Top Army, Navy Units Readied For Red-Shirts Dispersal

[jcbangkok]

I am confused about those claiming YouTube videos showing Red Shirts dead or beaten are being blocked. I am in BKK and can easily find them ... just click here.

Some are very disturbing to watch including one dead man being put up for display without the top of his head.

Sad to say but responses by police and military to people who they perceive to threaten (or hit, shoot and bomb) them are often very brutal all across the globe.

[monkfish]

Those are the tame videos or at least got to far to stop there are videos that have been blocked and lead you to the w3.mict.co.th website

Edited April 19, 2010 by monkfish

[johncitizen]

@ jcbangkok

No, I checked and it isn't there. The whole thing is filmed from behind a green mesh gate. I posted it and several others to Political Prisoners in Thailand when I found them, but they were deleted within a matter of hours.

[cheguevara]

Maybe the "men in black" that were allegedly seen shooting civilians were Surayud's men?

During Bloody May, the violent crackdown 1992 on anti-government protestors, Surayud's men were seen shooting protesters and dragging them through the bloody lobby of the Royal Hotel.

Or even the yellow PAD?

Edited April 19, 2010 by cheguevara

[Publicus]

^and when the army troops turn on each other then what?

Although a possibility, that is a very unlikely scenario. Soldiers are taught not to think and to simply follow orders. Seeing the soldiers deployed on numerous occasions over the last month, I can tell you without much doubt they were strongly reminded of this before being deployed to the Silom area. It was VERY clear these guys were not going to be shaking hands with the Reds or for that matter giving an inch.

I think for the military to divide you would need key military leaders to be divided and each have followers that are loyal to that leader. For them to be this loyal to a commander would mean they would have to be career type military folks. I just don't see the ranks putting a renegade commander's wishes above their duty but then again this is Thailand and not really sure how much mind molding they do of these soldiers.

It was clear previously that their heart's were not into fighting other Thais but as I said, it looks like those days are over and that they were reminded that "they" only have each other and are duty bound to obey their legal orders.

As I've noted many times, there are elite units of the army which over decades and generationally always are screened and specially trained to be fiercely loyal. These same select units, by name/number and the generational turnover of commanders and chain of command are the units whose officers of all ranks and soldiers always are called on to do the dirty work. The army as a whole are bystanders in uniform who remain in the background while the small number of select elite loyalist units, their officers from top to bottom, the select NCO's and the screened and specially trained rank and file soldiers do whatever is necessary to assert control over a situation. Eilte units, specially selected commanders and officers, nco's and rank and file, specially screened and fiercely loyalist troops. Whatever is necessary.

[Skywalker69]

Abhisit the stubborn mule needs to dissolve parliament before this gets nasty.

Nasty? 24 dead and 800 wounded isn't nasty?

The reds wanted violence at the very start. Everything they do is aimed at starting violence.

The reds should start negotiating before this gets nasty.

Good point, thanks!

[jefro]

Maybe the "men in black" that were allegedly seen shooting civilians were Surayud's men?

During Bloody May, the violent crackdown 1992 on anti-government protestors, Surayud's men were seen shooting protesters and dragging them through the bloody lobby of the Royal Hotel.

Or even the yellow PAD?

Golf Clubs ??

[LuckyFive8888]

Golf Clubs ??

that's fine, what about water tubing?

Edited April 19, 2010 by LuckyFive8888

[Roadman]

Maybe the "men in black" that were allegedly seen shooting civilians were Surayud's men?

During Bloody May, the violent crackdown 1992 on anti-government protestors, Surayud's men were seen shooting protesters and dragging them through the bloody lobby of the Royal Hotel.

Or even the yellow PAD?

Yellow Pads mobsters? I don't think so and at times the only thing you can run on after reading and thinking on all the options is your gut knowing of right and wrong, from been there done that, or seen this before...another thai soapie. Except sadly in this one the blood will be real freshly pumped, and plenty of for all. The finger of who is pointed at the Red leadership with the "freedom" the goons were given to move through the Reds ranks.

The photo is when? The last day or so? Likely looking team...if it can be kept to Reds vs Yellows with wooden battons and shields, no knifes or guns or the Army shoots you from above then the body count numbers could be kept low. Then the Army can kick both their <deleted> and arrest who they need to while they are busy at each other.

Edited April 19, 2010 by Roadman

[Publicus]

Abhisit the stubborn mule needs to dissolve parliament before this gets nasty.

