers? Are any of them dressed in red? Are you on something?

Now you go from making it up as you go along to being childish or maybe it's just that you're extremely ill informed. The man whose picture you most probably carry in your wallet stated that he had recruited 1000 volunteers from the Ministry of the Interior - to reporters in front of TV cameras - at the start of the demonstrations. Does he also tell lies like the ones his Minister of Health has been caught telling?

[anotherpeter]

You mean you can't even recall what your wrote? You're words, Termad, nobody elses:

Also, if you remember the extreme violence at the Victory Monument last Sonkrang you will also remember the the Red Shirts stated that they had been infiltrated and it was the infiltrators that started and carried out the violence.

Stop trying to downplay what you wrote by now stating they only infiltrated. Selected memory?

Termad is right. Termad didn't actually say that it was infiltrators that caused the violence.

He implied it was infiltrators by using the statement that the red shirts said it was infiltrators.

It fits his conspiracy theory that the government is trying to panic the protestors by saying that a "protestor" had H1N1, when it was actually a government "volunteer" (thug - still don't get why you keep on with that termad). Making assumptions that the hospital takes note of your employer and pass that information directly to the MoH also fits his conspiracy.

[anotherpeter]

My assumption that all volunteers would have a Health Check is based on experience dealing with Civil Servants and HR departments where all workers who are recruited to carry out duties involving physical exertion are given health checks. Of course you would now argue that all the 1000 "volunteers" thugs recruited by Abhisit are only used to gather intelligence and not to get involved in physical exertion (violence). But I remember last Songkrang when the Red Shirts said that the extreme violence at Victory Monument was the work of infiltrators, this was flatly denied by the Government. What are they going to say now, "We never infiltrate demonstrations with paid Government thugs?"

Physical exertion?? They are probably all sleeping on some chair somewhere, making a phone call every hour saying "yep, they're still here".

Have you seen any of these volunteers? Are any of them dressed in red? Are you on something?

Now you go from making it up as you go along to being childish or maybe it's just that you're extremely ill informed. The man whose picture you most probably carry in your wallet stated that he had recruited 1000 volunteers from the Ministry of the Interior - to reporters in front of TV cameras - at the start of the demonstrations. Does he also tell lies like the ones his Minister of Health has been caught telling?

And where did he say that they would be doing physical exertion?

And where did I deny that there were volunteers?

[jdinasia]

My assumption that all volunteers would have a Health Check is based on experience dealing with Civil Servants and HR departments where all workers who are recruited to carry out duties involving physical exertion are given health checks. Of course you would now argue that all the 1000 "volunteers" thugs recruited by Abhisit are only used to gather intelligence and not to get involved in physical exertion (violence). But I remember last Songkrang when the Red Shirts said that the extreme violence at Victory Monument was the work of infiltrators, this was flatly denied by the Government. What are they going to say now, "We never infiltrate demonstrations with paid Government thugs?"

Physical exertion?? They are probably all sleeping on some chair somewhere, making a phone call every hour saying "yep, they're still here".

Have you seen any of these volunteers? Are any of them dressed in red? Are you on something?

Now you go from making it up as you go along to being childish or maybe it's just that you're extremely ill informed. The man whose picture you most probably carry in your wallet stated that he had recruited 1000 volunteers from the Ministry of the Interior - to reporters in front of TV cameras - at the start of the demonstrations. Does he also tell lies like the ones his Minister of Health has been caught telling?

I am sorry, I seem to have missed where he said that they were used to infiltrate the reds. Then again since any good conspiracy theory requires the abject faith in the evil of the other guy and the good will of the guy you support it absolutely follows that you must be right BTW --- the number of "volunteers" stated from the beginning is not 1000 ---- it was 30,000 military, 10,000 police, and 10,000 civilian volunteers. Do you not think that the reds would notice 10,000 infiltrators since they only had about 10,000 participants in the first 2 days of the rallies? Wait! Maybe all 10,000 at the rallies the first days were infiltrators!

http://www.pattayaone.net/national/15548/g...0-strong-force/

Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban on Thursday said that the deployment of 30,000 unarmed military, 10,000 police and 10,000 civilian volunteers to maintain order in the capital had already begun as soon as the Internal Security Act (ISA) took effect.

Quoted from this source since the other source can't be linked

[anotherpeter]

<snip>

I know somebody who had H1N1 and I assure you that the symtoms, even early symptoms, are a lot more unpleasant than a sniffle and ache.

<snip>

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/cold-a...ntid=100245124

Symptoms of H1N1 flu

The initial symptoms of this new flu have been similar to the symptoms of the regular flu.

Even at the hospital, they wouldn't have know if he had H1N1 straight away. And they probably wouldn't have notified the MoH immediatly. They get plenty of H1N1 infections now, that it isn't a national emergency if a new one is picked up.

Edited March 31, 2010 by anotherpeter

[animatic]

Seem the paranoia has hit a new high and a low nerve...

[yoshiwara]

My assumption that all volunteers would have a Health Check is based on experience dealing with Civil Servants and HR departments where all workers who are recruited to carry out duties involving physical exertion are given health checks. Of course you would now argue that all the 1000 "volunteers" thugs recruited by Abhisit are only used to gather intelligence and not to get involved in physical exertion (violence). But I remember last Songkrang when the Red Shirts said that the extreme violence at Victory Monument was the work of infiltrators, this was flatly denied by the Government. What are they going to say now, "We never infiltrate demonstrations with paid Government thugs?"

Physical exertion?? They are probably all sleeping on some chair somewhere, making a phone call every hour saying "yep, they're still here".

Have you seen any of these volunteers? Are any of them dressed in red? Are you on something?

Now you go from making it up as you go along to being childish or maybe it's just that you're extremely ill informed. The man whose picture you most probably carry in your wallet stated that he had recruited 1000 volunteers from the Ministry of the Interior - to reporters in front of TV cameras - at the start of the demonstrations. Does he also tell lies like the ones his Minister of Health has been caught telling?

One thing we can say for sure is that there is an unbroken umbilical cord between Thaksin and yourself.

Some forum contributors think there is a screw loose in the connection, but this may be going too far.

Thaksin apologists rarely go off on a complete tangent.

On the contrary, they have a mission to fulfil.

Thaksin has made 2 comments recently, which are interesting to say the least.

Firstly that it wasn't the reds undertaking the violence last Songkran

and secondly that the current government is riddled with unstable homosexuals.

Well, you are certainly making a game attempt to follow Thaksin's utterances re the violence.

And your fetishisation of HIV is just one step away from Thaksin's gay obsession.

Although you are being accused of being unstable, this is unfair.

An attack dog would be a fairer description of the positions held.

Good luck.

It is a thankless task.

Edited March 31, 2010 by yoshiwara

[Cayenne]

Termad .. those conspiracy theories of yours are getting more outrageous by the day Strange that your "paid government thugs" have not started any violence that you can prove particularly during the last three weeks. Your claim of knowledge about "paid government thugs" being health tested during a time-frame to show h1n1 --- well oulandish isn't the word I would use: ludicrous is.

The word you would use (just to be trendy now) is "weng". Such as:

There's a weng in our midst!

What a weng!

Weng to go, Termad!

Oh the list is endless...

Which is obviously untrue of the capacity of your brain.

Oh you got me there. My brain is still recovering from a bit of hangover from last night but on the bright side it does prevent me from being burdened with too many paranoid delusional fantasies. Now those will really wreck your day...