Red-Shirts To Intensify Pressure

[scorecard]

Do a search on "Chiang Mai gay parade".

There was a demo by crazy red protestors (who I don't agree with) - no beatings - no killings - I live here and trust me it was blown out of all proportion. To say in a blanket way 'reds in CM kill and beat farmers and gays' is just NOT TRUE - to say there are some nutcases who hold views against gays is CORRECT - they are everywhere not just here - Please try and be FAIR.

funny, a lot of posters live in cm - & rare are the ones who agree with your perception.

i live in red rural country-side. as i've stated again & again i understand their grievances. but, to your surprise, i _see_ abhisit government actually implementing policies to ease these grievances.

anyhow, "chiang mai rak 51" is a group of thugs.

first you state: "no, no-one ever killed". posters give you a link. you just ignore.

i want get into it: do your own research, plenty of material available online.

one last thing: day abhisit came to cm, last year, to announce gov policy & investment plans for "rose of the north"... there had been a guy, a well-known radio moderator, who incited people. he was arrested at airport with a gun in his car. never heard about that, right?

later that day, there were scuffles at convention center. red shirts trying to break through security lines.

later that day, during night time, riots occured when red shirts attacked police station.

etc etc etc

i forgot: you ever heard of the "don't buy yellow" campaign? intimidation of shop-owners? etc etc etc

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funny, _you_ ask for "fairness" ;-)

Keep us updated M8.

Cheers, Hummy

Nice post, I had forgotten some of thos incidents, thanks for refreshing my memory.

[dobadoy]

Do a search on "Chiang Mai gay parade".

There was a demo by crazy red protestors (who I don't agree with) - no beatings - no killings - I live here and trust me it was blown out of all proportion. To say in a blanket way 'reds in CM kill and beat farmers and gays' is just NOT TRUE - to say there are some nutcases who hold views against gays is CORRECT - they are everywhere not just here - Please try and be FAIR.

funny, a lot of posters live in cm - & rare are the ones who agree with your perception.

i live in red rural country-side. as i've stated again & again i understand their grievances. but, to your surprise, i _see_ abhisit government actually implementing policies to ease these grievances.

anyhow, "chiang mai rak 51" is a group of thugs.

first you state: "no, no-one ever killed". posters give you a link. you just ignore.

i want get into it: do your own research, plenty of material available online.

one last thing: day abhisit came to cm, last year, to announce gov policy & investment plans for "rose of the north"... there had been a guy, a well-known radio moderator, who incited people. he was arrested at airport with a gun in his car. never heard about that, right?

later that day, there were scuffles at convention center. red shirts trying to break through security lines.

later that day, during night time, riots occured when red shirts attacked police station.

etc etc etc

i forgot: you ever heard of the "don't buy yellow" campaign? intimidation of shop-owners? etc etc etc

-

funny, _you_ ask for "fairness" ;-)

Thanks commons - glad to see the reality of red shirt intimidation being brought to light. Many on this forum who support reds either don't know it or for some blind reason want to pretend it doesn't exist.

Thans also for pointing out that Abhisit has been trying to implement policies for the less well-off, including the oft un-mentioned fact that he has increased free-schooling for the entire curriculum up to M6.

Also, for you 'reds are peaceloving protesters' bunch, note the title of the other thread going on here 'Reds rule out talks' - what exactly are they doing to reach a compromise? I see compromise on the part of the gov't to the point of weakness, and then you call them 'murderers'. I don't know what drive such blind stupidity.

Edited April 21, 2010 by dobadoy

[scorecard]

Do a search on "Chiang Mai gay parade".

There was a demo by crazy red protestors (who I don't agree with) - no beatings - no killings - I live here and trust me it was blown out of all proportion. To say in a blanket way 'reds in CM kill and beat farmers and gays' is just NOT TRUE - to say there are some nutcases who hold views against gays is CORRECT - they are everywhere not just here - Please try and be FAIR.

funny, a lot of posters live in cm - & rare are the ones who agree with your perception.

i live in red rural country-side. as i've stated again & again i understand their grievances. but, to your surprise, i _see_ abhisit government actually implementing policies to ease these grievances.

anyhow, "chiang mai rak 51" is a group of thugs.

first you state: "no, no-one ever killed". posters give you a link. you just ignore.

i want get into it: do your own research, plenty of material available online.