Nasty? 24 dead and 800 wounded isn't nasty?

The reds wanted violence at the very start. Everything they do is aimed at starting violence.

The reds should start negotiating before this gets nasty.

Good point, thanks!

Indeed.

[OzMick]

Please take a look at these photos if you have time. They are among the best I have seen from the Rajprasong protest so far and I cannot recommend them enough.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ratchaprasong/

You will notice the Reds have put up an enormous shadecloth over the entire area to protect against government snipers.

Or maybe even to block out some of the sunlight? Is it 3 star rated?

[Jerrytheyoung]

Thai and French love Freedom these are 2 historical photos of French Barricades for my Thai Friends

La Commune de Paris -1871- In front of City Hall

Liberation of Paris -August 1944- Ahead of allied forces - Resistance fights the Nazis

Edited April 19, 2010 by Jerrytheyoung

[OzMick]

Maybe the "men in black" that were allegedly seen shooting civilians were Surayud's men?

During Bloody May, the violent crackdown 1992 on anti-government protestors, Surayud's men were seen shooting protesters and dragging them through the bloody lobby of the Royal Hotel.

Or even the yellow PAD?

Sure, it could be Sarayud's thugs re-formed after 18 years, or the really bad boys pictured, or a group of backpackers who packed their assault rifles, or maybe even aliens beamed down from space for a bit of biffo. I'd rate the total probability of that lot at about 1% or less.

99% would say that it was a red shirt planned response to any attempt to move them. And to get sympathy, there has to be more protesters hurt/killed than army, how do you think they planned to ensure that?

[OzMick]

Btw. keep in mind these pics were taken toward the middle of the day, when the crowds are at their lowest point. They usually peak at around 8pm as the Bangkok people finish work, but since the beginning of the second Army deployment several thousand more Reds have been deployed from the North to reinforce the protesters. If there is a crackdown however, it will be extremely bloody, as this time troops number in their thousands and have been armed from the get-go.

Regarding transparency and evidence- if the Government truly wished for a transparent and independent investigation they should have handed it over to an international body. Instead, they have chosen the DSI, which was set up by the coup makers and is staffed by current members of CAPO. That is about as ridiculous as asking Wall Street giants to "regulate themselves."

There can be no transparency when the Government controls the media and the internet, forcing news stations to broadcast images they like, and shutting down/blocking footage they find too inconvenient (or as they cutely term it, "distorting of the facts.") I have been fortunate enough to see several videos before they were discovered and disposed of by the MICT.

One of the most disturbing of them was filmed on Khao San Rd. by a backpacker standing behind the locked gates of a guesthouse, obviously trying to hide him/herself from view. It showed 10 or 15 soldiers beating the crap out of a Red Shirt protester lying on the ground. He had no weapons, and they all had truncheons. They were taking turns hitting him over the head, shoulders and back while he cowered and begged them to stop. Occasionally, one of them would take a running kick at his head or stamp on him while they stood over him. They only stopped when an ambulance arrived, and wandered away, doing everything but putting their hands in their pockets and whistling in their attempt to pretend they had nothing to do with it. It was one of the purest expressions of hatred and brutality I have seen and sickened me even more than the footage of protesters getting shot in the head.

Thankfully, the Red Shirts have collected hard copies of most of the footage in existence and you can see it all by wandering around the protests and checking out some of the amateur museums they have set up.

Perhaps they were a little angry after having his mates shoot the crap out of them and their mates. Can you imagine how frustrating, and even terrifying, it is to have people shooting at you when your weapon is a truncheon? Do you know what that amount of adrenaline pumping through your body does to your mind? Send them to anger management classes, maybe they can be bored to death.

Edited April 19, 2010 by OzMick

[geriatrickid]

As I've noted many times, there are elite units of the army which over decades and generationally always are screened and specially trained to be fiercely loyal. These same select units, by name/number and the generational turnover of commanders and chain of command are the units whose officers of all ranks and soldiers always are called on to do the dirty work. The army as a whole are bystanders in uniform who remain in the background while the small number of select elite loyalist units, their officers from top to bottom, the select NCO's and the screened and specially trained rank and file soldiers do whatever is necessary to assert control over a situation. Eilte units, specially selected commanders and officers, nco's and rank and file, specially screened and fiercely loyalist troops. Whatever is necessary.

