Thai Girl Friend And Not My Baby To Uk

[mr bilko]

Hello,

I have a Thai girl friend, she has a baby (5yr old) that isn’t mine, so here are my questions.

1. What are considered sufficient funds to support them?

You and your unmarried partner must show that you can support yourselves and any dependants without any help from public funds

2. What is suitable accommodation.

You and your unmarried partner must show that you have suitable accommodation which is owned or lived in only by you and your household, and where you and your dependants can live without any help from public funds

3. And the big one how do I demonstrate:

You must show that:

    * you plan to marry within a reasonable time (usually six months)

    * you plan to live together permanently after you are married

    * you have met each other before

I have emails going back 2 years and photos, but as the photos are not time stamped are they useless. I have phone call records made via the next, but these stopped when I found out I could call Thailand for 1p a minute. My BT phone bill now only shows the access number I call, not her mobile number.

And for the child.

I have also been to the UKvisa.gov web site and totally didn’t understand the child section.

The baby has no father’s name on the birth certificate and the mother has sole responsibility. But the father is German and is trying to get his name in the birth certificate but is unable to travel to Thailand to do it. If in the near future he were able to go to do it, he would go back to Germany and not stay in Thailand.

How would this affect the visa application of the child.

Other

She has travelled to europe before(but not UK), so she has travell stamps in her passport, would this help or hinder?

She has had various documents translated into English but do they need to be certified as being accurate and correct by lawyer or Thai equivalent.

What are the main reasons for failing applications, what sort of success/failure rates are there for thai laides coming to the UK.

For 'the scouser' or anybody else in the North Wales area

What the thai scene like in liverpool? Can thai groceries(ie chillie's etc) be bought anywhere?

Havnt been to liverpool for a couple of years, but when i did 'china town' had gone right down hill from what i remember and here would have been the first place to check out.

Finally

Sorry if these are question that have been gone over time and time again, but give up looking after nearly two hours searching.

Keep up the good work, and thank you very big for anybody that can help.

[the scouser]

mr bilko,

To take your questions in order:-

1. There is no defined minimum requirement. Generally speaking, if you are in employment this will be sufficient to satisfy this criterion. If you are not working then you would have to show that you have access to funds from a different source; e.g. savings or a family member.

2. You should have one bedroom that is for the exclusive use of you and your wife (and one for the lad, too). This can be in your own house, a rented house, or a shared house.

3. You can't actively prove that you intend to get married within the allotted time, so, normally, a statement to this effect is sufficient, although it does help if you have a rough plan of the chronology which can be given to the visa officer. Your intention to live together will be judged, amongst other things, by the strength of your relationship, your fiancée's knowledge of you, the extent to which you've communicated when apart, how you communicate (Thai or English), and the length of time you've actually spent in each other's company. Photos establish that you've met.

Don't worry about the photos not being date stamped. They should still be submitted, as should the e-mails and phone bills. Unless the visa officer has reason to suspect otherwise, he/she must accept that the access numbers on the phone bill are, indeed, calls to your g/f.

In order to get the visa for the child, your fiancée has to satisfy the visa officer of exactly the same criteria as for her own with the exception that she must prove that she's had sole responsibility for the boy's care. To this end, I would not mention, unless asked, either about the German father attempting to enter his name on the birth cert., or that the child may go to Germany.

Your g/f's previous travels could be both a help and a hindrance. They are positive if they show that she abided by the terms of the visas but in relation to a fiancée application, the visa officer may infer from them that she is shopping around for a European husabnd and that, consequently, it can't be accepted that she intends to permanently live with you. In this situation, you have to outweigh any such belief by convincing the visa officer of the genuine nature of your relationship.

In Liverpool the "best" oriental supermarket is Hondo which is on Upper Duke Street (on the periphery of Chinatown - opposite the big Chinese archway). This is good for staple stuff but their supply of fresh veggies seems to be eratic and it's a bit hit and miss in terms of whether you get there at the right time. Failing that, my wife and I go to Wing Yip in Manchester.

Cheers,

Scouse.