one last thing: day abhisit came to cm, last year, to announce gov policy & investment plans for "rose of the north"... there had been a guy, a well-known radio moderator, who incited people. he was arrested at airport with a gun in his car. never heard about that, right?

later that day, there were scuffles at convention center. red shirts trying to break through security lines.

later that day, during night time, riots occured when red shirts attacked police station.

etc etc etc

i forgot: you ever heard of the "don't buy yellow" campaign? intimidation of shop-owners? etc etc etc

-

funny, _you_ ask for "fairness" ;-)

well that's true... but being on the 'majority' side has never bothered me - I say it as I find it. I suspect that we agree on many things (anti-violence etc.) but I find many farang posters 'naturally' like Abhisit because he was educated in England and speaks perfect English and therefore there is a 'natural' empathy. I am for the respressed and undertrod - anyone who helps those gets my support - I hate all this red vs. yellow - and I have grave concerns about the system that allows this mayhem.

I doubt that's true.

I suspect those farang who like Abhisit have done a good analysis of the whole situation and the long-term history and can see clearly that Abhisit is level headed, capable, sincere and does clearly see the urgent need for change and (as already mentioned) he's already implemented policies etc to work towards a more equitable picture for all Thais. (Structured change, not occasional hand-outs (read vote buyers).

I would agree that Abhisits exposure to the bigger world is probably to his advantage and good for Thailand.

I too am for the repressed (I was a poor kid and luckily, mostly through hard work, I got some breaks in life) and I sincerely hope there is sustained change in many ways to quickly build more opportunity for all Thais and therefore a much improved quality of life, better overall sharing of the wealth for all Thais, and equal justice.

But what I can never agree with is that thaksin or his red shirt leaders are a genuine structured force for focused and sustainable change.

The read shirt leaders are nothing more than a group of murky thugs trying to create a smokescreen (and not a very good one) over gaining a pardon for a convicted criminal who should be before the courts in the Hague for massive human rights abuses) and getting the 2006 constitution reinstated so that the corrupt politicians can easily buy votes and keep their sticky fingers into more budgets money.

I ask the following question: "When, where have any of the red shirt leaders (and thaksin for that matter) ever given a speech, a presentation, handed out detailed informative literature, taken part in a serious debate, about democracy; what is looks like, what is feels like, the benefits, the process, the pillars and especially the pillars which must be protetced at all costs?'

Edited April 21, 2010 by scorecard

[kentucky]

The PM listened and offered elections in 9 months from Now which was very fair. If the minority red shirt protestors had just accepted it. It would have been over last month.

But NO that was not good enough they must have elections within days. Well that's not quite how it works in politics and the agreement for elections in 9 months was fair.

Got to the live ammunition stage now. Well "Som Num Na"

You missed out the fact that the coalition parties have asked for elections in 6 months.

You also missed out the fact that the Democrat party are facing very serious corruption charges and the EC have called for their dissolution. The Democrat party spokesman said in a television interview that the Democrats would fight the charges. When asked how long that fight/appeal would take he said "9 months."

I believe both TRT and PPP took over a year.

You believe wrongly.

With so much information, dates can easily get fuzzy, so I always think its worth checking if in doubt.

Looked up to find that it was over a year from when TRT actually committed the electoral fraud that got them dissolved (TRT dissolved May 2007 based on April 2006 election) and just under a year when PPP actually committed the electoral fraud that got them dissolved (PPP dissolved November 2008 based on December 2007 election).

However, the actual court processing time was less than that. TRT from charging to conviction took 7 months (Nov 2006 to May 2007). PPP took 3 months (Oct 2008 to Dec 2008). Everyone is encouraged to double-check these for accuracy.

The two dissolution cases were for different reasons and thus took varying times to process. With the Democrat party situation, it's for yet another different reason and it stands to reason yet another variance in time to process. With its multiple complexities, it could take at least as long as TRT (7 months) or even longer (over a year).

For more on this topic, I notice there is a specific thread for it.

Thanks for making me look it up. I sincerely appreciate the urging to verify specifics.

[kentucky]

"We are open to talks to end the crisis, but not with the government," one of the "red shirt" leaders, Jaran Ditapichai, told Reuters in an interview.

Who is he? Never heard of him before

OK I have googhim, earlier The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) commissioner, now red leader. Sorry it was the first time I heard about him in this mess.

Further googling will reveal that Jaran Ditapichai was expelled as a member of the National Human Rights Commission for his role in the violent July 22, 2007 riot in front of Prem's house that resulted in hundreds of injuries.