I disagree somewhat. It is all based upon the loyalty to the specific commander and who the classmates are. I have already explained this in another thread. The units being deployed now are all related to the 1st Army RDF which includes the Royal Guards. The Roya Guards are Prem's. Gen. Anapung served in the Royal Guards. The 1st was his army when he participated in the coup and that is the only army he can count on. The 3rd while a coup participant may be shaky if there is no opportunity for personal advancement for its officers.

Thai and French love Freedom these are 2 historical photos of French Barricades for my Thai Friends

La Commune de Paris -1871- In front of City Hall

Liberation of Paris -August 1944- Ahead of allied forces - Resistance fights the Nazis

To be more accurate, instead of Resistance please use its major components: Communists, Socialists, Jews and secularists from the intellectual community. I mention this detail because a great many of TVF's respondents have a profound hatred of these people. And nothing hurts like the truth.

Got to love the strategy that says when it doubt call everyone a commie and use it to justify oppression. One would think that the lessons of Indochina/ S.E. Asia would have been appreciated by now, but I guess the lure of carpet bombing and napalm still has a seductive hold on some.

[Thai at Heart]

As I've noted many times, there are elite units of the army which over decades and generationally always are screened and specially trained to be fiercely loyal. These same select units, by name/number and the generational turnover of commanders and chain of command are the units whose officers of all ranks and soldiers always are called on to do the dirty work. The army as a whole are bystanders in uniform who remain in the background while the small number of select elite loyalist units, their officers from top to bottom, the select NCO's and the screened and specially trained rank and file soldiers do whatever is necessary to assert control over a situation. Eilte units, specially selected commanders and officers, nco's and rank and file, specially screened and fiercely loyalist troops. Whatever is necessary.

I disagree somewhat. It is all based upon the loyalty to the specific commander and who the classmates are. I have already explained this in another thread. The units being deployed now are all related to the 1st Army RDF which includes the Royal Guards. The Roya Guards are Prem's. Gen. Anapung served in the Royal Guards. The 1st was his army when he participated in the coup and that is the only army he can count on. The 3rd while a coup participant may be shaky if there is no opportunity for personal advancement for its officers.

Thai and French love Freedom these are 2 historical photos of French Barricades for my Thai Friends

La Commune de Paris -1871- In front of City Hall

Liberation of Paris -August 1944- Ahead of allied forces - Resistance fights the Nazis

To be more accurate, instead of Resistance please use its major components: Communists, Socialists, Jews and secularists from the intellectual community. I mention this detail because a great many of TVF's respondents have a profound hatred of these people. And nothing hurts like the truth.

Got to love the strategy that says when it doubt call everyone a commie and use it to justify oppression. One would think that the lessons of Indochina/ S.E. Asia would have been appreciated by now, but I guess the lure of carpet bombing and napalm still has a seductive hold on some.

Straight out of the old school playbook. No one can defend a communist can they? It's almost as bad as "liberal", or the new latest fangled version "progressive".

[yoshiwara]

To be more accurate, instead of Resistance please use its major components: Communists, Socialists, Jews and secularists from the intellectual community. I mention this detail because a great many of TVF's respondents have a profound hatred of these people. And nothing hurts like the truth.

Got to love the strategy that says when it doubt call everyone a commie and use it to justify oppression. One would think that the lessons of Indochina/ S.E. Asia would have been appreciated by now, but I guess the lure of carpet bombing and napalm still has a seductive hold on some.

Maybe you would like to add to your list gays.

We know for sure that in your own words the one one person who has 'a profound hatred of these people' is your hero Thaksin.

Again in your own words 'nothing hurts like the truth'.

Thaksin is a bigot.

And you support him.

No need for you to smear Thaksin's opponents.

When you have got egg all over your face.

[Siam Simon]

To be more accurate, instead of Resistance please use its major components: Communists, Socialists, Jews and secularists from the intellectual community. I mention this detail because a great many of TVF's respondents have a profound hatred of these people. And nothing hurts like the truth.

Got to love the strategy that says when it doubt call everyone a commie and use it to justify oppression. One would think that the lessons of Indochina/ S.E. Asia would have been appreciated by now, but I guess the lure of carpet bombing and napalm still has a seductive hold on some.

Maybe you would like to add to your list gays.

We know for sure that in your own words the one one person who has 'a profound hatred of these people' is your hero Thaksin.

Again in your own words 'nothing hurts like the truth'.

Thaksin is a bigot.