[mr bilko]

Would it be best if she lost her passport and obtained a clean one?

Thank you very much for your help.

Have you stopped celebrating yet after you won the football.

She owns about 5 rice fields, and another couple of plots of land in the village suiatable to build houses on, i hope she can come and live over here till i retire so we can move back to her village, but 20 years is along way off. And if she gets refused i might have to consider moving to thailand.

[the scouser]

My wife has today bought me a rather gaudy t-shirt off a dodgy market stall in Liverpool, celebrating the Reds' triumph. I've had to feign delight and wear the bloody thing. The bad news is she's bought 2, so I think we'll be sending one to my German mate as punishment.

To matters in hand. Losing your g/f's passport will get her a clean one but it may also contain an endorsement to the effect that it replaces a previous one which has been reported lost/stolen. If this is so, it would raise more concerns than presenting the original document.

Scouse.

[bkk_mike]

Would it be best if she lost her passport and obtained a clean one?

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NO!!!

My wife tried that to cover an overstay in the UK. (she was working illegally at a restaurant in the UK when we met - stayed in the UK for 2½ years on a 6 month visa).

The fact that her passport was no longer the same one she'd had previously, and which their records showed wouldn't have expired made the ECO rather suspicious. (she got the visa in the end, but only after me explaining about the overstay, and that we only met because of the overstay she was trying to hide.)

You might be OK if your wife never went to the UK or Ireland before, as the Schengen countries share information, but not sure how much they share with non-Schengen countries.

[mrbojangles]

Hi Mr Bilko,

Sorry can't help you with your predicament as I am also in one which is frustrating the ###### out of me. However, i notice that you say you are calling Thailand at 1p per minute. Can you give me the information? I am currently calling through JoyTelecom (via an access number) but this is at 8p per minute.

[JoJo]

One question, if she needs your help to get a visa to UK (despite owning 5 plots of land and what have you), how can she show she can support this child of hers when she is there? Unless you are applying a visa for this child too.......

Make sure it is worth your while though......German father getting into the pic is a huge warning sign. Ever question why German dude did not insist on his name in BC before and wants it in now.....obv this father cares about the child but for some reason....... not enough to either marry the mum or bring her over?

Just raising some questions, no offence meant by it.

Good luck

[GuestHouse]

My response here relates specifically to the Child's Permission to Travel.

There are two problems that you might face.

Firstly, the Hague Convention, which provides for the protection of children against Human Trafficking requires that children have the permission of both parent's to travel regardless of who has custody.

In practice the Clearing Officer can refuse a visa for the child simply because no father can be found to give permission to travel.

You might ordinarily get away with this by, for example claiming that the father is dead and hence can't give permission - your g/f would have to make a sworn statement to that effect and come up with paperwork to support the claim, death certs etc- therein lies your second problem.

If the natural father finds out that your g/f is planning to take his child to the UK (Across any international border) he can throw a real spanner in the works by contacting the embassy and requesting a refusal of visa pending a judicial ruling.

It gets worse if a false statement has been made and you have moved to the UK with the child - he might then claim trafficking of his child and the UK Government would almost certainly return the child to Thailand.

The single biggest missconception about this is the belief that because the father's name is not in the birth certificate he has no right to refuse permission. The fact is the embassy will almost certainly refuse a visa for a child even if there is a wiff of a suspicion that there is no second parent permission to travel.

[mr bilko]

Mrbojangles

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JOJO

Thanks very much for your concern. She needs my help to come over here because i want to marry her. And without my help she can't get the visa.

He wants her to move to germany, but is having none of it. She shows me all of her e-mails from him. He was only staying short term in thailand with no prospect of moving back.

Maybe i could get stung, but have been stung by british girls, so nothing new there.

[JoJo]

bilko.......just being concerned as many of my friends have been stung.

I do wish you all the best, pls take into consideration Guesthouse's advice. I think it is quite valid.

He wants her to move to germany, but is having none of it.

None of what?? Why does he want his name in the child's bc then?

Word of advice, just lose what you can afford to lose, nothing more.