He became a criminal litigant for those actions along with other red shirt leaders (and which, AFAIK, these charges after nearly 3 years are still not resolved).

For his riot co-leader status, he was impeached by a vote of 156 to 1, with 3 abstaining.

Human Rights Commission member and Riot Leader. Nice mix.

For TheOldWolf, there's not a lot of photos of Jaran out there compared to the other leaders, but here he is on the far right along with his fellow red shirt leaders (back when they were white shirts) - Weng, Jakrapob, Nuttawut, and Jaran.

*click on the photo to enlarge*

July 23, 2007

Amazingly, they were speaking at a press briefing to condemn the police suppression of the group’s riot in front of Prem's house. A riot in which 200 policemen were injured by the red shirts/white shirts, which were being led by... a member of the Human Rights Commission.

Edited April 21, 2010 by kentucky

[dobadoy]

I ask the following question: "When, where have any of the red shirt leaders (and thaksin for that matter) ever given a speech, a presentation, handed out detailed informative literature, taken part in a serious debate, about democracy; what is looks like, what is feels like, the benefits, the process, the pillars and especially the pillars which must be protetced at all costs?'

Thanks scorecard for articulating a key point in the whole red shirt debacle. Good stuff.

[kissdani]

What was it that Oak was reported to have screamed at people up here in a bar in Chiang Mai a couple of years ago? ...............................

missed that one... care to explain?

I can say, honestly (no games, no ploy), I have never heard of it - he makes it sound like it's a daily event

Do you really live in Chiang Mai? I can't help wondering. Yesterday i read one of your posts when you said that you had never heard about what Oak (Thaksin's son) had said in a local nightclub. It was such big news at the time, i find it amazing that you managed to miss it.

"such big news at the time"???

Can't blame ChiangMaiFun for not knowing it. Sounds like typical yellow press journalism. A gossip story, such 'news' don't reach all people. The Sun readers will have different topics of conversation than readers ofThe Times irrespective of whether they might vote for the same political party or not.

So what was it actually what Thaksin son had said/screamed at people in a Chiang Mai bar/nightclub a couple of years ago? How relevant and important to know is it? Care to explain?

[SpoliaOpima]

There might be an easy way out of this mess for the Reds:

Step 1. Jatuporn and his fellow MP's from PT finally start to do their real job (that will be the hardest part..) and call for a censure debate.

Step 2. They win the censure debate (should be easy since they claim to have the backing of a vast majority of Thais or any number that Dr. Weng says. Furthermore, the current government is supposedly the most evil ever). Before the censure debate they can choose the new PM or more likely, let Thaksin choose him.

Step 3. Their first act as a new government will be to dissolve the house and have new elections for Parliament (that's the only thing they want isn't it???)

If it is so easy why doesn't this happen???????????

That's not what the real agenda of the Red movement is. They need to have the House dissolved before current cases against Thaksin are decided, so that they can grant him (and themselves) amnesty.

Otherwise, yes obviously, they would wait till the next electoral cycle or accept the Abhisit gov't's offer of early elections. There is no other reason for their haste and, more importantly, for all the blood shed so far and the gross national product lost.

Edited April 21, 2010 by SpoliaOpima

[SurinLA]

This may not relate to the topic but I would like to share some information I have interacted with.

My niece works as a housekeeper at one of Bangkok condo near LamSali intersection in Bangkapi. She told me that she signed up to be a member of UDD with one of the REDS recruiter. She paid $20bath membership fee and now has a membership card. She said the UDD recruiter told her that if the RED wins the battle with the government, all UDD members will recieve 250,000 baht cash, free healthcare for life, and 1 computer set. I asked her who would give all the promisses. She said the recruiter did not tell her anything more than that.

[mommysboy]

Do a search on "Chiang Mai gay parade".