And you support him.

No need for you to smear Thaksin's opponents.

When you have got egg all over your face.

Wot! No "Thaksin propagandist"? You're slacking.

[Thai at Heart]

Seems Thailand's reputation is growing globally. Front page of the Torygraph in the UK, but probably only because Patpong was in the pictures.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegal...t-district.html

In this case, no news would be better news I guess. Some truly classic pictures.

[ChiangMaiFun]

To be more accurate, instead of Resistance please use its major components: Communists, Socialists, Jews and secularists from the intellectual community. I mention this detail because a great many of TVF's respondents have a profound hatred of these people. And nothing hurts like the truth.

Got to love the strategy that says when it doubt call everyone a commie and use it to justify oppression. One would think that the lessons of Indochina/ S.E. Asia would have been appreciated by now, but I guess the lure of carpet bombing and napalm still has a seductive hold on some.

Maybe you would like to add to your list gays.

We know for sure that in your own words the one one person who has 'a profound hatred of these people' is your hero Thaksin.

Again in your own words 'nothing hurts like the truth'.

Thaksin is a bigot.

And you support him.

No need for you to smear Thaksin's opponents.

When you have got egg all over your face.

you keep on about Gays - ok your Gay - live with it we don't care - let's get back on topic

[selftaopath]

Forgive me if I'm mistaken.

But I thought the whole point of Special Operations deployments was that you don't tell the other side you're coming

Thai Army and Police are increasingly view for what they really are i.e. a joke. They could not protect a fruit stand let alone a country. Where is their "face"?????? Do these institutions have any pride at ALL??? What are they paid for???? Oh I forgot, decisions in Lack of Sanctions (LOS), are based on who will receive favors and not for what one can do/accomplish.

I hope the world really gets to understand Thailand, because then - maybe - the Thai people will get some sort of representation/protection/ stability.

[vicco]

It's true that the publicized images of these weeks of drama – such as the ubiquitous red glow cast by the demonstrators and reflected in the windows of the Bangkok elite's luxury outlets – can seem to confirm the picture of a popular insurgency by Thailand's rural poor against its urban rich. But it is so much more interesting and complicated than that. For as the protests have continued, the links of the red protestors with Thaksin Shinawatra have become more and more irrelevant. Instead, what has emerged are new forms and actors of politics in Thailand.

(Copied over from the Amnesty International site)

Funny how many of us alleged "Thaksin apologists" have been stating this for over a month but the hysterical anti-Thaksin cheerleading group just can't seem to get it. Of course Amnesty International could be Thaksin apologists too...even though they have been quoted many times by the anti-Thaksin side when it suits them. For many it seems that calling Thaksin nasty names is about the only thing they have to write about....and as others have said over and over (myself included) Thaksin is not the real issue. I do of course recognize that name calling is much easier than trying to understand what this is really all about. After all the hoards were storming the Bastille while the aristocrats still sat around wondering what was troubling the peasants. I feel sure that the French understand this problem much better than the British, which is strange because the British have been kicked out of enough countries to know what happens when you piss off the people enough...yet they dominate this forum with the same quaint old arguments about how the poor stupid country folk really don't know what they want. Only blue blooded, properly bred people who have gone to the right schools and speak with the proper accents really know how to govern a country...and if those stupid peasants kick up too much fuss...shoot the bastards.

Sorry but that never did turn out well....look how the empire has shrunk and now the peasants are in charge in most of places you used to occupy. Queen Victoria would not be amused.

The peasantry as a class are in charge of nowhere.

Unfortunately you do not know the difference between the peasantry as a class and peasantry as a patronising label you use together with your fellow red apologists.

In short you have no understanding of class at all.

You might also want to look at the editorial of the WSJ of April 15th.

In it Salman Rushdie said of Amnesty International

"Amnesty...deserve our contempt"

Now why was that?

Because Amnesty have been giving cover to a Mr Begg who is an apologist for the Taliban.

Amnesty do some good work.

the WSJ express themselves clearly.

Neither are IMHO correct all the time.

However red apologists suddenly wet themselves when they get any international support,

mostly let it be said when the key role of chief finance master Thaksin is not understood.

You thought you had found a diamond, but as usual anything the reds produce is tainted by the Thaksin imperative.

No understanding.

No research.

Second rate.

Well done Vic.

And you have just demonstrated that you are incapable of responding to anything without this endless Thaksin apologist rant. Give us a break and try something else will you?

Do you seriously think that I used the term "peasant" in the context you describe? Do you think that I was referring to Americans, Indians (as in India) Malaya, Australia, and dozens of other countries that the the British once occupied as "peasants" Now you are quoting Salman Rusdie in the frigging Wall St.Journal to discredit Amnesty Int. Like I said you guys are quick to quote Amnesty when they have nasty things to say about Mr T....oh YES....but now they have published a few lines that don't fit in with your endless ranting and raving so suddenly they have no currency? No they are not correct all the time as you say---only when they are saying things that fit in with your arguments are they "correct' I suppose. You are so fond of telling others that they understand nothing ---only you it seems understand class, the meaning of peasantry, the meaning of life...welcome to Monty Python. It's not just Amnesty Int that has made the kind of statement that has set you off. Many others on this forum have attempted to say the same thing for a long time, and explain why they are saying it, but all we ever get back is "another Thaksin/Red apologist"....in my own case the view is based on actual discussions with actual UDD supporters.. I could not care less about Thaksin so I make no apologies for him. .Have you ever met a real UDD supporter, or do you make all your judgments based on the political theater you watch on television. Nice to know you think Am Int do some good work....just not good work if they publish something that might help dull down the "Thaksin apologist" rhetoric and give some credence to the views held by those of us who are not obsessed with this man and his importance to the UDD movement. They will be quite happy to take advantage of any financial support he provides and will listen attentively to any inspirational speeches he may make, but that does not mean that the majority of them want him to come back and run the country. One more time just for you: Thaksin is NOT the real issue, it goes far beyond him but it seems that such a simple idea is beyond the comprehension of people who can not see the wood for the trees.

You protesteth too much.

The old Communist Parties used to have a category of supporter called Fellow Travellers.

Stalin referred to them as Useful Fools.

Looks like you are in that club for Thaksin.

If you quack like a duck.

then you are a duck.

Quack away.

Really, what is the point of anyone trying to respond to you? Like many others on TV I won't bother any more. You have absolutely nothing useful to say. Just petty insults which contribute nothing useful to the debate.....actually a duck would likely be more interesting...being as you bring up the subject.

[tonywebster]

vicco

but you may as well bang your head against a brick wall mate, these yellows are brainwashed, an insult they are happy to throw at people that don't buy the government propaganda.

[Ricardo]

you keep on about Gays - ok your Gay - live with it we don't care - let's get back on topic

But Thaksin, and the bigots of Rak-CM-51 do care, so when are you guys going to start standing-up for peoples' human-rights, or don't they have any place in 'true-democracy' ?

On topic, the month-long violent-campaign has made its point, there is a State-of-Emergency and the military are getting ready to crack heads, so when will the red-shirt leaders declare 'victory' and send the innocents home, to avoid further bloodshed ? How many peoples' deaths, do they want on their hands, before they return to negotiation and political-solutions again ?

[geriatrickid]

Maybe you would like to add to your list gays.

We know for sure that in your own words the one one person who has 'a profound hatred of these people' is your hero Thaksin.

Again in your own words 'nothing hurts like the truth'.

Thaksin is a bigot.

And you support him.

No need for you to smear Thaksin's opponents.

When you have got egg all over your face.

What do gays have to do with this? Is this one of your usual attempts to raise a canard because you have nothing intelligent to offer? Are you refering to the incorrect translation of Mr. Thaksin's comments that were taken out of context?

Please listen to the statement in Thai. Mr. Thaksin commented on the over abundance of people wearing purple that surround PM Abhisit. Purple can have several meanings in Thailand. Yes, he did express concern at the mental instability of some of these people. Considering the complete breakdown in the PM's office and the inability to cope with the stress of recent events, it seems that Thaksin wasn't so far off the mark now, was he?

Although I may not approve of Mr. Thaksin's comments if they were directed at a specific community, the comments are tame by Thai standards. Does he hate gays, I don't think so. During all the time that Thaksin was in office he did not openly discriminate against gays. Under Thaksin's administration there was more money spent on gay related health and social issues than there has been under the current Abhisit administration. Actions speak louder than words and I defy you to list any specific discriminatory actions Thaksin took during his time in office.