There was a demo by crazy red protestors (who I don't agree with) - no beatings - no killings - I live here and trust me it was blown out of all proportion. To say in a blanket way 'reds in CM kill and beat farmers and gays' is just NOT TRUE - to say there are some nutcases who hold views against gays is CORRECT - they are everywhere not just here - Please try and be FAIR.

funny, a lot of posters live in cm - & rare are the ones who agree with your perception.

i live in red rural country-side. as i've stated again & again i understand their grievances. but, to your surprise, i _see_ abhisit government actually implementing policies to ease these grievances.

anyhow, "chiang mai rak 51" is a group of thugs.

first you state: "no, no-one ever killed". posters give you a link. you just ignore.

i want get into it: do your own research, plenty of material available online.

one last thing: day abhisit came to cm, last year, to announce gov policy & investment plans for "rose of the north"... there had been a guy, a well-known radio moderator, who incited people. he was arrested at airport with a gun in his car. never heard about that, right?

later that day, there were scuffles at convention center. red shirts trying to break through security lines.

later that day, during night time, riots occured when red shirts attacked police station.

etc etc etc

i forgot: you ever heard of the "don't buy yellow" campaign? intimidation of shop-owners? etc etc etc

-

funny, _you_ ask for "fairness" ;-)

Thanks commons - glad to see the reality of red shirt intimidation being brought to light. Many on this forum who support reds either don't know it or for some blind reason want to pretend it doesn't exist.

Thans also for pointing out that Abhisit has been trying to implement policies for the less well-off, including the oft un-mentioned fact that he has increased free-schooling for the entire curriculum up to M6.

Also, for you 'reds are peaceloving protesters' bunch, note the title of the other thread going on here 'Reds rule out talks' - what exactly are they doing to reach a compromise? I see compromise on the part of the gov't to the point of weakness, and then you call them 'murderers'. I don't know what drive such blind stupidity.

I'm neither red nor yellow, or whatever, but I can see the legitimacy of what the reds are doing, and if I might say how come people like you are so blind to the vagueries of the yellow, Govt, and army, and so blase about a staus quo that beats down on the poor and denies democracy.

I guess some will call them thugs others freedom fighters.

[elcent]

This may not relate to the topic but I would like to share some information I have interacted with.

My niece works as a housekeeper at one of Bangkok condo near LamSali intersection in Bangkapi. She told me that she signed up to be a member of UDD with one of the REDS recruiter. She paid $20bath membership fee and now has a membership card. She said the UDD recruiter told her that if the RED wins the battle with the government, all UDD members will recieve 250,000 baht cash, free healthcare for life, and 1 computer set. I asked her who would give all the promisses. She said the recruiter did not tell her anything more than that.

so they're in for looting Bangkok? Is it this why they chosen the commercial centers as target?

these people getting dumber and dumber by the day.

heat-stroke?

[traderjm]

I'm neither red nor yellow, or whatever, but I can see the legitimacy of what the reds are doing, and if I might say how come people like you are so blind to the vagueries of the yellow, Govt, and army, and so blase about a staus quo that beats down on the poor and denies democracy.

I guess some will call them thugs others freedom fighters.

So what is it the REDS are doing? The RED leaders don't seem to have an agenda as they have not stated one anywhere. Please explain what they are doing? Fighting for democracy? You mean the democracy that has let them take a city hostage for over a month?

You know if ONE single RED "leader" (the term leader used very very loosely) at least pretended there was some sort of actual political agenda OTHER than bringing back the "dear leader" and listed off a group of actual suggestions/ideals etc.. people might think they had a cause worth fighting for.

Sadly the average RED on the street has no idea what this "democracy" thing is you are talking about or where to find it. Sad but true

[elcent]

veen_NT: RT @jin_nation: (translating) Two injured persons are tourists who got hit by stray sling shot. via NNA news

Thu Apr 22 2010 01:23:46 GMT+0700 (SE Asia Standard Time)

[traderjm]

Propaganda material snipped

Very very funny stuff... maybe you should the video of all the peaceful things they've done while fighting for democracy... or is only one side of that coin allowed to be seen?

[cheguevara]

veen_NT: RT @jin_nation: (translating) Two injured persons are tourists who got hit by stray sling shot. via NNA news

Thu Apr 22 2010 01:23:46 GMT+0700 (SE Asia Standard Time)

According to The Nation article, they were hit by pink shirts:

At 11:30 pm Wednesday, about 100 residents of Silom, Klong Toey and Thanon Tok areas threw things at red-shirt protesters.

About 100 people from the three neighbourhoods gathered on the Silom Road near the Dusit Thani Hotel and exchanged abusive words with the red-shirt protesters at 11pm.

About half an hour later, they threw beer bottles, glasses and other things at the red-shirt protesters as well as firing slingshots at them.

[mommysboy]

I'm neither red nor yellow, or whatever, but I can see the legitimacy of what the reds are doing, and if I might say how come people like you are so blind to the vagueries of the yellow, Govt, and army, and so blase about a staus quo that beats down on the poor and denies democracy.

I guess some will call them thugs others freedom fighters.

So what is it the REDS are doing? The RED leaders don't seem to have an agenda as they have not stated one anywhere. Please explain what they are doing? Fighting for democracy? You mean the democracy that has let them take a city hostage for over a month?

You know if ONE single RED "leader" (the term leader used very very loosely) at least pretended there was some sort of actual political agenda OTHER than bringing back the "dear leader" and listed off a group of actual suggestions/ideals etc.. people might think they had a cause worth fighting for.

Sadly the average RED on the street has no idea what this "democracy" thing is you are talking about or where to find it. Sad but true

Well to my mind they are not terrorists and they want free elections, elections that their parties seem to win again and again. What other agends is needed, and how can anyone question their mandate? As to what they do? Well what else can be done?

Again I am not against the Democrats, (although I must admit I can't stand those PAD nazis) but it appears to me we have an unelected government with no mandate, that's done nothing of any good ,and seems to be at the whim of the military?

[jayjay0]

I don't even know who Oak is... sorry... I am not interested in Thaksin and hope he never returns here and I have no idea about his family

Sympathising / supporting the red shirts means you are sympathising / supporting the movement. The movement's aim, if not the aim of all its followers, is to assist Thaksin in white-washing him of crimes and allowing him to return without punishment. If you are going to go on sympathising / supporting the reds, you really should be interested in Thaksin because he is fundamental to it all.

I hear a lot of talk about Thaksin taking over if the reds win there argument. How do you think he will be able to do that if they have a election and the people get to choose who they want. What if the PAD wins? even if they get into the seat of power do you really think Thaksin will be able to come back and take over.

It would be nice if some of the posters here would keep there biased views to them selves it serves no purpose other than to amuse them selves. I would suggest they go in the other room and they can do it by themselves and get more enjoyment out of it. Bottom line is both sides are in the wrong and neither side is going to own up to there wrongs long run Thailand gets hurt.

How about they arrest the red shirt leaders and give them the same treatment they gave the yellow shirt leaders at least we would be able to say the government was being fair.

[traderjm]

Well to my mind they are not terrorists and they want free elections, elections that their parties seem to win again and again. What other agends is needed, and how can anyone question their mandate? As to what they do? Well what else can be done?

Again I am not against the Democrats, (although I must admit I can't stand those PAD nazis) but it appears to me we have an unelected government with no mandate, that's done nothing of any good ,and seems to be at the whim of the military?

Do you live in Thailand? Seriously.. there are no such thing as 100% free elections here haven't been for some time. But the REDS are just as much to blame for that as anyone else. I wonder in their quest for free elections are they willing to allow NON-RED candidates to freely canvas in their areas? They never have in the past so will that change?

Do their parties win again and again? You need to brush up on your Thai history and perhaps if you do live here need to spend a little more time learning from sources OTHER than TV.

You do NOT have an unelected gov't and if you are calling this one that, then the previous two RED gov't were unelected as well, odd how they did not protest those two.

If you honestly believe that the DEMS have done NOTHING of any good then you really can't live here or you are in a cave somewhere. Take off the blinders stop spouting the same rhetoric over and over and learn the facts, NOT from TV or the mainstream media...

[traderjm]

How about they arrest the red shirt leaders and give them the same treatment they gave the yellow shirt leaders at least we would be able to say the government was being fair.

Same old red herring... perhaps if the RED leaders turned themselves in like the PAD leaders did we might see if they are treated the same.... by a different gov't of course... but you knew that right?

[monkfish]

Here is some more Proaganda for ya

THAILAND: Censorship and policing public morality in a state of emergency

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

AHRC-STM-058-2010

April 9, 2010

A Statement by the Asian Human Rights Commission

THAILAND: Censorship and policing public morality in a state of emergency

The Asian Human Rights Commission joins other concerned groups and individuals around the world to condemn the blocking in Thailand of 36 websites. The websites were blocked under a state of emergency that the unelected Prime Minister, Abhisit Vejjajiva, declared on 7 April 2010 in response to continued protests in Bangkok. Most of the 36 are sites belonging to or closely aligned with the anti-government protestors; however, the list includes the independent news and commentary sites Prachatai (no. 8) and Fah Diew Kan and its affiliate (no. 34, 35). At time of writing, some of these sites are partly or fully reoperating, or are operating on mirror sites. Some can be accessed outside Thailand, but not in the country.