Bear in mind, that Thaksin is of a different generation. His pre-cadet classmates, some of whom are his opponents now and serve PM Abhisit all share similar views since they were cut from the same cloth. I think you will find that people his age no matter the political belief share a similar outlook and have tendancy to make politically incorrect statements. What counts is what they do and have done. His is a generation that still considers mental illness a sign of weakness. It is unfortunate, but sadly a great many people in Thailand think like that, including senior health officials. This is attributable to there not having been sensitization campaigns as there have been in occidental nations.

You are going to have to try harder. Perhaps you may wish to stick to hurling petty insults, as you may have better results.

[animatic]

To be more accurate, instead of Resistance please use its major components: Communists, Socialists, Jews and secularists from the intellectual community. I mention this detail because a great many of TVF's respondents have a profound hatred of these people. And nothing hurts like the truth.

Got to love the strategy that says when it doubt call everyone a commie and use it to justify oppression. One would think that the lessons of Indochina/ S.E. Asia would have been appreciated by now, but I guess the lure of carpet bombing and napalm still has a seductive hold on some.

Maybe you would like to add to your list gays.

We know for sure that in your own words the one one person who has 'a profound hatred of these people' is your hero Thaksin.

Again in your own words 'nothing hurts like the truth'.

Thaksin is a bigot.

And you support him.

No need for you to smear Thaksin's opponents.

When you have got egg all over your face.

He's sure showing his age here.

Old school meets pre-school. 2nd childhood maybe.

"...because a great many of TVF's respondents have a profound hatred of these people."

My how the hyperbole flies....

[ChiangMaiFun]

vicco

but you may as well bang your head against a brick wall mate, these yellows are brainwashed, an insult they are happy to throw at people that don't buy the government propaganda.

Exactly... but don't give up posting as it adds balance to the, mainly, yellow threads - I take there comments largely with a 'pinch of salt' and just carry on putting the other side - have you noticed the yellows normally insult and rant? and the red sympathisers are more polite and calm? what does that tell you?

[bkkjames]

vicco

but you may as well bang your head against a brick wall mate, these yellows are brainwashed, an insult they are happy to throw at people that don't buy the government propaganda.

Exactly... but don't give up posting as it adds balance to the, mainly, yellow threads - I take there comments largely with a 'pinch of salt' and just carry on putting the other side - have you noticed the yellows normally insult and rant? and the red sympathisers are more polite and calm? what does that tell you?

It tells me you have too much time on your hands mate.

[tonywebster]

vicco

but you may as well bang your head against a brick wall mate, these yellows are brainwashed, an insult they are happy to throw at people that don't buy the government propaganda.

Exactly... but don't give up posting as it adds balance to the, mainly, yellow threads - I take there comments largely with a 'pinch of salt' and just carry on putting the other side - have you noticed the yellows normally insult and rant? and the red sympathisers are more polite and calm? what does that tell you?

I pointed this out yesterday but of course the yellows responded by denying this while abusing me at the same time

I get the impression that most of the yellows on here are not as clever or important as they wish and this leads to frustration when the more intelligent un-brainwashed people point out they are talking garbage. I will get a response to this post ow talking about the French or Chairman Mao or Vietnam, or left over weapons from Korea, in fact they will respond with anything that is not relevant.

[ChiangMaiFun]

vicco

but you may as well bang your head against a brick wall mate, these yellows are brainwashed, an insult they are happy to throw at people that don't buy the government propaganda.

Exactly... but don't give up posting as it adds balance to the, mainly, yellow threads - I take there comments largely with a 'pinch of salt' and just carry on putting the other side - have you noticed the yellows normally insult and rant? and the red sympathisers are more polite and calm? what does that tell you?

I pointed this out yesterday but of course the yellows responded by denying this while abusing me at the same time

I get the impression that most of the yellows on here are not as clever or important as they wish and this leads to frustration when the more intelligent un-brainwashed people point out they are talking garbage. I will get a response to this post ow talking about the French or Chairman Mao or Vietnam, or left over weapons from Korea, in fact they will respond with anything that is not relevant.

Well - there is a hard core of 4/5 yellow posters - I don't mind a good argument but there abusive language does irritate me sometimes and I have hit the 'report' button occasionally. I sometimes had a go back but was warned for using the word 'dunce' - strange how the yellows seem to carry on and on insulting and nothing 'seems' to be done - I get called 'Thaksin apologist', 'Red Propagandist', Red supporter, 'I quack like a duck', 'talk out of my arse' and worse by these intelligent yellow fellows frequently – the thing is people would take more notice of their arguments if they stopped this behaviour.