The AHRC calls for the unqualified lifting of restrictions on all these addresses without delay, and guarantees that there will be no further censorship of these or other sites.

But the blocking of these Internet addresses is merely one highly visible manifestation of a much more sinister program that comes with the state of emergency in Thailand, about which the AHRC is gravely concerned. A reading of the order for their shutdown reveals deeply anti-democratic and anti-human rights aspects of the government programme that require closer public scrutiny and much more open debate.

First, the order, signed by Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban, claims that the blocking of the websites was authorized under item 9(2) of the declaration of the state of emergency, which translated roughly reads as follows:

"It is prohibited to report or distribute information that may cause alarm among the public, such as in newspapers or other media or anything with intent to cause misunderstanding about the state of emergency which will damage state security or peace and order or public morality across the kingdom."

This typically nebulous provision permits the authorities in Thailand to take any steps they like against any persons or associations on any pretext associated with the declaration of emergency. The websites were targeted only because the Internet is a part of the public domain that the authorities have great difficulty in keeping in check, unlike the broadcast media, most of which is under direct control, and the print media, which is largely complaisant. The targets of the state of emergency declaration, while including Internet sites, are by no means limited to it.

Second, the order is signed under the letterhead of the Centre for the Administration of Peace and Order, which up until a few weeks ago was a hitherto little-known agency. From what the AHRC can ascertain, the CAPO was established in 2009 under section 16 of the Internal Security Act, which reads in translation that,

"In the event of a need to overcome problems affecting internal security in any area, the Director [of the Internal Security Operations Command] with the approval of the Board shall have the power to establish one or more special operations centres. The structure, staffing, administration, duties, control and coordination or command of operations centres... shall be as determined by the Director with the approval of the Board..."

Strangely, the contents of the CAPO's website provide no immediately obvious details on its structure, staffing, administration, duties, control and coordination or command. It appears to be based at an army regiment and comprise mainly of army officers, while an announcement from last year indicates in only the most general terms that it includes both military and combined civilian-military-police units, about which nothing is explained.

Given that this agency is at the forefront of counter-protest actions and is issuing orders for the closure of websites, it is particularly ironic that there is little clear information available about its existence and workings. The Asian Human Rights Commission therefore calls, in addition to its unreserved demand for the cessation of censorship in Thailand and for the ending of the state of emergency at the earliest possible time, for intense public pressure from inside the country and abroad to clarify the functions, personnel and funding of the CAPO, and its precise role in the current state of emergency.

What is CAPO, why is it shutting down websites, and how is it qualified to police public morality?

# # #

About AHRC: The Asian Human Rights Commission is a regional non-governmental organisation monitoring and lobbying human rights issues in Asia. The Hong Kong-based group was founded in 1984.

Posted on 2010-04-09

Back to [AHRC Statements 2010]

http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile....tatements/2498/

Edited April 21, 2010 by monkfish

[traderjm]

The Abhisit government just decided in parliament against a fact finding commission on the April 10 slaughters. Care to explain why?

You clearly have YOUR finger on the pulse, why not tell us all why? I am sure you have some very cool black ops like reasons

[cheguevara]

No, just wondering why the Abhisit government doesn't want clashes investigated that have killed 25 people and injured some 800. The red shirts called for an independent investigation and the Abhisit government declined it. Why? If the red shirts are responsible for the deaths as the Abhisit government has claimed for days now ...why not allow an independent investigation to verify it?

[elcent]

tukky_nt: The Nation front page, April 22:http://bit.ly/atK58I

Thu Apr 22 2010 01:33:50 GMT+0700 (SE Asia Standard Time)

tukky_nt: RT @veen_NT: Photo of one of injured persons. this guy got hit on left ear. http://bit.ly/ayn9CP #fb (now a real good night)

Thu Apr 22 2010 01:33:08 GMT+0700 (SE Asia Standard Time)

[elcent]

veen_NT

Recap: Thai PBS showed #redshirts light home-made rockets (bung-fai) and threw at Silom group. Meanwhile, police were away. #ffb

[whiterussian]

Maybe the rabid right wingers on TV have made us farang a target..

or the journalist at the scene kicking up a fuss about armbands and whatnot.

I do agree that Mr A should now call it a day, maybe hand over to the military for the next year and await elections.

It seems like neither the cops or army are functioning.

Or they lay seige and let the reds walk out at their own pace, no hard feelings and all that... but <deleted> as another poster said... how did the deliveries of tires get there...

bangkok is in limbo, no mans land it seems.

no place for women and kids now... but i suspect the gang inside at night are all lads.. and probably well paid (or motivated) to hold the fort.

Wish they would build a fort at the next London riots... nobody has had one over on the UK cops for decades!

Edited April 21, 2010 by whiterussian

[traderjm]

No, just wondering why the Abhisit government doesn't want clashes investigated that have killed 25 people and injured some 800. The red shirts called for an independent investigation and the Abhisit government declined it. Why? If the red shirts are responsible for the deaths as the Abhisit government has claimed for days now ...why not allow an independent investigation to verify it?

You need to once again research your facts as that is NOT what happened.. come on big fella I know you can do it. Go find out the truth and come back and post it here instead of just always trying to stir the pot...

Just this one time provide sources for your ramblings and post the ENTIRE story not only the side that amuses you as continue to try and make TV completely unusable as a source of information (not that, that is all that hard but you get the point, I assume)

[Sadako_Sasaki]

Can hear helicopters and ?shooting? Anyone else? Am near Wireless...

[elcent]

Can hear helicopters and ?shooting? Anyone else? Am near Wireless...

possible, any more info? If it would be during the day it could be a funeral at a nearby temple, but not at this time.

[rametindallas]

Given the MP's which previously supported the redz jumped ship to the Demz side garnering them a majority of MP's in the Lower House, and thereby the mandate to form and run the government; I guess it's "cry foul", "the people didn't get to vote for PM", "it's not fair" or "insert your lame argument here".

Firstly, the tone of your response amounts to little more than childish mocking, as if that somehow makes your argument in any way more valid.

Then, in a long and rambling way, you are saying that you agree with a bunch of corrupt generals kicking out a government that was elected, and replacing it with one that wasn't.

Then, you go on to deny the fact that the reds may actually have a majority, as was proven in two successive elections. Why are you people so afraid to put it to the test - hold an election and then respect the wishes of the people by allowing the people they elect to rule.

If Abhisit is so popular like you seem to think that he is, then what is he afraid of? He can get elected, keep his job, and confound teh reds argument that his position is illegitimate.

What part of elected don't you understand? All the MPs were elected.

After the election, MPs from smaller supported the PPP, which put them into government.

Later, these MPs supported the Democrats, which put them into government.

No difference. Just a change in support. No elections required.

It could have happened straight after the election, but it took a bit longer for the MPs from smaller parties to decide that what the PPP/PTP were doing didn't suit them.

Abhisit currently has the support of the majority of elected MPs.

So he doesn't need to prove anything. Certainly not to a *minority* group of protestors.

He just needs to govern the country until elections are due in Dec 2011, or until the smaller parties decide not to support him.

Every time you post you come out with the same load of drivel and silly little word games.

OK let's do it again. Yes, all the MPs were elected and the Goverment was a Phuea Thai Goverment. However, it didn't take a little time for the smaller parties to decide that PTP didn't suit them it took until the Elite/Military, with Abhisit's full knowledge and approval, bought 40 Phue Thai MPs who were part of a faction controlled by Newin Chidbob. These 40 MPs then promised to support Abhisit and later formed the Bhumjaithai Party. This might be OK as far as the moral standard of somebody who was educated at Eton and Oxford goes, or even your own moral standard, but it is not acceptable to the majority of the Thai electorate which is why Abhisit knows that he will lose the election. For a start the 40 Bhumjaithai MPs, who by the way are scared to visit their constituencies and face the electorate, haven't got a cat in hells chance of being re-elected. In the meantime, Bhumjaithai Party (the largest party in the coalition) has never stood in an election.

You have often talked about vote buying in your posts but you have always coyly avoided the above because you surely know buying those forty MPs and the millions of votes they represent is the biggest (and the only provable case of vote buying) in Thailand.

Abhisit was installed as PM - it's as plain and simple as that. The sooner the Democrats are dissolved the better.

And here I was thinking all along that it was P.M. Somchai's wife (Taksin's sister who was really running the show) that alienated those BJP MPs. If they are so easily bought, why didn't Dr. Taksin 'keep them happy'? If they are so ealily bought, why doesn't Dr. Taksin buy them back now? It sure would be cheaper and less messy than this astroturf movement he is financing now.

[elcent]

after home made light rockets were found it may lead to a serious crackdown, also in Chidlom area. this is usually the time to do it. It may stretch out to early morning hours.